**MOCK!** - Last of the season. Do we need another? (1 Viewer)

[Andy Dufresne]

LOOK AT ME!!!

Round 1

1. Indianapolis - Andrew Luck, QB - Stanford

Same as it ever was.

2. Washington - Robert Griffin III , QB - Baylor

Donovan McNabb is wrong.

3. Minnesota - Matt Kalil, OT - USC

If Spielman doesn't make this pick he should be fired.

4. Cleveland - Trent Richardson, RB - Alabama

I expect it'll be Miami here instead, but as-is I'll take The Show's word that McCoy is good enough for now.

5. Tampa Bay - Morris Claiborne, CB - LSU

Even though they signed was signed for a rather big contract, the opposite side of the cupboard is almost bare with suspensions and impending retirements.

6. St. Louis - Justin Blackmon, WR - OkSt.

No Jeff Fisher coached team has ever selected an OT in the first round, so Blackmon while not necessarily elite is good enough here.

7. Jacksonville - Michael Floyd, WR - Notre Dame

Bypassing Melvin Ingram, the Jags go into full blown "let's see what Gabbert's got" mode.

8. Miami - Ryan Tannehill, QB - Texas A&M

They liked him before his college coach was hired and Tannehill can learn from Moore for half a season before taking over.

9. Carolina - Michael Brockers, DT - LSU

With the two WRs off the board, they choose the upside of Brockers over the sure thing in Keuchly.

10. Buffalo - Riley Reiff, OT - Iowa

Having taken quite a bit of care of the defensive side of the ball, the "our 93 year old owner wants to win now" Bills take a guy that helps immediately.

11. Kansas City - Luke Kuechly, LB - Boston College

Paired with Johnson, Kuechly will help slow down the TE menace that currently ravages the AFC.

12. Seattle - Stephon Gilmore, CB - South Carolina

He's a fast riser and the Seahawks need something to replace the aging Marcus Trufant.

13. NY Jets (trade with Arizona) - Melvin Ingram, DE - South Carolina

Jets trade up to get a guy they reportedly covet and who fills a big need since they only resigned Maybin for peanuts.

14. Dallas - Mark Barron, S - Alabama

I think they'd take Ingram if they weren't leapfrogged, but I believe the smoke/fire of Barron to the 'Boys.

15. Philadelphia - Fletcher Cox, DT - Mississippi State

They're hot on his trail, but I think he could go even higer than this - potentially even to Tampa.

16. Arizona (trade with NYJ) - Cordy Glenn, OT/OG - Georgia

They like their big maulers and the re-signed Levi Brown will be moved to the right side.

17. Cincinnati - Dre Kirkpatrick, CB - Alabama

Amazing to me how quickly a position of strength turned need, and fortunately Dre is available to them.

18. San Diego - Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB - Illinois

I'm not comfortable that he goes this high, but he did lead the nation in sacks and the Chargers need more outside pressure.

19. Chicago - Courtney Upshaw, DE - Alabama

Because he fits better in the 4-3, he falls to this point and is a great bookend to Peppers.

20. Tennessee - Dontari Poe, DT - Memphis

One of the least decipherable teams in the draft could take a chance on the guy with ability but limited production.

21. Cincinnati - Kendall Wright, WR - Baylor

While a good player on his own, he makes last year's pick of Green even better, much moreso than taking a guard would.

22. Cleveland - David DeCastro, OG - Stanford

Fortunately, guards (no matter how good they are, and DeCastro is really good) they just don't/shouldn't go high in the draft - luckily for the Browns.

23. Detroit - Doug Martin, RB - Boise St.

With Best's recovery and LeShoure's legal problems looming, the Lions should take care of this position once and for all.

24. Pittsburgh - Jonathan Martin, OT - Stanford

I like Hightower better here, but no doubt they need some better talent on the o-line so they take a chance on the rough around the edges Martin.

25. Denver - Quinton Coples, DE - North Carolina

There's too much upside to pass on here and his versatility would make him at least a decent d-tackle, so he's worth the risk.

26. Houston - Dont'a Hightower, LB - Alabama

Can play both inside and outside and gives them a three down thumper.

27. New England - Shea McClellin, OLB - Boise St.

I've liked him in the 1st for about a month now and the Patriots should snipe him from the Packers who also covet him.

28. Green Bay - Chandler Jones, OLB - Syracuse

A decent plan "B" for the outside rushers spot, the Packers find their guy to play opposite Matthews.

29. Baltimore - Rueben Randle, WR - LSU

With Boldin getting up there in age and Torrey Smith still a bit of a question mark, Randle starts as a #2/#3 while posessing #1 potential.

30. San Francisco - Jerel Worthy, DT - Michigan St.

Big body could play any of the front 3 positions.

31. New England - Devon Still, DT - Penn St.

Patriots love their first round defensive tackles.

32. New York Giants - Mike Adams, OT - Ohio St.

Not the most polished prospect but fills an area of great need on a team that really doesn't have many.

Round 2

33. St. Louis - Bobby Massie OT Mississippi

34. Indianapolis - Coby Fleener, TE - Stanford

35. Minnesota - Harrison Smith, S - Notre Dame

36. Tampa Bay - David Wilson, RB - Virginia Tech

37. Cleveland - Andre Branch, DE - Clemson

38. Jacksonville - Nick Perry, DE - USC

39. St. Louis (from Washington) - Josh Robinson, CB - USF

40. Carolina - Alfonzo Dennard, CB - Nebraska

41. Buffalo - Stephen Hill, WR - Georgia Tech

42. Miami - Jared Crick, DE - Nebraska

43. Seattle - Bobby Wagner, OLB - Utah State

44. Kansas City - Peter Konz, C - Wisconsin

45. Dallas - Vinny Curry, DE - Marshall

46. Philadelphia - Bruce Irvin, OLB - West Virginia

47. NY Jets - Alshon Jeffery, WR - South Carolina

48. New England (from Oakland) - Trumaine Johnson, CB -Montana

49. San Diego - Amini Silatolu, OG - Midwestern State

50. Chicago - Chris Givens, WR - Wake Forest

51. Philadelphia (from Arizona) - Brandon Weeden, QB - OkSt

52. Tennessee - Jayron Hosley, CB - Virginia Tech

53. Cincinnati - Kevin Zeitler, OG - Wisconsin

54. Detroit - Casey Hayward, CB - Vanderbilt

55. Atlanta - Dwayne Allen, TE - Clemson

56. Pittsburgh - Janoris Jenkins, CB - North Alabama

57. Denver - Lamar Miller, RB - Miami

58. Houston - Mohamed Sanu, WR - Rutgers

59. New Orleans

60. Green Bay - Brandon Thompson, DT - Clemson

61. Baltimore - Ben Jones, C - Georgia

62. San Francisco - Brandon Brooks, OG - Miami (Ohio)

63. New England - Brandon Boykin, CB- Georgia

64. New York Giants - Bernard Pierce, RB - Temple

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Looks fine so far.

I like what you're telling me. I'd like to hear more.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Looks fine so far. I like what you're telling me. I'd like to hear more.

Okay. But I guess this conversation will be between you and I. :mockedtodeath:

 

[pantherclub]

That might be a reach for Brockers. This is why I think the Panthers either take Floyd or trade down.

 

[Danish Bengal]

You forgot DeCastro, right?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

That might be a reach for Brockers. This is why I think the Panthers either take Floyd or trade down.

They can't take Floyd here. If you want to swap Cox and Brockers here, I'd be okay with it. I'd just read in more than one place that they liked Brockers.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You forgot DeCastro, right?

We're only through 20. But he doesn't go to the Bengals.

 

[Danish Bengal]

You forgot DeCastro, right?

We're only through 20. But he doesn't go to the Bengals.

Oh, OK. If you say so. Carry on

 

[Andy Dufresne]

21-32 are up.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Admittedly I haven't paid much attention since baseball started, but WhoTF is this?

28. Green Bay - Chandler Jones A decent plan "B" for the outside rushers spot, the Packers find their guy to play opposite Matthews.

 

[Bankerguy]

Thanks for the mock....not a fan of the Dallas pick.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Admittedly I haven't paid much attention since baseball started, but WhoTF is this?

28. Green Bay - Chandler Jones A decent plan "B" for the outside rushers spot, the Packers find their guy to play opposite Matthews.

Mayock: Chandler Jones is a mid-first round pick.More

Thanks for the mock....not a fan of the Dallas pick.

Don't blame me. You're the one with the team with the loco owner.

 

[Crippler]

Does Detroit really need that good of a RB that they have to take another high one. 3 years in a row to have another one end up injured. Can they not wait and grab a Pead or Pierce in the 3rd instead. This is a pass first O right now and all about Calvin anyways. Get some D help.

I love all teams being able to trade down and get more picks. This is one deep draft.

 

[Bankerguy]

Admittedly I haven't paid much attention since baseball started, but WhoTF is this?

28. Green Bay - Chandler Jones A decent plan "B" for the outside rushers spot, the Packers find their guy to play opposite Matthews.

Mayock: Chandler Jones is a mid-first round pick.

Thanks for the mock....not a fan of the Dallas pick.

Don't blame me. You're the one with the team with the loco owner.

Ha! He already made the same mistake by drafting an "in the box" safety with limited coverage skills early one other time.Roy Williams ring a bell?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Does Detroit really need that good of a RB that they have to take another high one. 3 years in a row to have another one end up injured. Can they not wait and grab a Pead or Pierce in the 3rd instead. This is a pass first O right now and all about Calvin anyways. Get some D help.

I love all teams being able to trade down and get more picks. This is one deep draft.

Yes. Even though RBs are diminished, they're not unimportant. And it's because Martin can pass protect AND run well that he'll be coveted in the first round.And trading down involves someone trading up. It's too hard to not get super wonky and silly projecting trades in the later part of the 1st round.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Admittedly I haven't paid much attention since baseball started, but WhoTF is this?

28. Green Bay - Chandler Jones A decent plan "B" for the outside rushers spot, the Packers find their guy to play opposite Matthews.

Mayock: Chandler Jones is a mid-first round pick.More

Doesn't Jason Pierre Paul play DE in the Giants' 4-3? Why compare the 2 if Jones is going to be a 3-4 OLB?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Admittedly I haven't paid much attention since baseball started, but WhoTF is this?

28. Green Bay - Chandler Jones A decent plan "B" for the outside rushers spot, the Packers find their guy to play opposite Matthews.

Mayock: Chandler Jones is a mid-first round pick.More

Doesn't Jason Pierre Paul play DE in the Giants' 4-3? Why compare the 2 if Jones is going to be a 3-4 OLB?

Yes, but JPP could probably play 3-4 OLB. Jones has met with teams that run both the 4-3 and 3-4, including the Packers.

Now the question is whether they have him gain weight to play DE or keep it off and play OLB. Regardless, the Packers could use either.

 

[ImTheScientist]

12. Seattle - Stephon Gilmore, CB - South CarolinaHe's a fast riser and the Seahawks need something to replace the aging Marcus Trufant.

1) Marcus Trufant is on the roster2) They have 2 starters.....seems high to draft a CB when you have 2 starters you really like3) DE, LBer, G, or WR is where they will go and it will likely be Coples, Kuechly, DeCastro, Floyd, or trade down.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

12. Seattle - Stephon Gilmore, CB - South CarolinaHe's a fast riser and the Seahawks need something to replace the aging Marcus Trufant.

1) Marcus Trufant is on the roster2) They have 2 starters.....seems high to draft a CB when you have 2 starters you really like3) DE, LBer, G, or WR is where they will go and it will likely be Coples, Kuechly, DeCastro, Floyd, or trade down.

Trufant is 31, was released and brought back, and is an injury risk. In today's NFL you need three starter caliber CBs.Kuechly and Floyd are off the board in this scenario.Coples is too inconsistent to go 12th and guards don't belong that high either.

 

[ImTheScientist]

12. Seattle - Stephon Gilmore, CB - South CarolinaHe's a fast riser and the Seahawks need something to replace the aging Marcus Trufant.

1) Marcus Trufant is on the roster2) They have 2 starters.....seems high to draft a CB when you have 2 starters you really like3) DE, LBer, G, or WR is where they will go and it will likely be Coples, Kuechly, DeCastro, Floyd, or trade down.

Trufant is 31, was released and brought back, and is an injury risk. In today's NFL you need three starter caliber CBs.Kuechly and Floyd are off the board in this scenario.Coples is too inconsistent to go 12th and guards don't belong that high either.

Anyone can be right but the talk for the last 3 months locally has been DE, LB, WR, G with those players listed. What the hawks value at CB most teams avoid so they can grab the guy for their system much later. Gilmore is too small for what they are looking to do imo. Your mock is the only mock in the history of 2012 mocks I see Gilmore to the Hawks....just sayin.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

12. Seattle - Stephon Gilmore, CB - South CarolinaHe's a fast riser and the Seahawks need something to replace the aging Marcus Trufant.

1) Marcus Trufant is on the roster2) They have 2 starters.....seems high to draft a CB when you have 2 starters you really like3) DE, LBer, G, or WR is where they will go and it will likely be Coples, Kuechly, DeCastro, Floyd, or trade down.

Trufant is 31, was released and brought back, and is an injury risk. In today's NFL you need three starter caliber CBs.Kuechly and Floyd are off the board in this scenario.Coples is too inconsistent to go 12th and guards don't belong that high either.

Anyone can be right but the talk for the last 3 months locally has been DE, LB, WR, G with those players listed. What the hawks value at CB most teams avoid so they can grab the guy for their system much later. Gilmore is too small for what they are looking to do imo. Your mock is the only mock in the history of 2012 mocks I see Gilmore to the Hawks....just sayin.

Gilmore is two inches taller than Trufant. So I'm not sure what you mean by him being too small. I'm not sure what DE fits at 12 for them.What's the fun in doing what everyone else does?

 

[cstu]

18. San Diego - Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB - IllinoisI'm not comfortable that he goes this high, but he did lead the nation in sacks and the Chargers need more outside pressure.

I'm torn, on one hand his name is Whitney but on the other he is Merciless. But seriously, he looks good and the only real - and it is real - problem is that last season may have been a fluke.Even though I'm not big on guards early, I'd love DeCastro if he's there.

 

[voiceofunreason]

I like Floyd to Jacksonville. Although the gm seems quite worried about avoiding idiots. It's good fit for the team though. Laurent Robinson has mistake written all over him. They can get a qb next year.

 

[Wadsworth]

I like Floyd to Jacksonville. Although the gm seems quite worried about avoiding idiots. It's good fit for the team though. Laurent Robinson has mistake written all over him. They can get a qb next year.

Quite. I can understand mocking Floyd to Jax if you are saying what they should do, but if you are trying to predict what they will do Floyd makes very little sense.

 

[Incogneto]

12. Seattle - Stephon Gilmore, CB - South CarolinaHe's a fast riser and the Seahawks need something to replace the aging Marcus Trufant.

1) Marcus Trufant is on the roster2) They have 2 starters.....seems high to draft a CB when you have 2 starters you really like3) DE, LBer, G, or WR is where they will go and it will likely be Coples, Kuechly, DeCastro, Floyd, or trade down.

Trufant is 31, was released and brought back, and is an injury risk. In today's NFL you need three starter caliber CBs.Kuechly and Floyd are off the board in this scenario.Coples is too inconsistent to go 12th and guards don't belong that high either.

Anyone can be right but the talk for the last 3 months locally has been DE, LB, WR, G with those players listed. What the hawks value at CB most teams avoid so they can grab the guy for their system much later. Gilmore is too small for what they are looking to do imo. Your mock is the only mock in the history of 2012 mocks I see Gilmore to the Hawks....just sayin.

Gilmore is two inches taller than Trufant. So I'm not sure what you mean by him being too small. I'm not sure what DE fits at 12 for them.What's the fun in doing what everyone else does?

I hate to say this, but I am actually with sci here. But a different player. In this situation, I would be very upset if the Seahawks passed on Melvin Ingram. Hes's a great fit for the elephant role, something Carroll covets. Thoughts?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I like Floyd to Jacksonville. Although the gm seems quite worried about avoiding idiots. It's good fit for the team though. Laurent Robinson has mistake written all over him. They can get a qb next year.

Quite. I can understand mocking Floyd to Jax if you are saying what they should do, but if you are trying to predict what they will do Floyd makes very little sense.

Valid point and I hadn't thought about the character issues. But as far as that goes, they're not the most egregious in history and if they're comfortable that he has indeed left them behind, as he seemed to show this past year, then I don't think it would really be a determining factor.And as you can see from my 2nd round, I do have them grabbing a DE that slipped into the 2nd round...which has a very good chance of happening.

I hate to say this, but I am actually with sci here. But a different player. In this situation, I would be very upset if the Seahawks passed on Melvin Ingram. Hes's a great fit for the elephant role, something Carroll covets. Thoughts?

Valid criticisms from both you and ITS. You're both probably right that I whiffed on this one. Here's the thing about Ingram. I think I was the first guy to have him in the top 10 in a mock. I even batted around the idea of having the Browns take him since he could do just what you say - move around the line quite a bit. So I like him.

But the problem is that while he's a great all around DE/OLB he isn't exactly an elite one. In fact, there really aren't any elite 4-3 pass rushing DE's in this draft. Is he that much of a pass rushing upgrade from Chris Clemons? I guess I don't really know. I do, however, think that Gilmore would be a starter and would probably be their #1 corner in short order leaving Browner and Sherman as the 2/3 and then the team has one of, if not the best young defensive backfield in the game.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Gilmore is two inches taller than Trufant. So I'm not sure what you mean by him being too small.

I'm not sure what DE fits at 12 for them.

What's the fun in doing what everyone else does?

They are looking to put big corners out on the field. Trufant inherited and not drafted by this group. They want 6'3" or 6'4" guys out there. I know its fun to be different....so if thats what you are going for then cudos to you...its just not accurate.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Gilmore is two inches taller than Trufant. So I'm not sure what you mean by him being too small.

I'm not sure what DE fits at 12 for them.

What's the fun in doing what everyone else does?

They are looking to put big corners out on the field. Trufant inherited and not drafted by this group. They want 6'3" or 6'4" guys out there. I know its fun to be different....so if thats what you are going for then cudos to you...its just not accurate.

That's absurd though. There very, very few corners that are that tall. If they hold out for guys that size, they're going to be quite thin at the position. In fact there's not one single guy over 6'2" in this draft.So, outside that, what are you hearing? I had Coples there for the longest time, but I'm not sure they'd love him with the questions of work ethic. Or would they roll the dice on a guy like that?

 

[Wadsworth]

I like Floyd to Jacksonville. Although the gm seems quite worried about avoiding idiots. It's good fit for the team though. Laurent Robinson has mistake written all over him. They can get a qb next year.

Quite. I can understand mocking Floyd to Jax if you are saying what they should do, but if you are trying to predict what they will do Floyd makes very little sense.

Valid point and I hadn't thought about the character issues. But as far as that goes, they're not the most egregious in history and if they're comfortable that he has indeed left them behind, as he seemed to show this past year, then I don't think it would really be a determining factor.And as you can see from my 2nd round, I do have them grabbing a DE that slipped into the 2nd round...which has a very good chance of happening.

Gene Smith has been GM for three drafts now and has not drafted a player yet in any round with off field issues even close to the level of Floyd. It might not be a determining factor to most GMs, but based on his history it likely is for Clean Gene Smith. I think WR/DE or DE/WR is the right track to be on for the Jaguars, but if Floyd is even on the Jaguars board I strongly suspect he is well past the #7.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Gene Smith has been GM for three drafts now and has not drafted a player yet in any round with off field issues even close to the level of Floyd. It might not be a determining factor to most GMs, but based on his history it likely is for Clean Gene Smith. I think WR/DE or DE/WR is the right track to be on for the Jaguars, but if Floyd is even on the Jaguars board I strongly suspect he is well past the #7.

Fair enough. Let's just flip Gilmore and Floyd then.

 

[Wadsworth]

I hate to say this, but I am actually with sci here. But a different player. In this situation, I would be very upset if the Seahawks passed on Melvin Ingram. Hes's a great fit for the elephant role, something Carroll covets. Thoughts?

Valid criticisms from both you and ITS. You're both probably right that I whiffed on this one. Here's the thing about Ingram. I think I was the first guy to have him in the top 10 in a mock. I even batted around the idea of having the Browns take him since he could do just what you say - move around the line quite a bit. So I like him.

But the problem is that while he's a great all around DE/OLB he isn't exactly an elite one. In fact, there really aren't any elite 4-3 pass rushing DE's in this draft. Is he that much of a pass rushing upgrade from Chris Clemons? I guess I don't really know. I do, however, think that Gilmore would be a starter and would probably be their #1 corner in short order leaving Browner and Sherman as the 2/3 and then the team has one of, if not the best young defensive backfield in the game.

I actually think he is an elite prospect at 3-4 ILB, that also has the flexibility to play other positions depending on situation.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Here's the thing about Ingram. I think I was the first guy to have him in the top 10 in a mock. I even batted around the idea of having the Browns take him since he could do just what you say - move around the line quite a bit. So I like him.

But the problem is that while he's a great all around DE/OLB he isn't exactly an elite one. In fact, there really aren't any elite 4-3 pass rushing DE's in this draft. Is he that much of a pass rushing upgrade from Chris Clemons? I guess I don't really know. I do, however, think that Gilmore would be a starter and would probably be their #1 corner in short order leaving Browner and Sherman as the 2/3 and then the team has one of, if not the best young defensive backfield in the game.

I actually think he is an elite prospect at 3-4 ILB, that also has the flexibility to play other positions depending on situation.

I've read the opposite.But then again, at this point I've read both sides of practically everyone! It's unbelievable that no matter what player is in discussion for a team the opinions are almost never unanimous. I'm sure there are even people that have posted "I'll burn all my Colts gear if they select Andrew Luck".

 

[MG345]

12. Seattle - Stephon Gilmore, CB - South CarolinaHe's a fast riser and the Seahawks need something to replace the aging Marcus Trufant.

1) Marcus Trufant is on the roster2) They have 2 starters.....seems high to draft a CB when you have 2 starters you really like3) DE, LBer, G, or WR is where they will go and it will likely be Coples, Kuechly, DeCastro, Floyd, or trade down.

Trufant is 31, was released and brought back, and is an injury risk. In today's NFL you need three starter caliber CBs.Kuechly and Floyd are off the board in this scenario.Coples is too inconsistent to go 12th and guards don't belong that high either.

Anyone can be right but the talk for the last 3 months locally has been DE, LB, WR, G with those players listed. What the hawks value at CB most teams avoid so they can grab the guy for their system much later. Gilmore is too small for what they are looking to do imo. Your mock is the only mock in the history of 2012 mocks I see Gilmore to the Hawks....just sayin.

Gilmore is two inches taller than Trufant. So I'm not sure what you mean by him being too small. I'm not sure what DE fits at 12 for them.What's the fun in doing what everyone else does?

I hate to say this, but I am actually with sci here. But a different player. In this situation, I would be very upset if the Seahawks passed on Melvin Ingram. Hes's a great fit for the elephant role, something Carroll covets. Thoughts?

Agree with both Incognito and Scientist, there is very little chance Hawks go for a CB. I think both Browner and Sherman are set as the starters, with Trufant coming back for the nickel role (which will probably be battle with WT3 once he is healthy). And Scientists comments about the Hawks wanting big corners is a bit of a misstatement, they want guys who are big and fast yes, but not necessarily 6'3"+. It just happened that the big guys they had on the squad wound up starting for various reasons, and they played well. I think PC/JS would be happy with a guy in the 6'0" range if he played press well. Look at the DBs they have had in for visits, none of them are huge.There are lots of options here DE, LB, WR, and even QB as much as I don't like that pick. Ingram would be a decent pick here, and there is talk of them absolutely loving Upshaw.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

There are lots of options here DE, LB, WR, and even QB as much as I don't like that pick. Ingram would be a decent pick here, and there is talk of them absolutely loving Upshaw.

I did the Seahawks pick in the board's mock draft and took Upshaw...and got blown up by another Seahawks fan saying that he's nowhere near the guy they're looking for (See previous post). So I can't win with you guys! As far as the options in THIS mock, the next available WR for them to take would have been Kendall Wright or Rueben Randle. I doubt they'd take either of them. The top 3 QBs were off the board as was Kuechly, so neither of those positions were an option. So it came down to DE or CB in my mind and I went with what I think is the superior prospect.

 

[cheese]

You forgot DeCastro, right?

We're only through 20. But he doesn't go to the Bengals.

Are you saying they pass twice because you don't think he's that good or because you don't think interior line play blew a hole in their offense all year last year?It just makes too much sense at first glance for Cincy to go DeCastro. They're both awful and old at guard. The best one is usually picked in the 17-21 range (in recent history). They have 2 picks in that range.In general, I think you did a great job even though thats a nightmare scenerio for Cincy that all of Gilmore, Kuechly, and Barron go before 17 and they pass on OL.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

You forgot DeCastro, right?

We're only through 20. But he doesn't go to the Bengals.

Are you saying they pass twice because you don't think he's that good or because you don't think interior line play blew a whole in their offense all year last year?It just makes too much sense at first glance for Cincy to go DeCastro. They're both awful and old at guard. The best one is usually picked in the 17-21 range (in recent history). They have 2 picks in that range.In general, I think you did a great job even though thats a nightmare scenerio for Cincy that all of Gilmore, Kuechly, and Barron go before 17 and they pass on OL.

I'm saying they pass twice because I think it makes no sense to take first round guards no matter how good they are.I did have them taking a guard in the 2nd. But I messed up and had Zeitler going before Brooks, which wouldn't happen. I've fixed it now.A trifecta of Wright, Kirkpatrick, and Zeitler would be an awesome start to the draft for the Bengals.

 

[MG345]

There are lots of options here DE, LB, WR, and even QB as much as I don't like that pick. Ingram would be a decent pick here, and there is talk of them absolutely loving Upshaw.

I did the Seahawks pick in the board's mock draft and took Upshaw...and got blown up by another Seahawks fan saying that he's nowhere near the guy they're looking for (See previous post). So I can't win with you guys! As far as the options in THIS mock, the next available WR for them to take would have been Kendall Wright or Rueben Randle. I doubt they'd take either of them. The top 3 QBs were off the board as was Kuechly, so neither of those positions were an option. So it came down to DE or CB in my mind and I went with what I think is the superior prospect.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the player you picked, it is just not a position of need when compared to the ones I listed (you could even add RB to that list). Funny enough, I think I remember who blew you up for that Upshaw pick in the other mock, and I believe it was Scientist. I like Upshaw just fine, though I don't feel he has the whole package needed to succeed immediately. But, despite his short comings, there have been lots of talk locally about Upshaw being the guy if he is there, to the point where a lot of people have already penciled him in. Between insider sources and rumbles from Pete himself, Upshaw has been bounced around on Hawks boards since the start of the offseason. At the same time, I completely understand where you are coming from: what is the fun/point of doing a mock draft if you are just going to plug in the same player as every other mock draft.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

There are lots of options here DE, LB, WR, and even QB as much as I don't like that pick. Ingram would be a decent pick here, and there is talk of them absolutely loving Upshaw.

I did the Seahawks pick in the board's mock draft and took Upshaw...and got blown up by another Seahawks fan saying that he's nowhere near the guy they're looking for (See previous post). So I can't win with you guys! As far as the options in THIS mock, the next available WR for them to take would have been Kendall Wright or Rueben Randle. I doubt they'd take either of them. The top 3 QBs were off the board as was Kuechly, so neither of those positions were an option. So it came down to DE or CB in my mind and I went with what I think is the superior prospect.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the player you picked, it is just not a position of need when compared to the ones I listed (you could even add RB to that list). Funny enough, I think I remember who blew you up for that Upshaw pick in the other mock, and I believe it was Scientist. I like Upshaw just fine, though I don't feel he has the whole package needed to succeed immediately. But, despite his short comings, there have been lots of talk locally about Upshaw being the guy if he is there, to the point where a lot of people have already penciled him in. Between insider sources and rumbles from Pete himself, Upshaw has been bounced around on Hawks boards since the start of the offseason. At the same time, I completely understand where you are coming from: what is the fun/point of doing a mock draft if you are just going to plug in the same player as every other mock draft.

Yes it was!

 

[cheese]

You forgot DeCastro, right?

We're only through 20. But he doesn't go to the Bengals.

Are you saying they pass twice because you don't think he's that good or because you don't think interior line play blew a whole in their offense all year last year?It just makes too much sense at first glance for Cincy to go DeCastro. They're both awful and old at guard. The best one is usually picked in the 17-21 range (in recent history). They have 2 picks in that range.In general, I think you did a great job even though thats a nightmare scenerio for Cincy that all of Gilmore, Kuechly, and Barron go before 17 and they pass on OL.

I'm saying they pass twice because I think it makes no sense to take first round guards no matter how good they are.I did have them taking a guard in the 2nd. But I messed up and had Zeitler going before Brooks, which wouldn't happen. I've fixed it now.A trifecta of Wright, Kirkpatrick, and Zeitler would be an awesome start to the draft for the Bengals.

I honestly don't know college Olineman to make any type of judgement, so I'll take your word on it about the value of a DeCastro compared to a Zeitler (or whoever in rd2).I'm just not sure I follow how he's a bad pick at 21 for a team desperate for an OG, but you're slotting him at 22 to a team with a line we would kill for.

 

[Crippler]

You forgot DeCastro, right?

We're only through 20. But he doesn't go to the Bengals.

Are you saying they pass twice because you don't think he's that good or because you don't think interior line play blew a whole in their offense all year last year?It just makes too much sense at first glance for Cincy to go DeCastro. They're both awful and old at guard. The best one is usually picked in the 17-21 range (in recent history). They have 2 picks in that range.In general, I think you did a great job even though thats a nightmare scenerio for Cincy that all of Gilmore, Kuechly, and Barron go before 17 and they pass on OL.

I'm saying they pass twice because I think it makes no sense to take first round guards no matter how good they are.I did have them taking a guard in the 2nd. But I messed up and had Zeitler going before Brooks, which wouldn't happen. I've fixed it now.A trifecta of Wright, Kirkpatrick, and Zeitler would be an awesome start to the draft for the Bengals.

The money Carl Nicks got kind of disproves your theory on OG right now. OG seem to be a hotter commodity in the NFL and have heard it talked about on Path to the draft(I think Lombardi at least a few times) quite a bit. I think your undervaluing the position right now and Decastro goes much earlier than what you have.

 

[Crippler]

With all the talent in this draft, you really need a 3rd round

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The money Carl Nicks got kind of disproves your theory on OG right now. OG seem to be a hotter commodity in the NFL and have heard it talked about on Path to the draft(I think Lombardi at least a few times) quite a bit. I think your undervaluing the position right now and Decastro goes much earlier than what you have.

The flip side of that argument is that Nicks was a 5th rounder and played tackle in college. And he also ran into a team with a ton of money to spend - one that isn't nearly as good as the team that he left.Having said that, I could see him going to the Chiefs at #11 and with the addition of Winston at RT all of a sudden they would have one of the league's best lines.

 

[Village Idiot]

Is the De Castro pick at 22 due to BPA?

Because the Browns are desperate for a RT not a Guard.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Is the De Castro pick at 22 due to BPA?Because the Browns are desperate for a RT not a Guard.

It's a little bit BPA, but they're desperate for both. Steinbach is coming off back surgery, missed all of last season, and is just a shell of what he once was. DeCastro would be a huge improvement over Jason Pinkston and Shawn Lauvao.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'd be stupified if the Steelers picked Janoris Jenkins. He's not a Steelers kind of guy.

If DeCastro was still on the board in the early 20s, I'd be down with Pittsburgh trading their 3rd or 4th rounder to move up a few spots and take him.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'd be stupified if the Steelers picked Janoris Jenkins. He's not a Steelers kind of guy.

You're probably right. I thought I'd throw him in the 2nd round somewhere and thought maybe the Steelers could handle him given the ability he'd bring with the headaches.What 2nd round target are you thinking of?

If DeCastro was still on the board in the early 20s, I'd be down with Pittsburgh trading their 3rd or 4th rounder to move up a few spots and take him.

That's what's going to kill mock drafts this year - trades. I think there'll be a bunch.

 

[smackdaddies]

Jones will not be the packers first pick. Second round talent, they would go Nick Perry, a DL or even Konz before that

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Jones will not be the packers first pick. Second round talent, they would go Nick Perry, a DL or even Konz before that

Nick Perry is a 2nd round talent too.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'd be stupified if the Steelers picked Janoris Jenkins. He's not a Steelers kind of guy.

You're probably right. I thought I'd throw him in the 2nd round somewhere and thought maybe the Steelers could handle him given the ability he'd bring with the headaches.What 2nd round target are you thinking of?

If DeCastro was still on the board in the early 20s, I'd be down with Pittsburgh trading their 3rd or 4th rounder to move up a few spots and take him.

That's what's going to kill mock drafts this year - trades. I think there'll be a bunch.

A second round corner is a definite possibility. I just think Jenkins will be off their board entirely. I could see Boykins, the Georgia corner going here if they did go OT in the first - or Lamar Miller if they wanted an RB (I think Mendenhall is all but done in Pittsburgh) or Mychal Kendricks, the ILB from Cal. Possibly even Alameda Ta'Amu if they have a high enough grade on him.Agreed on the trades. I'm not usually a proponent of trading up, but if it was only a few spots, and only to get DeCastro, I'd be in favor of it. Guy just screams Pittsburgh Steelers. I'd rather draft him and play Ramon Foster at RT than draft Martin or Adams and play Foster inside.

 

[matuski]

Casey Hayward over Janoris Jenkins?