Monte Kiffin to Oakland (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

So there's been a lot of discussion about Oakland's decision to fire Rob Ryan as well as his seemingly impending hiring in New York as the Jets DC. But has anyone else noticed the little nugget inserted into the ESPN article today concerning Ryan's possible replacement?

Sources indicated Ryan was told before the Raiders' final game, against San Diego on Sunday, that he would not be returning in 2008, according to the Tribune. That could clear the way for coach Lane Kiffin to hire his father, Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, as the elder Kiffin's contract with the Bucs expires at the end of their season.

Anyone else heard this as a possibility? Bucs fans, has this been discussed down in Tampa as a possibility?

 

[kaso]

If this is true, I have mixed feelings.

Monte Kiffin is a proven DC. And did wonders with the Bucs. But could a father and son combo, with the son as HC, really work in the NFL? That worries me.

 

[redman]

If this is true, I have mixed feelings.Monte Kiffin is a proven DC. And did wonders with the Bucs. But could a father and son combo, with the son as HC, really work in the NFL? That worries me.

Why wouldn't it? I don't see Monte Kiffin as having any head coaching aspirations, and he's obviously excellent at what he does. He'll have no agendas other than wanting his defense and son to be successful.

 

[gump]

It's been a topic for a few weeks here.

Most feel it's unlikely for a couple of reasons:

1) It would probably be a paycut

2) He'd have to work for Al Davis

3) No guarantee Lane is around very long

But, that said, it wouldn't be shocking...nor would it be a huge loss in Bucs fans minds. Yes, Monte is probably the best DC in the NFL over the last 15 years...but the Bucs have a guy waiting in the wings who will undoubtedly get a shot to be a DC somewhere soon if not in Tampa...Raheem Morris. Some even think Morris has a shot to be the next Buc head coach.

 

[Giants4Life]

Monte Kiffin...That right there is ESPN making up stories. Which they do on a regular basis. They are merely guessing, but have no credible sources.

 

[GregR_2]

Monte Kiffin...That right there is ESPN making up stories. Which they do on a regular basis. They are merely guessing, but have no credible sources.

They aren't making up stories, they are discussing a possibility when to different factors make it an intriguing possibility. Why would they need a source to do that?There's a huge difference between saying someone "could" do something now versus saying they "are" doing it now. ESPN didn't do the latter, so why rip on them as if they did?

 

[softball]

Very possible don't forget; this is the NFL...

Nepotisim Friend League

The Dolphins can draft Ted Ginn Jr because Cameron knew him since he was 9, but the Raiders wouldn't hire their HC's dad?

The more I write, the more I'm sure it WILL happen.

 

[bcr8f]

If this is true, I have mixed feelings.Monte Kiffin is a proven DC. And did wonders with the Bucs. But could a father and son combo, with the son as HC, really work in the NFL? That worries me.

Why wouldn't it? I don't see Monte Kiffin as having any head coaching aspirations, and he's obviously excellent at what he does. He'll have no agendas other than wanting his defense and son to be successful.

I agree. He would also help his son considerably.

 

[bcr8f]

Very possible don't forget; this is the NFL...Nepotisim Freind LeagueThe Dolphins can draft Ted Ginn Jr because Cameron knew him since he was 9, but the Raiders wouldn't hire their HC's dad?The more I write, the more I'm sure it WILL happen.

Dennis Green knew Larry Fitzgerald too since he was a ball boy.

 

[kaso]

No argument from me to the fact that situations like this have occurred in the NFL before. But when have they worked? I am sure the Monte would work hard for his son and that he could be an asset to the team. I am just worried about the family portion of the arrangement being a distraction on some level.

I am not sure the Cameron/Ginn JR or Green/Fitzgerald situations worked out for either groups.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Why would Kiffin leave Tampa iom a lateral move (or downward considering you work for Al Davis now) to coach in Oakland? That's crazy.

 

[redman]

Very possible don't forget; this is the NFL...Nepotisim Freind LeagueThe Dolphins can draft Ted Ginn Jr because Cameron knew him since he was 9, but the Raiders wouldn't hire their HC's dad?The more I write, the more I'm sure it WILL happen.

Dennis Green knew Larry Fitzgerald too since he was a ball boy.

If this was foolproof analysis in predicting who got hired, then Al Davis would undoubtedly hire tapioca pudding.

 

[Jason Wood]

Why would Kiffin leave Tampa iom a lateral move (or downward considering you work for Al Davis now) to coach in Oakland? That's crazy.

Lots of coaches make lateral moves. Perhaps he wants a new challenge and the idea of helping his son turn around the Raiders = that challenge? I still think this is a long shot because Kiffin would have to take a considerable paycut OR get paid a lot MORE than Davis is paying Lane currently; which would send the wrong signal to the players i would think.

 

[chuckmorris]

If this is true, I have mixed feelings.Monte Kiffin is a proven DC. And did wonders with the Bucs. But could a father and son combo, with the son as HC, really work in the NFL? That worries me.

There is some precedent for this sort of thing to work. Wade Phillips got his start with the Oilers as a linebackers coach while his dad was the HC, and those teams nearly made it to the Super Bowl, but were unable to get past the Steelers in the 70's. There are probably other examples, but that's the first one that comes to mind.

 

[Jason Wood]

If this is true, I have mixed feelings.Monte Kiffin is a proven DC. And did wonders with the Bucs. But could a father and son combo, with the son as HC, really work in the NFL? That worries me.

There is some precedent for this sort of thing to work. Wade Phillips got his start with the Oilers as a linebackers coach while his dad was the HC, and those teams nearly made it to the Super Bowl, but were unable to get past the Steelers in the 70's. There are probably other examples, but that's the first one that comes to mind.

Brian Schottenheimer worked under his dad before getting the job in New York. And, for that matter, Kurt (his other son) was a long-time defensive assistant. Joe Barry, the DC in Detroit, is Rod Marinelli's son-in-law; that's another example.

 

[One]

Buccaneers defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin addressed his contract status with the Tampa Bay media on Wednesday and also denied speculation that he wanted to leave after the season to coach with his son, Lane Kiffin, in Oakland. Kiffin strongly suggested that he wanted to stay in Tampa Bay.

LINKFrom what I hear, don't expect even Lane Kiffin back in Oakland for '08.

 

[trader jake]

Monty makes more as a defensive coordinator than his son does as a head coach...would working alongside Lane really be worth leaving Tampa for?

 

[3nOut]

If this is true, I have mixed feelings.Monte Kiffin is a proven DC. And did wonders with the Bucs. But could a father and son combo, with the son as HC, really work in the NFL? That worries me.

Why wouldn't it? I don't see Monte Kiffin as having any head coaching aspirations, and he's obviously excellent at what he does. He'll have no agendas other than wanting his defense and son to be successful.

I agree. He would also help his son considerably.

And if it doesn't work? Can/Would he fire his dad?

 

[redman]

If this is true, I have mixed feelings.Monte Kiffin is a proven DC. And did wonders with the Bucs. But could a father and son combo, with the son as HC, really work in the NFL? That worries me.

Why wouldn't it? I don't see Monte Kiffin as having any head coaching aspirations, and he's obviously excellent at what he does. He'll have no agendas other than wanting his defense and son to be successful.

I agree. He would also help his son considerably.

And if it doesn't work? Can/Would he fire his dad?

Lane isn't the GM in Oakland, is he? "If it doesn't work", how secure is Lane's job anyway?

 

[redman]

If this is true, I have mixed feelings.Monte Kiffin is a proven DC. And did wonders with the Bucs. But could a father and son combo, with the son as HC, really work in the NFL? That worries me.

There is some precedent for this sort of thing to work. Wade Phillips got his start with the Oilers as a linebackers coach while his dad was the HC, and those teams nearly made it to the Super Bowl, but were unable to get past the Steelers in the 70's. There are probably other examples, but that's the first one that comes to mind.

Brian Schottenheimer worked under his dad before getting the job in New York. And, for that matter, Kurt (his other son) was a long-time defensive assistant. Joe Barry, the DC in Detroit, is Rod Marinelli's son-in-law; that's another example.

Kurt Schottenheimer is Marty's brother, not his son.

 

[3nOut]

If this is true, I have mixed feelings.Monte Kiffin is a proven DC. And did wonders with the Bucs. But could a father and son combo, with the son as HC, really work in the NFL? That worries me.

Why wouldn't it? I don't see Monte Kiffin as having any head coaching aspirations, and he's obviously excellent at what he does. He'll have no agendas other than wanting his defense and son to be successful.

I agree. He would also help his son considerably.

And if it doesn't work? Can/Would he fire his dad?

Lane isn't the GM in Oakland, is he? "If it doesn't work", how secure is Lane's job anyway?

Original post stated that Lane Kiffin would hire his father...

 

[Jason Wood]

If this is true, I have mixed feelings.Monte Kiffin is a proven DC. And did wonders with the Bucs. But could a father and son combo, with the son as HC, really work in the NFL? That worries me.

There is some precedent for this sort of thing to work. Wade Phillips got his start with the Oilers as a linebackers coach while his dad was the HC, and those teams nearly made it to the Super Bowl, but were unable to get past the Steelers in the 70's. There are probably other examples, but that's the first one that comes to mind.

Brian Schottenheimer worked under his dad before getting the job in New York. And, for that matter, Kurt (his other son) was a long-time defensive assistant. Joe Barry, the DC in Detroit, is Rod Marinelli's son-in-law; that's another example.

Kurt Schottenheimer is Marty's brother, not his son.

thanks for the correction, my mistake

 

[gump]

It's been a topic for a few weeks here.Most feel it's unlikely for a couple of reasons:1) It would probably be a paycut2) He'd have to work for Al Davis3) No guarantee Lane is around very longBut, that said, it wouldn't be shocking...nor would it be a huge loss in Bucs fans minds. Yes, Monte is probably the best DC in the NFL over the last 15 years...but the Bucs have a guy waiting in the wings who will undoubtedly get a shot to be a DC somewhere soon if not in Tampa...Raheem Morris. Some even think Morris has a shot to be the next Buc head coach.

A CA newspaper is reporting now that Lane Kiffen is interested in giving Morris the job.Unfortunately for the Raiders, Morris is under contract...and I can guarantee will not be granted to permission to interview.

 

[massraider]

It's been a topic for a few weeks here.Most feel it's unlikely for a couple of reasons:1) It would probably be a paycut2) He'd have to work for Al Davis3) No guarantee Lane is around very longBut, that said, it wouldn't be shocking...nor would it be a huge loss in Bucs fans minds. Yes, Monte is probably the best DC in the NFL over the last 15 years...but the Bucs have a guy waiting in the wings who will undoubtedly get a shot to be a DC somewhere soon if not in Tampa...Raheem Morris. Some even think Morris has a shot to be the next Buc head coach.

A CA newspaper is reporting now that Lane Kiffen is interested in giving Morris the job.Unfortunately for the Raiders, Morris is under contract...and I can guarantee will not be granted to permission to interview.

The Raiders and Morris don't need permission. If it's a upward move, like from DB coach to DC, then a coach doesn't need permission.If Lane wanted to talk to him about the DB coach position, he'd need Tampa's permission.

 

[kaso]

Inside Bay Area Article

Ryan not gone yet; Kiffin eyes another

By Steve Corkran, STAFF WRITER

Article Last Updated: 01/04/2008 02:38:58 AM PST

The Oakland Raiders still haven't made official their decision whether to retain defensive coordinator Rob Ryan. However, coach Lane Kiffin has a prospective replacement in mind if he gets his wish of jettisoning Ryan.

People in the Raiders front office and close to Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive backs coach Raheem Morris confirm that Kiffin has his sights set upon luring away Morris.

Several published reports have speculated about Kiffin hiring his father, Monte, to replace Ryan once the Buccaneers' season ends. Monte Kiffin dismissed the likelihood of that happening.

"Whatever happened in Oakland has nothing to do with me just because of the (last name) Kiffin," Monte Kiffin told Tampa-area media in recent days. "Believe me, I am totally concentrating on the New York Giants. I love the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I love Tampa. I love my son, but that doesn't mean I don't like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers."

Monte Kiffin said he is working without a contract for the Buccaneers right now but is interested in re-signing with the team he has worked for the past 12 seasons.

"I haven't thought about what is going on in Oakland," Monte Kiffin said. "Lane hasn't discussed it with me. I love the Bucs. I've coached here a long time, and I'd like to continue to coach here."

Morris, 31, has been groomed by Monte Kiffin to be a defensive coordinator. Lane Kiffin no doubt has heard all about Morris from his father.

Morris began his NFL career with the Buccaneers in 2002. Buccaneers cornerback Ronde Barber said he realized early that Morris is destined for greater things in the NFL.

"He's on the fast track," Barber told the Tampa Tribune. "People ask me all the time what's different about us this year, and I point to Raheem. He's a big part of it."

 

[red]

Why would Kiffin leave Tampa iom a lateral move (or downward considering you work for Al Davis now) to coach in Oakland? That's crazy.

what father wouldn't want to see his son succeed. this is not a lateral move; rather it's a strategic move that would help his son, provide for a once in a lifetime experience (for both men) and perhaps be a nice cap to a great NFL career.

 

[kaso]

Ryan to Stay!

Well we can put this all to rest. Ryan will remain on as the DC for the Raiders into the 2008 season.

Sorry Jets fans, you will have to look elsewhere.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Ryan to Stay!

Well we can put this all to rest. Ryan will remain on as the DC for the Raiders into the 2008 season.

Sorry Jets fans, you will have to look elsewhere.

this makes me happy. i like ryan. now can he & the kid coach, who apparantly wanted him gone, get along?

 

[LawFitz]

now can he & the kid coach, who apparantly wanted him gone, get along?

Troublesome winds in Raiderland if Ryan stays. Tells me that Kiff will be gone after next year unless they make major improvements. And even then he might bolt if another solid job is offered.Big Al just can't seem to get along with any tough minded coach, no matter how good that coach seems to be for his organization.

 

[kaso]

I was thinking about this on the way home and cannot remember anything specifically stating that Kiffin made any mention of Ryan leaving or needing to. Now clearly there was some thought or miscommunication in the Raiders organization that lead the players and Ryan to believe that he was leaving. But did that come from Kiffin or somebody else in the organization.

I had the same initial thoughts as Da Raiders, and wondered how this would impact the working environment or relationship for Kiffin and Ryan. But maybe Kiffin had nothing to do with the rumors and maybe he helped Ryan keep his job? I dunno.

One thing is for sure, the Raiders always seem to keep the coaching staff situation interesting.

If Ryan did feel as though he wasn't welcome there either by Kiffin or Davis, wouldn't he be able to walk away?

 

[Garrett]

now can he & the kid coach, who apparantly wanted him gone, get along?

Troublesome winds in Raiderland if Ryan stays. Tells me that Kiff will be gone after next year unless they make major improvements. And even then he might bolt if another solid job is offered.Big Al just can't seem to get along with any tough minded coach, no matter how good that coach seems to be for his organization.

Anyone else remember the knee jerk statement the Raiders released after NFL Network reported that Art Shell would be fired? Let's see how this plays out; I am still not sure that Ryan will be around next year.

 

[Garrett]

If Ryan did feel as though he wasn't welcome there either by Kiffin or Davis, wouldn't he be able to walk away?

If he is under contract and walks, wouldn't he have to sit out until his contract expired? I could be wrong on this, but I thought that was the case.

 

[kaso]

If Ryan did feel as though he wasn't welcome there either by Kiffin or Davis, wouldn't he be able to walk away?

If he is under contract and walks, wouldn't he have to sit out until his contract expired? I could be wrong on this, but I thought that was the case.

Oh, if that's the case this could be a completely different story.

 

[gump]

It's been a topic for a few weeks here.Most feel it's unlikely for a couple of reasons:1) It would probably be a paycut2) He'd have to work for Al Davis3) No guarantee Lane is around very longBut, that said, it wouldn't be shocking...nor would it be a huge loss in Bucs fans minds. Yes, Monte is probably the best DC in the NFL over the last 15 years...but the Bucs have a guy waiting in the wings who will undoubtedly get a shot to be a DC somewhere soon if not in Tampa...Raheem Morris. Some even think Morris has a shot to be the next Buc head coach.

A CA newspaper is reporting now that Lane Kiffen is interested in giving Morris the job.Unfortunately for the Raiders, Morris is under contract...and I can guarantee will not be granted to permission to interview.

The Raiders and Morris don't need permission. If it's a upward move, like from DB coach to DC, then a coach doesn't need permission.If Lane wanted to talk to him about the DB coach position, he'd need Tampa's permission.

I don't believe the Bucs allow any coaches to interview without permission, unless it is for a head coaching position.

 

[massraider]

It's been a topic for a few weeks here.Most feel it's unlikely for a couple of reasons:1) It would probably be a paycut2) He'd have to work for Al Davis3) No guarantee Lane is around very longBut, that said, it wouldn't be shocking...nor would it be a huge loss in Bucs fans minds. Yes, Monte is probably the best DC in the NFL over the last 15 years...but the Bucs have a guy waiting in the wings who will undoubtedly get a shot to be a DC somewhere soon if not in Tampa...Raheem Morris. Some even think Morris has a shot to be the next Buc head coach.

A CA newspaper is reporting now that Lane Kiffen is interested in giving Morris the job.Unfortunately for the Raiders, Morris is under contract...and I can guarantee will not be granted to permission to interview.

The Raiders and Morris don't need permission. If it's a upward move, like from DB coach to DC, then a coach doesn't need permission.If Lane wanted to talk to him about the DB coach position, he'd need Tampa's permission.

I don't believe the Bucs allow any coaches to interview without permission, unless it is for a head coaching position.

You are correct, I am incorrect.I mistakenly thought teams couldn't keep coaches from making an upward move. It is only true in the case of a HC position