More Julius Jones Trade Rumblings (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

From his ESPN.com column today:

There continue to be rumblings that a few teams have inquired about the availability of Dallas starter Julius Jones, who has rushed for 2,896 yards in three seasons and is coming off a 2006 campaign in which he posted a career-best 1,084 yards. It's not the first time such rumors have surrounded Jones, with talk before last year's draft that he might be swapped to the New York Jets. Jones is a tough, pinball-style runner, but there are concerns about his long-term durability. And while backup Marion Barber III hasn't yet carried more than 150 times in a season, the suspicion is that some Dallas officials feel he is ready to take over the No. 1 role.

 

[Bankerguy]

From his ESPN.com column today:There continue to be rumblings that a few teams have inquired about the availability of Dallas starter Julius Jones, who has rushed for 2,896 yards in three seasons and is coming off a 2006 campaign in which he posted a career-best 1,084 yards. It's not the first time such rumors have surrounded Jones, with talk before last year's draft that he might be swapped to the New York Jets. Jones is a tough, pinball-style runner, but there are concerns about his long-term durability. And while backup Marion Barber III hasn't yet carried more than 150 times in a season, the suspicion is that some Dallas officials feel he is ready to take over the No. 1 role.

 

[BigTex]

From his ESPN.com column today:There continue to be rumblings that a few teams have inquired about the availability of Dallas starter Julius Jones, who has rushed for 2,896 yards in three seasons and is coming off a 2006 campaign in which he posted a career-best 1,084 yards. It's not the first time such rumors have surrounded Jones, with talk before last year's draft that he might be swapped to the New York Jets. Jones is a tough, pinball-style runner, but there are concerns about his long-term durability. And while backup Marion Barber III hasn't yet carried more than 150 times in a season, the suspicion is that some Dallas officials feel he is ready to take over the No. 1 role.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Was Len yelling that Pinkston was good before he wrote that?

 

[packersfan]

From his ESPN.com column today:There continue to be rumblings that a few teams have inquired about the availability of Dallas starter Julius Jones, who has rushed for 2,896 yards in three seasons and is coming off a 2006 campaign in which he posted a career-best 1,084 yards. It's not the first time such rumors have surrounded Jones, with talk before last year's draft that he might be swapped to the New York Jets. Jones is a tough, pinball-style runner, but there are concerns about his long-term durability. And while backup Marion Barber III hasn't yet carried more than 150 times in a season, the suspicion is that some Dallas officials feel he is ready to take over the No. 1 role.

Did I miss something? Please let me know. I wasn't aware that this was a problem topic. I realize Jones' trade topics have been posted this off-season but I thought a new one from ESPN.com would be worthy of discussion. Was I wrong?

 

[EBF]

It makes some sense for teams to look for other options given the lack of depth in this RB class. There might be some substance to these reports.

 

[Biabreakable]

It makes some sense for teams to look for other options given the lack of depth in this RB class. There might be some substance to these reports.

How is there a lack of depth in this years Rb draft class when players like Pittman are probobly as good as if not better than Julius Jones?Jones is a vereran and the teams who really need a Rb might be more comfortable with trading somthing for him but I do not think it is because of a lack of depth in this Rb class.I continue to hear people say this and it continues to confuse me when one considers that there are 8-10 decent Rb prospects that could start for teams or at least have a significant role. And there are another 5-8 sleeper type Rb prospects that are more unknown but show some reasonable promise to make rosters.

 

[tecmo bo]

i think some teams may realize that he has been used incorrectly in dallas and think he still has the star potential he showed his rookie year

 

[EBF]

How is there a lack of depth in this years Rb draft class when players like Pittman are probobly as good as if not better than Julius Jones?

I don't see it that way. IMO, JJ would be the RB3 in this class if he were in the draft pool. Pittman and Irons are similar from a measurables/pedigree standpoint, but my unbiased evaluation is that JJ was a better prospect than those two entering the league.

I continue to hear people say this and it continues to confuse me when one considers that there are 8-10 decent Rb prospects that could start for teams or at least have a significant role. And there are another 5-8 sleeper type Rb prospects that are more unknown but show some reasonable promise to make rosters.

I don't share your optimism about this group. I see two surefire starters (Peterson and Lynch), two good role players (Leonard and Booker), and three fringe guys who may or may not ever start full-time (Irons, Pittman, Jackson). Michael Bush, Chris Henry, Thomas Clayton, and the rest of these guys look like longshots.

 

[Biabreakable]

Well I think JJ is a great example for how pre nfl draft rankings of players and post nfl draft rankings can drasticly change.

I believe I had JJ somthing like Rb 7 or 8 pre nfl draft. He did not apear to be special to me. When Bill Parcells passed on Jackson and drafted Jones later that changed my opinion greatly.

But now that JJ is losing ground to a talented 4th round draft choice in Barber it is making me wonder if I was not more right in the 1st place.

 

[EBF]

Well I think JJ is a great example for how pre nfl draft rankings of players and post nfl draft rankings can drasticly change.I believe I had JJ somthing like Rb 7 or 8 pre nfl draft. He did not apear to be special to me. When Bill Parcells passed on Jackson and drafted Jones later that changed my opinion greatly. But now that JJ is losing ground to a talented 4th round draft choice in Barber it is making me wonder if I was not more right in the 1st place.

Keep in mind that a lot of people were high on Barber and that no one would've blinked if he had been taken in the 2nd round. He was a star in college and often outshined Laurence Maroney. He's not exactly chopped liver. Julius Jones is a quality back who could start for a handful of NFL teams.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

It makes some sense for teams to look for other options given the lack of depth in this RB class. There might be some substance to these reports.

How is there a lack of depth in this years Rb draft class when players like Pittman are probobly as good as if not better than Julius Jones?Jones is a vereran and the teams who really need a Rb might be more comfortable with trading somthing for him but I do not think it is because of a lack of depth in this Rb class.I continue to hear people say this and it continues to confuse me when one considers that there are 8-10 decent Rb prospects that could start for teams or at least have a significant role. And there are another 5-8 sleeper type Rb prospects that are more unknown but show some reasonable promise to make rosters.

Not sure where you're getting this idea from. This year has two elite RB prospects and then a huge drop, much bigger than most years.I don't think Pittman and Hunt really compare much to DeAngelo Williams, LenDale White, and Maurice Jones-Drew as prospects. Those are the guys that fell into the similar category last year, and it was only deeper in the years before that.

 

[LBH]

isnt JJ an UFA next year? If so i could see Dallas getting what they can for him if they dont see him as a long term answer at RB

 

[switz]

It makes some sense for teams to look for other options given the lack of depth in this RB class. There might be some substance to these reports.

How is there a lack of depth in this years Rb draft class when players like Pittman are probobly as good as if not better than Julius Jones?Jones is a vereran and the teams who really need a Rb might be more comfortable with trading somthing for him but I do not think it is because of a lack of depth in this Rb class.I continue to hear people say this and it continues to confuse me when one considers that there are 8-10 decent Rb prospects that could start for teams or at least have a significant role. And there are another 5-8 sleeper type Rb prospects that are more unknown but show some reasonable promise to make rosters.

Puh-leaze!!! Lynch is only a first round candidate because this years class is weak. Pittman is NOT better than JJones., Let's not let the rookie fever affect reality...

 

[Riffraff]

isnt JJ an UFA next year? If so i could see Dallas getting what they can for him if they dont see him as a long term answer at RB

Or they can re-sign JJ at any point before he turns into a FA. Imagine the Barber fan club outrage at that moment in time.

 

[Routilla]

isnt JJ an UFA next year? If so i could see Dallas getting what they can for him if they dont see him as a long term answer at RB

If he is an UFA in '08 then I could see DAL trying to move him. With T. Thompson coming off of a broken ankle, I don't know why DAL would deplete their depth just b/c JJ is an UFA next year. What could they get for him? They would need a RB or a pick that could allow them to get an RB right?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Julius Jones Contract info (base salary):

2007 510000.00

2008 545000.00

2009 545000.00

He also had a $1.8M signing bonus. (6 year, $4.37M deal signed in 04).

However, his 08 and 09 were voided due to performance, so this is his last year.

 

[Boston]

A team trading for Jones is getting a known commodity. He's a good but not great back. IMO in the right fit he can be very productive. Yet, I also don't see him ever being a RB that defenses truly fear or have to really gameplan for. There very well could be rookies from 07 who are better than him but right now you really don't know who they will be outside of Peterson and possibly Lynch.

I think there's a lot of teams that would like to acquire him but his contract situation makes things a little dicey. With the threat of him being a one and done player teams will probably be leery of giving up too much for him. On the flipside I also believe Dallas sees Barber as the future and may want to get compensation for Jones since they'll probably lose him after 07. Where there's a will there's a way and I would not be surprised one bit if Juluis is dealt at some point this offseason.

 

[Yitbos69]

Julius Jones Contract info (base salary):2007 510000.002008 545000.002009 545000.00He also had a $1.8M signing bonus. (6 year, $4.37M deal signed in 04).However, his 08 and 09 were voided due to performance, so this is his last year.

Jeff,Would that make him a RFA or UFA?

 

[RD1967]

Julius Jones Contract info (base salary):2007 510000.002008 545000.002009 545000.00He also had a $1.8M signing bonus. (6 year, $4.37M deal signed in 04).However, his 08 and 09 were voided due to performance, so this is his last year.

Jeff,Would that make him a RFA or UFA?

I'm sorry Jones is NOT A STARTING RB, NOT A STARTING RB. A good third down back, yes, but when a guy keeps waiving for the other dude to come in cuase he's "tired" that my fellow posters does not a Starting RB make. Barber is the Dude, Just cant cant pick up the blitz so much. Jones is the NFC version of Tatum Bell, quick to the outside, decent blocking and thats it. Dime a Dozen. Parcells knew that Barber could not blitz pick up to save his is life, but a Great Burner with the ball, the only reason that he didnt start over Jones.

 

[packersfan]

I think Jones is a much better RB than Tatum Bell. As a Packers fan, I wouldn't have a problem with the Packers trying to trade for Jones - maybe offer to switch first-round picks, do some dealing in another round if necessary. I'd view that as a strong upgrade at the clear No. 1 area of need for Green Bay this offseason.

Plus it would open the door for Barber to start in Dallas and as a possible Barber owner I wouldn't have any problems with that whatsoever.

 

[simmonjm]

Julius Jones Contract info (base salary):2007 510000.002008 545000.002009 545000.00He also had a $1.8M signing bonus. (6 year, $4.37M deal signed in 04).However, his 08 and 09 were voided due to performance, so this is his last year.

Jeff,Would that make him a RFA or UFA?

I'm sorry Jones is NOT A STARTING RB, NOT A STARTING RB. A good third down back, yes, but when a guy keeps waiving for the other dude to come in cuase he's "tired" that my fellow posters does not a Starting RB make. Barber is the Dude, Just cant cant pick up the blitz so much. Jones is the NFC version of Tatum Bell, quick to the outside, decent blocking and thats it. Dime a Dozen. Parcells knew that Barber could not blitz pick up to save his is life, but a Great Burner with the ball, the only reason that he didnt start over Jones.

Im going to have disagree. Julius is a starting running back. During his rookie year he showed alot of promise but then Parcells got in his head and had him hit the hole without hesitation no option of cutting back and didnt allow him to rely on his instincts. Also Julius made sure he didnt fumble due to Parcells by overcompensating (protecting the ball) and thus Julius looked very average. Dont write Julius off just yet. I think this year under Wade Phillips Julius will be allowed to run like he was in his rookie year. Also Marion Barber is better at picking up the blitz then Julius was last year. The reason Barber didnt start is because Jones is a better back.

 

[Bankerguy]

From his ESPN.com column today:There continue to be rumblings that a few teams have inquired about the availability of Dallas starter Julius Jones, who has rushed for 2,896 yards in three seasons and is coming off a 2006 campaign in which he posted a career-best 1,084 yards. It's not the first time such rumors have surrounded Jones, with talk before last year's draft that he might be swapped to the New York Jets. Jones is a tough, pinball-style runner, but there are concerns about his long-term durability. And while backup Marion Barber III hasn't yet carried more than 150 times in a season, the suspicion is that some Dallas officials feel he is ready to take over the No. 1 role.

Did I miss something? Please let me know. I wasn't aware that this was a problem topic. I realize Jones' trade topics have been posted this off-season but I thought a new one from ESPN.com would be worthy of discussion. Was I wrong?

I just don't see why the Cowboys would trade Jones? Say what you want about Barber, but I and the majority of Cowboy fans don't think MB3 is ready to carry the load. At best Dallas gets a 2nd for JJ but more realistically a 3rd round pick. I just don't see it happening.The is just for the on-going of this topic.Nothing personal.

 

[Imedos]

Julius Jones Contract info (base salary):2007 510000.002008 545000.002009 545000.00He also had a $1.8M signing bonus. (6 year, $4.37M deal signed in 04).However, his 08 and 09 were voided due to performance, so this is his last year.

Jeff,Would that make him a RFA or UFA?

I'm sorry Jones is NOT A STARTING RB, NOT A STARTING RB. A good third down back, yes, but when a guy keeps waiving for the other dude to come in cuase he's "tired" that my fellow posters does not a Starting RB make. Barber is the Dude, Just cant cant pick up the blitz so much. Jones is the NFC version of Tatum Bell, quick to the outside, decent blocking and thats it. Dime a Dozen. Parcells knew that Barber could not blitz pick up to save his is life, but a Great Burner with the ball, the only reason that he didnt start over Jones.

If Jones is just a "good thrid down back", and Barber can't pick up the blitz, then why was Barber the 3rd down back for the majority of the season?And Barber is not a burner.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Was Len yelling that Pinkston was good before he wrote that?

Pinkston was good......for nothing

 

[bueno]

Just a thought, but the first thing that ocurred to me is that if Lynch is gone by the time the Packers pick, Dallas is going to get a phone call. I count at least five tems drafting ahead of Green Bay that might grab a RB in the first round. Buffalo for sure.

 

[Bri]

Julius Jones Contract info (base salary):2007 510000.002008 545000.002009 545000.00He also had a $1.8M signing bonus. (6 year, $4.37M deal signed in 04).However, his 08 and 09 were voided due to performance, so this is his last year.

Jeff,Would that make him a RFA or UFA?

UFA

 

[DaWidowMaker]

Julius Jones Contract info (base salary):2007 510000.002008 545000.002009 545000.00He also had a $1.8M signing bonus. (6 year, $4.37M deal signed in 04).However, his 08 and 09 were voided due to performance, so this is his last year.

Jeff,Would that make him a RFA or UFA?

I'm sorry Jones is NOT A STARTING RB, NOT A STARTING RB. A good third down back, yes, but when a guy keeps waiving for the other dude to come in cuase he's "tired" that my fellow posters does not a Starting RB make. Barber is the Dude, Just cant cant pick up the blitz so much. Jones is the NFC version of Tatum Bell, quick to the outside, decent blocking and thats it. Dime a Dozen. Parcells knew that Barber could not blitz pick up to save his is life, but a Great Burner with the ball, the only reason that he didnt start over Jones.

Ummm...Barber is a much better blocker than Jones is. He also holds on to the ball and has much more elusiveness in the hole. I honestly think that Dallas will deal Jones if and only if Thompson is fully recovered. There is no sense in keeping him for a year and letting him walk for nothing when you can get some value (in the draft preferrably) now.

 

[Biabreakable]

It makes some sense for teams to look for other options given the lack of depth in this RB class. There might be some substance to these reports.

How is there a lack of depth in this years Rb draft class when players like Pittman are probobly as good as if not better than Julius Jones?Jones is a vereran and the teams who really need a Rb might be more comfortable with trading somthing for him but I do not think it is because of a lack of depth in this Rb class.I continue to hear people say this and it continues to confuse me when one considers that there are 8-10 decent Rb prospects that could start for teams or at least have a significant role. And there are another 5-8 sleeper type Rb prospects that are more unknown but show some reasonable promise to make rosters.

Puh-leaze!!! Lynch is only a first round candidate because this years class is weak. Pittman is NOT better than JJones., Let's not let the rookie fever affect reality...

JJ was not a 1st round pick either he was the 5th Rb taken and taken by a team that had a severe need at the Rb position.1 24 Steven Jackson RB Oregon State 1 26 Chris Perry RB Michigan 1 30 Kevin Jones RB Virginia Tech 2 41 Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State 2 43 Julius Jones RB Notre Dame 4 119 Mewelde Moore RB Tulane 4 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas 5 154 Michael Turner RB Northern Illinois 7 208 Joe Echemandu RB California 7 219 Quincy Wilson RB West Virginia 7 235 Derrick Ward RB Ottawa, Kan. 7 242 Bruce Perry RB Maryland 7 247 Brandon Miree RB Pittsburgh I think it is important to compare apples to apples here and not let veteran experience of these players cloud the judgement of player prospects who have not had the opportunity to do so yet. I am not saying that the 07 Rb class is great. What I am saying is that I do not think it is weak or that it lacks depth. There seems to be some underrated Rb prospects this year. As far as using the draft position projected for these Rbs as a basis for thier talent level I think you need to consider the depth of talent at the Wr position in 07 as well as defensive end and other positions that are driving the draft stock of the Rbs down by comparison. This is not a fault of the Rbs any more than it was in 2004.For comparisons sake the Rb prospects of 2004 to 2007 pre-nfl draft:1 24 Steven Jackson RB Oregon State - Adrian Peterson 1 26 Chris Perry RB Michigan - Brian Leonard1 30 Kevin Jones RB Virginia Tech - Marshawn Lynch2 41 Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State - Lorenzo Booker2 43 Julius Jones RB Notre Dame - Antonio Pittman4 119 Mewelde Moore RB Tulane - Kenny Irons4 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas - Michael Bush5 154 Michael Turner RB Northern Illinois - Tony Hunt7 208 Joe Echemandu RB California - Brandon Jackson7 219 Quincy Wilson RB West Virginia - Ahmad Bradshaw7 235 Derrick Ward RB Ottawa, Kan. - Chris Henry7 242 Bruce Perry RB Maryland - DeShawn Wynn7 247 Brandon Miree RB Pittsburgh - Darious WalkerAlthough not all of these comparisons are exactly similar it seems to me that they are relativly talented in most cases with some give and take between players compared that ends up evening out overall. And that is without considering...Kenneth DarbyJackie BattleThomas ClaytonGary Russell... and possibly some others who may be drafted.So my contention is that if the 2007 Rb class is weak and has no depth then you must consider the 2004 draft class to also be weak and that it had no depth as well.Julius Jones may not have been a 2nd round pick by that way of thinking in a draft class such as 2005 or 2006 which were very strong. I think it is the strength of those 2 recent classes (which has an effect on team needs for the position in 2007) that is causing people to discount the talent level of 2007. However I also consider that to be somewhat short sighted in the overall scheme of things and not a fair assesment of the 2007 class to past draft classes as a whole.

 

[Biabreakable]

How is there a lack of depth in this years Rb draft class when players like Pittman are probobly as good as if not better than Julius Jones?

I don't see it that way. IMO, JJ would be the RB3 in this class if he were in the draft pool. Pittman and Irons are similar from a measurables/pedigree standpoint, but my unbiased evaluation is that JJ was a better prospect than those two entering the league.

I continue to hear people say this and it continues to confuse me when one considers that there are 8-10 decent Rb prospects that could start for teams or at least have a significant role. And there are another 5-8 sleeper type Rb prospects that are more unknown but show some reasonable promise to make rosters.

I don't share your optimism about this group. I see two surefire starters (Peterson and Lynch), two good role players (Leonard and Booker), and three fringe guys who may or may not ever start full-time (Irons, Pittman, Jackson). Michael Bush, Chris Henry, Thomas Clayton, and the rest of these guys look like longshots.

Perhaps I am being optimistic but actualy I think I am just being open minded to the possibility of some of these Rbs being drafted that others may not be considering worthy.By your own assesment of:2 sure starters.2 role players.3 possible starters/role players.3 or more long shots.I am not really seeing how that is much different than most past draft classes.It is not my argument that the 2007 draft class is strong, such as 2005 and 2006 apear to be. But rather that it is not really weak or lacking depth of talent when one compares it to other past draft classes. However it does seem to be the opinion of many that the 2007 class is inferior to an average draft class. That is what I disagree with.

 

[RD1967]

How is there a lack of depth in this years Rb draft class when players like Pittman are probobly as good as if not better than Julius Jones?

I don't see it that way. IMO, JJ would be the RB3 in this class if he were in the draft pool. Pittman and Irons are similar from a measurables/pedigree standpoint, but my unbiased evaluation is that JJ was a better prospect than those two entering the league.

I continue to hear people say this and it continues to confuse me when one considers that there are 8-10 decent Rb prospects that could start for teams or at least have a significant role. And there are another 5-8 sleeper type Rb prospects that are more unknown but show some reasonable promise to make rosters.

I don't share your optimism about this group. I see two surefire starters (Peterson and Lynch), two good role players (Leonard and Booker), and three fringe guys who may or may not ever start full-time (Irons, Pittman, Jackson). Michael Bush, Chris Henry, Thomas Clayton, and the rest of these guys look like longshots.

Perhaps I am being optimistic but actualy I think I am just being open minded to the possibility of some of these Rbs being drafted that others may not be considering worthy.By your own assesment of:2 sure starters.2 role players.3 possible starters/role players.3 or more long shots.I am not really seeing how that is much different than most past draft classes.It is not my argument that the 2007 draft class is strong, such as 2005 and 2006 apear to be. But rather that it is not really weak or lacking depth of talent when one compares it to other past draft classes. However it does seem to be the opinion of many that the 2007 class is inferior to an average draft class. That is what I disagree with.

Ahmad Bradshaw will be as good as any of the backs in this draft. I think three years from now the ESPN idiots will ask how teams missed on this guy. You Can have Lynch, The team that drafts him will be looking for another RB in two to three years. BUST, BUST, BUST, BUST. Some see the Next LT I see the next Tatum Bell.