More value from here on out: Ingram or Sproles? (1 Viewer)

[BuffaloWings]

I know in a dynasty league, Mark Ingram is the better value of Darren Sproles. But for this season, who is the better value? In other words, who do you think will be the better fantasy option for THIS YEAR?

 

[Warrior]

No, I don't think you should trade Mark Ingram for Darren Sproles.

/thread

 

[BuffaloWings]

No, I don't think you should trade Mark Ingram for Darren Sproles./thread

Hmmm... that is not really the question. No trading involved. Let's see, assume the question is for a person who has both on his/her roster -- or -- neither on his/her roster. This is purely a question about value.

 

[unckeyherb]

Being an Ingram owner I fully expect him to be a much better value...

Seriously though, I'm a little annoyed with Sproles' role in the Saints offense-but I do have faith that they will not be behind right out of the gate in every game. If they can grab leads early and not need to pass pass pass I think Ingram's value will skyrocket..

 

[travdogg]

Non-PPR: Ingram and I really don't think its all that close. He's only going to get better, and their trust in him will only get higher.

PPR: Its close, but I think I'd still lean toward Ingram.

 

[ThePittbully]

PPR without question I think Sproles is the better back to have, same goes for return leagues obviously. Non PPR I think it's a lot closer, and I'd probably stick with Ingram although I wouldn't criticize anyone who picked Sproles. Sproles has been a big part of this offense so far and I wouldn't expect that to change

 

[otis68]

Right now the saints offense is very limited when Ingram is in the game. Virtually all of his snaps are with a full back, and a majority of them are with two tight ends, so the defense knows what is coming when he's in the game. I don't think his season will really get rolling until they start stirring him into some more single back sets and begin running some play action with him.

Personally, I think Sproles will hold value all year. Although he's not going to score every week, I think he'll another 6-8 the rest of the way, and 5-6 grabs with 10 total touches a game seems probable. He's easily the most dynamic player for them right now, including graham, and he's killing the opposition.

 

[mphtrilogy]

I am of the opinion the offense will evolve to get Ingram max touches, to keep the defense stronger, and brees upright...

i epxect him to be a significant factor in the last 8 games of the season as he continues to adjust to the NFL level and playbook and the saints coaching staff figure out how to use him.

right now its still too tempting to let brees let 'er rip, but they know in the playoffs last year, that just does not work..

ingram will get his..

at least i am sure as hell hoping that to be the case....

he is my break glass in case of emrgency start if cj goes down.. 3 -2 - 1... er cj is very close to being swapped out soon..

 

[Lester Long]

I think we are seeing the highlight of Sproles season right now. I think little by little Ingram eventually becomes the better fantasy player with him getting many TD's before the year is over. I go with Ingram.

 

[Sabertooth]

Being an Ingram owner I fully expect him to be a much better value...Seriously though, I'm a little annoyed with Sproles' role in the Saints offense-but I do have faith that they will not be behind right out of the gate in every game. If they can grab leads early and not need to pass pass pass I think Ingram's value will skyrocket..

Pretty much this, except I think Sproles scores more points from here forward. Now if Sproles gets dinged, Ingram's value goes through up substantially because the kid can catch.

 

[unckeyherb]

Being an Ingram owner I fully expect him to be a much better value...Seriously though, I'm a little annoyed with Sproles' role in the Saints offense-but I do have faith that they will not be behind right out of the gate in every game. If they can grab leads early and not need to pass pass pass I think Ingram's value will skyrocket..

Pretty much this, except I think Sproles scores more points from here forward. Now if Sproles gets dinged, Ingram's value goes through up substantially because the kid can catch.

Thats why its so frustrating. Its not like Ingram has hands of stone, I really don't understand why Payton, an offensive guru, makes it so one-dimensional when he's Ingram in there. Brutal.

 

[belljr]

I have both in a PPR dyno. I've been rolling out both as starters the first 3 weeks. My rb's obviously stink That being said I think Sproles has hit his max early but PPR is still a solid play.

For this year on the saints I still think and hope Ingram holds more value in tradtional leagues but Sproles holds more in PPR.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

I own both in my PPR and Sproles is RB7 overall right now - Sure, there have been some favorable variables (playing from behind, injuries to the wide receivers, Ingram still wet behind the ears...), but despite all of that I think he remains a top 10-15 RB over the course of the year. I love Ingram, but unless Pierre gets injured I don't see him getting enough work to finish in that range.

I know the consensus is that they didn't trade up for Ingram to 'not' use him, but they clearly want to rotate him and Pierre right now. How is Ingram going to find a groove when his workload is so choppy? I'm starting to think that the odds of him blowing up and becoming the lead/dominant back we all thought he'd be won't happen until the postseason... and then next year he'll be the guy we wanted him to be this year. Seems to me like this is his "let's see what we have in him" year, they'll keep rotating him and Pierre all season - hoping to avoid injury to either one, and then going with the hot hand for the playoff run. The end result will be that Sproles ends the FF season as the highest ranked Saints RB.

 

[JFurby]

Very little Sproles love in here. In my PPR league with return yards, he is the third highest RB. A top 10th finish doesn't seem out of the question. In this format, I don't think the question is relevant.

In non-PPR, I like Ingram a little more but I don't expect him to eat into Sproles snaps much barring injury.

 

[GreenNGold]

No, I don't think you should trade Mark Ingram for Darren Sproles./thread

Why wouldn't you want to improve your team if given the chance? Just stubborn and/or bitter?Sproles > Ingram in both PPR and non-PPRSproles looks so fast and explosive every time he touches the ball.

 

[sbonomo]

Being an Ingram owner I fully expect him to be a much better value...Seriously though, I'm a little annoyed with Sproles' role in the Saints offense-but I do have faith that they will not be behind right out of the gate in every game. If they can grab leads early and not need to pass pass pass I think Ingram's value will skyrocket..

Pretty much this, except I think Sproles scores more points from here forward. Now if Sproles gets dinged, Ingram's value goes through up substantially because the kid can catch.

Thats why its so frustrating. Its not like Ingram has hands of stone, I really don't understand why Payton, an offensive guru, makes it so one-dimensional when he's Ingram in there. Brutal.

From a non FF perspective this has to be a joke. Sproles has had a great start to the year and continues to be electric...He is a threat to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball.

 

[footballnerd]

Sproles is top 10 in the league in targets this year. PPR def Sproles unless Pierre goes down. He is a top 10 stud for me in a return yardage league.

 

[mr roboto]

Sproles does more with less. Guys like that are trusted by the OC and QB. We saw how willing they were to use Bush over the years, and Sproles is better than Bush.

In any other offense, Ingram. In NO, even non-ppr, I like Sproles.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

Being an Ingram owner I fully expect him to be a much better value...Seriously though, I'm a little annoyed with Sproles' role in the Saints offense-but I do have faith that they will not be behind right out of the gate in every game. If they can grab leads early and not need to pass pass pass I think Ingram's value will skyrocket..

Pretty much this, except I think Sproles scores more points from here forward. Now if Sproles gets dinged, Ingram's value goes through up substantially because the kid can catch.

Thats why its so frustrating. Its not like Ingram has hands of stone, I really don't understand why Payton, an offensive guru, makes it so one-dimensional when he's Ingram in there. Brutal.

From a non FF perspective this has to be a joke. Sproles has had a great start to the year and continues to be electric...He is a threat to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball.

This. Sproles has been fantastic and theres no reason for the Saints to change their gameplan with him. Even Pierre Thomas has looked better than Ingram in-game.

 

[unckeyherb]

Thats why its so frustrating. Its not like Ingram has hands of stone, I really don't understand why Payton, an offensive guru, makes it so one-dimensional when he's Ingram in there. Brutal.

From a non FF perspective this has to be a joke. Sproles has had a great start to the year and continues to be electric...He is a threat to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball.

Right its a joke. Ingram, in his final two years of college, caught 53 passes for 616 yards. Why would you want to get him involved at all in the passing game? It makes much more sense to simply trot him out behind a fullback on obvious rushing plays only, right? Not to take anything away from Sproles, but Ingram is a very good receiver-why not utilize a skill set that he possesses? Also, if the defenses see that you may actually pass to him, perhaps they won't stack 27 people in the box anymore.But probably not.

 

[sbonomo]

Thats why its so frustrating. Its not like Ingram has hands of stone, I really don't understand why Payton, an offensive guru, makes it so one-dimensional when he's Ingram in there. Brutal.

From a non FF perspective this has to be a joke. Sproles has had a great start to the year and continues to be electric...He is a threat to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball.

Right its a joke. Ingram, in his final two years of college, caught 53 passes for 616 yards. Why would you want to get him involved at all in the passing game? It makes much more sense to simply trot him out behind a fullback on obvious rushing plays only, right? Not to take anything away from Sproles, but Ingram is a very good receiver-why not utilize a skill set that he possesses? Also, if the defenses see that you may actually pass to him, perhaps they won't stack 27 people in the box anymore.But probably not.

This isn't college anymore...ask the Heisman winners from the last few year about taking the step to the next level. Once again, i think you are missing the point. Sproles, at this point, is a much better receiver than Ingram. Case closed.

 

[unckeyherb]

This isn't college anymore...ask the Heisman winners from the last few year about taking the step to the next level. Once again, i think you are missing the point. Sproles, at this point, is a much better receiver than Ingram. Case closed.

So you think that having the ability to pass to a RB on third down is better than having the ability to pass to a RB on 1st 2nd and 3rd? Where did I say that Ingram should replace Sproles? I said I think Ingram's talents are being wasted when the entire world knows they are going to pound him up the middle. If you can start introducing play action with him, then defenses can't key in on the run and he, along with the rest of the offense will run far more efficiently.Do you really not get what I am saying?

 

[GreenNGold]

This isn't college anymore...ask the Heisman winners from the last few year about taking the step to the next level. Once again, i think you are missing the point. Sproles, at this point, is a much better receiver than Ingram. Case closed.

So you think that having the ability to pass to a RB on third down is better than having the ability to pass to a RB on 1st 2nd and 3rd? Where did I say that Ingram should replace Sproles? I said I think Ingram's talents are being wasted when the entire world knows they are going to pound him up the middle. If you can start introducing play action with him, then defenses can't key in on the run and he, along with the rest of the offense will run far more efficiently.Do you really not get what I am saying?

The offense is 3rd in the league in points, and 2nd in the league in yards, looks pretty efficient to me.

 

[otis68]

Thats why its so frustrating. Its not like Ingram has hands of stone, I really don't understand why Payton, an offensive guru, makes it so one-dimensional when he's Ingram in there. Brutal.

From a non FF perspective this has to be a joke. Sproles has had a great start to the year and continues to be electric...He is a threat to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball.

Right its a joke. Ingram, in his final two years of college, caught 53 passes for 616 yards. Why would you want to get him involved at all in the passing game? It makes much more sense to simply trot him out behind a fullback on obvious rushing plays only, right? Not to take anything away from Sproles, but Ingram is a very good receiver-why not utilize a skill set that he possesses? Also, if the defenses see that you may actually pass to him, perhaps they won't stack 27 people in the box anymore.But probably not.

At some point you have to watch a game. Ingram cannot do what sproles does in the passing game. Nor can Sproles be a complete, high volume power back like Ingram. The are very complementary players. Throw in Thomas, who can do a bit of both, but not as well as either, and you've got a great running back rotation, that hopefully will stay healthy all year.

 

[unckeyherb]

This isn't college anymore...ask the Heisman winners from the last few year about taking the step to the next level. Once again, i think you are missing the point. Sproles, at this point, is a much better receiver than Ingram. Case closed.

So you think that having the ability to pass to a RB on third down is better than having the ability to pass to a RB on 1st 2nd and 3rd? Where did I say that Ingram should replace Sproles? I said I think Ingram's talents are being wasted when the entire world knows they are going to pound him up the middle. If you can start introducing play action with him, then defenses can't key in on the run and he, along with the rest of the offense will run far more efficiently.Do you really not get what I am saying?

The offense is 3rd in the league in points, and 2nd in the league in yards, looks pretty efficient to me.

Always room to improve. How many times has ingram even been targeted this year? 1 or 2? maybe 3?

 

[FantasyTrader]

Thats why its so frustrating. Its not like Ingram has hands of stone, I really don't understand why Payton, an offensive guru, makes it so one-dimensional when he's Ingram in there. Brutal.

From a non FF perspective this has to be a joke. Sproles has had a great start to the year and continues to be electric...He is a threat to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball.

Right its a joke. Ingram, in his final two years of college, caught 53 passes for 616 yards. Why would you want to get him involved at all in the passing game? It makes much more sense to simply trot him out behind a fullback on obvious rushing plays only, right? Not to take anything away from Sproles, but Ingram is a very good receiver-why not utilize a skill set that he possesses? Also, if the defenses see that you may actually pass to him, perhaps they won't stack 27 people in the box anymore.But probably not.

This isn't college anymore...ask the Heisman winners from the last few year about taking the step to the next level. Once again, i think you are missing the point. Sproles, at this point, is a much better receiver than Ingram. Case closed.

He's not the one missing the point.