Brownsfan07
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Is Eli Manning. He supposedly sucks based on national media, and yet he was the guy who beat tom brady and the cheatriots.
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please take your fishing trips to another forum. Thank you.
Andy Dufresne
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Offense - Clinton Portis
Defense - Trent Cole
Defense - Trent Cole
Brownsfan07
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he is actually overrated, and he's garbage as it is.
I thought it was Tiki's motivational speeches.
I'll give a shout out to Joseph Addai. He's not underrated in fantasy but in NFL terms I think he is.
People seem to think he's generally pretty replaceable, I disagree I think he is a key cog in that offense and people just think he's replaceable because he replaced Edge so it must be the system more than the player. I just don't think he gets the respect that he deserves(pro-bowl aside.)
Historically speaking, Tim Brown was incredibly underrated. He played with nothing but average(usually worse) QB's and still put up excellent numbers for over a decade. Yet you rarely hear his name among talks about the best WR's of the last 20 years or so. Baffles me.
People seem to think he's generally pretty replaceable, I disagree I think he is a key cog in that offense and people just think he's replaceable because he replaced Edge so it must be the system more than the player. I just don't think he gets the respect that he deserves(pro-bowl aside.)
Historically speaking, Tim Brown was incredibly underrated. He played with nothing but average(usually worse) QB's and still put up excellent numbers for over a decade. Yet you rarely hear his name among talks about the best WR's of the last 20 years or so. Baffles me.
I'd be hard pressed to find a more ignorant post than this.
Andy Dufresne
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FUBAR
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Brownsfan07
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FavreCo
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If you think it's mine, that's BS!!!!!. He's a rip off of FavreCo. I don't need an alias. I hate everyone anyway. Dufresne knows that.
Pretty sure you argued he wasn't in one of your other 4,000 threads.
bcr8f
Footballguy
He sucks based on people dumb enough to draft him too(like me).
Brownsfan07
Footballguy
fixed!
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Defense - EJ Henderson. Sure tackler and the hardest hitting LB in the league IMO.
Offense - Kevin Faulk. Sure handed pass catcher and smart. Always knowns exactly where the first down marker is on every play.
Offense - Kevin Faulk. Sure handed pass catcher and smart. Always knowns exactly where the first down marker is on every play.
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jurb26
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I've said this for a few years now.
It really is amazing how underrated this guy is. All I know is every time I watch NE play, this guy has a habit of making the critical catch, block, yard, run or whatever.
jurb26
Footballguy
Garrard was playing with the #2 ranked rushing offense around him. I think that has a great deal to do with his limited turnovers. Not too mention that it probably means this offense is anything but average.
I'm not going to post in both threads, so here's my take...
QB
Overrated - Derek Anderson
Underrated - Ben Roethlisberger
RB
Overrated - Reggie Bush
Underrated - Julius Jones
WR
Overrated - Roy Williams
Underrated - Andre Johnson
TE
Overrated - Jeremy Shockey
Underrated - Heath Miller
Team Defense
Overrated - Baltimore
Underrated - Houston
QB
Overrated - Derek Anderson
Underrated - Ben Roethlisberger
RB
Overrated - Reggie Bush
Underrated - Julius Jones
WR
Overrated - Roy Williams
Underrated - Andre Johnson
TE
Overrated - Jeremy Shockey
Underrated - Heath Miller
Team Defense
Overrated - Baltimore
Underrated - Houston
Andy Herron
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Donald Driver, maybe.
Of course, with Favre gone, this could change. It just seems he had gone quietly unnoticed for so long, but yet when you look in the stat box he was always near the top. Top 10 vicinity anyway. And he did it catching those Favre balls as well. Can't discount that, or the number of fingers he has broken catching them.
Of course, with Favre gone, this could change. It just seems he had gone quietly unnoticed for so long, but yet when you look in the stat box he was always near the top. Top 10 vicinity anyway. And he did it catching those Favre balls as well. Can't discount that, or the number of fingers he has broken catching them.
Andy Herron
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I'll go along with ALOT of that. Andre Johnson, in particular, had come to mind for me as well before I posted Donald Driver.
TheLastDispatch
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SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Oh yeah because Ladelle Betts took his job right? No? Then he really cut into Portis's carries then.
The Man with the Plan
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Derrick Burgess is underrated but that's mainly because he plays for a crappy Raiders team. He's averaged nearly 12 sacks a season over the last 3 years.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
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Have you ever watched a Cowboys game? Jones makes getting dropped behind the line for a loss an artform. I hope the Seattle fans aren't expecting many TDs from him. I can't tell you how many times I saw him get stuffed on first and second down at the goaline.
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Underrated in 2007 in that they significantly outplayed their 2007 fantasy draft position:
QB Ben Roethlisberger Matt Hasselbeck and Kurt Warner
RB Brian Westbrook, Ronnie Brown, Adrian Peterson (I got him in round 4), Jamal Lewis (I thought he was dead), Clinton Portis
WR Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Braylon Edwards, Greg Jennings, Brandon Marshall
TE Chris Cooley
QB Ben Roethlisberger Matt Hasselbeck and Kurt Warner
RB Brian Westbrook, Ronnie Brown, Adrian Peterson (I got him in round 4), Jamal Lewis (I thought he was dead), Clinton Portis
WR Randy Moss, Andre Johnson, Braylon Edwards, Greg Jennings, Brandon Marshall
TE Chris Cooley
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a_troll00
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The most underrated QB: Phillip Rivers
I said this in another thread, and I'll say it again here. He really turned a corner in the playoffs. His passes were good and accurate and they were going vertical up and down the field. His decision making was sound, and he finally started finding his wide receivers. He hit a wide open Vincent Jackson time and again and Chris Chambers is once again poised to be a terrific fantasy wide receiver.
Phillip Rivers could be this years steal as a fantasy QB. His only limitation is the amount of pass attempts he gets. However, if LT starts showing signs of wear and tear, passing attempts could be up this year.
I said this in another thread, and I'll say it again here. He really turned a corner in the playoffs. His passes were good and accurate and they were going vertical up and down the field. His decision making was sound, and he finally started finding his wide receivers. He hit a wide open Vincent Jackson time and again and Chris Chambers is once again poised to be a terrific fantasy wide receiver.
Phillip Rivers could be this years steal as a fantasy QB. His only limitation is the amount of pass attempts he gets. However, if LT starts showing signs of wear and tear, passing attempts could be up this year.
comfortably numb
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ADP
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Veterans
Overated
Offense : Reggie Bush
Defense: Roy Williams, Troy Polamalu, Nate Clements (overpaid)
Underated
Offense: Andre Johnson, Wes Welker
Defense: Aaron Kampman, Richard Marshall
Rookies
Overated
Offense: Darren McFadden, Joe Flacco
Defense: Vernon Gholston, Derrick Harvey
Underated
Offense: Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Limas Sweed
Underrated: Cliff Avril, Xavier Adibi
Overated
Offense : Reggie Bush
Defense: Roy Williams, Troy Polamalu, Nate Clements (overpaid)
Underated
Offense: Andre Johnson, Wes Welker
Defense: Aaron Kampman, Richard Marshall
Rookies
Overated
Offense: Darren McFadden, Joe Flacco
Defense: Vernon Gholston, Derrick Harvey
Underated
Offense: Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Limas Sweed
Underrated: Cliff Avril, Xavier Adibi
FunkyPlutos
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Nate Burleson.
He was the #27 fantasy WR last year, and now the Seahawks have lost Hackett and Branch won't be back (probably) for the start of the season and he is the #77 dynasty WR (according to FBG).
That is underrated!
He was the #27 fantasy WR last year, and now the Seahawks have lost Hackett and Branch won't be back (probably) for the start of the season and he is the #77 dynasty WR (according to FBG).
That is underrated!
Chachi
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Underrated:
Eli Manning, Jemarcus Russell, Laurence Maroney, Travis Henry, Chad Johnson, Roddy White, Dwayne Bowe
Overrated:
Derek Anderson, Phillip Rivers, Rudi Johnson, DeAngelo Williams, Brandon Marshall(Not on talent), Roy Williams
Underrated rookies:
Matt Ryan, Chad Henne, Darren McFadden, Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles, Mike Hart, Malcolm Kelly, Desean Jackson
Overrated rookies:
Matt Forte, Ryan Torain, Kevin Smith,
Eli Manning, Jemarcus Russell, Laurence Maroney, Travis Henry, Chad Johnson, Roddy White, Dwayne Bowe
Overrated:
Derek Anderson, Phillip Rivers, Rudi Johnson, DeAngelo Williams, Brandon Marshall(Not on talent), Roy Williams
Underrated rookies:
Matt Ryan, Chad Henne, Darren McFadden, Ray Rice, Jamaal Charles, Mike Hart, Malcolm Kelly, Desean Jackson
Overrated rookies:
Matt Forte, Ryan Torain, Kevin Smith,
Anderson was a pro-bowler in 2007, so that automatically makes him one to watch. After having four 100+ QB rating games in the first half of 07, Anderson had only one game with a QB rating of more than 85 after week 8 last year. It's no secret that he slowed after the halfway point. Did the honeymoon wear off? Was the 2nd half of last year a foreshadowing of how the rest of his career will be? I'm thinking the likelihood that he'll be equal or better in 2008 is not that good.As for Ben Roethlisberger. Here's a guy who has improved in fantasy QB rankings each year he has been in the league (20, 18, 12, 5). Last year he went from averaging 17 TDs to 32 TDs. Perhaps Cowher's style of smash mouth football, slowed down Big Ben? Maybe the real Ben Roethlisberger is capable of putting up big numbers every year, as long as the offensive game plan remains the same - and that's pass inside the red zone, not run (34 pass TDs vs. only 9 rush TDs in 2007). With the additions of Rashard Mendenhall and Limas Sweed entering the fray along with veteran Hines Ward, emerging star Santonio Holmes and the improving Heath Miller, there's no reason to think that Roethlisberger won't be equal if not better than he was in 2007. IMO, that's the epitome of underrated.Interested in rationale for these.Just exactly how highly rated is Anderson, and how overrated does that make him?Just exactly how lowly rated is Roethlisberger, and how underrated does that make him?
The Jacket
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Underrated: the NFL leader in tackles for a loss (by quite a margin, I might add).
Who? Exactly.
Derrick Johnson, LB - KC.
Who? Exactly.
Derrick Johnson, LB - KC.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
That's an upgrade for us, SA would lose a yard.Have you ever watched a Cowboys game? Jones makes getting dropped behind the line for a loss an artform. I hope the Seattle fans aren't expecting many TDs from him. I can't tell you how many times I saw him get stuffed on first and second down at the goaline.
Fallerjw
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Plenty of reason to think Big Ben won't match last year's totals. Here's the big one:In the past 6 years, a QB has thrown for 32 TDs.............7 times. That includes Manning and Brady's career years. 2 of the last 6 years it didn't happen at all.Anderson was a pro-bowler in 2007, so that automatically makes him one to watch. After having four 100+ QB rating games in the first half of 07, Anderson had only one game with a QB rating of more than 85 after week 8 last year. It's no secret that he slowed after the halfway point. Did the honeymoon wear off? Was the 2nd half of last year a foreshadowing of how the rest of his career will be? I'm thinking the likelihood that he'll be equal or better in 2008 is not that good.As for Ben Roethlisberger. Here's a guy who has improved in fantasy QB rankings each year he has been in the league (20, 18, 12, 5). Last year he went from averaging 17 TDs to 32 TDs. Perhaps Cowher's style of smash mouth football, slowed down Big Ben? Maybe the real Ben Roethlisberger is capable of putting up big numbers every year, as long as the offensive game plan remains the same - and that's pass inside the red zone, not run (34 pass TDs vs. only 9 rush TDs in 2007). With the additions of Rashard Mendenhall and Limas Sweed entering the fray along with veteran Hines Ward, emerging star Santonio Holmes and the improving Heath Miller, there's no reason to think that Roethlisberger won't be equal if not better than he was in 2007. IMO, that's the epitome of underrated.Interested in rationale for these.Just exactly how highly rated is Anderson, and how overrated does that make him?Just exactly how lowly rated is Roethlisberger, and how underrated does that make him?
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Post of the thread here. Hit the nail on the head. Could start off rusty this year of the ACL, but with those (veteran) weapons around him, I'm looking for big things into the future. (next 3-4 years)
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FUBAR
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A return to the mean is to be expected, not a full drop back to 17 TDs, but Ben may not approach 30.However, his big play threat is entering his 3rd year, Hines isn't done yet, Sweed gives him a big WR he wants, Miller s a good TE, he has the weapons to work with. He's quickly becoming one of the elite QBs in the league, 3500/25/12 is a reasonable projection given what the staff is giving him on offense.Plenty of reason to think Big Ben won't match last year's totals. Here's the big one:In the past 6 years, a QB has thrown for 32 TDs.............7 times. That includes Manning and Brady's career years. 2 of the last 6 years it didn't happen at all.Anderson was a pro-bowler in 2007, so that automatically makes him one to watch. After having four 100+ QB rating games in the first half of 07, Anderson had only one game with a QB rating of more than 85 after week 8 last year. It's no secret that he slowed after the halfway point. Did the honeymoon wear off? Was the 2nd half of last year a foreshadowing of how the rest of his career will be? I'm thinking the likelihood that he'll be equal or better in 2008 is not that good.As for Ben Roethlisberger. Here's a guy who has improved in fantasy QB rankings each year he has been in the league (20, 18, 12, 5). Last year he went from averaging 17 TDs to 32 TDs. Perhaps Cowher's style of smash mouth football, slowed down Big Ben? Maybe the real Ben Roethlisberger is capable of putting up big numbers every year, as long as the offensive game plan remains the same - and that's pass inside the red zone, not run (34 pass TDs vs. only 9 rush TDs in 2007). With the additions of Rashard Mendenhall and Limas Sweed entering the fray along with veteran Hines Ward, emerging star Santonio Holmes and the improving Heath Miller, there's no reason to think that Roethlisberger won't be equal if not better than he was in 2007. IMO, that's the epitome of underrated.Interested in rationale for these.Just exactly how highly rated is Anderson, and how overrated does that make him?Just exactly how lowly rated is Roethlisberger, and how underrated does that make him?
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Fallerjw
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I agree. He does have some weapons, and that 3500/25 is more realistice than matching his numbers from last year.A return to the mean is to be expected, not a full drop back to 17 TDs, but Ben may not approach 30.However, his big play threat is entering his 3rd year, Hines isn't done yet, Sweed gives him a big WR he wants, Miller s a good TE, he has the weapons to work with. He's quickly becoming one of the elite QBs in the league, 3500/25/12 is a reasonable projection given what the staff is giving him on offense.Plenty of reason to think Big Ben won't match last year's totals. Here's the big one:In the past 6 years, a QB has thrown for 32 TDs.............7 times. That includes Manning and Brady's career years. 2 of the last 6 years it didn't happen at all.Anderson was a pro-bowler in 2007, so that automatically makes him one to watch. After having four 100+ QB rating games in the first half of 07, Anderson had only one game with a QB rating of more than 85 after week 8 last year. It's no secret that he slowed after the halfway point. Did the honeymoon wear off? Was the 2nd half of last year a foreshadowing of how the rest of his career will be? I'm thinking the likelihood that he'll be equal or better in 2008 is not that good.As for Ben Roethlisberger. Here's a guy who has improved in fantasy QB rankings each year he has been in the league (20, 18, 12, 5). Last year he went from averaging 17 TDs to 32 TDs. Perhaps Cowher's style of smash mouth football, slowed down Big Ben? Maybe the real Ben Roethlisberger is capable of putting up big numbers every year, as long as the offensive game plan remains the same - and that's pass inside the red zone, not run (34 pass TDs vs. only 9 rush TDs in 2007). With the additions of Rashard Mendenhall and Limas Sweed entering the fray along with veteran Hines Ward, emerging star Santonio Holmes and the improving Heath Miller, there's no reason to think that Roethlisberger won't be equal if not better than he was in 2007. IMO, that's the epitome of underrated.Interested in rationale for these.Just exactly how highly rated is Anderson, and how overrated does that make him?Just exactly how lowly rated is Roethlisberger, and how underrated does that make him?
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I don't know if Cole is underrated anymore since he made the ProBowl last year. I think the underrated label would now have to go to Sheldon Brown for the Eagles. He's been nothing but solid, some year playing better than Lito (when Lito plays).
