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[I Am Rick James]

The most underrated QB: Phillip RiversI said this in another thread, and I'll say it again here. He really turned a corner in the playoffs. His passes were good and accurate and they were going vertical up and down the field. His decision making was sound, and he finally started finding his wide receivers. He hit a wide open Vincent Jackson time and again and Chris Chambers is once again poised to be a terrific fantasy wide receiver.Phillip Rivers could be this years steal as a fantasy QB. His only limitation is the amount of pass attempts he gets. However, if LT starts showing signs of wear and tear, passing attempts could be up this year.

Post of the thread here. Hit the nail on the head. Could start off rusty this year of the ACL, but with those (veteran) weapons around him, I'm looking for big things into the future. (next 3-4 years)

I feel like I am the only guy who actually watched Rivers last year. As an LT owner, I watched Rivers every single week in HD during the regular season and I got to say, HE SUCKED! I rarerly have seen a QB miss more easy passes. The only reason he looked good his rookie year is because Marty gameplanned aroung his newb QB. He did look very good in his playoff loss however.Am I the only one who thinks this team gets to the SB with Breese?

 

[switz]

Joseph Addai.

It is continually said on these boards that he's a no talent schmuck that would be a backup on other teams. Yet he was a first round pick by arguably one of the best talent evaluators in the NFL. He already, in his short career, has a 100 yard rushing 100 yard receiving game. He has never fails to reach 1,000 yards, despite sharing time his rookie season, and missing a game his second season playing behind a line decimated by injuries and on an offense missing one of its top weapons.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

J. Cotchery is hands down the most underrated offensive player in the entire league I said it last year and I am repeating myself again.

Here is the list of guys coming off of back to back 82 + reception years in the NFL from 2006 to 2007:

C. Johnson

T. Holt

Houshy

R. Wayne

S. Smith

K. Winslow

J. Cothcery

There is an exclusive list of 7 guys that have been able to stay healthy enough and be consistent enough to have back to back 82 reception years from 2006 to 2007. Sure Cothcery is not as flashy as these guys and his ypc is a little low as well as his TD's, but this guy continuously gets shoved aside as a fantasy player. Heck, many common fans may not even know his name yet.

Cotchery still 25 until next month is one of the better young WR's in the game and people don't give him the credit he deserves.

 

[Tau837]

The most underrated QB: Phillip Rivers

I said this in another thread, and I'll say it again here. He really turned a corner in the playoffs. His passes were good and accurate and they were going vertical up and down the field. His decision making was sound, and he finally started finding his wide receivers. He hit a wide open Vincent Jackson time and again and Chris Chambers is once again poised to be a terrific fantasy wide receiver.

Phillip Rivers could be this years steal as a fantasy QB. His only limitation is the amount of pass attempts he gets. However, if LT starts showing signs of wear and tear, passing attempts could be up this year.

Post of the thread here. Hit the nail on the head. Could start off rusty this year of the ACL, but with those (veteran) weapons around him, I'm looking for big things into the future. (next 3-4 years)

I feel like I am the only guy who actually watched Rivers last year. As an LT owner, I watched Rivers every single week in HD during the regular season and I got to say, HE SUCKED! I rarerly have seen a QB miss more easy passes. The only reason he looked good his rookie year is because Marty gameplanned aroung his newb QB. He did look very good in his playoff loss however.Am I the only one who thinks this team gets to the SB with Breese?

Rivers certainly regressed last year, no doubt. Personally, I attribute a good bit of that to (a) a new coaching staff and system and (b) offensive line struggles. Still, he deserves plenty of blame for regressing.However, your bolded statement gives him no credit for a Pro Bowl performance in 2006, and is just flat wrong. He was inconsistent as a first year starter in 2006, not particularly uncommon for first year starting QBs... but overall he played well in 2006. I mean, if it was all credit due to Marty in 2006, why haven't all of Marty's QBs been Pro Bowlers?

And Rivers' playoff performance this past season was very impressive IMO. I think he will continue to improve as a QB. I am probably the biggest pro-Rivers poster on these boards, though, and I admit my bias. I anticipate he may start slowly this year due to his knee, but he could be a very nice option during the second half.

As for your statement about Brees, I definitely do not think the Chargers would have made the Super Bowl in either 2006 or 2007 with Brees instead of Rivers.

 

[I Am Rick James]

The most underrated QB: Phillip Rivers

I said this in another thread, and I'll say it again here. He really turned a corner in the playoffs. His passes were good and accurate and they were going vertical up and down the field. His decision making was sound, and he finally started finding his wide receivers. He hit a wide open Vincent Jackson time and again and Chris Chambers is once again poised to be a terrific fantasy wide receiver.

Phillip Rivers could be this years steal as a fantasy QB. His only limitation is the amount of pass attempts he gets. However, if LT starts showing signs of wear and tear, passing attempts could be up this year.

Post of the thread here. Hit the nail on the head. Could start off rusty this year of the ACL, but with those (veteran) weapons around him, I'm looking for big things into the future. (next 3-4 years)

I feel like I am the only guy who actually watched Rivers last year. As an LT owner, I watched Rivers every single week in HD during the regular season and I got to say, HE SUCKED! I rarerly have seen a QB miss more easy passes. The only reason he looked good his rookie year is because Marty gameplanned aroung his newb QB. He did look very good in his playoff loss however.Am I the only one who thinks this team gets to the SB with Breese?

Rivers certainly regressed last year, no doubt. Personally, I attribute a good bit of that to (a) a new coaching staff and system and (b) offensive line struggles. Still, he deserves plenty of blame for regressing.However, your bolded statement gives him no credit for a Pro Bowl performance in 2006, and is just flat wrong. He was inconsistent as a first year starter in 2006, not particularly uncommon for first year starting QBs... but overall he played well in 2006. I mean, if it was all credit due to Marty in 2006, why haven't all of Marty's QBs been Pro Bowlers?

And Rivers' playoff performance this past season was very impressive IMO. I think he will continue to improve as a QB. I am probably the biggest pro-Rivers poster on these boards, though, and I admit my bias. I anticipate he may start slowly this year due to his knee, but he could be a very nice option during the second half.

As for your statement about Brees, I definitely do not think the Chargers would have made the Super Bowl in either 2006 or 2007 with Brees instead of Rivers.

He didn't just regress, he was aweful. I thought I was taking crazy pills when Rivers would throw screen passes into the back of LT's helmet even though he was unpressured. Or when a wide open Gates couldn't get to so many short and medium floaters, again many unpressured.I stand by my statement that Marty gameplanned around him. Rivers may have been one of the poorest Pro Bowlers in a long time. Can somebody look up his '06 stats so I can back up these statements.

 

[Tau837]

The most underrated QB: Phillip Rivers

I said this in another thread, and I'll say it again here. He really turned a corner in the playoffs. His passes were good and accurate and they were going vertical up and down the field. His decision making was sound, and he finally started finding his wide receivers. He hit a wide open Vincent Jackson time and again and Chris Chambers is once again poised to be a terrific fantasy wide receiver.

Phillip Rivers could be this years steal as a fantasy QB. His only limitation is the amount of pass attempts he gets. However, if LT starts showing signs of wear and tear, passing attempts could be up this year.

Post of the thread here. Hit the nail on the head. Could start off rusty this year of the ACL, but with those (veteran) weapons around him, I'm looking for big things into the future. (next 3-4 years)

I feel like I am the only guy who actually watched Rivers last year. As an LT owner, I watched Rivers every single week in HD during the regular season and I got to say, HE SUCKED! I rarerly have seen a QB miss more easy passes. The only reason he looked good his rookie year is because Marty gameplanned aroung his newb QB. He did look very good in his playoff loss however.Am I the only one who thinks this team gets to the SB with Breese?

Rivers certainly regressed last year, no doubt. Personally, I attribute a good bit of that to (a) a new coaching staff and system and (b) offensive line struggles. Still, he deserves plenty of blame for regressing.However, your bolded statement gives him no credit for a Pro Bowl performance in 2006, and is just flat wrong. He was inconsistent as a first year starter in 2006, not particularly uncommon for first year starting QBs... but overall he played well in 2006. I mean, if it was all credit due to Marty in 2006, why haven't all of Marty's QBs been Pro Bowlers?

And Rivers' playoff performance this past season was very impressive IMO. I think he will continue to improve as a QB. I am probably the biggest pro-Rivers poster on these boards, though, and I admit my bias. I anticipate he may start slowly this year due to his knee, but he could be a very nice option during the second half.

As for your statement about Brees, I definitely do not think the Chargers would have made the Super Bowl in either 2006 or 2007 with Brees instead of Rivers.

He didn't just regress, he was aweful. I thought I was taking crazy pills when Rivers would throw screen passes into the back of LT's helmet even though he was unpressured. Or when a wide open Gates couldn't get to so many short and medium floaters, again many unpressured.I stand by my statement that Marty gameplanned around him. Rivers may have been one of the poorest Pro Bowlers in a long time. Can somebody look up his '06 stats so I can back up these statements.

You can stand by your statement about 2006 all you want, it's still wrong. Here are his stats from the past two seasons:2006 SDG 16 games, 284/460 (61.7%), 3388 passing yards (7.4 ypa), 22 TDs, 9 interceptions, 92.0 QB rating

2007 SDG 16 games, 277/460 (60.2%), 3152 passing yards (6.9 ypa), 21 TDs, 15 interceptions, 82.4 QB rating

They don't support your characterization of his play last year either. Like I said, he regressed, but he was still roughly average. For example, he was 18th in QB rating, 0.1 behind Derek Anderson.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

J. Cotchery is hands down the most underrated offensive player in the entire league I said it last year and I am repeating myself again.Here is the list of guys coming off of back to back 82 + reception years in the NFL from 2006 to 2007:C. JohnsonT. HoltHoushyR. WayneS. Smith K. WinslowJ. CothceryThere is an exclusive list of 7 guys that have been able to stay healthy enough and be consistent enough to have back to back 82 reception years from 2006 to 2007. Sure Cothcery is not as flashy as these guys and his ypc is a little low as well as his TD's, but this guy continuously gets shoved aside as a fantasy player. Heck, many common fans may not even know his name yet.Cotchery still 25 until next month is one of the better young WR's in the game and people don't give him the credit he deserves.

 

[Garts]

Julius Jones underrated???

Huh?

 

[I Am Rick James]

The most underrated QB: Phillip Rivers

I said this in another thread, and I'll say it again here. He really turned a corner in the playoffs. His passes were good and accurate and they were going vertical up and down the field. His decision making was sound, and he finally started finding his wide receivers. He hit a wide open Vincent Jackson time and again and Chris Chambers is once again poised to be a terrific fantasy wide receiver.

Phillip Rivers could be this years steal as a fantasy QB. His only limitation is the amount of pass attempts he gets. However, if LT starts showing signs of wear and tear, passing attempts could be up this year.

Post of the thread here. Hit the nail on the head. Could start off rusty this year of the ACL, but with those (veteran) weapons around him, I'm looking for big things into the future. (next 3-4 years)

I feel like I am the only guy who actually watched Rivers last year. As an LT owner, I watched Rivers every single week in HD during the regular season and I got to say, HE SUCKED! I rarerly have seen a QB miss more easy passes. The only reason he looked good his rookie year is because Marty gameplanned aroung his newb QB. He did look very good in his playoff loss however.Am I the only one who thinks this team gets to the SB with Breese?

Rivers certainly regressed last year, no doubt. Personally, I attribute a good bit of that to (a) a new coaching staff and system and (b) offensive line struggles. Still, he deserves plenty of blame for regressing.However, your bolded statement gives him no credit for a Pro Bowl performance in 2006, and is just flat wrong. He was inconsistent as a first year starter in 2006, not particularly uncommon for first year starting QBs... but overall he played well in 2006. I mean, if it was all credit due to Marty in 2006, why haven't all of Marty's QBs been Pro Bowlers?

And Rivers' playoff performance this past season was very impressive IMO. I think he will continue to improve as a QB. I am probably the biggest pro-Rivers poster on these boards, though, and I admit my bias. I anticipate he may start slowly this year due to his knee, but he could be a very nice option during the second half.

As for your statement about Brees, I definitely do not think the Chargers would have made the Super Bowl in either 2006 or 2007 with Brees instead of Rivers.

He didn't just regress, he was aweful. I thought I was taking crazy pills when Rivers would throw screen passes into the back of LT's helmet even though he was unpressured. Or when a wide open Gates couldn't get to so many short and medium floaters, again many unpressured.I stand by my statement that Marty gameplanned around him. Rivers may have been one of the poorest Pro Bowlers in a long time. Can somebody look up his '06 stats so I can back up these statements.

You can stand by your statement about 2006 all you want, it's still wrong. Here are his stats from the past two seasons:2006 SDG 16 games, 284/460 (61.7%), 3388 passing yards (7.4 ypa), 22 TDs, 9 interceptions, 92.0 QB rating

2007 SDG 16 games, 277/460 (60.2%), 3152 passing yards (6.9 ypa), 21 TDs, 15 interceptions, 82.4 QB rating

They don't support your characterization of his play last year either. Like I said, he regressed, but he was still roughly average. For example, he was 18th in QB rating, 0.1 behind Derek Anderson.

Roughly average? His team isn't average, it's loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for. Average = flop in this case.When he went to the PB in '06 he was the 8th ranked QB and the 4th ranked QB in the AFC. LT scored 30+ TD's in '06? Every defensive player Rivers faced was focused of LT and not him. That's was Marty's hide the newb gameplan by design.

He regressed last year because that is who he has been all along. And as LT gets older, Rivers will become even more exposed.

Plus, he crys just like a little girl and for that, there is no forgiveness.

 

[switz]

Roughly average? His team isn't average, it's loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for. Average = flop in this case.

Really? Prior to Chris Chambers coming over part way through last season, who did he have at WR???? Terrell Owns, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, Lee Evans, Anquan Boldin, Fitz, Burress, Bowe, Holmes, Ward, Edwards, ummm... just trying to think of what great weapons he had - no ait, not great, the BEST.Oh, LT. Yes, he's a great weapon, for dumping off the ball, but he's not a downfield passing threat. Gates? Wasn't he injured? And still, when your TE is your #1 receiving threat, it's tough to say you're "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for" - that's ludicrous!!

 

[a_troll00]

The most underrated QB: Phillip Rivers

I said this in another thread, and I'll say it again here. He really turned a corner in the playoffs. His passes were good and accurate and they were going vertical up and down the field. His decision making was sound, and he finally started finding his wide receivers. He hit a wide open Vincent Jackson time and again and Chris Chambers is once again poised to be a terrific fantasy wide receiver.

Phillip Rivers could be this years steal as a fantasy QB. His only limitation is the amount of pass attempts he gets. However, if LT starts showing signs of wear and tear, passing attempts could be up this year.

Post of the thread here. Hit the nail on the head. Could start off rusty this year of the ACL, but with those (veteran) weapons around him, I'm looking for big things into the future. (next 3-4 years)

I feel like I am the only guy who actually watched Rivers last year. As an LT owner, I watched Rivers every single week in HD during the regular season and I got to say, HE SUCKED! I rarerly have seen a QB miss more easy passes. The only reason he looked good his rookie year is because Marty gameplanned aroung his newb QB. He did look very good in his playoff loss however.Am I the only one who thinks this team gets to the SB with Breese?

Rivers certainly regressed last year, no doubt. Personally, I attribute a good bit of that to (a) a new coaching staff and system and (b) offensive line struggles. Still, he deserves plenty of blame for regressing.However, your bolded statement gives him no credit for a Pro Bowl performance in 2006, and is just flat wrong. He was inconsistent as a first year starter in 2006, not particularly uncommon for first year starting QBs... but overall he played well in 2006. I mean, if it was all credit due to Marty in 2006, why haven't all of Marty's QBs been Pro Bowlers?

And Rivers' playoff performance this past season was very impressive IMO. I think he will continue to improve as a QB. I am probably the biggest pro-Rivers poster on these boards, though, and I admit my bias. I anticipate he may start slowly this year due to his knee, but he could be a very nice option during the second half.

As for your statement about Brees, I definitely do not think the Chargers would have made the Super Bowl in either 2006 or 2007 with Brees instead of Rivers.

He didn't just regress, he was aweful. I thought I was taking crazy pills when Rivers would throw screen passes into the back of LT's helmet even though he was unpressured. Or when a wide open Gates couldn't get to so many short and medium floaters, again many unpressured.I stand by my statement that Marty gameplanned around him. Rivers may have been one of the poorest Pro Bowlers in a long time. Can somebody look up his '06 stats so I can back up these statements.

You can stand by your statement about 2006 all you want, it's still wrong. Here are his stats from the past two seasons:2006 SDG 16 games, 284/460 (61.7%), 3388 passing yards (7.4 ypa), 22 TDs, 9 interceptions, 92.0 QB rating

2007 SDG 16 games, 277/460 (60.2%), 3152 passing yards (6.9 ypa), 21 TDs, 15 interceptions, 82.4 QB rating

They don't support your characterization of his play last year either. Like I said, he regressed, but he was still roughly average. For example, he was 18th in QB rating, 0.1 behind Derek Anderson.

Roughly average? His team isn't average, it's loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for. Average = flop in this case.When he went to the PB in '06 he was the 8th ranked QB and the 4th ranked QB in the AFC. LT scored 30+ TD's in '06? Every defensive player Rivers faced was focused of LT and not him. That's was Marty's hide the newb gameplan by design.

He regressed last year because that is who he has been all along. And as LT gets older, Rivers will become even more exposed.

Plus, he crys just like a little girl and for that, there is no forgiveness.

Did you notice his playoff numbers?Week 18 vs TEN: 19/30 292 yds 1td/1int

Week 19 vs IND: 14/19 264 yds 3td/1int He actually left this game early because of a knee injury

Week 20 vs NE: 19/37 211 yds 0td/2int This was the week he was playing with his bad knee

A lot of his passing yards went to his WRs - Chris Chambers and Vincent Jackson. He's learning to utilize all his weapons. Those playoff numbers are not those of a QB regressing. It looks like he's pulling it all together now.

 

[I Am Rick James]

Roughly average? His team isn't average, it's loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for. Average = flop in this case.

Really? Prior to Chris Chambers coming over part way through last season, who did he have at WR???? Terrell Owns, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, Lee Evans, Anquan Boldin, Fitz, Burress, Bowe, Holmes, Ward, Edwards, ummm... just trying to think of what great weapons he had - no ait, not great, the BEST.Oh, LT. Yes, he's a great weapon, for dumping off the ball, but he's not a downfield passing threat. Gates? Wasn't he injured? And still, when your TE is your #1 receiving threat, it's tough to say you're "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for" - that's ludicrous!!

So you would argue with the common saying "A quarterbacks best friend is a running game"? You must have no idea how many Chargers affensive players went to the probowl in '06 or you would never argue this. LT, Gates, Lorenzo Neil, Nick Hardwick, Marcus Mcniel (and even Rivers) all went to the Pro Bowl in '06, BY FAR THE MOST of any offense. That's 6 out of 11, more than half, even more amazing when you think about it. May be some kind of record. He's even more surounded "by some of the best weapons a qb could ever ask for" than I thought. So SWITZ, if that isn't a loaded offense, what is?

 

[I Am Rick James]

The most underrated QB: Phillip Rivers

I said this in another thread, and I'll say it again here. He really turned a corner in the playoffs. His passes were good and accurate and they were going vertical up and down the field. His decision making was sound, and he finally started finding his wide receivers. He hit a wide open Vincent Jackson time and again and Chris Chambers is once again poised to be a terrific fantasy wide receiver.

Phillip Rivers could be this years steal as a fantasy QB. His only limitation is the amount of pass attempts he gets. However, if LT starts showing signs of wear and tear, passing attempts could be up this year.

Post of the thread here. Hit the nail on the head. Could start off rusty this year of the ACL, but with those (veteran) weapons around him, I'm looking for big things into the future. (next 3-4 years)

I feel like I am the only guy who actually watched Rivers last year. As an LT owner, I watched Rivers every single week in HD during the regular season and I got to say, HE SUCKED! I rarerly have seen a QB miss more easy passes. The only reason he looked good his rookie year is because Marty gameplanned aroung his newb QB. He did look very good in his playoff loss however.Am I the only one who thinks this team gets to the SB with Breese?

Rivers certainly regressed last year, no doubt. Personally, I attribute a good bit of that to (a) a new coaching staff and system and (b) offensive line struggles. Still, he deserves plenty of blame for regressing.However, your bolded statement gives him no credit for a Pro Bowl performance in 2006, and is just flat wrong. He was inconsistent as a first year starter in 2006, not particularly uncommon for first year starting QBs... but overall he played well in 2006. I mean, if it was all credit due to Marty in 2006, why haven't all of Marty's QBs been Pro Bowlers?

And Rivers' playoff performance this past season was very impressive IMO. I think he will continue to improve as a QB. I am probably the biggest pro-Rivers poster on these boards, though, and I admit my bias. I anticipate he may start slowly this year due to his knee, but he could be a very nice option during the second half.

As for your statement about Brees, I definitely do not think the Chargers would have made the Super Bowl in either 2006 or 2007 with Brees instead of Rivers.

He didn't just regress, he was aweful. I thought I was taking crazy pills when Rivers would throw screen passes into the back of LT's helmet even though he was unpressured. Or when a wide open Gates couldn't get to so many short and medium floaters, again many unpressured.I stand by my statement that Marty gameplanned around him. Rivers may have been one of the poorest Pro Bowlers in a long time. Can somebody look up his '06 stats so I can back up these statements.

You can stand by your statement about 2006 all you want, it's still wrong. Here are his stats from the past two seasons:2006 SDG 16 games, 284/460 (61.7%), 3388 passing yards (7.4 ypa), 22 TDs, 9 interceptions, 92.0 QB rating

2007 SDG 16 games, 277/460 (60.2%), 3152 passing yards (6.9 ypa), 21 TDs, 15 interceptions, 82.4 QB rating

They don't support your characterization of his play last year either. Like I said, he regressed, but he was still roughly average. For example, he was 18th in QB rating, 0.1 behind Derek Anderson.

Roughly average? His team isn't average, it's loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for. Average = flop in this case.When he went to the PB in '06 he was the 8th ranked QB and the 4th ranked QB in the AFC. LT scored 30+ TD's in '06? Every defensive player Rivers faced was focused of LT and not him. That's was Marty's hide the newb gameplan by design.

He regressed last year because that is who he has been all along. And as LT gets older, Rivers will become even more exposed.

Plus, he crys just like a little girl and for that, there is no forgiveness.

Did you notice his playoff numbers?Week 18 vs TEN: 19/30 292 yds 1td/1int

Week 19 vs IND: 14/19 264 yds 3td/1int He actually left this game early because of a knee injury

Week 20 vs NE: 19/37 211 yds 0td/2int This was the week he was playing with his bad knee

A lot of his passing yards went to his WRs - Chris Chambers and Vincent Jackson. He's learning to utilize all his weapons. Those playoff numbers are not those of a QB regressing. It looks like he's pulling it all together now.

QB ratings are in BOLD. One very good game doesn't mean he's turned the corner. He had a 56 yd TD to Darren Sproles included in that game as well.WC TEN W 17-6 19 30 292 63.3 39 1 1 92.6 2 -2 -1.0 0

DIV @IND W 28-24 14 19 264 73.7 56 3 1 133.2 2 0 0.0 0

CONF @NE L 21-12 19 37 211 51.4 21 0 2 46.1 0 0 0.0 0

 

[switz]

Roughly average? His team isn't average, it's loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for. Average = flop in this case.

Really? Prior to Chris Chambers coming over part way through last season, who did he have at WR???? Terrell Owns, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, Lee Evans, Anquan Boldin, Fitz, Burress, Bowe, Holmes, Ward, Edwards, ummm... just trying to think of what great weapons he had - no ait, not great, the BEST.Oh, LT. Yes, he's a great weapon, for dumping off the ball, but he's not a downfield passing threat. Gates? Wasn't he injured? And still, when your TE is your #1 receiving threat, it's tough to say you're "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for" - that's ludicrous!!

So you would argue with the common saying "A quarterbacks best friend is a running game"? You must have no idea how many Chargers affensive players went to the probowl in '06 or you would never argue this. LT, Gates, Lorenzo Neil, Nick Hardwick, Marcus Mcniel (and even Rivers) all went to the Pro Bowl in '06, BY FAR THE MOST of any offense. That's 6 out of 11, more than half, even more amazing when you think about it. May be some kind of record. He's even more surounded "by some of the best weapons a qb could ever ask for" than I thought. So SWITZ, if that isn't a loaded offense, what is?

You are mistaking talented players at some positions being "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for."Yes, a good RB game does help the QB, but it doesn't necessarily elevate his numbers at all, it just takes pressure off him. It's the affect of these "weapons" that you don't seem to understand. Of the 6 "weapons" you speak of, one was Rivers, two were OLine, and the two of the three remaining which may be used in the passing game were NOT wide receivers. The team is not loaded with the best weapons a QB could ask for... that's simply not true.

Your tone is very aggressive, so it's pretty apparent you don't like Rivers. I don't think you are seeing things clearly because of that.

 

[switz]

QB ratings are in BOLD. One very good game doesn't mean he's turned the corner. He had a 56 yd TD to Darren Sproles included in that game as well.

WC TEN W 17-6 19 30 292 63.3 39 1 1 92.6 2 -2 -1.0 0

DIV @IND W 28-24 14 19 264 73.7 56 3 1 133.2 2 0 0.0 0

CONF @NE L 21-12 19 37 211 51.4 21 0 2 46.1 0 0 0.0 0

2 out of 3 good games, 1 out of 3 great games. Not sure what point you are trying to make if it's not simply that NE crushed a team that could barely make it on to the field that day.Your trying to use this as a negative on Rivers is pretty silly.

 

[I Am Rick James]

QB ratings are in BOLD. One very good game doesn't mean he's turned the corner. He had a 56 yd TD to Darren Sproles included in that game as well.

WC TEN W 17-6 19 30 292 63.3 39 1 1 92.6 2 -2 -1.0 0

DIV @IND W 28-24 14 19 264 73.7 56 3 1 133.2 2 0 0.0 0

CONF @NE L 21-12 19 37 211 51.4 21 0 2 46.1 0 0 0.0 0

2 out of 3 good games, 1 out of 3 great games. Not sure what point you are trying to make if it's not simply that NE crushed a team that could barely make it on to the field that day.Your trying to use this as a negative on Rivers is pretty silly.

One decent game against an underdog, one very good game against a favorite and the third game isn't relevent.

 

[I Am Rick James]

Roughly average? His team isn't average, it's loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for. Average = flop in this case.

Really? Prior to Chris Chambers coming over part way through last season, who did he have at WR???? Terrell Owns, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, Lee Evans, Anquan Boldin, Fitz, Burress, Bowe, Holmes, Ward, Edwards, ummm... just trying to think of what great weapons he had - no ait, not great, the BEST.Oh, LT. Yes, he's a great weapon, for dumping off the ball, but he's not a downfield passing threat. Gates? Wasn't he injured? And still, when your TE is your #1 receiving threat, it's tough to say you're "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for" - that's ludicrous!!

So you would argue with the common saying "A quarterbacks best friend is a running game"? You must have no idea how many Chargers affensive players went to the probowl in '06 or you would never argue this. LT, Gates, Lorenzo Neil, Nick Hardwick, Marcus Mcniel (and even Rivers) all went to the Pro Bowl in '06, BY FAR THE MOST of any offense. That's 6 out of 11, more than half, even more amazing when you think about it. May be some kind of record. He's even more surounded "by some of the best weapons a qb could ever ask for" than I thought. So SWITZ, if that isn't a loaded offense, what is?

You are mistaking talented players at some positions being "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for."Yes, a good RB game does help the QB, but it doesn't necessarily elevate his numbers at all, it just takes pressure off him. It's the affect of these "weapons" that you don't seem to understand. Of the 6 "weapons" you speak of, one was Rivers, two were OLine, and the two of the three remaining which may be used in the passing game were NOT wide receivers. The team is not loaded with the best weapons a QB could ask for... that's simply not true.

Your tone is very aggressive, so it's pretty apparent you don't like Rivers. I don't think you are seeing things clearly because of that.

It's only pressure, that's isn't showing your understanding of the QB position. Pressure is what makes or breaks any QB. Brady is god without pressure and human with it. Rich Gannon is league MVP without pressure and SB dud with it. Elway is a choke artist with pressure and a hero going out on his terms without it.

In the SD scheme, I don't expect the QB to put up 40 TD's, but I do however, expect ANY QB to match Rivers #s and a good QB to exceed them.

 

[switz]

Roughly average? His team isn't average, it's loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for. Average = flop in this case.

Really? Prior to Chris Chambers coming over part way through last season, who did he have at WR???? Terrell Owns, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, Lee Evans, Anquan Boldin, Fitz, Burress, Bowe, Holmes, Ward, Edwards, ummm... just trying to think of what great weapons he had - no ait, not great, the BEST.Oh, LT. Yes, he's a great weapon, for dumping off the ball, but he's not a downfield passing threat. Gates? Wasn't he injured? And still, when your TE is your #1 receiving threat, it's tough to say you're "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for" - that's ludicrous!!

So you would argue with the common saying "A quarterbacks best friend is a running game"? You must have no idea how many Chargers affensive players went to the probowl in '06 or you would never argue this. LT, Gates, Lorenzo Neil, Nick Hardwick, Marcus Mcniel (and even Rivers) all went to the Pro Bowl in '06, BY FAR THE MOST of any offense. That's 6 out of 11, more than half, even more amazing when you think about it. May be some kind of record. He's even more surounded "by some of the best weapons a qb could ever ask for" than I thought. So SWITZ, if that isn't a loaded offense, what is?

You are mistaking talented players at some positions being "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for."Yes, a good RB game does help the QB, but it doesn't necessarily elevate his numbers at all, it just takes pressure off him. It's the affect of these "weapons" that you don't seem to understand. Of the 6 "weapons" you speak of, one was Rivers, two were OLine, and the two of the three remaining which may be used in the passing game were NOT wide receivers. The team is not loaded with the best weapons a QB could ask for... that's simply not true.

Your tone is very aggressive, so it's pretty apparent you don't like Rivers. I don't think you are seeing things clearly because of that.

It's only pressure, that's isn't showing your understanding of the QB position. Pressure is what makes or breaks any QB. Brady is god without pressure and human with it. Rich Gannon is league MVP without pressure and SB dud with it. Elway is a choke artist with pressure and a hero going out on his terms without it.

In the SD scheme, I don't expect the QB to put up 40 TD's, but I do however, expect ANY QB to match Rivers #s and a good QB to exceed them.

- some receivers who catch the ball help too - but apparently that escaped your notice.

 

[I Am Rick James]

Roughly average? His team isn't average, it's loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for. Average = flop in this case.

Really? Prior to Chris Chambers coming over part way through last season, who did he have at WR???? Terrell Owns, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, Lee Evans, Anquan Boldin, Fitz, Burress, Bowe, Holmes, Ward, Edwards, ummm... just trying to think of what great weapons he had - no ait, not great, the BEST.Oh, LT. Yes, he's a great weapon, for dumping off the ball, but he's not a downfield passing threat. Gates? Wasn't he injured? And still, when your TE is your #1 receiving threat, it's tough to say you're "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for" - that's ludicrous!!

So you would argue with the common saying "A quarterbacks best friend is a running game"? You must have no idea how many Chargers affensive players went to the probowl in '06 or you would never argue this. LT, Gates, Lorenzo Neil, Nick Hardwick, Marcus Mcniel (and even Rivers) all went to the Pro Bowl in '06, BY FAR THE MOST of any offense. That's 6 out of 11, more than half, even more amazing when you think about it. May be some kind of record. He's even more surounded "by some of the best weapons a qb could ever ask for" than I thought. So SWITZ, if that isn't a loaded offense, what is?

You are mistaking talented players at some positions being "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for."Yes, a good RB game does help the QB, but it doesn't necessarily elevate his numbers at all, it just takes pressure off him. It's the affect of these "weapons" that you don't seem to understand. Of the 6 "weapons" you speak of, one was Rivers, two were OLine, and the two of the three remaining which may be used in the passing game were NOT wide receivers. The team is not loaded with the best weapons a QB could ask for... that's simply not true.

Your tone is very aggressive, so it's pretty apparent you don't like Rivers. I don't think you are seeing things clearly because of that.

It's only pressure, that's isn't showing your understanding of the QB position. Pressure is what makes or breaks any QB. Brady is god without pressure and human with it. Rich Gannon is league MVP without pressure and SB dud with it. Elway is a choke artist with pressure and a hero going out on his terms without it.

In the SD scheme, I don't expect the QB to put up 40 TD's, but I do however, expect ANY QB to match Rivers #s and a good QB to exceed them.

- some receivers who catch the ball help too - but apparently that escaped your notice.

It's hard for any WR to become a star on a running team, it's even harder when the QB throws the ball to the RB and TE so much (not Rivers fault). It's close to impossible when the QB is inconsistant (Rivers fault). More often than not, the scheme and QB make the WR's, not the other way around.

 

[switz]

Roughly average? His team isn't average, it's loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for. Average = flop in this case.

Really? Prior to Chris Chambers coming over part way through last season, who did he have at WR???? Terrell Owns, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, Lee Evans, Anquan Boldin, Fitz, Burress, Bowe, Holmes, Ward, Edwards, ummm... just trying to think of what great weapons he had - no ait, not great, the BEST.Oh, LT. Yes, he's a great weapon, for dumping off the ball, but he's not a downfield passing threat. Gates? Wasn't he injured? And still, when your TE is your #1 receiving threat, it's tough to say you're "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for" - that's ludicrous!!

So you would argue with the common saying "A quarterbacks best friend is a running game"? You must have no idea how many Chargers affensive players went to the probowl in '06 or you would never argue this. LT, Gates, Lorenzo Neil, Nick Hardwick, Marcus Mcniel (and even Rivers) all went to the Pro Bowl in '06, BY FAR THE MOST of any offense. That's 6 out of 11, more than half, even more amazing when you think about it. May be some kind of record. He's even more surounded "by some of the best weapons a qb could ever ask for" than I thought. So SWITZ, if that isn't a loaded offense, what is?

You are mistaking talented players at some positions being "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for."Yes, a good RB game does help the QB, but it doesn't necessarily elevate his numbers at all, it just takes pressure off him. It's the affect of these "weapons" that you don't seem to understand. Of the 6 "weapons" you speak of, one was Rivers, two were OLine, and the two of the three remaining which may be used in the passing game were NOT wide receivers. The team is not loaded with the best weapons a QB could ask for... that's simply not true.

Your tone is very aggressive, so it's pretty apparent you don't like Rivers. I don't think you are seeing things clearly because of that.

It's only pressure, that's isn't showing your understanding of the QB position. Pressure is what makes or breaks any QB. Brady is god without pressure and human with it. Rich Gannon is league MVP without pressure and SB dud with it. Elway is a choke artist with pressure and a hero going out on his terms without it.

In the SD scheme, I don't expect the QB to put up 40 TD's, but I do however, expect ANY QB to match Rivers #s and a good QB to exceed them.

- some receivers who catch the ball help too - but apparently that escaped your notice.

It's hard for any WR to become a star on a running team, it's even harder when the QB throws the ball to the RB and TE so much (not Rivers fault). It's close to impossible when the QB is inconsistant (Rivers fault). More often than not, the scheme and QB make the WR's, not the other way around.

Which is why the Chargers, recognizing they had no good receivers, traded a pick for Chambers. Because it was the QBs fault the receivers looked bad. Genius!

 

[I Am Rick James]

Roughly average? His team isn't average, it's loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for. Average = flop in this case.

Really? Prior to Chris Chambers coming over part way through last season, who did he have at WR???? Terrell Owns, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, Lee Evans, Anquan Boldin, Fitz, Burress, Bowe, Holmes, Ward, Edwards, ummm... just trying to think of what great weapons he had - no ait, not great, the BEST.Oh, LT. Yes, he's a great weapon, for dumping off the ball, but he's not a downfield passing threat. Gates? Wasn't he injured? And still, when your TE is your #1 receiving threat, it's tough to say you're "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for" - that's ludicrous!!

So you would argue with the common saying "A quarterbacks best friend is a running game"? You must have no idea how many Chargers affensive players went to the probowl in '06 or you would never argue this. LT, Gates, Lorenzo Neil, Nick Hardwick, Marcus Mcniel (and even Rivers) all went to the Pro Bowl in '06, BY FAR THE MOST of any offense. That's 6 out of 11, more than half, even more amazing when you think about it. May be some kind of record. He's even more surounded "by some of the best weapons a qb could ever ask for" than I thought. So SWITZ, if that isn't a loaded offense, what is?

You are mistaking talented players at some positions being "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for."Yes, a good RB game does help the QB, but it doesn't necessarily elevate his numbers at all, it just takes pressure off him. It's the affect of these "weapons" that you don't seem to understand. Of the 6 "weapons" you speak of, one was Rivers, two were OLine, and the two of the three remaining which may be used in the passing game were NOT wide receivers. The team is not loaded with the best weapons a QB could ask for... that's simply not true.

Your tone is very aggressive, so it's pretty apparent you don't like Rivers. I don't think you are seeing things clearly because of that.

It's only pressure, that's isn't showing your understanding of the QB position. Pressure is what makes or breaks any QB. Brady is god without pressure and human with it. Rich Gannon is league MVP without pressure and SB dud with it. Elway is a choke artist with pressure and a hero going out on his terms without it.

In the SD scheme, I don't expect the QB to put up 40 TD's, but I do however, expect ANY QB to match Rivers #s and a good QB to exceed them.

- some receivers who catch the ball help too - but apparently that escaped your notice.

It's hard for any WR to become a star on a running team, it's even harder when the QB throws the ball to the RB and TE so much (not Rivers fault). It's close to impossible when the QB is inconsistant (Rivers fault). More often than not, the scheme and QB make the WR's, not the other way around.

Which is why the Chargers, recognizing they had no good receivers, traded a pick for Chambers. Because it was the QBs fault the receivers looked bad. Genius!

So with Vincent Jackson and Chris Chambers on his team last year, the best RB, the best TE, pro bowl OL's he was the 18th best QB in the league. He was 4 points behing Chad Pennington in QB rating and 7 points behind McNabb who has a great WR core. Jeff Garcia is 12 points higher than Rivers, he must be riding that stud Gallaway.

 

[I Am Rick James]

Roughly average? His team isn't average, it's loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for. Average = flop in this case.

Really? Prior to Chris Chambers coming over part way through last season, who did he have at WR???? Terrell Owns, Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, Lee Evans, Anquan Boldin, Fitz, Burress, Bowe, Holmes, Ward, Edwards, ummm... just trying to think of what great weapons he had - no ait, not great, the BEST.Oh, LT. Yes, he's a great weapon, for dumping off the ball, but he's not a downfield passing threat. Gates? Wasn't he injured? And still, when your TE is your #1 receiving threat, it's tough to say you're "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for" - that's ludicrous!!

So you would argue with the common saying "A quarterbacks best friend is a running game"? You must have no idea how many Chargers affensive players went to the probowl in '06 or you would never argue this. LT, Gates, Lorenzo Neil, Nick Hardwick, Marcus Mcniel (and even Rivers) all went to the Pro Bowl in '06, BY FAR THE MOST of any offense. That's 6 out of 11, more than half, even more amazing when you think about it. May be some kind of record. He's even more surounded "by some of the best weapons a qb could ever ask for" than I thought. So SWITZ, if that isn't a loaded offense, what is?

You are mistaking talented players at some positions being "loaded with some of the best weapons a QB could ever ask for."Yes, a good RB game does help the QB, but it doesn't necessarily elevate his numbers at all, it just takes pressure off him. It's the affect of these "weapons" that you don't seem to understand. Of the 6 "weapons" you speak of, one was Rivers, two were OLine, and the two of the three remaining which may be used in the passing game were NOT wide receivers. The team is not loaded with the best weapons a QB could ask for... that's simply not true.

Your tone is very aggressive, so it's pretty apparent you don't like Rivers. I don't think you are seeing things clearly because of that.

It's only pressure, that's isn't showing your understanding of the QB position. Pressure is what makes or breaks any QB. Brady is god without pressure and human with it. Rich Gannon is league MVP without pressure and SB dud with it. Elway is a choke artist with pressure and a hero going out on his terms without it.

In the SD scheme, I don't expect the QB to put up 40 TD's, but I do however, expect ANY QB to match Rivers #s and a good QB to exceed them.

- some receivers who catch the ball help too - but apparently that escaped your notice.

It's hard for any WR to become a star on a running team, it's even harder when the QB throws the ball to the RB and TE so much (not Rivers fault). It's close to impossible when the QB is inconsistant (Rivers fault). More often than not, the scheme and QB make the WR's, not the other way around.

Which is why the Chargers, recognizing they had no good receivers, traded a pick for Chambers. Because it was the QBs fault the receivers looked bad. Genius!

So with Vincent Jackson and Chris Chambers on his team last year, the best RB, the best TE, pro bowl OL's he was the 18th best QB in the league. He was 4 points behing Chad Pennington in QB rating and 7 points behind McNabb who has a great WR core. Jeff Garcia is 12 points higher than Rivers, he must be riding that stud Gallaway.

How bout Gerrard, great run support, questionable WR's, 20 point higher QB rating than Rivers

 

[switz]

So with Vincent Jackson and Chris Chambers on his team last year, the best RB, the best TE, pro bowl OL's he was the 18th best QB in the league. He was 4 points behing Chad Pennington in QB rating and 7 points behind McNabb who has a great WR core. Jeff Garcia is 12 points higher than Rivers, he must be riding that stud Gallaway.

And he ended up being a roughly average QB. I never argued that he was underrated, just that your assessment of being loaded with the best weapons for a QB was false. It still is.

 

[I Am Rick James]

Your right, I stand corrected, he is only a couple of TO's and a Moss's away from being good.

Actually, you are wrong without question, but I can't convince you otherwise. It's been fun, have a great fantasy season.