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Movie Director Rankings: Stanley Kubrick (1 Viewer)

What ranking do you give Mr. Kubrick?


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I am interested to see this one. Usually regarded as one of the best directors ever, but even I admit that quite a few of his movies are hard to get into.

Here are the films we are talking about:

Eyes Wide Shut

1987 Full Metal Jacket
1980 The Shining
1975 Barry Lyndon
1971 A Clockwork Orange
1968 2001: A Space Odyssey
1964 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
1962 Lolita
1960 Spartacus
1957 Paths of Glory
1956 The Killing
1955 The Killer's Kiss
1953 Fear and Desire

Questions, if you feel like answering them:

1. What are your top 3 Kubrick movies? Making this one harder with 3, not 5. Pretend that the others get burned, and you have to keep just 3 of his movies.

2. How many movies of his have you seen?

3. What does Kubrick do well and/or what doesn't he do well?

4. Anything on the list underrated or overrated in your opinion?

5. What are your favorite scenes or characters of his films?

6. Why did you rank him how you did?


Really liked the discussion in the O.Stone thread - thanks for all who have been participating.



 
Ah, Kubrick. :wub:

1. My top 3 Kubrick movies:

Full Metal Jacket

The Shining

A Clockwork Orange

2. All but 1 - Barry Lyndon. I think it is time I corrected that.

3. His attention to detail and the fact that he was photographer first just oozes from the screen. So many stunning shots and perfect setups in his movies. Not sure if it's a downfall, but he didn't really seem to make movies for the masses. A few are hard to sit through and seemingly more about the shot over the story, but that is also why I love his movies so much.

4. I think his early work is amazing. I think more people need to see movies like The Killing - feels like Tarantino, but 30 years earlier. Overrated, I guess I would say Dr. Strangelove. :scared:

5. Kubrick had a way of scaring me and burrowing in my head. I remember scenes like the bathroom scene in FMJ where Hartman confronts Pyle, scary lady in the bathtub in The Shining, etc..

6. As somebody said about Scorsese, I will echo about Kubrick - if he is not a 10, I don't know who is. I think one of the easiest ways to sum him up is like this: Easily one of the most talented directors, but what elevated him above his peers is his ability to do any genre well. By a lot of people's standards, he was able to create one of the scariest movies of all time, one of the (I say two of the) best war movies of all time, one of the best sci-fi movies, and one of the funniest satires.

 
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EWS knocks him down a bit on the whole but everything from `60 to `87 was terrific
Very polarizing film for sure. I was surprised at how many defenders of that movie there are on these boards (I am one). I think too many people took that film too literally. The more I've seen it, the more I like it.

 
Ranked him #1. He is my favorite director of all time and also the best. Have seen about 2/3 of all his movies, liked them all and loved most of them. Favorites are A Clockwork Orange, 2001, and Full Metal Jacket. As mentioned above, incredible range and he tackled big, philosophical issues beautifully.

 
Full Metal Jacket (one of my favorite movies of all time)

Spartacus

The Shining

The Killing is also very good.

He was good at the details. He took interesting stances in his movies, without coming across as a political activist.

2001 Space Odyssey, Dr Stangelove, and Clockwork Orange are overrated movies.

Gave him an 8.

 
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1. What are your top 3 Kubrick movies?
1. Full Metal Jacket
2. Lolita
3a. 2001: A Space Odyssey
3b. A Clockwork Orange

2. How many movies of his have you seen?
11

3. What does Kubrick do well and/or what doesn't he do well?
He's good at making you feel what his characters feel, at conjuring emotions.

4. Anything on the list underrated or overrated in your opinion?
No

5. What are your favorite scenes or characters of his films?
It's been a long time since I've seen any of these. I guess James Mason's performance in Lolita stands out.

6. Why did you rank him how you did?
10. Not one of my top 5, but definitely top ten.
 
Kubrick is my favorite American director, so that has to make him a 10.

My top 3 would be Paths of Glory, Dr. Strangelove, and 2001 but the latter two are probably there for sentimental reasons. 2001 was the movie that made me love thinking about movies. Today, I'm probably more likely to watch Barry Lyndon.

Kubrick's greatest strength, IMO, is the consistency of his vision. He makes films about all the flawed ways that human beings try to come to terms with the vast indifference of the universe. That's a cold and bleak message, but one that strikes me as true. Of course, he also probably had the greatest eye in American cinema. It's hard to think of a more beautifully shot picture than Barry Lyndon (or 2001 or The Shining).

It's hard to name an actually underrated Kubrick film. Audiences don't really know Paths of Glory, but critics love it. Same with Barry Lyndon. I'd say that the Shining used to be pretty underrated by critics, but the grass roots movement to study it has changed that (not entirely for the better).

 
Three favorite:

Paths of Glory
Dr. Strangelove
The Killing

Love his cinematography.

So many great scenes in Paths of Glory. I think it is his most underrated; it is my favorite war movie, and one of my favorite movies of all-time. The tracking shots during the battle sequences, Kirk Douglas's speech in the courtroom, the singing of "Faithful Hussar" at the end. Just a powerful movie.
 
Three favorite:

Paths of Glory
Dr. Strangelove
The Killing

Love his cinematography.

So many great scenes in Paths of Glory. I think it is his most underrated; it is my favorite war movie, and one of my favorite movies of all-time. The tracking shots during the battle sequences, Kirk Douglas's speech in the courtroom, the singing of "Faithful Hussar" at the end. Just a powerful movie.
Paths of Glory is always overlooked when talking Kubrick

 
I've only seen 5 of his films, but its pretty easy to recognize his greatness in those.

Of what I've seen, my top 3 are:

1. Full Metal Jacket

2. The Shining

3. A Clockwork Orange

The other two I've seen are EWS & 2001. I really need to see Dr. Strangelove (well all of them, but especially that one). I would like to rewatch 2001 as I was just a teenager when I watched it and don't remember it too well.

My favorite scene in all of his movies is the bathroom scene in FMJ...just so intense. Of course the bedroom scene in EWS where Kidman was getting ready wasn't too bad :wub: . The Shining is one of the only horror movies I actually enjoy watching and have a lot of favorite scenes in that one....probably my favorite is the scene where you follow the kid all through the hotel on his big wheel and then he sees the creepy twin girls at the end of the hallway.

I give him a 9. It seemed at times he tried to be weird just for weirdness sake and it actually detracted from the movie. Clockwork especially comes to mind. Just some unnecessary oddness to the setting. Other than that, I think he is brilliant. Love his work.

 
1. What are your top 3 Kubrick movies?
The Shining
Full Metal Jacket
Paths of Glory

2. How many movies of his have you seen?
~8

3. What does Kubrick do well and/or what doesn't he do well?
Like: As was already mentioned, his attention to detail and the fact that his movies made you feel like you were looking at a picture as opposed to watching a movie. Also, king of the long tracking shot. Not like: dialogue sometimes felt like throway, which brought down the scene. One example is Dr. Floyd's interaction with the other scientists on the space station. Also, while not a big issue, it seemed like he was overly obsessed with the concept of duality, cluminating in EWS.

4. Anything on the list underrated or overrated in your opinion?
Never thought of Paths of Glory as underrated, but it sounds like other have.

5. What are your favorite scenes or characters of his films?
Scene: Early in The Shining when Jack is walking through the hotel on his way to the interview. Allowed me to take in the full beauty of the place without feeling like they were lingering.
Character: Tough call. After reading the book FMJ was based on, my thoughts on those characters has been shaded by what I know about the source material. I guess Major Dax in Paths of Glory would be my favorite; cynical yet a good soldier at the same time.

6. Why did you rank him how you did?
I always like the way his movies look.
 
1. What are your top 3 Kubrick movies? Making this one harder with 3, not 5. Pretend that the others get burned, and you have to keep just 3 of his movies.
2001, A Clockwork Orange and Barry Lyndon.

2. How many movies of his have you seen?
11. All but his first two films.

3. What does Kubrick do well and/or what doesn't he do well?
He's a mostly great storyteller but sometimes struggles with pacing.

4. Anything on the list underrated or overrated in your opinion?
Barry Lyndon is underrated, I think. Ryan O'Neal is an interesting choice for the lead, for sure, but I don't find him terribly distracting. Overrated? Full Metal Jacket maybe. It just seems out of character for him. He has a number of films that are only just good - Paths, Spartacus, The Killing - but not especially interesting to me. EWS stinks.

5. What are your favorite scenes or characters of his films?
It's hard not to love the War Room scene in "Dr Strangelove". For character will tip my hat to Alex from Clockwork with a great script and a perfect actor for he role.

6. Why did you rank him how you did?
He has 5 iconic films - "Strangelove", "Clockwork", "2001", "Shining" and "Barry Lyndon" - are likely unmatched by any filmmaker.

Rating? 9.

 
He's a 10.

1. What are your top 3 Kubrick movies?
Full Metal Jacket, 2001, A Clockwork Orange

2. How many movies of his have you seen?
11

3. What does Kubrick do well and/or what doesn't he do well?
Kubrick's visual style is distinct and just perfect IMO. He can stage a shot in a way that gets the idea of a scene across without any dialog. Guy is a visual genius. Also love the way his films speak to the deepest emotions in the audience. It's like a carnal thing. His themes get down into your core- fears, desires, wonder. At the same time his films are intellectual. [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]I can't think of anything he doesn't do well.[/SIZE]

4. Anything on the list underrated or overrated in your opinion?
I'm not a big fan of Dr. Strangelove. I do like EWS. At a base level, it is Kubrick through and through. Any movie that feels like it has Kubrick driving it, I'm going to like.

5. What are your favorite scenes or characters of his films?
2001 dismantling Hal, Alex in Clockwork Orange, opening scene of FMJ

6. Why did you rank him how you did?
He's my favorite director from purely a directing standpoint. If you ask who my favorite filmmaker is, I give the edge to QT.
 
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Saw 2001: A Space Odyssey in Hollywood in Cinerama. One of the most awesome theater experiences in my life!

Liked nearly all on the list with the exception of Barry Lyndon, which had a horrible 2nd half.

I'd better check out The Killing based on the recommendations here.

 
Saw 2001: A Space Odyssey in Hollywood in Cinerama. One of the most awesome theater experiences in my life!

Liked nearly all on the list with the exception of Barry Lyndon, which had a horrible 2nd half.

I'd better check out The Killing based on the recommendations here.
Kubrick is my favorite director. I have all of his films on my HTPC.

The Luck of Barry Lyndon by Thackery, which the movie is based on, has the same type of ending. I think it is definitely in his top 5. The imagery alone is remarkable, and the manner in which the film was done was groundbreaking.

 
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Top-3: The Killing, Paths of Glory and Clockwork Orange.

Agreed, that the Killing is vastly underrated. Everything Tarantino learned about plot structure comes from this movie.

While 2001 and Dr. Strangelove are classics to many, never been favs of mine. Nor am I a fan of Lolita, or Spartacus or Barry Lyndon.

While Kubrick is viewed as more " artistic " than nearly every director, from a pure enjoyment point of view, I much prefer other directors (Spielberg, De Palma etc...).

Kubrick had a great " eye ", his movies are so dense with imaginary. In most cases, it takes repeated viewings to take everything in.

Weakness would be pacing/editing. His movies always seem longer than they should or need to be.

I don't think Eyes Wide Shut is nearly as bad as people make it seem. This movie was saddled with unrealistic expectations because of Kubrick's involvement.

Nicholson's performance in the Shining is or seems to be the definitive Kubrick performance, or at least it seems to be the most popular.

 
6. As somebody said about Scorsese, I will echo about Kubrick - if he is not a 10, I don't know who is. I think one of the easiest ways to sum him up is like this: Easily one of the most talented directors, but what elevated him above his peers is his ability to do any genre well. By a lot of people's standards, he was able to create one of the scariest movies of all time, one of the (I say two of the) best war movies of all time, one of the best sci-fi movies, and one of the funniest satires.
That was me. The question was rhetorical but if there was an answer, it would be Kubrick. Every movie he made was at least good. Several are the best of all time. 10 doesn't do him justice.

 
Kubrick fan. Eyes Wide Shut has grown on me and gets better with each viewing. Top 5 Kubrick film for me.

 
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I am interested to see this one. Usually regarded as one of the best directors ever, but even I admit that quite a few of his movies are hard to get into.

Here are the films we are talking about:

Eyes Wide Shut

1987 Full Metal Jacket
1980 The Shining
1975 Barry Lyndon
1971 A Clockwork Orange
1968 2001: A Space Odyssey
1964 Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
1962 Lolita
1960 Spartacus
1957 Paths of Glory
1956 The Killing
1955 The Killer's Kiss
1953 Fear and Desire

Questions, if you feel like answering them:

1. What are your top 3 Kubrick movies? Making this one harder with 3, not 5. Pretend that the others get burned, and you have to keep just 3 of his movies.

Dr. Strangelove, Paths of Glory and The Killing

2. How many movies of his have you seen?

All of them.

3. What does Kubrick do well and/or what doesn't he do well?

Strengths: Taking his time between films. This is something I think Tarantino probably learned, and emulated. Moving to London and doing it his way, or the highway.

Weaknesses: Dying too soon, depriving us of a couple more; casting Tom Cruise in EWS (Cruise takes more crap than he should, but he was not right for this role).

4. Anything on the list underrated or overrated in your opinion?

Lolita is actually underrated.

5. What are your favorite scenes or characters of his films?

Sidney Pollack in EWS. Kirk Douglas kills it in Paths of Glory. Peter Sellers is brilliant in Strangelove. Dr. Strangelove is not only Kubrick's best work, it's one of the greatest films of all time. Absolutely brilliant anti-war film.

6. Why did you rank him how you did?

I gave him a 9 because no one is perfect. He and Scorcese are at the top of my list of favorite film directors.


Really liked the discussion in the O.Stone thread - thanks for all who have been participating.
 
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1. What are your top 3 Kubrick movies? Making this one harder with 3, not 5. Pretend that the others get burned, and you have to keep just 3 of his movies.

Full Metal Jacket
Dr. Stangelove
The Shining

2. How many movies of his have you seen?
9

3. What does Kubrick do well and/or what doesn't he do well?

4. Anything on the list underrated or overrated in your opinion?

I just cant get in to 2001.
5. What are your favorite scenes or characters of his films?
Pretty much the entire first half of Full Metal Jacket.

6. Why did you rank him how you did?
Genius.
 
Clockwork Orange Intro - Pink Floyd's Atom Heart Mother Style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojOBgoSjBoU

Nicolas Roeg may have directed Clockwork Orange if he hadn't instead opted to buy the rights to and work on Walkabout (his debut as sole director)

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/1466-walkabout-landscapes-of-memory

* On Clockwork Orange and Atom Heart Mother

Soundtrack background

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(soundtrack)

Atom Heart Mother background

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_Heart_Mother_(suite)

** I think Kubrick definitely got it right with the Wendy Carlos score (including the synthesizer versions of classical music, she did the pioneering Switched On Bach series previously and was literally probably the best in the world at that time to excute that type of music). Really hard for me to imagine this with any other music, it is so inextricably connected and indelibly etched in my mind together. The amount of material Kubrick tossed supposedly angered Carlos. He used even less in the Shining ('80) about a decade later - only the eerie, foreboding helicopter tracking shot during the intro sequence.

 
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1. What are your top 3 Kubrick movies? Making this one harder with 3, not 5. Pretend that the others get burned, and you have to keep just 3 of his movies.

Clockwork Orange and 2001: A Space Odyssey top two in no particular order, can't decide between them, followed by Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. Kubrick would have to be one of the hardest for me to pare down to just three films (similar to Kurosawa, but perhaps more impressive as he wasn't nearly as prolific). Spartacus is a good film, but I only think of it as half a Kubrick film, as it is the only one he wasn't involved with the pre-production and choice of material in the first place (a hired gun for Kirk Douglas after he fired Anthony Mann in the first week of filming over creative differences, as he admired the young director from the recently completed Paths Of Glory - maybe he also thought he could control him better due to his youth?). I found EWS to be massively anticlimactic as a final film after a 12 year interval between that and Full Metal Jacket. I wish he had been able to see AI to completion, instead (of handing off to Spielberg). Barry Lyndon was technically innovative, but imo one of his lesser works. The Killing was his first mature work, and an outstanding example of the noir genre. The non-linear, fractured chronology was one of the best attributes of the film (cited by Tarantino as a big influence on Reservoir Dogs), and actually came from the original source material novel, Clean Break. The omniscient narrator contributed to the almost clinical, documentary-like treatment of the otherwise gritty content. Paths of Glory is one of his greatest early works (prior to his trilogy of masterpieces above). Masterful camera work. The latter two are in the Criterion Collection on Blu-ray (Spartacus was on DVD, but the rights have lapsed, it did just get a recent restoration and Blu-ray release), and Killer's Kiss is included as a bonus on The Killing. Lolita not one of my favorites in his canon. The Shining was a classic in the horror genre with an iconic performance by Nicholson. Full Metal Jacket was kind of like two half movies, I thought the first half was stronger, but overall still one of his best second tier works (with The Killing, Paths Of Glory and The Shining).

2. How many movies of his have you seen?

Everything but Fear and Desire, most/all of the others multiple times.

3. What does Kubrick do well and/or what doesn't he do well?

A thousand things. :)

A) After he was established, he was able to secure final cut (his final home for studio distribution thought he was a genius and living treasure and were willing to work with him on terms that were acceptable to him - that was an absolute, non-negotiable), so you knew you were seeing HIS vision, pure and unadulterated. His possibly unique power in the industry extended to pulling Clockwork Orange (at least in the UK), probably an unprecedented act before or since?

B) He had great taste in material. Nabokov (Lolita) was a Nobel laureate in literature. Arthur C. Clarke was one of the towering figures in science fiction with Robert Heinlein and Isaac Asimov (also a Nobel laureate, in his case for suggesting the idea of geo-synchronous orbits so critical to modern satellite communications, Kubrick collected them like Al Davis hoarded Heisman winners and speed merchants). Burgess was one of the great British writers of the second half of the 20th century (Kubrick was born in the Bronx but became an ex-pat and settled in England), and Clockwork Orange is one of the greatest dystopian novels ever, with We, Brave New World, 1984, Darkness At Noon, etc. King is one of the greatest horror writers.

C) He was an innovator. 2001 had pioneering special effects (half decade in development) that had never been seen before. Doug Trumbull later also worked on Blade Runner, among others. It is arguably a high water mark technically and for effects in the genre to this day. Kubrick wanted to film Barry Lyndon in period correct natural light (similar to The Revenant). Sometimes he used so many candles the set caught fire! But in the excellent 2+ hour doc, A Life In Pictures , they related an anecdote about how he Frankensteined 1-2 extremely rare rear projection cameras with a Zeiss lens developed for NASA to achieve the capability of the look he was seeking. If the technology didn't exist to realize the vision in his head, he was smart enough, and resourceful enough to get the world class help he needed to create it. The Shining may not have been the FIRST, but one of the first films to employ the soon to be ubiquitous Steadicam (a specially balanced "hand held" camera that damped shaking so it looked almost like a dolly shot, but permitted more flexibility in shooting).

D) As pointed out above, he was a photographer for magazines like LIFE and TIME (not sure about LOOK?) when still a teenager, he was very precocious. Later, an enfant terrible as a young director. He was a master at composition. Like few other masters (Kurosawa, Bergman, Fellini, Tarkovsky), you could almost freeze frame ANY point of the movie, print it and hang it in your living room, it would be a work of art.

E) Camera movement (including conception and execution), one of the greatest ever. No doubt he learned well from earlier masters like Eisenstein and Welles. Max Ophuls (maybe the greatest ever virtuoso of camera movement - has at least three films in the Criterion Collection) was cited and singled out by Kubrick as an important and primary influence in this regard.

F) I liked his taste in casting, generally, and thought he made some great choices there.

G) Music. 2001 was ingenius, with the Thus Spake Zarathustra intro, Strauss waltz for the space station. The Wendy Carlos synthesizer score and theme for Clockwork Orange meshed nearly PERFECTLY with the futuristic but bleak vision of Burgess. The BIZARRE juxtaposition of classical music with the gang rumbles, and ESPECIALLY using Singing In The Rain to accompany a brutal home invasion beating and rape was one of the most subversive, provocative and disturbing choices in the history of cinema, nobody would have done that but Kubrick.

Barry Lyndon had great period classical music. When he didn't feel the Carlos score was right for The Shining (only using for the intro helicopter tracking shot driving up the Rockies), he used some cues from contemporary avant garde composers such as Ligeti, Bartok and Penderecki, and supposedly improvised sounds himself (recurring theme, see 2001 and the Frankensteined camera on Barry Lyndon in the visual domain).

H) Editing. No way he could have so many great films and overall towering stature, if he wasn't brilliant in this department.

I) Perfectionist, and it shows up on the screen. He was known to even personally visit theaters to see if the A/V equipment was working properly, a level of detail almost unheard of from major directors. He was supposedly a proponent of many takes to shape the performance he was looking for (maybe it was genuine fatigue, it sounded like he genuinely terrorized Shelley Duvall in The Shining).

4. Anything on the list underrated or overrated in your opinion?

The Killing and Paths Of Glory, they are superior to several later works, but alas, not nearly as well known. Maybe Dr. Strangelove, just in the sense I have it third, but some could make a strong case it deserves to be higher?

5. What are your favorite scenes or characters of his films?

Sterling Hayden was an iconic noir actor (Asphalt Jungle). Timothy Carey was hilariously quirky and off beat. The end of The Killing was perfect (no spoiler) and I think different from the book. I AM SPARTACUS! No, I AM SPARTACUS! No, I AM SPARTACUS! 2001 had several. The obelisk on the savannah, primate learning to use a bone as a killing tool, the segue way to another, slightly more complex tool, as bone morphs to space station, HAL eavesdropping on the astronauts, becoming a murderer, the end sequence in the room. The narration of Clockwork Orange was subversive. The scene where his eyes were pried open and he was conditioned to become violently ill (and unwittingly even suicidal) from violent and sexual stimuli. Jack Nicholson (Here's Johnny!). Full Metal Jacket, when Pyle snaps. I have to give special props to Peter Sellers for his tour de force three character performance in Dr. Strangelove, that would have to be tops. A lot of great scenes in that, too. When Sellers realizes Sterling Hayden is insane, in talking about maintaining his essence and denying women. :) No fighting in the war room. :) Probably the greatest black comedy ever (though that title may belong to Kind Hearts And Coronets, about an urbane serial killer who needs to knock off more than a half dozen relatives for an inheritance he feels he was unjustly denied - all played by Alec Guiness in a Sellers-like multi-character performance, even playing a woman in one case).

6. Why did you rank him how you did?

Didn't vote in the poll. I have Kurosawa and Kubrick about tied as co-GOAT. My favorite movies are probably Blade Runner, 2001 and Clockwork Orange, as well as Seven Samurai (Rashomon up there). At his best, Ridley Scott is a master, but I find his body of work as a whole more uneven and hit and miss. I like Friedkin a lot (Sorceror one of my favorites, also did the French Connection, The Exorcist, To Live And Die In LA), but I have the same criticism of his overall body of work. Probably Hitchcock would be third for me, so many classics. The British team of Powell and Pressburger were great (Scorcese one of their greatest and most influential champions, Powell's widow was his long time editor). I'm a big fan of the work of some more contemporary directors, such as Wenders, Roeg, Malick and surrealists Gilliam, Cronenberg and Lynch (all well represented in the Criterion Collection). Orson Welles was a genius, but his body of work was spotty due to his reputation for increasing unreliability making financing difficult (to impossible) for most of his life. Chaplin was a legit genius, yet probably largely neglected or even ignored today (except by film historians and professional critics) because most are too cool for school to explore silent films.

* Good aggregate review of the nearly definitive Kubrick Masterpiece Collection

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/13218/stanleykubrickthemasterpiececollectionamazonexclusive.html

 
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Bob Magaw said:
1. What are your top 3 Kubrick movies? Making this one harder with 3, not 5. Pretend that the others get burned, and you have to keep just 3 of his movies.

Clockwork Orange and 2001: A Space Odyssey top two in no particular order, can't decide between them, followed by Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. Kubrick would have to be one of the hardest for me to pare down to just three films (similar to Kurosawa, but perhaps more impressive as he wasn't nearly as prolific). Spartacus is a good film, but I only think of it as half a Kubrick film, as it is the only one he wasn't involved with the pre-production and choice of material in the first place (a hired gun for Kirk Douglas after he fired Anthony Mann in the first week of filming over creative differences, as he admired the young director from the recently completed Paths Of Glory - maybe he also thought he could control him better due to his youth?). I found EWS to be massively anticlimactic as a final film after a 12 year interval between that and Full Metal Jacket. I wish he had been able to see AI to completion, instead (of handing off to Spielberg). Barry Lyndon was technically innovative, but imo one of his lesser works. The Killing was his first mature work, and an outstanding example of the noir genre. The non-linear, fractured chronology was one of the best attributes of the film (cited by Tarantino as a big influence on Reservoir Dogs), and actually came from the original source material novel, Clean Break. The omniscient narrator contributed to the almost clinical, documentary-like treatment of the otherwise gritty content. Paths of Glory is one of his greatest early works (prior to his trilogy of masterpieces above). Masterful camera work. The latter two are in the Criterion Collection on Blu-ray (Spartacus was on DVD, but the rights have lapsed, it did just get a recent restoration and Blu-ray release), and Killer's Kiss is included as a bonus on The Killing. Lolita not one of my favorites in his canon. The Shining was a classic in the horror genre with an iconic performance by Nicholson. Full Metal Jacket was kind of like two half movies, I thought the first half was stronger, but overall still one of his best second tier works (with The Killing, Paths Of Glory and The Shining).


2. How many movies of his have you seen?

Everything but Fear and Desire, most/all of the others multiple times.

3. What does Kubrick do well and/or what doesn't he do well?

A thousand things. :)

A) After he was established, he was able to secure final cut (his final home for studio distribution thought he was a genius and living treasure and were willing to work with him on terms that were acceptable to him - that was an absolute, non-negotiable), so you knew you were seeing HIS vision, pure and unadulterated. His possibly unique power in the industry extended to pulling Clockwork Orange (at least in the UK), probably an unprecedented act before or since?

B) He had great taste in material. Nabokov (Lolita) was a Nobel laureate in literature. Arthur C. Clarke was one of the towering figures in science fiction with Robert Heinlein and Isaac Asimov (also a Nobel laureate, in his case for suggesting the idea of geo-synchronous orbits so critical to modern satellite communications, Kubrick collected them like Al Davis hoarded Heisman winners and speed merchants). Burgess was one of the great British writers of the second half of the 20th century (Kubrick was born in the Bronx but became an ex-pat and settled in England), and Clockwork Orange is one of the greatest dystopian novels ever, with We, Brave New World, 1984, Darkness At Noon, etc. King is one of the greatest horror writers.

C) He was an innovator. 2001 had pioneering special effects (half decade in development) that had never been seen before. Doug Trumbull later also worked on Blade Runner, among others. It is arguably a high water mark technically and for effects in the genre to this day. Kubrick wanted to film Barry Lyndon in period correct natural light (similar to The Revenant). Sometimes he used so many candles the set caught fire! But in the excellent 2+ hour doc, A Life In Pictures , they related an anecdote about how he Frankensteined 1-2 extremely rare rear projection cameras with a Zeiss lens developed for NASA to achieve the capability of the look he was seeking. If the technology didn't exist to realize the vision in his head, he was smart enough, and resourceful enough to get the world class help he needed to create it. The Shining may not have been the FIRST, but one of the first films to employ the soon to be ubiquitous Steadicam (a specially balanced "hand held" camera that damped shaking so it looked almost like a dolly shot, but permitted more flexibility in shooting).

D) As pointed out above, he was a photographer for magazines like LIFE and TIME (not sure about LOOK?) when still a teenager, he was very precocious. Later, an enfant terrible as a young director. He was a master at composition. Like few other masters (Kurosawa, Bergman, Fellini, Tarkovsky), you could almost freeze frame ANY point of the movie, print it and hang it in your living room, it would be a work of art.

E) Camera movement (including conception and execution), one of the greatest ever. No doubt he learned well from earlier masters like Eisenstein and Welles. Max Ophuls (maybe the greatest ever virtuoso of camera movement - has at least three films in the Criterion Collection) was cited and singled out by Kubrick as an important and primary influence in this regard.

F) I liked his taste in casting, generally, and thought he made some great choices there.

G) Music. 2001 was ingenius, with the Thus Spake Zarathustra intro, Strauss waltz for the space station. The Wendy Carlos synthesizer score and theme for Clockwork Orange meshed nearly PERFECTLY with the futuristic but bleak vision of Burgess. The BIZARRE juxtaposition of classical music with the gang rumbles, and ESPECIALLY using Singing In The Rain to accompany a brutal home invasion beating and rape was one of the most subversive, provocative and disturbing choices in the history of cinema, nobody would have done that but Kubrick.

Barry Lyndon had great period classical music. When he didn't feel the Carlos score was right for The Shining (only using for the intro helicopter tracking shot driving up the Rockies), he used some cues from contemporary avant garde composers such as Ligeti, Bartok and Penderecki, and supposedly improvised sounds himself (recurring theme, see 2001 and the Frankensteined camera on Barry Lyndon in the visual domain).

H) Editing. No way he could have so many great films and overall towering stature, if he wasn't brilliant in this department.

I) Perfectionist, and it shows up on the screen. He was known to even personally visit theaters to see if the A/V equipment was working properly, a level of detail almost unheard of from major directors. He was supposedly a proponent of many takes to shape the performance he was looking for (maybe it was genuine fatigue, it sounded like he genuinely terrorized Shelley Duvall in The Shining).

4. Anything on the list underrated or overrated in your opinion?

The Killing and Paths Of Glory, they are superior to several later works, but alas, not nearly as well known. Maybe Dr. Strangelove, just in the sense I have it third, but some could make a strong case it deserves to be higher?

5. What are your favorite scenes or characters of his films?

Sterling Hayden was an iconic noir actor (Asphalt Jungle). The end of The Killing was perfect (no spoiler) and I think different from the book. 2001 had several. The obelisk on the savannah, primate learning to use a bone as a killing tool, the segue way to another, slightly more complex tool, as bone morphs to space station, HAL eavesdropping on the astronauts, becoming a murderer, the end sequence in the room. The narration of Clockwork Orange was subversive. Jack Nicholson (Here's Johnny!). Full Metal Jacket, when Pyle snaps. I have to give special props to Peter Sellers for his tour de force three character performance in Dr. Strangelove, that would have to be tops. A lot of great scenes in that, too. When Sellers realizes Sterling Hayden is insane, in talking about maintaining his essence and denying women. :) No fighting in the war room. :) Probably the greatest black comedy ever (though that title may belong to Kind Hearts And Coronets, about an urbane serial killer who needs to knock off more than a half dozen relatives for an inheritance he feels he was unjustly denied - all played by Alec Guiness in a Sellers-like multi-character performance, even playing a woman in one case).

6. Why did you rank him how you did?

Didn't vote in the poll. I have Kurosawa and Kubrick about tied as co-GOAT. My favorite movies are probably Blade Runner, 2001 and Clockwork Orange, as well as Seven Samurai (Rashomon up there). At his best, Ridley Scott is a master, but I find his body of work as a whole more uneven and hit and miss. I like Friedkin a lot (Sorceror one of my favorites, also did the French Connection, The Exorcist, To Live And Die In LA), but I have the same criticism of his overall body of work. Probably Hitchcock would be third for me, so many classics. The British team of Powell and Pressburger were great (Scorcese one of their greatest and most influential champions, Powell's widow was his long time editor). I'm a big fan of the work of some more contemporary directors, such as Malick and surrealists Gilliam, Cronenberg and Lynch (all well represented in the Criterion Collection).

* Good aggregate review of the nearly definitive Kubrick Masterpiece Collection
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/13218/stanleykubrickthemasterpiececollectionamazonexclusive.html
Awesome review :thumbup:

 
Thanks, KarmaPolice (and BroncoFreak).

I was going to start a Kubrick thread if there wasn't one. You should be commended for starting it, for maybe the greatest director ever. I haven't read the whole thread, just the first few posts, but I will.

I'd add that I think Clockwork Orange is a misunderstood film (and novel). The heart of the cinematic adaptation as far as remaining true to Burgess is when McDowell is talking to the priest in the prison library and requests consideration for the "Ludovico technique" (also in the priest's objection during the powerful aversion therapy conditioning "demo" sequence). I've read Burgess describe his intent, and for him, it was almost a theological work. If a man has no choice or free will, is he still a man? And if not, is it better to allow evil?

* His movies could be EXTREMELY dark at times (though usually leavened with humor). In fairness, the world can be a dark place (look no further than the Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot genocides [[latter two inflicted on their own people and countrymen]] in his lifetime, and ISIS in contemporary times), and isn't always rainbows, puppy dogs and lollipops. I didn't find most of the violence in Clockwork Orange glorified, it was heavily stylized (at one point two gang members in the theater aborted rape/rumble sequence get flipped through a window simultaneously and perfectly in synch with the Baroque score). I think that it involved people on a voyeuristic level was subversive and rightly disturbing to some, based on their own reactions to the material.

** A few other signature traits and attributes that were oversights above.

Sound - Separate from music, where he was also brilliant. His sound design was imo peerless, possibly even to this day. Very influential. And not just sound, but the ABSENCE of sound, in the hands (ears? :) ) of a skilled master like Kubrick, is a powerful part of the cinematic experience. Parts of The Shining, if you listen specifically for it, are almost hermetically sealed, and have ABSOLUTELY zero ambient sounds. It is almost like he is playing God, and choosing what you get to hear or not. It isn't naturalistic, it is stylized, a heightened contrast between sound and silence. Even subliminally, this can add to the general claustrophobic oppressiveness of the cabin fever descent into madness.

Pacing - Generally masterful, though again, wasn't a big fan of EWS, Barry Lyndon and Lolita.

An almost inhuman confluence of work ethic, stamina and endurance, concentration and focus, intelligence, taste in collaborators, talent to attract the best from an early stage, eye for detail, painterly sense of light, ability to handle scale and scope, made his movies look like no other, before or since (I thought Ridley Scott got close in Blade Runner). His movies have a kind of authenticity and verisimilitude that mark them as unmistakably his (and likely influential on the next generation of film makers - Michael Mann hired a former safe cracker as an, ahem, "technical consultant" on Thief, and Billy Friedkin hired a former counterfeiter in the same capacity for To Live And Die In LA). He had no sources in the military, yet his cockpit scenes in Dr. Strangelove got their attention due to the plausibility of the depicted protocols. He did a lot of research on NASA for his realization of 2001. The production design of Clockwork Orange was visionary. I think he used period correct music in Barry Lyndon. The source material of Full Metal Jacket was based on the Vietnam combat dispatches of a former soldier. Certainly not unprecedented (Malick's Thin Red Line another example from a WW II perspective, eyewitness, first person narrative source material), but probably not common, either.

I may have been too hard on Spartacus (probably because he disowned it). One way to illustrate Kubrick's greatness is that a movie he DISOWNED won four Oscars (supporting actor, production design, costumes and cinematography) and was nominated for two others (including music). I decided to check out the new Blu-ray (just watched the Criterion DVD), it might be the only restoration I've heard of that was done at 6K. Despite Kubrick not personally developing the project, it has a lot of strengths, including great acting. He was still able to bring in some of his sensibility, though obviously it was more circumscribed by his lack of earlier involvement. He did give his blessing on an earlier restoration, extending even to directions for a sequence that needed to be rerecorded due to loss of a vocal track (Tony Curtis was still alive and available, but Olivier had passed, so his widow suggest an earlier protégé, Anthony Hopkins, to sub for him). One review mentioned that he considered some level of success in a personal goal to subvert the clichés of a genre that was in danger of becoming a parody of itself.

I think of Kubrick like Bach or Beethoven (Miles and Coltrane), Da Vinci and Michelangelo. Sometimes there is development leading up to an artistic apex, and than (maybe like a series of mountain ranges, peaks and valleys), what follows is retrograde, maybe for a century or centuries. Film is kind of a combination of all art forms (literature, theater, music, architecture, photography, etc.), and in some ways the consummate art form of the 20th century - one reason I like it so much. Kubrick's unique combination of talents and range of abilities (autodidactic polymath), made him particularly well suited to and adept at mastering this inherently interdisciplinary art form, par excellance.

*** In one of the several docs on Clockwork Orange, one WB exec stated that Kubrick was simply the best in just about every aspect of film making. Probably true. He was the best director. If he had been a cinematographer, he would have been the best at that. Production designer? Best at that. Best editor? Sure. Probably not best writer, so the characterization breaks down at some point, but largely holds true. This is reminiscent of an Orson Welles (who was a producer, director, editor, actor, writer, did theatrical staging, was a famous radio personality, magician, etc.) anecdote. He was giving a speech on a rainy night so there was a small turnout. He opened by asking, "Why are there so many of me, and so few of you?"

 
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More great insight, Bob - I think you should visit my other director threads too. ;)

The one thing that always troubled me about Kubrick is that while he was amazing at finding these stories and novels to make into movies, none of his movies were original screenplays to my knowledge. To be quite honest, I have no idea how many of the best director's movies are original screenplays, but I have always been fascinated by directors who do their own work start to finish. I am getting greedy, I know. I just wish we had that one more step into the mind of Kubrick instead of having his vision of an existing novel.

 
Still not sure how someone could label him overrated. The dude created one of the greatest horror movies, war movies, anti-war movie, comedy moiv, sci-fi movie, etc. That is nuts. There wasn't a genre he couldn't do at top level.

 
Still not sure how someone could label him overrated. The dude created one of the greatest horror movies, war movies, anti-war movie, comedy moiv, sci-fi movie, etc. That is nuts. There wasn't a genre he couldn't do at top level.
Some rate him among the greatest of all time, which is a reach in my estimation, but those same people rank his movies higher than I would as well. It's a hand in hand argument, if someone overrates his movies they would likely overrate him also.

If you're looking for someone to argue that he's some talentless hack, I'm not your huckleberry. Overrated does not equal untalented.

He's just outside of the top ten for me, which is some pretty rarified air.

 

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