stuckinthemuck
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Let's get fresh poll results. I'm betting that Rivers gets over 50% of the votes this time around.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
I voted Clay, just to get him some more votes because I don't feel he will win it and will get overlooked.
In reality, its Rivers by a small margin over Brady, Vick, and Manning.
Those 4 will likely be in that conversation til the end. Others could sneak in...Rodgers if they go on a tear with the upcoming schedule, that would be impressive.
Matt Ryan and Brees too could get into this conversation.
In reality, its Rivers by a small margin over Brady, Vick, and Manning.
Those 4 will likely be in that conversation til the end. Others could sneak in...Rodgers if they go on a tear with the upcoming schedule, that would be impressive.
Matt Ryan and Brees too could get into this conversation.
Ever Present Lurker
Footballguy
I had to go with Vick, and I'm not a fan. But the difference he makes to the Eagles is the difference between being a Superbowl contender or missing the playoffs altogether.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I didn't go with Rivers because guys on teams with near-.500 records don't win MVPs.
Difference between Eagles with Kolb vs Eagles with Vick is probably several wins, a division crown and a high playoff spot.
That's alway true of Brees, Brady and Manning but you can't give it to them every year. Of course Brees is due too but unfortunately his team is not winning the division, at least not at this point.
Difference between Eagles with Kolb vs Eagles with Vick is probably several wins, a division crown and a high playoff spot.
That's alway true of Brees, Brady and Manning but you can't give it to them every year. Of course Brees is due too but unfortunately his team is not winning the division, at least not at this point.
Black
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Chargers homer here, but Rivers is the only reason this team has had a chance.
If he pulls them into playoff contention by the time voting is conducted, I can't see how he doesn't win this.
Vick has been out of his mind, but missed alot of the season. If he stays healthy and keeps tearing up other teams, he might get the nod (although comeback player of the year would be more appropriate?)
If he pulls them into playoff contention by the time voting is conducted, I can't see how he doesn't win this.
Vick has been out of his mind, but missed alot of the season. If he stays healthy and keeps tearing up other teams, he might get the nod (although comeback player of the year would be more appropriate?)
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Tau837
Footballguy
Rivers is leading the league in passing yards and passing TDs despite being just 8th in passing attempts. He is #2 in QB rating behind Vick. He is averaging 9 yards per attempt!
In addition, he's done it with a constantly rotating supporting cast. He has thrown 8 TDs in the past 2 games, to these receivers: Ajirotutu (2), McMichael (2), Floyd, Sproles, Crayton, and Hester. Not a compelling group there. The Chargers have used a league high 70 players this season, and 15 players have caught at least one pass.
The Chargers are one game behind KC in their division, but they still get to play KC at home. If they can beat the Colts this week, I think their schedule sets up nicely for them to finish with 10 or 11 wins, which should get them into the playoffs.
Rivers is still on pace to eclipse Marino's single season passing yardage record, although I am not confident he will maintain the pace. Games like last night where the Chargers get up early and he only throws 24 passes do not help. Still, it's hard for me to imagine that he will not win if the Chargers make the playoffs and he throws for 5000 yards.
In addition, he's done it with a constantly rotating supporting cast. He has thrown 8 TDs in the past 2 games, to these receivers: Ajirotutu (2), McMichael (2), Floyd, Sproles, Crayton, and Hester. Not a compelling group there. The Chargers have used a league high 70 players this season, and 15 players have caught at least one pass.
The Chargers are one game behind KC in their division, but they still get to play KC at home. If they can beat the Colts this week, I think their schedule sets up nicely for them to finish with 10 or 11 wins, which should get them into the playoffs.
Rivers is still on pace to eclipse Marino's single season passing yardage record, although I am not confident he will maintain the pace. Games like last night where the Chargers get up early and he only throws 24 passes do not help. Still, it's hard for me to imagine that he will not win if the Chargers make the playoffs and he throws for 5000 yards.
CentralPA
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I can't believe I am making an argument against Vick but Rivers has had almost nothing to help him out this year on the offensive side of the ball. His best WR has been sitting on his butt waiting to get a new contract and also serving suspension. He no longer has LT, Ryan Matthews had been hurt. Floyd has been hurt, Naanee has been hurt. He's only had Gates for the most part and he's got his team to 5-5 and still a decent shot to win the division.I agree that if Kolb were in there instead of Vick they probably don't have as many wins. It's very close between Vick and Rivers but since Rivers has been healthier and has had much less to work with I think he gets it so far. If Vick outplays him for the rest of the year and doesn't get hurt then it's Vicks.
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Tau837
Footballguy
By the way, I posted this elsewhere, but it is worth reposting here. I believe it is true that no MVP has ever missed 3 or more games in a non-strike season. So for Vick to win would be unprecedented in that sense.
Combine that fact with the fact that some voters may be reluctant to vote for him given his past (whether that is right or wrong), and I don't think he has much of a chance unless he maintains this blistering pace, stays healthy, and Philly wins out.
Even then, it would be dependent on what the other QBs do... for example, if the Chargers win out and Rivers breaks Marino's record, I think he would win over Vick. Or if the Colts win out and Manning throws for 5000 yards and 35 TDs, I think he would win. Etc.
Combine that fact with the fact that some voters may be reluctant to vote for him given his past (whether that is right or wrong), and I don't think he has much of a chance unless he maintains this blistering pace, stays healthy, and Philly wins out.
Even then, it would be dependent on what the other QBs do... for example, if the Chargers win out and Rivers breaks Marino's record, I think he would win over Vick. Or if the Colts win out and Manning throws for 5000 yards and 35 TDs, I think he would win. Etc.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Even though the Eagles most impressive win so far is the one over the Falcons, a game in which Kolb started and played extremely well?
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Rivers seems like the obvious choice. As a Raider fan, I do not like Rivers or SD but I have to give the kid credit. He is playing extremely well with no real RB, with a hurting star TE, and a rotating cast of WRs.
Vick is playing very well but has not played as well each week as Rivers.
Mathews is the D MVP hands down.
Vick is playing very well but has not played as well each week as Rivers.
Mathews is the D MVP hands down.
UncleZen
Footballguy
Just to clarify, is this NFL MVP or FFB MVP? I think a lot of people are overlooking what Brady and the Pats have done against all of the top teams in the NFL this year and he certainly doesn't have the supporting cast that Vick does. I believe this should be a 2 horse race between Rivers and Brady, neither one of which I own in FFB.
stuckinthemuck
Footballguy
I meant NFL MVP. The debate is raging because there's no clear front runner.
puckalicious
Footballguy
Ndamukong Suh.
ROY
DPOY
MVP
ROY
DPOY
MVP
sho nuff
Footballguy
ROY yesDPOY and MVP...not even close.
puckalicious
Footballguy
I agree that any player on a losing team will never get those awards. However Suh will finish with double digit sacks, as a rookie, playing DT. Very rare company.
sho nuff
Footballguy
And they rank poorly in rushing yards and TDs against and overall as a defense on a team that right now has 2 wins.Meanwhile, in his 2nd year, Clay Matthews leads the league in sacks for a team that ranks first in points against and in the top 4 in sacks and has 7 wins.Suh is great...and a best and likely will win some DPOY someday. I don't think he is close this year though.
footballnerd
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Gotta go Rivers, I see them winning 7 of their last 9 to go 9-7 to win the division when Gates and VJax get back. He's been winning with most of his guys hurt even down the kicker, gotta give it up for Rivers.
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puckalicious
Footballguy
You illustrate the problem I have with these "player" awards that really are about which teams are doing the best.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
So Rivers is more valuable than Vick....interesting.
Tau837
Footballguy
And San Diego has the worst special teams in the league by a huge margin... which has cost the Chargers 2-3 games.
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PizzaDeliveryGuy
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Without a doubt.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Yes, it is. Rivers should win this thing in a relative landslide. Not to say Vick or others aren't deserving of consideration, but Rivers has been phenomenal.
two_dollars
Footballguy
Head and shoulders it's Rivers.
That's Polamalu
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Really, what if everyone voted like that, you'd have a pool of garbage.If San Diego wins their division, Phillip Rivers is the MVP of the season easily, followed by Mike Vick who hasn't played the entire season.I don't think Arian Foster on a terrible Houston team should be ahead of Peyton Manning, but w/e.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
PizzaDeliveryGuy said:
Eric Stratton
Footballguy
CalBear
Footballguy
I voted for Rivers coming off three wins, but what if San Diego loses to Indianapolis and Oakland and misses the playoffs? Highly plausible scenario.
Insein
Footballguy
If Rivers throws fpr 8-10 TDs in those games but loses 42-35 then I don't think you can fault him. Defense and special teams are killing them right now.
JD in the Valley
Footballguy
You do realize when you say this in the first post that you sway the vote, right?
You guys talk all you want about Vick and what he means to Philly.The fact is, if Vick goes down, Philly won't go down anywhere NEAR as much as some other teams.
Close your eyes and imagine what would happen if any of these guys listed were to be lost for the season, and you have to agree if Peyton, Rivers, Brady were lost for the season, these teams probably don't win again, and that is especially true with Peyton and Rivers, then Rodgers, and to a lesser extent Brees and Brady.
Heck, think of what Bradford has done for St. Louis. Think of what a future HOF QB has NOT done in Minnesota this year compared to last year.
JD in the Valley
Footballguy
Most people didn't 'get' that, I did, hahahahahaha!
Insein
Footballguy
Kolb is 2-1 in games he started and finished including beating the 8-2 Atlanta falcons handily. Vick is good but he hasnt played the whole year and the team would still make the playoffs without him. Most Valuable Player means which player is not only the best for his team but the most costly if the team doesn't have him. Colts and Chargers would have 1 maybe 2 wins without their QBs.
jojoh07
Footballguy
So without Vick do u see philly even sniffing 500 ?? especially with there rough sched this year ? i see a 5-11 6-10 team
AngryGorilla
Footballguy
vick or rivers.... coin flip
Insein
Footballguy
Actually with Kolb, they've proven they can play well. I see them at 9-7 or 10-6 with Kolb while Vick gets them to possible 11-5 or 12-4.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
And nobody has ever won Comeback Player of the Year and MVP in the same season.
PhilLynott
Footballguy
My guess is that McNabb, Kolb, or Vick, the Eagles have a play-off team. Andy Reid is a true offensive GENIUS.(Yes that word is overused, but in this case it is deserved.) Vick is more dynamic but the Eagles are a solid team that will win with a solid QB.
Chaka
Footballguy
And where would the Colts be without Manning? The Pats without Brady?The Eagles without Vick would still probably be a winning team.People always mention that Manning has the benefit of Reggie Wayne but forget that Antonio Gates has been having a season for the ages (even with missing two games) naturally because of Rivers but Wayne has been average at best while Manning is being his usual superlative self. Anyone want to try and argue that Austin Collie is the reason that Manning has played so well.Show of hands who takes Wayne over Gates in a redraft? Even in leagues where you combine WRs & TEs?Truth is Brady has probably performed the best with the least supporting cast. They have gone 5-1 since getting rid of Moss without any sort of dominant running game or defense but they keep winning.But with QBs it's always sketchy, "Gee the team with a top 5 QB sucks horribly when that QB gets injured?" "SHOCkING!!!".For the record I went with Roddy White. Rivers, Manning & Brady have shown that a great QB will manage without a great WR but my personal belief is "As goes Roddy White, so go the Falcons." There are not many, if any, WRs, particularly on playoff teams, you can say that about.He'll never win it but I would vote for him.
CalBear
Footballguy
11-5?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
We've already seen New England win 10 games without Brady.The Colts win 12+ games year after year. Without Manning, it would be 4 wins year after year. That's why he's the best ever.
Chaka
Footballguy
This year? To be fair that was an 18-1 team Cassel took over.Moss was still playing fairly hard and Cassel is probably a tad better than...who? Seriously, without looking it up who is their backup this year? (Yes I actually knew it was Cassel at the time, always liked him as a prospect because there was no shame in being beat out by Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart at that time).
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