harrycarey
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Here it is.. I did it yesterday and as we get closer to time I'll add in some trades.
Mock Draft
Thoughts?
Mock Draft
Thoughts?
They have so many needs. it's tough to pick for them.. Ngata, Huff, Hawk, Davis are all viable optionsI love the 49ers pick but I dont think that happens. Maybe they will trade down and take this guy but I think they will grab a defensive player, more than likely, Huff who had a great combine.
If Jackson truly distances himself from santonio holmes after the pro days are over i think someone will be trading up to around the 12 pick to get him. Someone on here has talked about Parcells' distaste for taking wr's early but i agree after LB that would be the way to go in the firstTrue, nice effort though.
I would love to see the Cowboys trade down a little and grab Chad Jackson. I think that guy has superstar written all over him.
Yeah, Parcells said that but didnt he draft Keyshawn and Terry Glenn in the first?I don't like linebacker in the draft. I would like them to grab a guy in free agency. This team is built to win now in my opinion and they have the pieces in place to win.If Jackson truly distances himself from santonio holmes after the pro days are over i think someone will be trading up to around the 12 pick to get him. Someone on here has talked about Parcells' distaste for taking wr's early but i agree after LB that would be the way to go in the firstTrue, nice effort though.
I would love to see the Cowboys trade down a little and grab Chad Jackson. I think that guy has superstar written all over him.
thanks for the props.. its obvious you and bloom are the closest things to draft experts here and yalls input is always valuableas for the standard... as time goes on I'll add in some trades because we know there will be some and usually some of the involved teams are made known early on.It's such a solid mock it seems standard and boring. That's no fun, but it's an excellent mock. I like Ngata in Oakland, and have for awhile, but if Hawk is there, and it looks likely at this point... tough call.
I thought someone here has said that Glenn was forced upon him.. hence the "she" comments.Yeah, Parcells said that but didnt he draft Keyshawn and Terry Glenn in the first?I don't like linebacker in the draft. I would like them to grab a guy in free agency. This team is built to win now in my opinion and they have the pieces in place to win.If Jackson truly distances himself from santonio holmes after the pro days are over i think someone will be trading up to around the 12 pick to get him. Someone on here has talked about Parcells' distaste for taking wr's early but i agree after LB that would be the way to go in the firstTrue, nice effort though.
I would love to see the Cowboys trade down a little and grab Chad Jackson. I think that guy has superstar written all over him.
yep6. San Fran- Vernon Davis (TE/Freak) - need offensive weapons if Alex Smith is going to improve
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I would really like to see some more commentary. It's boring to read the same mock over and over, which is basically what I see here.It's certainly admirable to me when anyone puts in the effort to pick 32 college players and put them on NFL teams, but isn't the point so you can learn about the players? If you want some real analysis and feedback, try to engage the more in-tune football gurus, not the "average Joe".Here it is.. I did it yesterday and as we get closer to time I'll add in some trades.
Mock Draft
Thoughts?
Yes, Parcells was very much against the Glenn selection. This decision led to his famous "why would you hire a chef and not let him buy the groceries" speech. He badgered Glenn all year with that "she" comment and left the Patriots largely over the Pats selecting Glenn over his guy.It would be hard to credit Parcells with drafting a WR that year.I thought someone here has said that Glenn was forced upon him.. hence the "she" comments.
I would really like to see some more commentary. It's boring to read the same mock over and over, which is basically what I see here.It's certainly admirable to me when anyone puts in the effort to pick 32 college players and put them on NFL teams, but isn't the point so you can learn about the players? If you want some real analysis and feedback, try to engage the more in-tune football gurus, not the "average Joe".Here it is.. I did it yesterday and as we get closer to time I'll add in some trades.
Mock Draft
Thoughts?
If I see AJ Hawk to Oakland at No.7, I don't want to read about Al Davis and his infatuation with busty blondes, I want to read something that says like this:
"You know why Kirk Morrison had 116 tackles as the Raiders' starting WLB this year? Awesome right? Because every chance the opposing offense got, they threw the ball right at him. Every single time. Lather, Rinse, Repeat. Morrison is all about the hard-nosed run-stoppage, and is far too slow to be an effective WLB at the pro level. When the Raiders take Hawk, though, Morrison scoots over to the Strong side and makes the Pro Bowl in 2007. Hawk is a pure-bred coverage LB and is a monster on the field with perhaps the best football intelligence of any defensive player in the draft. Not only does this pick solidify the LB corps through the next decade, but the added pressure from Morrison on the running game and quarterback is going to help mask the inevitable deficiencies at LDE and eat that extra fifth of a second so their young tandem of CBs don't have to be stranded on islands as long."
Now, will all of that come true? Who knows, but it would immediately draw in every Raider homer reading your article to actually give you some constructive criticism and maybe even change their own perceptions of the pick. There's enough information there to spend a half hour picking apart. I mean, I suppose I could contemplate Al Davis fantasizing about AJ Hawk like you said, but what good would that really do any of us?
That's what you want to do. You want to learn, and help others learn. That's what mocks are about. We can't get every pick right, but if you're just penciling in picks using a consensus bias and throwing out cheesy one-liners, you're not going to do anyone any good, especially yourself.
Bottom line is, do a little research on each pick. It takes a little longer, but you will understand a lot more and have much more confidence in your picks and ammunition to engage in real debate with others and in turn deliver an even better product in the future.
I could have just said "your mock is stupid Jay Cutler isn't falling to 16." But what good would that do you? It's pretty much the same thing here. The more you put in, the more you and the readers will get out of it.
Hope this helps you in your quest for the perfect mock.
This is strong constructive criticism here, as opposed to what I am about to say:You used some variation of "too good to pass up" three times within five selections.I would really like to see some more commentary. It's boring to read the same mock over and over, which is basically what I see here.
It's certainly admirable to me when anyone puts in the effort to pick 32 college players and put them on NFL teams, but isn't the point so you can learn about the players? If you want some real analysis and feedback, try to engage the more in-tune football gurus, not the "average Joe".
If I see AJ Hawk to Oakland at No.7, I don't want to read about Al Davis and his infatuation with busty blondes, I want to read something that says like this:
"You know why Kirk Morrison had 116 tackles as the Raiders' starting WLB this year? Awesome right? Because every chance the opposing offense got, they threw the ball right at him. Every single time. Lather, Rinse, Repeat. Morrison is all about the hard-nosed run-stoppage, and is far too slow to be an effective WLB at the pro level. When the Raiders take Hawk, though, Morrison scoots over to the Strong side and makes the Pro Bowl in 2007. Hawk is a pure-bred coverage LB and is a monster on the field with perhaps the best football intelligence of any defensive player in the draft. Not only does this pick solidify the LB corps through the next decade, but the added pressure from Morrison on the running game and quarterback is going to help mask the inevitable deficiencies at LDE and eat that extra fifth of a second so their young tandem of CBs don't have to be stranded on islands as long."
Now, will all of that come true? Who knows, but it would immediately draw in every Raider homer reading your article to actually give you some constructive criticism and maybe even change their own perceptions of the pick. There's enough information there to spend a half hour picking apart. I mean, I suppose I could contemplate Al Davis fantasizing about AJ Hawk like you said, but what good would that really do any of us?
That's what you want to do. You want to learn, and help others learn. That's what mocks are about. We can't get every pick right, but if you're just penciling in picks using a consensus bias and throwing out cheesy one-liners, you're not going to do anyone any good, especially yourself.
Bottom line is, do a little research on each pick. It takes a little longer, but you will understand a lot more and have much more confidence in your picks and ammunition to engage in real debate with others and in turn deliver an even better product in the future.
I could have just said "your mock is stupid Jay Cutler isn't falling to 16." But what good would that do you? It's pretty much the same thing here. The more you put in, the more you and the readers will get out of it.
Hope this helps you in your quest for the perfect mock.
Well, if you are just looking for corroboration on your mock, why bother asking for feedback?My whole point is, if you want better critique from the footballI like Chaos' comments better......
good point about doing more commentary, but also doing a mock this early and posting it on here, I'm trying to get feedback from homers or "experts" who know more about a team or player than i do
Has to be something not to like if hes lasting til pick 24.24. Cincinnati- Antonio Cromartie (CB)- 6'3 and 4.4 40, what's not to like?
see this is what I'm looking for.... aren't they pretty solid at DT with Rogers? I guess a DE could be there but that might be a reach for Hali. Maybe Greenway or Oline?I wish people would stop putting Michael Huff to the Lions at 9. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! They'll concentrate on the trenches and front 7 in the first round. There are a couple good safetys available later in the first day. Besides that, they just paid BIG money to Kenoy Kennedy (who plays the same position as Huff) last year. They'll draft a guy a bit later (FS's are a dime a dozen) with more speed than T. Holt.
In addition, Safety really isn't a hallmark position of the T2D. Sure, having a good safety is great and all, but the defense is built on that front four getting an amazing amount of pressure and the LB corps being free to make plays, which takes pressure off of the CBs and creates so many nightmares in coverage for offenses.I really think Hali would be a solid pick. People tell me it's a reach, but I think it might have been a reach when he was in the low 260s. Now he's at 275 and hasn't lost a step, erasing any doubts of him only being a pass-rushing DE with suspectable run-stopping abilities. Now he's in that weight range to be considered an all-around DE at the next level, and that weakside DE is so critical for the T2D to be effective.see this is what I'm looking for.... aren't they pretty solid at DT with Rogers? I guess a DE could be there but that might be a reach for Hali. Maybe Greenway or Oline?I wish people would stop putting Michael Huff to the Lions at 9. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! They'll concentrate on the trenches and front 7 in the first round. There are a couple good safetys available later in the first day. Besides that, they just paid BIG money to Kenoy Kennedy (who plays the same position as Huff) last year. They'll draft a guy a bit later (FS's are a dime a dozen) with more speed than T. Holt.
The Colts aren't going to draft Maroney. Everybody is just wrong.If they wanted an Edge RB, they would keep the one they have, especially with this new-found cap room.just about every mock i've looked at on FBG's has the Colts taking maroney,is this wishful thinking? or does this guy really fall that far? i like him but if the Colts dont bring back Edge and draft Maroney,that's a dream come true...
I am still pretty much on my own little island with Maroney. But I still believe he will fall easily into the 2nd round.thanks for the input brandow,i have the #4 and #6 picks in our rookie draft and am just trying to plan ahead...
noted for next... can u tell me a little about McCoy? thanks![]()
Quality mock harrycarey
RE: the Eagles, I don't see them taking Greenway. They re-signed Shawn Barber today, drafted McCoy in the 2nd round last year, and Greenway hurt himself at the Combine to boot.
Maroney will be cheaper, more explosive and have a lot less mileage on his legsThe Colts aren't going to draft Maroney. Everybody is just wrong.If they wanted an Edge RB, they would keep the one they have, especially with this new-found cap room.just about every mock i've looked at on FBG's has the Colts taking maroney,is this wishful thinking? or does this guy really fall that far? i like him but if the Colts dont bring back Edge and draft Maroney,that's a dream come true...
There have been reports that they want a more power running game. Someone explain to me how a 210 lb back is a power-rusher.
No, this team has Najeh Davenport written all over them if they drop Edge.
RE: Parcells and 1st round WRs. Direct quote from BP, "I think taking wide receivers real high is risky." LinkParcells inherited Keyshawn. He did draft Glenn, but as others have noted, that was forced upon him, led to him calling Glenn "She", led to the "Shop for Groceries" comment, and led to him leaving.Yeah, Parcells said that but didnt he draft Keyshawn and Terry Glenn in the first?I don't like linebacker in the draft. I would like them to grab a guy in free agency. This team is built to win now in my opinion and they have the pieces in place to win.If Jackson truly distances himself from santonio holmes after the pro days are over i think someone will be trading up to around the 12 pick to get him. Someone on here has talked about Parcells' distaste for taking wr's early but i agree after LB that would be the way to go in the firstTrue, nice effort though.
I would love to see the Cowboys trade down a little and grab Chad Jackson. I think that guy has superstar written all over him.
Man, how can you take Vernon Davis with the 6th pick? Thats far too high imo for a TE. You win by getting solid upfront first and then assembling skilll guys. San Fran better take a lineman for either side of the ball or theyre seriously hurting themselves. I recognize the skill with Vern, but not at 6. Trade down and get an extra pick or two if you really want him. But, still.....you win games up front....not with stellar TE play. There's ONE TE in the league that's been a major difference maker like that....Gates...and he was a FA acquistion if Im not mistaken.
The league is a copycat league and everyone wants to land their Antonio Gates/Tony Gonzalez these days. Furthermore, Vernon Davis had arguably the best combine by a TE in history, it was that dominant. Remember, he had better measurables than any WR or RB, and is strong as an ox. In my first mock I had SF taking Davis at 7 [before the coin toss]. I don't think he's a lock to go that high, but I also think teams are deluding themselves if they think he'll be sitting there for the taking at 11-12.Man, how can you take Vernon Davis with the 6th pick? Thats far too high imo for a TE. You win by getting solid upfront first and then assembling skilll guys. San Fran better take a lineman for either side of the ball or theyre seriously hurting themselves. I recognize the skill with Vern, but not at 6. Trade down and get an extra pick or two if you really want him. But, still.....you win games up front....not with stellar TE play. There's ONE TE in the league that's been a major difference maker like that....Gates...and he was a FA acquistion if Im not mistaken.Davis will probably be a top 10-12 pick, but I don't see him going #6.
and unable to run up the middle on 3rd and short. If they drafted maroney, they would go after a bruiser back anyway. He's too small.I just think the Colts are looking at 2 options:Maroney will be cheaper, more explosive and have a lot less mileage on his legs
good info hereand unable to run up the middle on 3rd and short. If they drafted maroney, they would go after a bruiser back anyway. He's too small.I just think the Colts are looking at 2 options:Maroney will be cheaper, more explosive and have a lot less mileage on his legs
1) bring back Edgerrin James and keep the same style of running game. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
2) bring in a power back and become a more smashmouth or one-cut running team.
It seems that spending a first-round pick on a RB from a value standpoint just doesn't make sense, considering they can retain Edge who is a proven commodity. More expensive, yes, but no question marks.
I don't agree with the "a lot less tread" logic because Edge has really only played 6 seasons (he didn't take hits after he tore his leg up). And considering he can run 4 or 5 yards before even touching a defender every play, and only sees 7 man fronts most of the time... I'd say he's got plenty left in the tank to warrant a long-term deal.
As for McCoy, he should be the starting SLB this year if Johnson feels he is ready. People have been projecting Greenway to PHI because he would come in and solidify the WLB position, but since they just signed Shawn Barber, their 2006 LB corps likely will look like this:
SLB - Matt McCoy
MLB - Jeremiah Trotter
WLB - Shawn Barber
There just isn't room for Greenway. Who do they take? I don't know. They really need help on the DL, and their OL really isn't as bad as people say. They have a lot of young talent through the draft to fill any holes they might have, because they always draft very well.
I could certainly see them going for Winston Justice if he's there, but I'd think that Brodrick Bunkley is probably the guy they have #1 on their list. I expect them to either trade up for him if need be or trade down and take a guy later in the first. Where they are picking at now just doesn't seem to work.... The team directly above them has almost identical needs IMO (Baltimore), and outside of a few players that might not fall, there really isn't anyone in that 12-18 range that would match what they want... so unless someone falls right into their lap, expect them to be on the move.
Remember that they have three third rounders. A #3 is pretty solid value to move up to 11 or 12 if they choose, and I think a trade with the Browns or Lions probably is most likely, should they see someone they want.