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My NFL playoff quick thoughts (1 Viewer)

Chase Stuart

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The 12 playoff teams fit evenly into four groups of three.

LOLs: Denver, Cincinnati, Houston

All of these teams have solid defenses, but really ugly offenses. Houston could have been elite, but with Yates the offense is a shell of its former self. The Broncos and Bengals are a whopping 0-9 against teams with 10 or more wins this season. Denver's offense takes halves off and isn't good when it shows up. Cincinnati's offense is only a little better, and was aided by some very turnover luck early in the season. A mediocre offense and a good but not great defense isn't a recipe for anything in the playoffs. Houston could have been a SB champ with Schaub and Mario Williams, but they're more like a team that could lose to the Colts right now.

Just Another Playoff Teams: New York, Atlanta, Detroit

None of these teams are as bad as the LOLs over in the AFC, but all lack a defense. They're kind of like the inverse of the AFC squads: they have good but not elite offenses and bad defenses; a formula for maybe winning one shootout but that's it. None of these teams can stop a good passing attack and none of these teams can run. The Lions and Giants are flat out bad at running, and the Falcons are only mediocre. Meanwhile, they have good but not elite passing attacks. The Giants probably have the best passing game, but Eli makes too many mistakes and the receivers make too many drops to overcome the flawed defense/running game.

Arena Bowl Champs: New Orleans, Green Bay, New England

Rodgers led the league in NY/A and ANY/A. Brees led the league in passing yards. Brady gained more yards than Rodgers and had a higher ANY/A and NY/A than Brees. The Packers have the best passing game but the Saints and Patriots have much better running games. All three offenses are 10s. But there's no defense here. The Patriots allowed the most first downs in the league. The Packers allowed the most yards. The Saints can't stop the run and aren't much better against the pass. All three defenses are helped out by offenses that don't put them in bad positions -- they don't turn the ball over and they don't go three and out and give the other team the ball at the 50 -- but they're all just bad.

GB and NE are helped immensely by having the #1 seed, but they're fundamentally flawed teams.

Teams coached by Harbaugh

Baltimore and San Francisco are mirror images of each other. They might have the best two defenses in the league. Both are stout against the run and pass and can rush the passer. They force a ridiculous amount of three and outs and can just cripple an offense. The Achilles heel? But like any great D, they're susceptible to an elite passing attack. Romo and Vick did very well against SF, and Eli Manning was nearly as good. Rivers shredded the Ravens, and Roethlisberger and Hasselbeck made the Ravens defense look mortal. Of course, the reason the defenses need to be so good is because both teams struggle so much on offense, specifically at QB. The 49ers can't do anything well on offense -- Alex Smith was mediocre at best even this season in all of the efficiency numbers. Flacco might even be worse, but at least he's got more history of success. The running backs are great, but neither quarterback is good enough to count on in a shoot out.

That leaves just one team, who nominally belongs in the category with Baltimore and San Francisco. The Steelers have an elite defense -- they rank 1st in yards, points, net yards per pass and first downs allowed. But unlike Baltimore and San Francisco, Pittsburgh has a quarterback. Pittsburgh had some awful turnover luck this season -- they ranked 28th in turnover differential at -13. Yet somehow, they led the league in points allowed. But the offense is actually pretty good:

Mike Willace and Antonio Brown both have 1100 yards, while Heath Miller is a very good TE in the pre-Gronkowski days where a good TE didn't have to be an alien. Ward, Sanders and Cotchery enable Pittsburgh to have an effective spread offense. Pittsburgh ranks 4th in the NFL in third down percentage; they're in the top 10 in net yards per pass, first downs and passing yards. So why do the Steelers only rank 21st in points?

Mostly because they haven't had many drives. And they haven't scored much on defense this season. But coming into week 17, according to Football Outsiders (not updated for week 17 yet) the Steelers ranked 11th in points per drive. The Steelers forced the fewest turnovers in the league this season. Shocking, of course, but also the biggest reason their point production is ugly. Pittsburgh ranks 11th in points per drive despite having the 5th worst average field position to start a drive. Pittsburgh actually ranks FIFTH in yards per drive. This is a very good offense that just hasn't been put in a position to score a ton of points.

You can forget about the LOLs and put the JAPTs in your rearview mirror a second later. NE, NO and GB have ridiculous offenses but bad defenses. Bal and SF have ridiculous defenses but mediocre offenses. Only one team doesn't have to compensate for one of its units. Pittsburgh has an elite defense and a very good offense, just a little bit behind those other two teams.

Take a look at how these teams all look in Net Yards per Attempt, Net Yards per Attempt Allowed, and differential:

Code:
Tm                       NY/A   NY/AA   DiffPittsburgh Steelers      6.98   4.87    2.11Houston Texans           7.01   5.21    1.80New Orleans Saints       7.79   6.31    1.49New York Giants          7.67   6.41    1.26Green Bay Packers        8.30   7.20    1.10Detroit Lions            6.86   5.94    0.92New England Patriots     7.89   7.14    0.76Baltimore Ravens         5.93   5.39    0.55Atlanta Falcons          6.76   6.38    0.38Cincinnati Bengals       5.96   5.80    0.17San Francisco 49ers      5.92   5.95   -0.03Denver Broncos           5.17   6.44   -1.27
Pittsburgh can pass and stop the pass. Had Schaub stayed healthy, the Texans would be right up there. But as it stands, I only see one complete team in the entire NFL.
 
Steeler fan?

Don't look at past history to figure out who will win it all this year. It's a different league now

 
Formula to win in the NFL now, past 2 SB champs (Packers / Saints) - explosive offense and mediocre defense that can create turnovers.

 
Working against the Steelers is they are ravaged by injuries. But I agree they probably would be the most complete team if they were healthy.

 
Formula to win in the NFL now, past 2 SB champs (Packers / Saints) - explosive offense and mediocre defense that can create turnovers.
The 2010 Packers were 2nd in points allowed, 3rd in net yards per pass allowed, 4th in first downs allowed and 5th in yards allowed. That's not a mediocre defense.Agreed that the Saints D wasn't good, but to me that was more of an aberration. Creating turnovers is a great way to win games, but creating turnovers isn't something that's easy to rely on.
 
Mendenhall could be done for the season, Big Ben isn't 100% (and now has another game to play . . . even if it will be more like a preseason game), guys on defense and the OL has been banged up. I would agree that the numbers show the Steelers to be a solid pick, but the infirmary might tell us otherwise.

 
Formula to win in the NFL now, past 2 SB champs (Packers / Saints) - explosive offense and mediocre defense that can create turnovers.
The 2010 Packers were 2nd in points allowed, 3rd in net yards per pass allowed, 4th in first downs allowed and 5th in yards allowed. That's not a mediocre defense.Agreed that the Saints D wasn't good, but to me that was more of an aberration. Creating turnovers is a great way to win games, but creating turnovers isn't something that's easy to rely on.
The 2010 Packers led the NFL in yards allowed per point at 20.60. They were the only team above 20. They made opposing offenses more inefficient at turning yards into points than any other defense that year.
 
Mendenhall could be done for the season, Big Ben isn't 100% (and now has another game to play . . . even if it will be more like a preseason game), guys on defense and the OL has been banged up. I would agree that the numbers show the Steelers to be a solid pick, but the infirmary might tell us otherwise.
what he said. If your going to discount Houston because of injury (as you should) you have to do the same for Pittsburg
 
Mendenhall could be done for the season, Big Ben isn't 100% (and now has another game to play . . . even if it will be more like a preseason game), guys on defense and the OL has been banged up. I would agree that the numbers show the Steelers to be a solid pick, but the infirmary might tell us otherwise.
what he said. If your going to discount Houston because of injury (as you should) you have to do the same for Pittsburg
Mendenhall isn't a big loss. Pittsburgh's passing game is the key.Ben isn't 100%, but he looks to be getting better. The OL is always banged up. It was banged up in '08 and '10, too.On defense, all the key players are playing. It would be great if they had a bye, but that's life.
 
The 12 playoff teams fit evenly into four groups of three.

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Just Another Playoff Teams: New York, Atlanta, Detroit

None of these teams are as bad as the LOLs over in the AFC, but all lack a defense. They're kind of like the inverse of the AFC squads: they have good but not elite offenses and bad defenses; a formula for maybe winning one shootout but that's it. None of these teams can stop a good passing attack and none of these teams can run. The Lions and Giants are flat out bad at running, and the Falcons are only mediocre. Meanwhile, they have good but not elite passing attacks. The Giants probably have the best passing game, but Eli makes too many mistakes and the receivers make too many drops to overcome the flawed defense/running game.

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Take a look at how these teams all look in Net Yards per Attempt, Net Yards per Attempt Allowed, and differential:

Tm NY/A NY/AA DiffPittsburgh Steelers 6.98 4.87 2.11Houston Texans 7.01 5.21 1.80New Orleans Saints 7.79 6.31 1.49New York Giants 7.67 6.41 1.26Green Bay Packers 8.30 7.20 1.10Detroit Lions 6.86 5.94 0.92New England Patriots 7.89 7.14 0.76Baltimore Ravens 5.93 5.39 0.55Atlanta Falcons 6.76 6.38 0.38Cincinnati Bengals 5.96 5.80 0.17San Francisco 49ers 5.92 5.95 -0.03Denver Broncos 5.17 6.44 -1.27Pittsburgh can pass and stop the pass. Had Schaub stayed healthy, the Texans would be right up there. But as it stands, I only see one complete team in the entire NFL.
While it's well known you picked the wrong side in the Eli vrs. Stafford debate for 3rd NFC Pro Bowl QB, are you honestly still clinging to this?Passing % - Stafford (63.5 v. 61.0)

TDs/TD % - Stafford AINEC (41/6.2 v. 29/4.9)

Int/Int % - PUSH (Stafford 16/2.4 v. Manning 16/2.7)

Yards/YPG - Stafford (5,038/314.9 v. 4,933/308.3)

Passer Rating - Stafford (97.2 v. 92.9)

But, yeah, Manning is more efficient in YPA. Don't forget about the brand new we still don't know what it means QBR.

Stafford put up 5,038 yards and 41 TDs while Detroit had its most successful season in 16 years. Depsite that, he is still underrated and overlooked by way too many people.

 
I posted this early today and not a one of you had a single comment . . .

Playoff teams records vs. other playoff teams this year . . .

NE 1-2

BAL 6-0

HOU 3-2

DEN 1-3

PIT 3-4

CIN 0-7

GB 6-0

SF 4-1

NO 5-1

NYG 1-3

ATL 1-4

DET 1-5

 
Arena Bowl Champs: New Orleans, Green Bay, New England

The Saints can't stop the run and aren't much better against the pass.
The Saints ended the season 12th in the league in run defense.
The Saints also ranked 29th in yards per carry allowed. New Orleans is usually winning and forcing other teams to throw. But they don't stop the run well. Case in point, the Rams game. St. Louis set a season high in rushing that day, in a rare game where NO was the one playing catchup.
 
The 12 playoff teams fit evenly into four groups of three.

...

Just Another Playoff Teams: New York, Atlanta, Detroit

None of these teams are as bad as the LOLs over in the AFC, but all lack a defense. They're kind of like the inverse of the AFC squads: they have good but not elite offenses and bad defenses; a formula for maybe winning one shootout but that's it. None of these teams can stop a good passing attack and none of these teams can run. The Lions and Giants are flat out bad at running, and the Falcons are only mediocre. Meanwhile, they have good but not elite passing attacks. The Giants probably have the best passing game, but Eli makes too many mistakes and the receivers make too many drops to overcome the flawed defense/running game.

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Take a look at how these teams all look in Net Yards per Attempt, Net Yards per Attempt Allowed, and differential:

Tm NY/A NY/AA DiffPittsburgh Steelers 6.98 4.87 2.11Houston Texans 7.01 5.21 1.80New Orleans Saints 7.79 6.31 1.49New York Giants 7.67 6.41 1.26Green Bay Packers 8.30 7.20 1.10Detroit Lions 6.86 5.94 0.92New England Patriots 7.89 7.14 0.76Baltimore Ravens 5.93 5.39 0.55Atlanta Falcons 6.76 6.38 0.38Cincinnati Bengals 5.96 5.80 0.17San Francisco 49ers 5.92 5.95 -0.03Denver Broncos 5.17 6.44 -1.27Pittsburgh can pass and stop the pass. Had Schaub stayed healthy, the Texans would be right up there. But as it stands, I only see one complete team in the entire NFL.
While it's well known you picked the wrong side in the Eli vrs. Stafford debate for 3rd NFC Pro Bowl QB, are you honestly still clinging to this?Passing % - Stafford (63.5 v. 61.0)

TDs/TD % - Stafford AINEC (41/6.2 v. 29/4.9)

Int/Int % - PUSH (Stafford 16/2.4 v. Manning 16/2.7)

Yards/YPG - Stafford (5,038/314.9 v. 4,933/308.3)

Passer Rating - Stafford (97.2 v. 92.9)

But, yeah, Manning is more efficient in YPA. Don't forget about the brand new we still don't know what it means QBR.

Stafford put up 5,038 yards and 41 TDs while Detroit had its most successful season in 16 years. Depsite that, he is still underrated and overlooked by way too many people.
I know you guys are really excited to make the playoffs. Congrats.
 
Over the past 8 games played . . .

W-L, Point Differential, Turnover Differential

Code:
W	L	Pts	TONO	8	0	137	2NE	8	0	133	17GB	7	1	133	14SF	6	2	63	16PIT	6	2	61	-3BAL	6	2	34	-2HOU	5	3	42	1ATL	5	3	33	6DEN	5	3	-28	-6DET	4	4	-5	-2NYG	3	5	-20	0CIN	3	5	-37	-4
 
Chase, I'd be with you on the Steelers if Ben was 100%. But he's not.

He's not in the same league as Brady, Rodgers or Brees.

Whichever defense out of those three teams plays the best is going to win the super bowl. My prediction is the Pats.

 
I posted this early today and not a one of you had a single comment . . .Playoff teams records vs. other playoff teams this year . . .NE 1-2BAL 6-0HOU 3-2DEN 1-3PIT 3-4CIN 0-7 GB 6-0SF 4-1NO 5-1NYG 1-3ATL 1-4DET 1-5
Record of past 12 Super Bowl champions:45: Packers 3-344: Saints 3-143: Steelers 4-442: Giants 1-541: Colts 3-140: Steelers 2-439: Patriots 5-138: Patriots 5-037: Buccaneers 4-236: Patriots 2-335: Ravens 1-234: Rams 0-2Notes:1. 5/12 had losing records versus playoff teams.2. 5/12 had winning records versus playoff teams.3. Only 1 of the past 4 Super Bowl champions had a winning record versus playoff teams.
 
I posted this early today and not a one of you had a single comment . . .Playoff teams records vs. other playoff teams this year . . .NE 1-2BAL 6-0HOU 3-2DEN 1-3PIT 3-4CIN 0-7 GB 6-0SF 4-1NO 5-1NYG 1-3ATL 1-4DET 1-5
Flacco makes me nervous, but that is why I think Baltimore has a very good shot at coming out of the AFC: they play up and down to their level of competition. The best thing that could happen for the Ravens is the Texans beating the Bengals next week. If the Bengals win, NE would likely wipe them out in the divisional round, while Baltimore would (unless the Broncos somehow score the upset) have to endure another war with the Steelers, and even if they win that, having to travel the next week to play New England would be tough. They need to play Houston in the divisional round and hope the Patriots have to play the Steelers. if Cincinnati beats Houston next week, I think that New England, despite their obvious shortcomings, becomes the heavy AFC favorite.
 
I posted this early today and not a one of you had a single comment . . .Playoff teams records vs. other playoff teams this year . . .NE 1-2BAL 6-0HOU 3-2DEN 1-3PIT 3-4CIN 0-7 GB 6-0SF 4-1NO 5-1NYG 1-3ATL 1-4DET 1-5
Flacco makes me nervous, but that is why I think Baltimore has a very good shot at coming out of the AFC: they play up and down to their level of competition. The best thing that could happen for the Ravens is the Texans beating the Bengals next week. If the Bengals win, NE would likely wipe them out in the divisional round, while Baltimore would (unless the Broncos somehow score the upset) have to endure another war with the Steelers, and even if they win that, having to travel the next week to play New England would be tough. They need to play Houston in the divisional round and hope the Patriots have to play the Steelers. if Cincinnati beats Houston next week, I think that New England, despite their obvious shortcomings, becomes the heavy AFC favorite.
Houston will find a way to beat the Bungles.
 
'Fensalk said:
'Chase Stuart said:
'Shlon said:
Formula to win in the NFL now, past 2 SB champs (Packers / Saints) - explosive offense and mediocre defense that can create turnovers.
The 2010 Packers were 2nd in points allowed, 3rd in net yards per pass allowed, 4th in first downs allowed and 5th in yards allowed. That's not a mediocre defense.Agreed that the Saints D wasn't good, but to me that was more of an aberration. Creating turnovers is a great way to win games, but creating turnovers isn't something that's easy to rely on.
The 2010 Packers led the NFL in yards allowed per point at 20.60. They were the only team above 20. They made opposing offenses more inefficient at turning yards into points than any other defense that year.
hence another reason why yardage is a clearly a bad stat to measure a defense's efficiency. football games are about points, not yards. a great special teams unit, for example, can pin opponents deep. an opportunistic great bend but not break D will then allow the other team to march downfield but will get a crucial stop/turnover. as a result, the yardage they've allowed will be empty.the 2010 packers defense was very, very good. it's one of the most overlooked units in recent history to win the SB just because everyone is on QBs nuts' nowadays (and that's not to say Rodgers wasnt deserving, but GB defense just didnt get the credit it deserved).the 2010 packers team was a top 5 D virtually in any category besides rushing defense. football reference gave their D twice the grade of the offense. green bay's defense was better than their offense that year.
 
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'Chase Stuart said:
Alex Smith was mediocre at best even this season in all of the efficiency numbers
that can't be right, even though I'm far from an Alex Smith fan. if you said 'volume numbers', it'd make sense. but efficiency ? :confused: lets recap,Alex Smith finished the season ranked 11th in completion %. he finished first in interception % and first in interceptions thrown.he ranked 9th in qb rating.He has been efficient and very mistake-free, limiting his turnovers severely. the big problem here is the Niners' and Alex's inability to do much in the redzone.
 
'David Yudkin said:
I posted this early today and not a one of you had a single comment . . .Playoff teams records vs. other playoff teams this year . . .NE 1-2BAL 6-0HOU 3-2DEN 1-3PIT 3-4CIN 0-7 GB 6-0SF 4-1NO 5-1NYG 1-3ATL 1-4DET 1-5
I got a sure way of telling who will win it all.Packers 15-0 when leading after the 4th quarter. Yup you heard me 15-0! But then you look at the Ravens they are also undefeated after leading in the 4th quarter! Uh oh could mean trouble for the Packers!In the end I will go with Vegas as they take into account way more numbers than you are. Packers for the championship this year. Of course anthing can happen but thats more luck and any given Sunday, than numbers.If you try to cherry pick another number that shows your right, well then I will bet you $1000 that going into the playoffs you can't pick the next 10 Super Bowl champions. Heck I would even give you 2 picks out of the 12 teams in the playoffs and I would still bet you cant pick the next 10 in a row.
 
I got a sure way of telling who will win it all.Packers 15-0 when leading after the 4th quarter. Yup you heard me 15-0! But then you look at the Ravens they are also undefeated after leading in the 4th quarter! Uh oh could mean trouble for the Packers!In the end I will go with Vegas as they take into account way more numbers than you are. Packers for the championship this year. Of course anthing can happen but thats more luck and any given Sunday, than numbers.If you try to cherry pick another number that shows your right, well then I will bet you $1000 that going into the playoffs you can't pick the next 10 Super Bowl champions. Heck I would even give you 2 picks out of the 12 teams in the playoffs and I would still bet you cant pick the next 10 in a row.
The team with the best record in the league and top overall seed has won one Super Bowl in the past 14 years (03 Patriots). I'd be interested to hear theories on why the team with the best overall record rarely wins the SB in today's NFL.
 
'Chase Stuart said:
Alex Smith was mediocre at best even this season in all of the efficiency numbers
that can't be right, even though I'm far from an Alex Smith fan. if you said 'volume numbers', it'd make sense. but efficiency ? :confused: lets recap,Alex Smith finished the season ranked 11th in completion %. he finished first in interception % and first in interceptions thrown.he ranked 9th in qb rating.He has been efficient and very mistake-free, limiting his turnovers severely. the big problem here is the Niners' and Alex's inability to do much in the redzone.
He was well below average in sack rate, at nine percent. He was below average in TD rate. He was league average in yards per attempt and obviously a bit below league average in net yards per attempt, which takes into account sacks. About the only thing he did well was avoid interceptions, which is pretty fluky (and easy to do given his situation).
 
'Chase Stuart said:
Alex Smith was mediocre at best even this season in all of the efficiency numbers
that can't be right, even though I'm far from an Alex Smith fan. if you said 'volume numbers', it'd make sense. but efficiency ? :confused: lets recap,Alex Smith finished the season ranked 11th in completion %. he finished first in interception % and first in interceptions thrown.he ranked 9th in qb rating.He has been efficient and very mistake-free, limiting his turnovers severely. the big problem here is the Niners' and Alex's inability to do much in the redzone.
He was well below average in sack rate, at nine percent. He was below average in TD rate. He was league average in yards per attempt and obviously a bit below league average in net yards per attempt, which takes into account sacks. About the only thing he did well was avoid interceptions, which is pretty fluky (and easy to do given his situation).
sack rate ? what does sack rate has to do with anything, especially efficiency ? if anything, this tells you how bad the right side of the 49ers oline is (rachal/staley and davis), and how joe staley is nothing more than average left tackle and shouldnt have made the pro bowl.lol at 5 interceptions in 16 games 'easy to do'. out of all the QBs who have started 16 games, only Brady and Steve DeBerg have a better season INT% EVER.TD rate is a slight problem, but its a skewed stat as well. if you look at the TD% by itself its nearly worthless. carson palmer has a great y/a and td rate this year, but he sucks because of all the turnovers. efficiency implies counting the turnovers as well.
 
'David Yudkin said:
I posted this early today and not a one of you had a single comment . . .

Playoff teams records vs. other playoff teams this year . . .

NE 1-2

BAL 6-0

HOU 3-2

DEN 1-3

PIT 3-4

CIN 0-7

GB 6-0

SF 4-1

NO 5-1

NYG 1-3

ATL 1-4

DET 1-5
I got a sure way of telling who will win it all.

Packers 15-0 when leading after the 4th quarter. Yup you heard me 15-0! But then you look at the Ravens they are also undefeated after leading in the 4th quarter! Uh oh could mean trouble for the Packers!

In the end I will go with Vegas as they take into account way more numbers than you are. Packers for the championship this year. Of course anthing can happen but thats more luck and any given Sunday, than numbers.

If you try to cherry pick another number that shows your right, well then I will bet you $1000 that going into the playoffs you can't pick the next 10 Super Bowl champions. Heck I would even give you 2 picks out of the 12 teams in the playoffs and I would still bet you cant pick the next 10 in a row.
You know, my Lions are 10-0 this year when leading after the 4th quarter. I think they got a shot! Just sayin...
 
The team with the best record in the league and top overall seed has won one Super Bowl in the past 14 years (03 Patriots). I'd be interested to hear theories on why the team with the best overall record rarely wins the SB in today's NFL.
It clear that there has been a fundamental change around the time free agency came into being in the early 1990s. Free agency destroyed depth across the league. Perhaps a lack of depth is causing this in some way.year / best record / won Super Bowl?2011 / Packers / ????2010 / Patriots / no2009 / Colts / no2008 / Titans / no2007 / Patriots / no2006 / Chargers /no2005 / Colts / no2004 / Steelers / no2003 / Patriots / yes2002 / Eagles / no2001 / Rams / no2000 / Titans / no1999 / Jaguars / no1998 / Vikings / no1997 / Chiefs and 49ers / no1996 / Broncos / no1995 / Chiefs / no1994 / 49ers / yes1993 / Cowboys / yes1992 / Cowboys / yes1991 / Redskins / yes1990 / 49ers / no1989 / 49ers / yes1988 / Bears and Bills / no1987 / 49ers / no1986 / Giants / yes1985 / Bears / yes1984 / 49ers / yes1983 / Redskins / no1982 / Redskins / yes1981 / 49ers / yes1980 / Eagles / no1979 / Steelers / yes1978 / Steelers / yes1977 / Cowboys / yes1976 / Raiders / yes1975 / Steelers / yes1974 / Raiders / no1973 / Dolphins / yes1972 / Dolphins / yes1971 / Cowboys / yes1970 / Vikings / no1969 / Vikings / no1968 / Colts / no1967 / Rams / no1966 / Packers / yes
 
I got a sure way of telling who will win it all.Packers 15-0 when leading after the 4th quarter. Yup you heard me 15-0! But then you look at the Ravens they are also undefeated after leading in the 4th quarter! Uh oh could mean trouble for the Packers!In the end I will go with Vegas as they take into account way more numbers than you are. Packers for the championship this year. Of course anthing can happen but thats more luck and any given Sunday, than numbers.If you try to cherry pick another number that shows your right, well then I will bet you $1000 that going into the playoffs you can't pick the next 10 Super Bowl champions. Heck I would even give you 2 picks out of the 12 teams in the playoffs and I would still bet you cant pick the next 10 in a row.
The team with the best record in the league and top overall seed has won one Super Bowl in the past 14 years (03 Patriots). I'd be interested to hear theories on why the team with the best overall record rarely wins the SB in today's NFL.
Not saying that the team with the best record would win the super bowl only that I would take Vegas over someone trying to "break down the stats" and tell me who will win.
 
'David Yudkin said:
I posted this early today and not a one of you had a single comment . . .

Playoff teams records vs. other playoff teams this year . . .

NE 1-2

BAL 6-0

HOU 3-2

DEN 1-3

PIT 3-4

CIN 0-7

GB 6-0

SF 4-1

NO 5-1

NYG 1-3

ATL 1-4

DET 1-5
I got a sure way of telling who will win it all.

Packers 15-0 when leading after the 4th quarter. Yup you heard me 15-0! But then you look at the Ravens they are also undefeated after leading in the 4th quarter! Uh oh could mean trouble for the Packers!

In the end I will go with Vegas as they take into account way more numbers than you are. Packers for the championship this year. Of course anthing can happen but thats more luck and any given Sunday, than numbers.

If you try to cherry pick another number that shows your right, well then I will bet you $1000 that going into the playoffs you can't pick the next 10 Super Bowl champions. Heck I would even give you 2 picks out of the 12 teams in the playoffs and I would still bet you cant pick the next 10 in a row.
You know, my Lions are 10-0 this year when leading after the 4th quarter. I think they got a shot! Just sayin...
I think they are 6-0 or 7-0. They have staged several forth quarter comebacks. Looked like they had another one against GB, but they scored too quickly.
 
'David Yudkin said:
I posted this early today and not a one of you had a single comment . . .

Playoff teams records vs. other playoff teams this year . . .

NE 1-2

BAL 6-0

HOU 3-2

DEN 1-3

PIT 3-4

CIN 0-7

GB 6-0

SF 4-1

NO 5-1

NYG 1-3

ATL 1-4

DET 1-5
I got a sure way of telling who will win it all.

Packers 15-0 when leading after the 4th quarter. Yup you heard me 15-0! But then you look at the Ravens they are also undefeated after leading in the 4th quarter! Uh oh could mean trouble for the Packers!

In the end I will go with Vegas as they take into account way more numbers than you are. Packers for the championship this year. Of course anthing can happen but thats more luck and any given Sunday, than numbers.

If you try to cherry pick another number that shows your right, well then I will bet you $1000 that going into the playoffs you can't pick the next 10 Super Bowl champions. Heck I would even give you 2 picks out of the 12 teams in the playoffs and I would still bet you cant pick the next 10 in a row.
You know, my Lions are 10-0 this year when leading after the 4th quarter. I think they got a shot! Just sayin...
I think they are 6-0 or 7-0. They have staged several forth quarter comebacks. Looked like they had another one against GB, but they scored too quickly.
he said after the FOURTH quarter :)
 
I can remember specific seasons and what was going on at the time.

In 1987, the Vikings back into the playoffs and shocked everyone by destroying the Saints in the superdome. The next round, they shock everyone again by defeating the 13-2 49ers in Candlestick. Then they go to RFK and almost beat the Redskins. Its like the switch was thrown and the Vikings pass attack became unstoppable. That run and the strong season the following year led them to trade for Herschell Walker in 1989.

In 1988, the 49ers started destroying everyone in December, finished 10-6, then rested their starters in the last game of the year because they had clinched. Everyone expected them to roll to the Super Bowl and win it, and they did. The Bears had HFA with what was a decidedly weak 12-4 record.

In 1990, the 49ers had HFA but that was the year Belichick's defense with the Giants was a brick wall for everyone. Super Bowl gameplan to the Hall of Fame. That run vaulted Belichick to his first head coaching gig.

In 1995, the Chiefs had HFA but everyone blamed the Schottenheimer curse as he lost yet again.

In 1996, the Broncos had it, but everyone was like "See, Elway still can't win it all."

In 1997, the Chiefs had it again, and Schottenheimer lost again.

In 1998, the Vikings had it, went 15-1 with Cunningham and Moss, people blamed Randall Cunningham for not being a big game QB.

In 1999, the Jaguars had it. They had gone 14-2. The two games they lost were to the Titans. They met the Titans again in the AFC title game, and lost to them for the third time that season.

In 2000, the Titans had it, but were destroyed by the awesome Ravens defense which was considered perhaps the best defense ever.

In 2001, the Rams had it, and lost to Belichick and Brady. People blamed Martz for not running the ball more, playing into Belichick's plans. Belichick also had his DBs disrupt routes with a lot of tight bump and run, Martz complained and they changed the rules to open the pass game a little more.

In 2002, the Eagles had it. The Buccaneers went into Philadephia and won their first cold weather game in forever in the NFC title game. People blamed Andy Reid for choking.

In 2004, the Steelers had it at 15-1. But the Patriots were 14-2, and most people felt the Patriots were simply better, and they proved it in the AFC title game. Others blamed Cowher for choking.

In 2005, the Colts had it. Dropped their first game to the Steelers. People blamed Dungy and Manning for being chokers that can't win the big game.

In 2006, the Chargers had it. They dropped their first game at home to the Patriots. I remember picking the Patriots that day, because it was just a very bad matchup. People blamed Schottenheimer for being a choke artist.

In 2007, the Patriots had it. Went 16-0, lost that crazy game to the Giants. I remember the Patriots were not playing nearly as well late in the year and in the playoffs. They played a lot of close games but were barely winning them. Finally they ran out of gas in the Super Bowl. Maybe going for perfection wore them down.

In 2008, the Titans had it. Many people forget this one. They had Kerry Collins at QB, and a very powerful run game with Chris Johnson and Lendale White. Most people didn't take them seriously, and they dropped their first playoff game at home to the Ravens.

In 2009, the Colts had it. Made the Super Bowl against a very strong Saints team. Peyton Manning threw a pick-six I believe and lost the game.

In 2010, the Patriots had it. People did criticize them for having a defense that was rather stinky. The Jets win in Foxboro was a bit shocking. But, the Jets had been built to beat the Patriots.

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Overall, I see Schottenheimer held responsible for 3. Reid, Martz, Dungy, Cowher, Elway and Cunningham all held responsible for choking away others. Also a few bad matchups for the #1 seed.

 
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There's a AWFUL lot of choking going on in the past 20 years. Maybe the game is too big, the pressure is too great. Its better to be a lower seed.

 
In 2001, the Rams had it, and lost to Belichick and Brady. People blamed Martz for not running the ball more, playing into Belichick's plans. Belichick also had his DBs disrupt routes with a lot of tight bump and run, Martz complained and they changed the rules to open the pass game a little more.
Interesting. More than 10 years later I'm still scratching my head wondering how the Rams lost 20-17 to the "lowly" New England Patriots. That might go down as the biggest upset in Super Bowl history.I do remember the NE DB's mauling and hitting the Ram receivers at every opportunity. They were definately hearing the footsteps...I also remember that Marshall Faulk was non-existent in that game. But, he could have easily turned the tide for the Rams taking screen passes, dump-offs, etc. , and simply draw plays that would have gone for monster yardage. I also remember the Rams' passing game was coming on strong in the 4th quarter, and if Brady didn't drive the Pats for the game winning field goal, it's likely the Rams would have scored on their next possession to win the game. I think that is the game that defined Belicheck as an elite coach in this league. Completely outcoached Martz.It was a stunning game to watch.Timeless classic.
 
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Don't count the Giants out. They've already beaten new England and hung tough with green bay. They got smoked by new Orleans though. But they finally have Osi and Tuck rounding into form, to go along with a beastly JPP. These 3 together are arena league kryptonite, just ask the 18-1 patriots.

 
'Chase Stuart said:
Just Another Playoff Teams: New York, Atlanta, Detroit

None of these teams are as bad as the LOLs over in the AFC, but all lack a defense. They're kind of like the inverse of the AFC squads: they have good but not elite offenses and bad defenses; a formula for maybe winning one shootout but that's it. None of these teams can stop a good passing attack and none of these teams can run. The Lions and Giants are flat out bad at running, and the Falcons are only mediocre. Meanwhile, they have good but not elite passing attacks. The Giants probably have the best passing game, but Eli makes too many mistakes and the receivers make too many drops to overcome the flawed defense/running game.
Seriously? Turner was 3rd in the NFL in rushing this year. If anyone of the other 4 teams has a chance to beat GB or NO, I think its ATL because Turner could chew up their defenses and control the clock as long as the Dirty Birds arent in a big deficit.
 
'Chase Stuart said:
The Saints also ranked 29th in yards per carry allowed. New Orleans is usually winning and forcing other teams to throw. But they don't stop the run well. Case in point, the Rams game. St. Louis set a season high in rushing that day, in a rare game where NO was the one playing catchup.
Niether does yards per carry mean everything. For instance, against the Saints Adrian Peterson had 10 carries for 60 yards. But his impact on the game was negligible because the Saints were able to stop him pretty consistently. Other than one 39 yard run he had 9 carries for 21 yards. I'm not suggesting the 39 yarder "doesn't count" but to me when you negate the other team's best player that has to mean something.
 
I for one was amazed to see on SNF week 16 that the packers had let up more yards than they put up this year. I wonder if that stayed constant, as the wk 17 game was more of the same.

 
'Chase Stuart said:
Just Another Playoff Teams: New York, Atlanta, Detroit

None of these teams are as bad as the LOLs over in the AFC, but all lack a defense. They're kind of like the inverse of the AFC squads: they have good but not elite offenses and bad defenses; a formula for maybe winning one shootout but that's it. None of these teams can stop a good passing attack and none of these teams can run. The Lions and Giants are flat out bad at running, and the Falcons are only mediocre. Meanwhile, they have good but not elite passing attacks. The Giants probably have the best passing game, but Eli makes too many mistakes and the receivers make too many drops to overcome the flawed defense/running game.
Seriously? Turner was 3rd in the NFL in rushing this year. If anyone of the other 4 teams has a chance to beat GB or NO, I think its ATL because Turner could chew up their defenses and control the clock as long as the Dirty Birds arent in a big deficit.
Did you watch the Monday night game week 16...? Falcons are frauds, they will get torched by either of those teams. They went 0-3 against them this year, and Turner is pretty mediocre at this point. Sure he accumulates a lot of yardage but that's mostly on volume, any RB with his workload and in his situation is going to get yardage.

 
Don't count the Giants out. They've already beaten new England and hung tough with green bay. They got smoked by new Orleans though. But they finally have Osi and Tuck rounding into form, to go along with a beastly JPP. These 3 together are arena league kryptonite, just ask the 18-1 patriots.
Osi, Tuck, Canty, and Pierre-Paul have combined for 10 sacks against the Jets and Cowboys. I agree the Giants are dangerous. And Atlanta is not the strongest road team. Giants win and they most likely go to GB b/c I don't know how Detroit can beat NO. As a GB fan, the Giants scare me because of their front 4.
 
'Chase Stuart said:
Just Another Playoff Teams: New York, Atlanta, Detroit

None of these teams are as bad as the LOLs over in the AFC, but all lack a defense. They're kind of like the inverse of the AFC squads: they have good but not elite offenses and bad defenses; a formula for maybe winning one shootout but that's it. None of these teams can stop a good passing attack and none of these teams can run. The Lions and Giants are flat out bad at running, and the Falcons are only mediocre. Meanwhile, they have good but not elite passing attacks. The Giants probably have the best passing game, but Eli makes too many mistakes and the receivers make too many drops to overcome the flawed defense/running game.
Seriously? Turner was 3rd in the NFL in rushing this year. If anyone of the other 4 teams has a chance to beat GB or NO, I think its ATL because Turner could chew up their defenses and control the clock as long as the Dirty Birds arent in a big deficit.
Falcons ranked 17th in rushing yards, 21st in yards per carry.
 
NFC:

Giants will beat ATL at home and then beat GB on the road. Mark it down. They are healthy and hot at the right time. Their pass rush will cause all kinds of headaches for opposing offenses. IF SF can beat NO, at home in round 2 (assuming NO beats DET in round 1), the Giants will go to SF, win and be in the superbowl.

AFC:

Pitt beats Den, and then goes to NE and wins their as well setting up a 3rd game vs. Baltimore. Pitt finds a way to win that game as well and meets the G-men in the Superbowl.

Superbowl:

NYG defeat Pitt 20-14.

 
The Steelers have an elite defense -- they rank 1st in yards, points, net yards per pass and first downs allowed. But unlike Baltimore and San Francisco, Pittsburgh has a quarterback. Pittsburgh had some awful turnover luck this season -- they ranked 28th in turnover differential at -13. Yet somehow, they led the league in points allowed. But the offense is actually pretty good:Mike Willace and Antonio Brown both have 1100 yards, while Heath Miller is a very good TE in the pre-Gronkowski days where a good TE didn't have to be an alien. Ward, Sanders and Cotchery enable Pittsburgh to have an effective spread offense. Pittsburgh ranks 4th in the NFL in third down percentage; they're in the top 10 in net yards per pass, first downs and passing yards. So why do the Steelers only rank 21st in points?Mostly because they haven't had many drives. And they haven't scored much on defense this season. But coming into week 17, according to Football Outsiders (not updated for week 17 yet) the Steelers ranked 11th in points per drive. The Steelers forced the fewest turnovers in the league this season. Shocking, of course, but also the biggest reason their point production is ugly. Pittsburgh ranks 11th in points per drive despite having the 5th worst average field position to start a drive. Pittsburgh actually ranks FIFTH in yards per drive. This is a very good offense that just hasn't been put in a position to score a ton of points.You can forget about the LOLs and put the JAPTs in your rearview mirror a second later. NE, NO and GB have ridiculous offenses but bad defenses. Bal and SF have ridiculous defenses but mediocre offenses. Only one team doesn't have to compensate for one of its units. Pittsburgh has an elite defense and a very good offense, just a little bit behind those other two teams.Take a look at how these teams all look in Net Yards per Attempt, Net Yards per Attempt Allowed, and differential:

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Tm                       NY/A   NY/AA   DiffPittsburgh Steelers      6.98   4.87    2.11Houston Texans           7.01   5.21    1.80New Orleans Saints       7.79   6.31    1.49New York Giants          7.67   6.41    1.26Green Bay Packers        8.30   7.20    1.10Detroit Lions            6.86   5.94    0.92New England Patriots     7.89   7.14    0.76Baltimore Ravens         5.93   5.39    0.55Atlanta Falcons          6.76   6.38    0.38Cincinnati Bengals       5.96   5.80    0.17San Francisco 49ers      5.92   5.95   -0.03Denver Broncos           5.17   6.44   -1.27
Pittsburgh can pass and stop the pass. Had Schaub stayed healthy, the Texans would be right up there. But as it stands, I only see one complete team in the entire NFL.
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The Steelers have an elite defense -- they rank 1st in yards, points, net yards per pass and first downs allowed. But unlike Baltimore and San Francisco, Pittsburgh has a quarterback. Pittsburgh had some awful turnover luck this season -- they ranked 28th in turnover differential at -13. Yet somehow, they led the league in points allowed. But the offense is actually pretty good:Mike Willace and Antonio Brown both have 1100 yards, while Heath Miller is a very good TE in the pre-Gronkowski days where a good TE didn't have to be an alien. Ward, Sanders and Cotchery enable Pittsburgh to have an effective spread offense. Pittsburgh ranks 4th in the NFL in third down percentage; they're in the top 10 in net yards per pass, first downs and passing yards. So why do the Steelers only rank 21st in points?Mostly because they haven't had many drives. And they haven't scored much on defense this season. But coming into week 17, according to Football Outsiders (not updated for week 17 yet) the Steelers ranked 11th in points per drive. The Steelers forced the fewest turnovers in the league this season. Shocking, of course, but also the biggest reason their point production is ugly. Pittsburgh ranks 11th in points per drive despite having the 5th worst average field position to start a drive. Pittsburgh actually ranks FIFTH in yards per drive. This is a very good offense that just hasn't been put in a position to score a ton of points.You can forget about the LOLs and put the JAPTs in your rearview mirror a second later. NE, NO and GB have ridiculous offenses but bad defenses. Bal and SF have ridiculous defenses but mediocre offenses. Only one team doesn't have to compensate for one of its units. Pittsburgh has an elite defense and a very good offense, just a little bit behind those other two teams.Take a look at how these teams all look in Net Yards per Attempt, Net Yards per Attempt Allowed, and differential:

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Tm                       NY/A   NY/AA   DiffPittsburgh Steelers      6.98   4.87    2.11Houston Texans           7.01   5.21    1.80New Orleans Saints       7.79   6.31    1.49New York Giants          7.67   6.41    1.26Green Bay Packers        8.30   7.20    1.10Detroit Lions            6.86   5.94    0.92New England Patriots     7.89   7.14    0.76Baltimore Ravens         5.93   5.39    0.55Atlanta Falcons          6.76   6.38    0.38Cincinnati Bengals       5.96   5.80    0.17San Francisco 49ers      5.92   5.95   -0.03Denver Broncos           5.17   6.44   -1.27
Pittsburgh can pass and stop the pass. Had Schaub stayed healthy, the Texans would be right up there. But as it stands, I only see one complete team in the entire NFL.
OwnedBadly
very good article chase but you forgot one thing, devine intervention
 

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