Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I still don't get why he was there in the 6th. Cut and pasted...
Sounds like a steal to me.
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My off the top of my head draft grades.Best picks/steals (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Andy Dufresne
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Sounds like a steal to me.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Not drafting a linebacker was puzzling. But Alama-Francis should start somewhere in the next year or so - either at DT or DE. And I think Ramirez was a steal at the spot they got him.
The Alexander pick was a head scratcher, though.
I agree Ramirez was a good pick,especially at that spot.Alama-Francis is at best our 3rd DE.Unless you have a good team already,the 2nd round is for immediate help not future or depth.Only Millen would trade down from a spot where you could get 1st round talent to draft a guy almost noone has ever heard of-Alexander.All I've managed to dig up on the guy is that he's too small for a safety and too slow/short to be a corner but he can jump really high.He better be a special teams god and block a bunch of punts and kicks.
The Alexander pick was a head scratcher, though.
I agree Ramirez was a good pick,especially at that spot.Alama-Francis is at best our 3rd DE.Unless you have a good team already,the 2nd round is for immediate help not future or depth.Only Millen would trade down from a spot where you could get 1st round talent to draft a guy almost noone has ever heard of-Alexander.All I've managed to dig up on the guy is that he's too small for a safety and too slow/short to be a corner but he can jump really high.He better be a special teams god and block a bunch of punts and kicks.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
How would you evaluate the Pats draft when you consider ALL the pieces . . .1.24 - Brandon Meriweather, S MiamiAndy Dufresne said:
2.60 - Wes Welker, WR, DOLPHINS
4.110 - Randy Moss, WR, RAIDERS
4.127 - Kareem Brown, DT Miami (FL)
5.171 - Clint Oldenburg, OT Colorado State
6.180 - Justin Rogers, LB SMU
6.202 - Mike Richardson, CB Notre Dame
6.208 - Justise Hairston, RB Central Connecticut
6.209 - Corey Hilliard, OT Oklahoma State
7.211 - Oscar Lua, LB USC
7.247 - Mike Elgin, OG Iowa
Plus they came away with SF's first rounder next year and OAK's third rounder next year. Factoring all that together (drafted players, NFL acquisitions, and future picks) would that still net New England a "B"?
texasyankee
Footballguy
Loved the Viks Draft - Need to order my Peterson Jersey, I want to make sure they are not going to send me one with Peterson's name but with #1 not #28Andy Dufresne said:
Gotta order my Leonard Jersey as well, I need to know what number he'll get first.He is gonna be great for the Rams. Great change of pace from Jackson and it will be fun to see them both in the backfield and Holt & Bruce on the outsideAndy Dufresne said:
The Beauty is that I have LT as a keeper and my 2 college picks this year were Peterson & Leonard. Sunday's will be a parade of Different Jerseys depending on game times, GB directv!!
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
It would be an A++The Patriots are odds on favorites to win the Bowl this year. Wish it weren't the case, but objectively they're the favorite and everyone else is the field.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
They had a great draft, Andy, but your opinion of McCauley has gone from highly critical to big fan. McCauley is lost in zone coverage. He is okay in press coverage, well, he's awful, but that's what he's been trained to do.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
The only problem the Patriots may encounter is trying to find room in the locker room for all those egos...but they certainly cleaned up in the FA/draft market.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You're talking to a Moss-hater, so my views are clouded by that. Still, getting him for a 4th is a low risk/high reward move. I would have to give them two types of grade. Short term, I'd give it an "A+". Long term, it still looks like a "B" to me.
There are rumors that this may be Belichick's last hurrah, and if they're trying to give him everything possibly to make a Super Bowl run, I think they've done a great job.
Long term, however, I'm just not sure. Maybe it's my unfamiliarity with the names chosen, but nothing jumps out at me. Like I said, it's "incomplete" because the Patriots always seem to know what they're doing. I've personally never even heard of the guys they took after Kareem Brown.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Well, the "fantastic" superlative applies more to Alexander than McCauley. As far as being a "big fan" of his, I'm just a "big fan" of where they got him given the potential he has to turn it around. If he plays like he did last year, he'll bust. But for the risk, it was a good 3rd round pick.He'll likely play the nickle role. The starters will be Winfield & Griffin.
I still wonder how much that concussion affected him last season.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I concur that sometimes the Pats come up with players that are not only beneath the radar but totally not on it. To that end, though, how many teams have truly "great" players available in the 5th or later? As for longer term success, they did get a potential Top 15 and Top 70 picks in next year's draft, so I would still give them higher than a "B" IMO going forward.I personally can't see them having the roster space to carry many of the relative unknowns they took after Brown, so I'm guessing that the players they selected were picked to fill a very specific role and if they don't show a lot in camp they won't stick around.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Grades for a number of teams are way too high: In fact, it seems roughly 2/3 of the teams got an A or B.
Eagles - you knock the Packers for a potential-laden draft, and give the Eagles high marks? I could see the Eagles getting 0 career games started from the entire draft combined. Best part is a couple of RB's who are different from Westbrook. The TE is "meh", the Qb is a reach, and mayble the LB & DE can contribute some.
Seahawks: Need to lose points for no TE, and dealing DJax IN DIVISION for a 4th.
Miami:
Ginn & Beck aren't NFL ready right now, and that makes this another down-the road draft.
Redskins: In my opinion, not enough picks to merit an A, since they had 1 pick in the 1st 4 rounds - and that's what you mainly evaluate.
Frankly, the NFC East had a pretty bad draft. I think Dallas did best with the future Browns 1st.
Too Low:
Packers, if that's a D+ draft, they should be a bunch of D's and F's floating around this list.
Eagles - you knock the Packers for a potential-laden draft, and give the Eagles high marks? I could see the Eagles getting 0 career games started from the entire draft combined. Best part is a couple of RB's who are different from Westbrook. The TE is "meh", the Qb is a reach, and mayble the LB & DE can contribute some.
Seahawks: Need to lose points for no TE, and dealing DJax IN DIVISION for a 4th.
Miami:
Ginn & Beck aren't NFL ready right now, and that makes this another down-the road draft.
Redskins: In my opinion, not enough picks to merit an A, since they had 1 pick in the 1st 4 rounds - and that's what you mainly evaluate.
Frankly, the NFC East had a pretty bad draft. I think Dallas did best with the future Browns 1st.
Too Low:
Packers, if that's a D+ draft, they should be a bunch of D's and F's floating around this list.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Wade and Hughes were available. Hughes was a huge steal for Tampa 2 Indy. You had Wade in the first round of a mock, iirc.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
True. Like I said, this is an initial impression critique, though. Many teams seemed to get some pretty good players in the 5th rounds or higher. It looks to me like the Patriots got next to nothing.
I suppose. I can't give them much more than a B+ though, even factoring that in. There really isn't a method to my madness though. So just take this stuff for what it's worth, which is next to nothing, okay?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I would rather have had Wade. Then I'd have really had to confuse you by putting another "+" to the rankings.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
As I said in my initial post, I think most teams did pretty well.
Okay. C+ for the Eagles.
Yeah. I guess Seattle is a bit high. I really like the first three picks, though. I think unloading the injury riddled DJax for ANYTHING was an accomplishment. They're probably closer to a "B".
You're wrong about Ginn. And I think the picks of Satele, Booker, and Soliai were solid.
I just said it was weighted in the first four rounds. Washington is a special case that probably doesn't fit my normal criteria.
I disagree.Sorry my system is too arbitrary for you.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Agreed on Allison. I wasFixed
Except for that stadium thing.
when I heard they'd gotten him in the 5th.
stevegamer
Footballguy
No problem, we'll all disagree. I just don't think Ginn is a NFL ready WR right now, and that Miami's early picks are potential heavy.I do like the Vikes' draft.Sorry my system is too arbitrary for you.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
T Man
Footballguy
I don't like the Pats, but I think they get the draft.The Pats have 9 draft picks coming to camp and many new faces via free agency and trades. You only have so much room on your roster. The trades which netted picks for next year were invaluable as they should provide ammunition to move up and get targeted players next year.
One would have to expect that the 49ers 1st will be a 15-20 pick. And the Raiders 3rd rounder should be a high third round pick. While many have speculated that this could be BBs last year, I think the trades for picks next year indicate that Pioli and BB are still thinking long term.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Depends on what role you're expecting him to play. I don't really think he's a #1 either. I have questions as to whether not he EVER will be.But I think he adds a dynamic to the offense that makes the other guys, including the #1 WR (whether that's Chambers is up for debate), much more productive.
by_the_sea_wannabe
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I agree wif the Steelers ranking, and I like the Spaeth selection however, I wished they would have grabbed Beekmen instead.
Rovers
Footballguy
Great thread ya started there, AD! 
Nice job, and thanks!
Now, of course, to the Jets. I had mixed emotions with the Harris trade up... hated to lose the picks, but this T/G Bender could prove to be the guy that belongs in the "steal" slot. Sounds to me like he's near ready to start at RG, and the scouting reports I've seen are awfully good for a 6th round pick. He could also develop into a RT at the NFL level.... big kid at 6'5" and 315 with room for another 15 lbs. He supposedly got the better of Carricker when Nicholls St played Nebraska. He could be one of those small school late day two picks that works out nicely.
I'm happy with Stuckey in the seventh round too, just because of his speed, an ingredient that is lacking in the Jets WR corp. If nothing else, when he plays his speed will command some respect from the opposing safeties.
Having traded away so many picks, they rebounded nicely with Bender and Stuckey IMO. If Bender is what I think he may be, that's 3 starters all at need positions. I like to think I'm fairly objective, and I give the Jets an A-. If you are going to include Moss in NE's draft, then include T Jones in the Jets draft too. Don't see how that (3, maybe 4 starters) gets anything less than an A-.
Nice job, and thanks!Now, of course, to the Jets. I had mixed emotions with the Harris trade up... hated to lose the picks, but this T/G Bender could prove to be the guy that belongs in the "steal" slot. Sounds to me like he's near ready to start at RG, and the scouting reports I've seen are awfully good for a 6th round pick. He could also develop into a RT at the NFL level.... big kid at 6'5" and 315 with room for another 15 lbs. He supposedly got the better of Carricker when Nicholls St played Nebraska. He could be one of those small school late day two picks that works out nicely.
I'm happy with Stuckey in the seventh round too, just because of his speed, an ingredient that is lacking in the Jets WR corp. If nothing else, when he plays his speed will command some respect from the opposing safeties.
Having traded away so many picks, they rebounded nicely with Bender and Stuckey IMO. If Bender is what I think he may be, that's 3 starters all at need positions. I like to think I'm fairly objective, and I give the Jets an A-. If you are going to include Moss in NE's draft, then include T Jones in the Jets draft too. Don't see how that (3, maybe 4 starters) gets anything less than an A-.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'd agree with an A-, particularly considering the Thomas Jones acquisition. You have to be happy about the Revis pick!Great thread ya started there, AD!Nice job, and thanks!Now, of course, to the Jets. I had mixed emotions with the Harris trade up... hated to lose the picks, but this T/G Bender could prove to be the guy that belongs in the "steal" slot. Sounds to me like he's near ready to start at RG, and the scouting reports I've seen are awfully good for a 6th round pick. He could also develop into a RT at the NFL level.... big kid at 6'5" and 315 with room for another 15 lbs. He supposedly got the better of Carricker when Nicholls St played Nebraska. He could be one of those small school late day two picks that works out nicely. I'm happy with Stuckey in the seventh round too, just because of his speed, an ingredient that is lacking in the Jets WR corp. If nothing else, when he plays his speed will command some respect from the opposing safeties. Having traded away so many picks, they rebounded nicely with Bender and Stuckey IMO. If Bender is what I think he may be, that's 3 starters all at need positions. I like to think I'm fairly objective, and I give the Jets an A-. If you are going to include Moss in NE's draft, then include T Jones in the Jets draft too. Don't see how that (3, maybe 4 starters) gets anything less than an A-.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
good stuff Andy.
I was thinking of you when Peterson was drafted by your Vikings.
I could imagine you standing up cheering with a waitress from Hooters holding up your beerbong.
I was thinking of you when Peterson was drafted by your Vikings.
I could imagine you standing up cheering with a waitress from Hooters holding up your beerbong.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That image would conclude with a groin punch from my wife. But yes, I was
when they took AP!
Rovers
Footballguy
Oh yeah, you KNOW I was thrilled with the Revis pick! He may also be the new punt returner... until Miller can find out where he left his hands. Revis is a guy that can defend against the 3 step drop quick sideline hit that NE did so well against the Jets with in the playoff game. Dyson can do it too, but after that, it's problematic still. Mangini will have to get very creative if either Revis or Dyson get hurt. Maybe if Miller can find his hands, he can also learn not to bite on the double move too.I'd agree with an A-, particularly considering the Thomas Jones acquisition. You have to be happy about the Revis pick!Great thread ya started there, AD!
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I know a lot of Patriots fans get accused of thinking the Pats can do no wrong but I was disappointed with the Pats draft.I like the Merriweather pick.
I like the trade into the 2008 draft with SF's pick especially since the 4th rounder gained was used to get Moss.
I thought the Pats should have taken Damayion Hughes with the 3rd round pick.
With all of the 6th round picks it seems that it would have been easy to trade up in the 4th and get Zak DeOssie.
I kept waiting for Rufus Alexander in the 5th and 6th rounds. I guess he wasnt a fit for the Pats D. If not Alexander, where was HB Blades. I also had heard that the Pats liked Desmond Bishop but they had plenty of chances to draft him and didnt. I thought the Pats needed an inside backer. Maybe they are happy with Eric Alexander in the middle as a backup although he got burnt bad in the AFC Championship.
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I think there is a fair amount guilt by association placed upon him by his situation at OU (look at recent LB taken out of the school in the NFL) and not having the best measurables.I still don't get why he was there in the 6th. Cut and pasted...Sounds like a steal to me.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Willis, Peterson, or Anderson. Maybe even Okoye or Landry, even though they signed some FA safeties.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Guilt by association you mean? I suppose so.I think there is a fair amount guilt by association placed upon him by his situation at OU (look at recent LB taken out of the school in the NFL) and not having the best measurables.I still don't get why he was there in the 6th. Cut and pasted...
nerangers
Footballguy
Pat you were not the only one that thought the Pats could have moved up some for the very players you mentioned. You and I were in the same camp on this during the draft. I know they had four compensatory picks that could not be traded or bundled, but the other ones could have been used to move up some.I still think the Pats graded out well with moving the two picks to 2008, and using a 2nd and 4th to net two WRs in Welker and Moss.
BB is there longer than next year for those that think this is his last hoorah! He is in a great situation, so why would he want to leave?
Andy, if you want to learn more about the new "unknown" Patriots, there Bio's are all in the Patriot season thread.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
It'll be interesting to see for sure. I like all three guys you mentioned, particularly Willis in the Steelers 3-4 scheme.OT was such a glaring need though that they really had no other choice if they wanted to make a serious run this year...I don't know that the other players you mentioned would have had the same impact as Brown this year given the needs of the team.
I like the move because it was a move for this year.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
For the record, I'd like to reiterate that my problems with the Packers draft are not with the Harrell pick. That pick actually gives the Pack a pretty good D-line. The pick especially makes sense if they're planning on moving Jenkins to DE full time.
The Gatekeeper
Footballguy
You do us fellow Vikings fans proud Andy! 
I also think the McCauley pick was a good one even though I was hoping for Charles Johnson at that pick but then they traded up to get Robison in the 4th so everything turned out great. McCauley will learn tons from Winfield, Griffin, and Sharper.
I also think the McCauley pick was a good one even though I was hoping for Charles Johnson at that pick but then they traded up to get Robison in the 4th so everything turned out great. McCauley will learn tons from Winfield, Griffin, and Sharper.
