My top 10 at each positon (1 Viewer)

[Blackjacks]

P. Manning- Returns to the top this year

A. Roders- A true stud with dynamite offensive weapons

D. Brees- Very consistent

K. Kolb- I think Kolb is gonna tear it up

M. Schaub- Another QB with great options

T. Romo- I'm putting Romo maybe alittle lower than others cause I think Dallas is gonna run alot this year

J. Flacco- I really like Flacco and now that he has Boldin he has what he has been missing.......a go to guy

P. Rivers- I think SD will be running alittle more also which will make them a better team but might hurt Rivers's #'s alittle

D. McNabb- I really like McNabb this year. Washington has better weapons than most think.

J. Cutler- Cutler will be the most talented qb that Mike Martz has ever had but also the most pigheaded. He could be top 5 and he could be at the bottom teens but I'll put him here for now

I didn't forget about Brady or Favre. I think the NE offense will take a huge step in the wrong direction and I'm not sure if Favre is going to play.

ADP- No Chester should mean even bigger numbers

MJD- By far there best weapon

Gore- That Oline looks great now and they have other weapons to help take off the pressure from Gore

Mendenhall- I thnk the Steelers are gonna get back to Steeler football this year and run the ball

B. Wells- Leinart = run the ball more

C. Johnson- I know this will spark up some conversation but anyone that thinks he will put up the same numbers is crazy plus he might lose Mawae.

S. Jackson- Great talent and the team is getting alittle better around him. Another good year for S-Jax

R. Rice- I think people that are putting him in the top 5 are expecting alittle much. Top 10 should be his expections

D Williams- If him or Stewart would ever get hurt the other would be in my top 5.

R. Grant-I don't think Grant is a great talent but his situation is perfect.

Surprises that are left off: Micheal Turner and Cedric Benson. I like both of these guys cause they get carries but both are getting alittle long in the tooth and both have talented younger players behind them that will take some touches.

A. Johnson- Clearly the best wr in the game

S. Smith (Carolina)- Without Delhomme Smith with get back in the top 5 where he belongs

G. Jennings- You gotta love his big play ability to go along with a super qb

L. Fitzgerald- Fitz is outstanding but now he has Leinart throwing to him. He still has to be in the top 5 due to his skill but a higher risk

R. Wayne- Dependable as there is out there

D. Jackson- One word---------explosive--------

A. Boldin- I really like Q this year in Balt with Flacco. I question how many td's he might get but I love him to top 90 catches. He'll fit in perfectly on that team.

R. White- Very steady WR, should be good for 1200 and 7 minimal

B. Marshall- Very talented but new surroundings might hurt his value alittle

C. Johnson- Too talented to keep out of the top ten but I would like to see alittle more consistency

No Moss, Colston, Austin, Rice or V-Jax

Moss and Brady need Welker and if he isn't healthy I don't see that offense rolling. I think there is a new sheriff in town for NO and his name is Bobby Meachem. Miles Austin had a great year but with the drafting of Dez Bryant and a dedication to the run I see Austin coming back to the pack more. No Favre=No Rice and VJax.....the guy is just a knucklehead.

A. Gates- stud

D. Clark- No, not Desmond

J. Finley- I love this offense

J. Witten- Still very reliable

T. Gonzalez- Still a top 5 talent

O. Daniels- Before he got hurt he was putting up some Big numbers

F. Davis- McNabb has always put up huge numbers with his te. Davis has some great skills and McNabb with take advantage of them

V. Davis- A drop from last year

B. Celek- The offense is set up nicely for tight ends in Philly

Z. Miller- A nice upgrade at qb = a nice year for Oakland and their offensive players

 

[CaptainHook]

mcnabb and f davis in the top 10 is crazy. mcnabb has never put up good numbers with his TEs. was he even a top 10 qb last year with an amazing offense? that line in washington is so awful.

 

[dgreen]

mcnabb and f davis in the top 10 is crazy. mcnabb has never put up good numbers with his TEs. was he even a top 10 qb last year with an amazing offense? that line in washington is so awful.

He was QB11 last year despite missing 2 games.

 

[David Yudkin]

Their your projections, but I'd be interested to hear how the Pats and Brady have worse targets and talent than the Redskins and McNabb.

 

[jurb26]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

 

[Blackjacks]

mcnabb and f davis in the top 10 is crazy. mcnabb has never put up good numbers with his TEs. was he even a top 10 qb last year with an amazing offense? that line in washington is so awful.

Your thoughts are welcomedI think McNabb has worked very well with his TE's in the pastChad Lewis top 10 back to back years (#4 in 2000)LJ Smith back to back top 10Brent Celek was #4 last yearEvery season McNabb has played in all 16 games he has been in the top 10New coach who has an excelent reputation with Olines and just spent the #4 overall pick on a left tackleAs for Davis he really started to "get it" the 2nd half of the season last year

 

[Yellow Line is Unoffcial]

P. Manning- Returns to the top this yearA. Roders- A true stud with dynamite offensive weaponsD. Brees- Very consistentK. Kolb- I think Kolb is gonna tear it upM. Schaub- Another QB with great optionsT. Romo- I'm putting Romo maybe alittle lower than others cause I think Dallas is gonna run alot this yearJ. Flacco- I really like Flacco and now that he has Boldin he has what he has been missing.......a go to guyP. Rivers- I think SD will be running alittle more also which will make them a better team but might hurt Rivers's #'s alittleD. McNabb- I really like McNabb this year. Washington has better weapons than most think.J. Cutler- Cutler will be the most talented qb that Mike Martz has ever had but also the most pigheaded. He could be top 5 and he could be at the bottom teens but I'll put him here for nowI didn't forget about Brady or Favre. I think the NE offense will take a huge step in the wrong direction and I'm not sure if Favre is going to play.ADP- No Chester should mean even bigger numbersMJD- By far there best weaponGore- That Oline looks great now and they have other weapons to help take off the pressure from GoreMendenhall- I thnk the Steelers are gonna get back to Steeler football this year and run the ballB. Wells- Leinart = run the ball moreC. Johnson- I know this will spark up some conversation but anyone that thinks he will put up the same numbers is crazy plus he might lose Mawae.S. Jackson- Great talent and the team is getting alittle better around him. Another good year for S-JaxR. Rice- I think people that are putting him in the top 5 are expecting alittle much. Top 10 should be his expectionsD Williams- If him or Stewart would ever get hurt the other would be in my top 5.R. Grant-I don't think Grant is a great talent but his situation is perfect.Surprises that are left off: Micheal Turner and Cedric Benson. I like both of these guys cause they get carries but both are getting alittle long in the tooth and both have talented younger players behind them that will take some touches. A. Johnson- Clearly the best wr in the gameS. Smith (Carolina)- Without Delhomme Smith with get back in the top 5 where he belongsG. Jennings- You gotta love his big play ability to go along with a super qbL. Fitzgerald- Fitz is outstanding but now he has Leinart throwing to him. He still has to be in the top 5 due to his skill but a higher risk R. Wayne- Dependable as there is out thereD. Jackson- One word---------explosive--------A. Boldin- I really like Q this year in Balt with Flacco. I question how many td's he might get but I love him to top 90 catches. He'll fit in perfectly on that team.R. White- Very steady WR, should be good for 1200 and 7 minimalB. Marshall- Very talented but new surroundings might hurt his value alittleC. Johnson- Too talented to keep out of the top ten but I would like to see alittle more consistencyNo Moss, Colston, Austin, Rice or V-JaxMoss and Brady need Welker and if he isn't healthy I don't see that offense rolling. I think there is a new sheriff in town for NO and his name is Bobby Meachem. Miles Austin had a great year but with the drafting of Dez Bryant and a dedication to the run I see Austin coming back to the pack more. No Favre=No Rice and VJax.....the guy is just a knucklehead.A. Gates- studD. Clark- No, not DesmondJ. Finley- I love this offenseJ. Witten- Still very reliableT. Gonzalez- Still a top 5 talentO. Daniels- Before he got hurt he was putting up some Big numbersF. Davis- McNabb has always put up huge numbers with his te. Davis has some great skills and McNabb with take advantage of themV. Davis- A drop from last yearB. Celek- The offense is set up nicely for tight ends in PhillyZ. Miller- A nice upgrade at qb = a nice year for Oakland and their offensive players

Well the good news is you should be able to draft several of the players in your leagues.

 

[Blackjacks]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

 

[identikit]

So I guess Chris Cooley retired?

 

[PDX Pain]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

Moss is in a contract year if I remember correctly. He should have a great year.

 

[Blackjacks]

So I guess Chris Cooley retired?

Really..........Chris Cooley...........reallyI don't think Cooley will be the #1 te for this team

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

So I guess Chris Cooley retired?

Really..........Chris Cooley...........reallyI don't think Cooley will be the #1 te for this team

Davis put up good numbers late last year b/c he wasn't asked to block a lick as it would be more a detriment. he was strictly a reciever. Cooley isn't Jason Dunn but he can hold his own. he was also coming off back to back pro bowl births before last years injury. a healthy Cooley plays the majority of snaps. Davis shown enuff receiving skills tho to get plenty of play himself tho. those 2 are much better than anything they have at WR

 

[gpthatsme]

P. Manning- Returns to the top this year

A. Roders- A true stud with dynamite offensive weapons

D. Brees- Very consistent

K. Kolb- I think Kolb is gonna tear it up

M. Schaub- Another QB with great options

T. Romo- I'm putting Romo maybe alittle lower than others cause I think Dallas is gonna run alot this year

J. Flacco- I really like Flacco and now that he has Boldin he has what he has been missing.......a go to guy

P. Rivers- I think SD will be running alittle more also which will make them a better team but might hurt Rivers's #'s alittle

D. McNabb- I really like McNabb this year. Washington has better weapons than most think.

J. Cutler- Cutler will be the most talented qb that Mike Martz has ever had but also the most pigheaded. He could be top 5 and he could be at the bottom teens but I'll put him here for now

I didn't forget about Brady or Favre. I think the NE offense will take a huge step in the wrong direction and I'm not sure if Favre is going to play.

ADP- No Chester should mean even bigger numbers

MJD- By far there best weapon

Gore- That Oline looks great now and they have other weapons to help take off the pressure from Gore

Mendenhall- I thnk the Steelers are gonna get back to Steeler football this year and run the ball

B. Wells- Leinart = run the ball more

C. Johnson- I know this will spark up some conversation but anyone that thinks he will put up the same numbers is crazy plus he might lose Mawae.

S. Jackson- Great talent and the team is getting alittle better around him. Another good year for S-Jax

R. Rice- I think people that are putting him in the top 5 are expecting alittle much. Top 10 should be his expections

D Williams- If him or Stewart would ever get hurt the other would be in my top 5.

R. Grant-I don't think Grant is a great talent but his situation is perfect.

Surprises that are left off: Micheal Turner and Cedric Benson. I like both of these guys cause they get carries but both are getting alittle long in the tooth and both have talented younger players behind them that will take some touches.

A. Johnson- Clearly the best wr in the game

S. Smith (Carolina)- Without Delhomme Smith with get back in the top 5 where he belongs

G. Jennings- You gotta love his big play ability to go along with a super qb

L. Fitzgerald- Fitz is outstanding but now he has Leinart throwing to him. He still has to be in the top 5 due to his skill but a higher risk

R. Wayne- Dependable as there is out there

D. Jackson- One word---------explosive--------

A. Boldin- I really like Q this year in Balt with Flacco. I question how many td's he might get but I love him to top 90 catches. He'll fit in perfectly on that team.

R. White- Very steady WR, should be good for 1200 and 7 minimal

B. Marshall- Very talented but new surroundings might hurt his value alittle

C. Johnson- Too talented to keep out of the top ten but I would like to see alittle more consistency

No Moss, Colston, Austin, Rice or V-Jax

Moss and Brady need Welker and if he isn't healthy I don't see that offense rolling. I think there is a new sheriff in town for NO and his name is Bobby Meachem. Miles Austin had a great year but with the drafting of Dez Bryant and a dedication to the run I see Austin coming back to the pack more. No Favre=No Rice and VJax.....the guy is just a knucklehead.

A. Gates- stud

D. Clark- No, not Desmond

J. Finley- I love this offense

J. Witten- Still very reliable

T. Gonzalez- Still a top 5 talent

O. Daniels- Before he got hurt he was putting up some Big numbers

F. Davis- McNabb has always put up huge numbers with his te. Davis has some great skills and McNabb with take advantage of them

V. Davis- A drop from last year

B. Celek- The offense is set up nicely for tight ends in Philly

Z. Miller- A nice upgrade at qb = a nice year for Oakland and their offensive players

I'D LOVE TO HEAR A DEEPER EXPLANATION ON THIS ONE...

Kolb ABOVE Rivers, Schaub and Romo??? A guy with two career starts?? I'm not saying he's not in a good situation, but that seems a little extreme to me...

 

[jurb26]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

You mean the Moss who lead the NFL in TD catches despite Brady missing him on about 5 easy occasions when he could have scored also?

 

[doowain]

So I guess Chris Cooley retired?

Really..........Chris Cooley...........reallyI don't think Cooley will be the #1 te for this team

Yes....Chris Cooley. You know...that guy who had I think four Top 5-6 TE seasons in a row before last year. And he was actually having a great start to the season before his freak injury. Davis is talented and earned some snaps but I don't think there is any way Cooley isn't first string this year.

 

[TWP]

i know it's not that helpful, but: this list is crazy.

Even just looking at QBs, I would be willing to bet that just about any pairing of the below are in the wrong order.

K. Kolb

M. Schaub

T. Romo

J. Flacco

P. Rivers

I think the real order is probably:

Schaub

Rivers

Romo

Kolb

Flacco

There is similar craziness elsewhere. It seems like you took every somewhat contrarian view you had, many of which I can understand the thinking behind them and they could easily end up being right, and then you took them all to crazy extremes in order to end up with a list that makes absolutely no sense.

 

[FUBAR]

A. Gates- studD. Clark- No, not DesmondJ. Finley- I love this offenseJ. Witten- Still very reliableT. Gonzalez- Still a top 5 talentO. Daniels- Before he got hurt he was putting up some Big numbersF. Davis- McNabb has always put up huge numbers with his te. Davis has some great skills and McNabb with take advantage of themV. Davis- A drop from last yearB. Celek- The offense is set up nicely for tight ends in PhillyZ. Miller- A nice upgrade at qb = a nice year for Oakland and their offensive players

how is Winslow not on this list?

 

[David Yudkin]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

As I mentioned, you are entitled to your opinion and can project/predict whatever you want. But . . .Brady had his second best fantasty scoring season last year. 2007 was the year that didn't mix with the rest of his career. The reason why it LOOKED like he wasn't a high scoring QB is that there were a ton of other equally high scroing QBs last year.

 

[Blackjacks]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

As I mentioned, you are entitled to your opinion and can project/predict whatever you want. But . . .Brady had his second best fantasty scoring season last year. 2007 was the year that didn't mix with the rest of his career. The reason why it LOOKED like he wasn't a high scoring QB is that there were a ton of other equally high scroing QBs last year.

David, I really respect your opinion, really I do, especially when it comes to your Patriots. However watching that team closely last year I saw the end of an era in NE last year. If Welker can't make it back I'm doubting they make the playoffs and wouldn't be shocked at all if they weren't even .500The creativity just isn't there on the offensive side at all. They are counting on 2 rookie TE's. They are majorly lacking anything that resembles a running game.If they I will absolutely shocked if they are any better than 3-4 heading into week 9 @ Cle and if they lose that game you can count out Moss for the rest of the year.I know my ranking aren't typical, and that's fine. I wanted to be alittle different.

 

[Blackjacks]

A. Gates- studD. Clark- No, not DesmondJ. Finley- I love this offenseJ. Witten- Still very reliableT. Gonzalez- Still a top 5 talentO. Daniels- Before he got hurt he was putting up some Big numbersF. Davis- McNabb has always put up huge numbers with his te. Davis has some great skills and McNabb with take advantage of themV. Davis- A drop from last yearB. Celek- The offense is set up nicely for tight ends in PhillyZ. Miller- A nice upgrade at qb = a nice year for Oakland and their offensive players

how is Winslow not on this list?

Winslow is a nice player and usually pretty consistent when healthy. No disrespect by not putting him there. He'd be a close 11

 

[Blackjacks]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

You mean the Moss who lead the NFL in TD catches despite Brady missing him on about 5 easy occasions when he could have scored also?

Okay Okay I get. I know people can't believe that I don't have Moss in the top 10 but his body language was awful last year and I just dont want to spend a high pick on a guy that I think is going throw in the towel by midseason. He is a FA this year BTW and usually I bye into guys going into a contract year but like I said.....I'm very leary of the guy this year.

 

[Blackjacks]

P. Manning- Returns to the top this year

A. Roders- A true stud with dynamite offensive weapons

D. Brees- Very consistent

K. Kolb- I think Kolb is gonna tear it up

M. Schaub- Another QB with great options

T. Romo- I'm putting Romo maybe alittle lower than others cause I think Dallas is gonna run alot this year

J. Flacco- I really like Flacco and now that he has Boldin he has what he has been missing.......a go to guy

P. Rivers- I think SD will be running alittle more also which will make them a better team but might hurt Rivers's #'s alittle

D. McNabb- I really like McNabb this year. Washington has better weapons than most think.

J. Cutler- Cutler will be the most talented qb that Mike Martz has ever had but also the most pigheaded. He could be top 5 and he could be at the bottom teens but I'll put him here for now

I didn't forget about Brady or Favre. I think the NE offense will take a huge step in the wrong direction and I'm not sure if Favre is going to play.

ADP- No Chester should mean even bigger numbers

MJD- By far there best weapon

Gore- That Oline looks great now and they have other weapons to help take off the pressure from Gore

Mendenhall- I thnk the Steelers are gonna get back to Steeler football this year and run the ball

B. Wells- Leinart = run the ball more

C. Johnson- I know this will spark up some conversation but anyone that thinks he will put up the same numbers is crazy plus he might lose Mawae.

S. Jackson- Great talent and the team is getting alittle better around him. Another good year for S-Jax

R. Rice- I think people that are putting him in the top 5 are expecting alittle much. Top 10 should be his expections

D Williams- If him or Stewart would ever get hurt the other would be in my top 5.

R. Grant-I don't think Grant is a great talent but his situation is perfect.

Surprises that are left off: Micheal Turner and Cedric Benson. I like both of these guys cause they get carries but both are getting alittle long in the tooth and both have talented younger players behind them that will take some touches.

A. Johnson- Clearly the best wr in the game

S. Smith (Carolina)- Without Delhomme Smith with get back in the top 5 where he belongs

G. Jennings- You gotta love his big play ability to go along with a super qb

L. Fitzgerald- Fitz is outstanding but now he has Leinart throwing to him. He still has to be in the top 5 due to his skill but a higher risk

R. Wayne- Dependable as there is out there

D. Jackson- One word---------explosive--------

A. Boldin- I really like Q this year in Balt with Flacco. I question how many td's he might get but I love him to top 90 catches. He'll fit in perfectly on that team.

R. White- Very steady WR, should be good for 1200 and 7 minimal

B. Marshall- Very talented but new surroundings might hurt his value alittle

C. Johnson- Too talented to keep out of the top ten but I would like to see alittle more consistency

No Moss, Colston, Austin, Rice or V-Jax

Moss and Brady need Welker and if he isn't healthy I don't see that offense rolling. I think there is a new sheriff in town for NO and his name is Bobby Meachem. Miles Austin had a great year but with the drafting of Dez Bryant and a dedication to the run I see Austin coming back to the pack more. No Favre=No Rice and VJax.....the guy is just a knucklehead.

A. Gates- stud

D. Clark- No, not Desmond

J. Finley- I love this offense

J. Witten- Still very reliable

T. Gonzalez- Still a top 5 talent

O. Daniels- Before he got hurt he was putting up some Big numbers

F. Davis- McNabb has always put up huge numbers with his te. Davis has some great skills and McNabb with take advantage of them

V. Davis- A drop from last year

B. Celek- The offense is set up nicely for tight ends in Philly

Z. Miller- A nice upgrade at qb = a nice year for Oakland and their offensive players

I'D LOVE TO HEAR A DEEPER EXPLANATION ON THIS ONE...

Kolb ABOVE Rivers, Schaub and Romo??? A guy with two career starts?? I'm not saying he's not in a good situation, but that seems a little extreme to me...

In those 2 starts he avg. 360 yards and 2 td's. He reminds me alot of the Aaron Rodgers projection 2 years ago.

Young qb following in a HOF'er shadow with a loaded arsenial infront of him

Why does ranking him #4 surprise you so much?

He has a great offensive scheme and weapons to boot, he lacks a good running game so he has to throw and the biggest reason I love him this year

is the coaching staff has to proove it was a good idea to move McNabb for him.

Kolb has a very nice future in store for him in Philly

I like Rivers this year but I see them running with more success this year

Schaub is my team and I like him alot also but I don't know who's gonna step up on the other side of Andre. They don't have an excellent #2 wr plus I think Tate will be an upgrade for their running game and steal some yards and td's that Schaub got last year

Again, I like Romo and in another year or 2 he might be at teh top of the list but Bryant is a rookie, need to cal all expectations, Roy is a putz and I don't think Austin can repeat last year. I think Dallas is going to depend on the run alot more this year and might take the ball out of Romo's hands alittle

Basically all three guys you were questioning me about all have 1 thing in common..........running game that I THINK ARE UPGRADED

 

[PDX Pain]

This thread is a real cluster. My understanding of the OPs intentions were to rank players based on TALENT and talent alone. It's not a situational list. Putting Kolb in the top 10 immediately makes this list irrelevant. He hasn't shown enough to put him in the top 10 of QB's TALENT WISE. Sure, his situation is good. But that's not the point.

 

[Jayrod]

This thread is a real cluster. My understanding of the OPs intentions were to rank players based on TALENT and talent alone. It's not a situational list. Putting Kolb in the top 10 immediately makes this list irrelevant. He hasn't shown enough to put him in the top 10 of QB's TALENT WISE. Sure, his situation is good. But that's not the point.

Ummm..... Pretty sure it says "for fantasy purposes" in the title.HTH

 

[PDX Pain]

This thread is a real cluster. My understanding of the OPs intentions were to rank players based on TALENT and talent alone. It's not a situational list. Putting Kolb in the top 10 immediately makes this list irrelevant. He hasn't shown enough to put him in the top 10 of QB's TALENT WISE. Sure, his situation is good. But that's not the point.

Ummm..... Pretty sure it says "for fantasy purposes" in the title.HTH

Crap. Wrong thread. Haha. I meant to comment on the other one.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.

Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

You mean the Moss who set the all time record for TD catches in a season? That Randy Moss?

 

[domvin]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

You mean the Moss who lead the NFL in TD catches despite Brady missing him on about 5 easy occasions when he could have scored also?

Okay Okay I get. I know people can't believe that I don't have Moss in the top 10 but his body language was awful last year and I just dont want to spend a high pick on a guy that I think is going throw in the towel by midseason. He is a FA this year BTW and usually I bye into guys going into a contract year but like I said.....I'm very leary of the guy this year.

Moss played with a separated shoulder last year. Your body language would be poor with an AC joint popping out as well

 

[Blackjacks]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.

Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

You mean the Moss who set the all time record for TD catches in a season? That Randy Moss?

I meant 2006, sorry

 

[jude]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

As I mentioned, you are entitled to your opinion and can project/predict whatever you want. But . . .Brady had his second best fantasty scoring season last year. 2007 was the year that didn't mix with the rest of his career. The reason why it LOOKED like he wasn't a high scoring QB is that there were a ton of other equally high scroing QBs last year.

David, I really respect your opinion, really I do, especially when it comes to your Patriots. However watching that team closely last year I saw the end of an era in NE last year. If Welker can't make it back I'm doubting they make the playoffs and wouldn't be shocked at all if they weren't even .500The creativity just isn't there on the offensive side at all. They are counting on 2 rookie TE's. They are majorly lacking anything that resembles a running game.If they I will absolutely shocked if they are any better than 3-4 heading into week 9 @ Cle and if they lose that game you can count out Moss for the rest of the year.I know my ranking aren't typical, and that's fine. I wanted to be alittle different.

being the end of an era means nothing. This team could win 8 games and brady could still go 3800-30. Brady has proven myriad times that he is one of the best at spreading the rock around to many targets. with welker down, bb will go back to his roots. having kolb at 4 and brady outside te top 10 is worse than a headscratcher. it is as if you havent been watching patriots football at all over te past 5 years.

 

[ArcticEdge]

You want to be in my fantasy football league?

 

[David Yudkin]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

As I mentioned, you are entitled to your opinion and can project/predict whatever you want. But . . .Brady had his second best fantasty scoring season last year. 2007 was the year that didn't mix with the rest of his career. The reason why it LOOKED like he wasn't a high scoring QB is that there were a ton of other equally high scroing QBs last year.

David, I really respect your opinion, really I do, especially when it comes to your Patriots. However watching that team closely last year I saw the end of an era in NE last year. If Welker can't make it back I'm doubting they make the playoffs and wouldn't be shocked at all if they weren't even .500The creativity just isn't there on the offensive side at all. They are counting on 2 rookie TE's. They are majorly lacking anything that resembles a running game.If they I will absolutely shocked if they are any better than 3-4 heading into week 9 @ Cle and if they lose that game you can count out Moss for the rest of the year.I know my ranking aren't typical, and that's fine. I wanted to be alittle different.

Regardless of who they have thrown out there on offense, NE has ranked in the Top 10-12 in almost every team rushing. team passing, and team scoring category in the past 4 seasons. That includes the RBBC they've utilized, Matt Cassel at QB, a receiving corps led by Troy Brown and Reche Caldwell, hardly using the TE spot at all, etc. If, as you suggest, the Pats will be losing on an almost weekly basis, that would only mean Brady would be passing all day long. While I don't think Brady will sniff 2007 numbers, I have a hard time seeing a scenario where a healthy Brady finished out of the Top 10.Clealry you are not the only one that doesn't see the parts adding up to the whole. IIRC, in spite of their track record as a team, the FBG staff to date don't have a NE RB in the Top 40, a NE WR other than Moss in the Top 50, and a NE TE in the Top 25. Based on that, it almost looks like it's Randy Moss and a cast of thousands on offense . . .

 

[jbz]

This thread is a real cluster. My understanding of the OPs intentions were to rank players based on TALENT and talent alone. It's not a situational list. Putting Kolb in the top 10 immediately makes this list irrelevant. He hasn't shown enough to put him in the top 10 of QB's TALENT WISE. Sure, his situation is good. But that's not the point.

Ummm..... Pretty sure it says "for fantasy purposes" in the title.

HTH

Crap. Wrong thread. Haha. I meant to comment on the other one.

what other thread with Kolb in the top 10? Seems like you meant to comment in this one.

 

[ADP]

B. Wells- Leinart = run the ball more

Hightower?? No way Wells finishes that high.

R. Rice- I think people that are putting him in the top 5 are expecting alittle much. Top 10 should be his expections

Rice is a beast. Even with McGahee snaking TDs last year he finished Top 5. Why are expectations for Top 5 finish too much? And why is Wells (Hightower in mix) and Mendenhal (Dwyer threatening for GL carries) higher? What makes you believe these two guys will even approach the fantasy numbers Rice can (running and receiving).

 

[FUBAR]

A. Gates- studD. Clark- No, not DesmondJ. Finley- I love this offenseJ. Witten- Still very reliableT. Gonzalez- Still a top 5 talentO. Daniels- Before he got hurt he was putting up some Big numbersF. Davis- McNabb has always put up huge numbers with his te. Davis has some great skills and McNabb with take advantage of themV. Davis- A drop from last yearB. Celek- The offense is set up nicely for tight ends in PhillyZ. Miller- A nice upgrade at qb = a nice year for Oakland and their offensive players

how is Winslow not on this list?

Winslow is a nice player and usually pretty consistent when healthy. No disrespect by not putting him there. He'd be a close 11

okay, difference of opinion is all then. I see a developing QB who will rely on his TE a lot. In KW2 I see one of the most talented TEs in the NFL. Together I see top 5 type, above a declining Gonzo. I can see where you'd have 5-11 in almost any order, except I wouldn't include Fred Davis.

 

[bostonfred]

B. Wells- Leinart = run the ball more

Hightower?? No way Wells finishes that high.

R. Rice- I think people that are putting him in the top 5 are expecting alittle much. Top 10 should be his expections

Rice is a beast. Even with McGahee snaking TDs last year he finished Top 5. Why are expectations for Top 5 finish too much? And why is Wells (Hightower in mix) and Mendenhal (Dwyer threatening for GL carries) higher? What makes you believe these two guys will even approach the fantasy numbers Rice can (running and receiving).

To be fair, the argument you're making about Wells/Hightower is similar to the argument you could have made about Chris Johnson/LenDale last year. LenDale was even more of an entrenched goal line threat and was a 1000 yard rusher, but people were still talking up Johnson because they saw him as the much more talented player. I'm not saying it's going to work out the same way, but Hightower may not be the same kind of threat. I agree that Rice had a bit of a dream season. I feel like he should regress, but I'm not sure how much it will happen. The Ravens return their top nine offensive linemen intact (although they've tried to shop Gaither with the rapid development of Oher). And he's still in one of the most RB friendly systems you could hope for. The big fears with Rice are that he is tiny (still listed at 199 lbs on FBG) and that they've upgraded the receiving corps to the point that Flacco won't be forced to handoff or check down nearly as often. It's hard to believe that he'll disappear completely, though, and he's got a seemingly strong backup situation with McGahee and McClain. I'd be happy to build a team around him if I had him, but I don't think I'd pay the price to acquire him.

 

[Blackjacks]

B. Wells- Leinart = run the ball more

Hightower?? No way Wells finishes that high.

R. Rice- I think people that are putting him in the top 5 are expecting alittle much. Top 10 should be his expections

Rice is a beast. Even with McGahee snaking TDs last year he finished Top 5. Why are expectations for Top 5 finish too much? And why is Wells (Hightower in mix) and Mendenhal (Dwyer threatening for GL carries) higher? What makes you believe these two guys will even approach the fantasy numbers Rice can (running and receiving).

I would say McGahee is a better talent than both other mentioned rb's. Jonathon Dwyer was a very late round pick.......I doubt he is much competition and Hightower just isn't on the same level with Beannie from a talent standpoint. I think Rice will still be a nice player but with Boldin there now I think they pass alittle more and Rice might lose out on some targets.I think we would agree that out of those backups McGahee is the most talented right?

 

[Blackjacks]

A. Gates- studD. Clark- No, not DesmondJ. Finley- I love this offenseJ. Witten- Still very reliableT. Gonzalez- Still a top 5 talentO. Daniels- Before he got hurt he was putting up some Big numbersF. Davis- McNabb has always put up huge numbers with his te. Davis has some great skills and McNabb with take advantage of themV. Davis- A drop from last yearB. Celek- The offense is set up nicely for tight ends in PhillyZ. Miller- A nice upgrade at qb = a nice year for Oakland and their offensive players

how is Winslow not on this list?

Winslow is a nice player and usually pretty consistent when healthy. No disrespect by not putting him there. He'd be a close 11

okay, difference of opinion is all then. I see a developing QB who will rely on his TE a lot. In KW2 I see one of the most talented TEs in the NFL. Together I see top 5 type, above a declining Gonzo. I can see where you'd have 5-11 in almost any order, except I wouldn't include Fred Davis.

All I can say is I expect big things out of Davis this year

 

[Blackjacks]

You want to be in my fantasy football league?

I knew someone would come up with this highly thought out response.

 

[bmsarvis]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

As I mentioned, you are entitled to your opinion and can project/predict whatever you want. But . . .Brady had his second best fantasty scoring season last year. 2007 was the year that didn't mix with the rest of his career. The reason why it LOOKED like he wasn't a high scoring QB is that there were a ton of other equally high scroing QBs last year.

David, I really respect your opinion, really I do, especially when it comes to your Patriots. However watching that team closely last year I saw the end of an era in NE last year. If Welker can't make it back I'm doubting they make the playoffs and wouldn't be shocked at all if they weren't even .500The creativity just isn't there on the offensive side at all. They are counting on 2 rookie TE's. They are majorly lacking anything that resembles a running game.If they I will absolutely shocked if they are any better than 3-4 heading into week 9 @ Cle and if they lose that game you can count out Moss for the rest of the year.I know my ranking aren't typical, and that's fine. I wanted to be alittle different.

you don't think edelman will do a decent enough job fillin' in 4 wes?

 

[doowain]

So I guess Chris Cooley retired?

Really..........Chris Cooley...........reallyI don't think Cooley will be the #1 te for this team

Yes....Chris Cooley. You know...that guy who had I think four Top 5-6 TE seasons in a row before last year. And he was actually having a great start to the season before his freak injury. Davis is talented and earned some snaps but I don't think there is any way Cooley isn't first string this year.

Still awaiting response.What makes you think Cooley takes a back seat?

 

[TheFanatic]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

Gotta chime in here fellas. Timmy here just traded away Brady and Moss to his brother in his main fantasy league. Nothing more than him ripping players no longer on his team to justify in his mind moving them....

 

[identikit]

 

[footballsavvy]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

Gotta chime in here fellas. Timmy here just traded away Brady and Moss to his brother in his main fantasy league. Nothing more than him ripping players no longer on his team to justify in his mind moving them....

Could it possibly be that he traded them away for these reasons he has described above?

 

[Blackjacks]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

Gotta chime in here fellas. Timmy here just traded away Brady and Moss to his brother in his main fantasy league. Nothing more than him ripping players no longer on his team to justify in his mind moving them....

Could it possibly be that he traded them away for these reasons he has described above?

ding ding ding........we have a winnerI wasw trying to sell them to everyone and get the best value possible, you even commented on that.

 

[Blackjacks]

So I guess Chris Cooley retired?

Really..........Chris Cooley...........reallyI don't think Cooley will be the #1 te for this team

Yes....Chris Cooley. You know...that guy who had I think four Top 5-6 TE seasons in a row before last year. And he was actually having a great start to the season before his freak injury. Davis is talented and earned some snaps but I don't think there is any way Cooley isn't first string this year.

Still awaiting response.What makes you think Cooley takes a back seat?

I watched Davis play and I watched Cooley and I see Davis getting alot more catches than Cooley this year.No scientific reason except he is more talented.If you wanting some form of logic I guess it would be that Cooley is a better blocker and might help stay in while in 2 te sets and Davis would go out into a pattern.I shouldn't have downgraded Cooley as much as promote Davis earlier.I'm sure Cooley while still be a good te this year I just won't be drafting him

 

[doowain]

Why is it you are so down on the NE offense, Welker? Seriously, that's the only reason? Welker is a beneficiary of the offense, not the glue holding it together IMO. With Brady having a full year under his belt after the surgery (he was far from 100% the 1st half the year at least) I just don't see how there is going to be such a significant drop.

I think Welker is what makes that offense go.Brady wasn't the dominant fantasy player we are use to without McDaniels.Add in the fact that Randy Moss is starting to act like the Moss from 2007 and I'm just not really liking what I am seeing.

Gotta chime in here fellas. Timmy here just traded away Brady and Moss to his brother in his main fantasy league. Nothing more than him ripping players no longer on his team to justify in his mind moving them....

Could it possibly be that he traded them away for these reasons he has described above?

Maybe....if the reasons were justifiable.The real reason you should be trading Brady/Moss is their dynasty value inevitably falling off a cliff this year due to age. Not the reasons given by the OP.

 

[Texasmouth]

This is a no win topic for any author....no one is going to completely agree.

 

[Blackjacks]

This is a no win topic for any author....no one is going to completely agree.

I know but this is how I seriously see things this year. I'm not just going against the grain for arguements sake.Is it fun I think to get some different views out there instead of the same old same old

 

[Aardvarks]

P. Manning- Returns to the top this yearA. Roders- A true stud with dynamite offensive weaponsD. Brees- Very consistentK. Kolb- I think Kolb is gonna tear it upM. Schaub- Another QB with great optionsT. Romo- I'm putting Romo maybe alittle lower than others cause I think Dallas is gonna run alot this yearJ. Flacco- I really like Flacco and now that he has Boldin he has what he has been missing.......a go to guyP. Rivers- I think SD will be running alittle more also which will make them a better team but might hurt Rivers's #'s alittleD. McNabb- I really like McNabb this year. Washington has better weapons than most think.J. Cutler- Cutler will be the most talented qb that Mike Martz has ever had but also the most pigheaded. He could be top 5 and he could be at the bottom teens but I'll put him here for nowI didn't forget about Brady or Favre. I think the NE offense will take a huge step in the wrong direction and I'm not sure if Favre is going to play.ADP- No Chester should mean even bigger numbersMJD- By far there best weaponGore- That Oline looks great now and they have other weapons to help take off the pressure from GoreMendenhall- I thnk the Steelers are gonna get back to Steeler football this year and run the ballB. Wells- Leinart = run the ball moreC. Johnson- I know this will spark up some conversation but anyone that thinks he will put up the same numbers is crazy plus he might lose Mawae.S. Jackson- Great talent and the team is getting alittle better around him. Another good year for S-JaxR. Rice- I think people that are putting him in the top 5 are expecting alittle much. Top 10 should be his expectionsD Williams- If him or Stewart would ever get hurt the other would be in my top 5.R. Grant-I don't think Grant is a great talent but his situation is perfect.Surprises that are left off: Micheal Turner and Cedric Benson. I like both of these guys cause they get carries but both are getting alittle long in the tooth and both have talented younger players behind them that will take some touches. A. Johnson- Clearly the best wr in the gameS. Smith (Carolina)- Without Delhomme Smith with get back in the top 5 where he belongsG. Jennings- You gotta love his big play ability to go along with a super qbL. Fitzgerald- Fitz is outstanding but now he has Leinart throwing to him. He still has to be in the top 5 due to his skill but a higher risk R. Wayne- Dependable as there is out thereD. Jackson- One word---------explosive--------A. Boldin- I really like Q this year in Balt with Flacco. I question how many td's he might get but I love him to top 90 catches. He'll fit in perfectly on that team.R. White- Very steady WR, should be good for 1200 and 7 minimalB. Marshall- Very talented but new surroundings might hurt his value alittleC. Johnson- Too talented to keep out of the top ten but I would like to see alittle more consistencyNo Moss, Colston, Austin, Rice or V-JaxMoss and Brady need Welker and if he isn't healthy I don't see that offense rolling. I think there is a new sheriff in town for NO and his name is Bobby Meachem. Miles Austin had a great year but with the drafting of Dez Bryant and a dedication to the run I see Austin coming back to the pack more. No Favre=No Rice and VJax.....the guy is just a knucklehead.A. Gates- studD. Clark- No, not DesmondJ. Finley- I love this offenseJ. Witten- Still very reliableT. Gonzalez- Still a top 5 talentO. Daniels- Before he got hurt he was putting up some Big numbersF. Davis- McNabb has always put up huge numbers with his te. Davis has some great skills and McNabb with take advantage of themV. Davis- A drop from last yearB. Celek- The offense is set up nicely for tight ends in PhillyZ. Miller- A nice upgrade at qb = a nice year for Oakland and their offensive players

Well the good news is you should be able to draft several of the players in your leagues.

This.Look, I'm all for taking chances. I believe drafting for "value" is the silliest concept because of the wild turnover in the top-20 each year... But this is another FF forum post where the author is either A) trying to get attention, which was obviously successful, or B) Popping Vicodin, which is dangerous - and illegal without a subscription.Chris Johnson at #6? C'mon brother.

 

[heidbrink]

I appreciate your sometimes contrarian viewpoints. It helps spurn discussion (see above) which allows us all to clarify our own thoughts. I haven't begun my own redraft lists yet but thanks for kicking off the discussion.

As I recall you were very high on Schaub last year as well (against the grain)...I remember because I was too. Props on that one.