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Nanny Refuses to Leave Family's Home (1 Viewer)

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A California family is stumped about what to do with a live-in nanny they say refuses to work, refuses to be fired and refuses to leave.

In fact, Marcella Bracamonte claims that the nanny, Diane Stretton, has threatened to sue the family for wrongful firing and elder abuse.

Marcella and Ralph Bracamonte of Upland, California, say they hired Stretton, 64, as a live-in nanny on March 4 to help with their three children, ages 11, 4, and 1. According to the couple, the terms of Stretton's employment were that Stretton was to nanny for the family and help around the house in exchange for room and board.

“We’ve done it before and have never had a problem,” Marcella Bracamonte told ABC News. “I was a stay-at-home mom and thought it would be good to have someone around to help out.”

“The first few weeks she was awesome,” Bracamonte said. “She would come places with us, help out the kids. She was really great.”

Then things changed.

“All of a sudden she stopped working, she would stay in her room all day and only come out when food was ready,” said Bracamonte.

Stretton then told the couple she had chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, which prevented her from helping around the house.

After what Bracamonte said was weeks of failed attempts to encourage Stretton to perform some of her agreed upon duties, the couple approached her on June 6 with a “last chance letter” reiterating the conditions of her job and stating the consequences if she continued to ignore her responsibilities. Stretton, Bracamonte said, refused to sign the letter, saying that the job was too much for her and she would be leaving in 30 days.

The Bracamontes approached her with a second letter putting her 30-day notice in writing, which, they said, she also refused to sign.

“When I asked her why she wouldn’t sign the letter she said ‘It’s not legal,’ and slammed the door in my face,” Bracamonte recalled. “Once she said the word legal, I knew it wasn’t going to be fun.”

Bracamonte called the police, but the cops declined to do anything, saying it was a civil matter. Lt. John Moore of the Upland Police Department confirmed to ABC News that there is no immediate action that can be taken against Stretton, saying "generally, once somebody has established residency, you have to go through a formal eviction process.”

Bracamonte soon realized that this was not Stretton’s first time with legal matters. Stretton reportedly has been involved in 36 lawsuits, landing herself on California’s Vexatious Litigant Lists for repeatedly abusing the legal system.

“Anyone who looks at her crooked, she sues,” said Bracamonte.

She claims that Stretton is now threatening to sue for wrongful firing and elder abuse.

Stretton is still living in the family's home, eating the family's food and Bracamonte said Stretton told her she wanted the family out of the house from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.

“I’m not going to bend for her,” said Bracamonte. “I’m in charge, this is my house. She’s not going to scare me out of my own house.”

But Bracamonte fears for her three children staying in the house with Stretton, saying “I worry there’s obviously something not right in her mind, and the police won’t protect us until someone gets hurt.”

“You don’t know what you’re opening yourself up to when you open your house to someone,” said Bracamonte

 
She is out of her mind.

GTFO of my house!!! Holy crap what a story. This needs to be resolved by the authorities/court system ASAP. Can you imagine this happening in your home? This is Pacific Heights territory!!!

 
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In my state there's a legal remedy, but since she's established residency there she's not trespassing and would generally get thirty days to get out.

 
It's horrible that the law allows this woman to stay under these circumstances. A family should be able to protect it's home and keep it safe for their children. On the other hand, how did these people let someone move in without doing a background check? That would have revealed the 36 previous lawsuits and would have been a red flag to pass on her. So they do bear some responsibility for this.

 
Id research sleep deprivation techniques and send my family to a hotel for a night. This ##### would be gone by morning. :flex:

 
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She is out of her mind.

GTFO of my house!!! Holy crap what a story. This needs to be resolved by the authorities ASAP. Can you imagine this happening in your home?
I had this happen with a crazy ex-girlfriend (Rate this chick girl from near Tannerville that I posted about on here about 5 years ago). She had been living me for a few weeks prior to us breaking up so when we broke up and she refused to leave and instead demanded I get out, I spent a nervous three days on my buddy's couch. She finally left when I notified I had the forcible detainer docs prepared (and, thankfully, my stuff appeared pretty much intact and still there). However, under my state law, she probably could've squatted her crazy ### down in my apartment for thirty days after I filed the docs and there was nothing I could do.

ETA: Eh, I don't believe she'd have a right to their food (although I'd defer to others licensed in that state more familiar with these issues). I could see a stretch argument that she'd be committing theft if she just ate their food without permission. Nonetheless, I imagine food is part of her original contract so it could still fall under the civil veil.

 
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It's horrible that the law allows this woman to stay under these circumstances. A family should be able to protect it's home and keep it safe for their children. On the other hand, how did these people let someone move in without doing a background check? That would have revealed the 36 previous lawsuits and would have been a red flag to pass on her. So they do bear some responsibility for this.
Nothing from what I've read suggests she's committed a crime. :shrug:

I certainly understand why this law lends itself to some pretty crappy situations, but the general philosophy behind it is to protect some individuals from just being booted out onto the street. It takes time to get a new place and for many having enough liquidated funds to afford a long term hotel stay just isn't an option. I think it makes sense then to afford these people some protection.

 
The lady was hired to do a job, and since she refuses to do it, she violated the terms of her employment, and should summarily be fired and evicted. No family should be held hostage by a clearly disturbed woman looking to mooch off of them. Stop feeding her, and if she tries to take food, have her arrested. Shut off the power to her room if you have to, and if/when she sues, countersue for extortion and defamation of character. If she's been a problem in the legal system before, a judge might toss her case out.

 
why don't the remove all the food from their home, turn off the water and wait her out. Put the family in a hotel while rotating shifts until she leaves. Change the locks..Problem solved. It is a PIA but i would rather not have to deal with her being there.

 
The lady was hired to do a job, and since she refuses to do it, she violated the terms of her employment, and should summarily be fired and evicted. No family should be held hostage by a clearly disturbed woman looking to mooch off of them. Stop feeding her, and if she tries to take food, have her arrested. Shut off the power to her room if you have to, and if/when she sues, countersue for extortion and defamation of character. If she's been a problem in the legal system before, a judge might toss her case out.
Meh, it's the same situation as if she was in a separate apartment on the property. It's very similar to a super in an apartment complex. If the apartment complex wanted to fire a super, should they have the right to just throw him and his family out onto the street?

 
why don't the remove all the food from their home, turn off the water and wait her out. Put the family in a hotel while rotating shifts until she leaves. Change the locks..Problem solved. It is a PIA but i would rather not have to deal with her being there.
Generally you can't self-help an eviction.

 
I'm telling you. Sleep deprivation is the way to go. Put a speaker outside her door and play heavy metal rock music at max volume off and on all night. Mix in some women screaming and barking dogs. This ##### would guy even more bat #### crazy.

 
The lady was hired to do a job, and since she refuses to do it, she violated the terms of her employment, and should summarily be fired and evicted. No family should be held hostage by a clearly disturbed woman looking to mooch off of them. Stop feeding her, and if she tries to take food, have her arrested. Shut off the power to her room if you have to, and if/when she sues, countersue for extortion and defamation of character. If she's been a problem in the legal system before, a judge might toss her case out.
Meh, it's the same situation as if she was in a separate apartment on the property. It's very similar to a super in an apartment complex. If the apartment complex wanted to fire a super, should they have the right to just throw him and his family out onto the street?
Sounds to me like she quit. She isn't a victim here from what I can see.
 
why don't the remove all the food from their home, turn off the water and wait her out. Put the family in a hotel while rotating shifts until she leaves. Change the locks..Problem solved. It is a PIA but i would rather not have to deal with her being there.
Generally you can't self-help an eviction.
You'd also be giving up physical possession of the property, likely granting her even greater legal status and perhaps at least an argument to take the property through adverse possession

 
why don't the remove all the food from their home, turn off the water and wait her out. Put the family in a hotel while rotating shifts until she leaves. Change the locks..Problem solved. It is a PIA but i would rather not have to deal with her being there.
Generally you can't self-help an eviction.
You'd also be giving up physical possession of the property, likely granting her even greater legal status and perhaps at least an argument to take the property through adverse possession
Oh come on, that crap is more of a myth and would certainly not apply in this case.

 
why don't the remove all the food from their home, turn off the water and wait her out. Put the family in a hotel while rotating shifts until she leaves. Change the locks..Problem solved. It is a PIA but i would rather not have to deal with her being there.
Generally you can't self-help an eviction.
You'd also be giving up physical possession of the property, likely granting her even greater legal status and perhaps at least an argument to take the property through adverse possession
Oh come on, that crap is more of a myth and would certainly not apply in this case.
Depends upon the state. This is Cali, correct? IIRC, a very tenant friendly state and she is now probably a tenant, legally.

Don't make it right but it could make it difficult.

 
Evicting a tenant from a stand alone residence vs. your own home are treated differently under the law. She won't be there long.

 
The lady was hired to do a job, and since she refuses to do it, she violated the terms of her employment, and should summarily be fired and evicted. No family should be held hostage by a clearly disturbed woman looking to mooch off of them. Stop feeding her, and if she tries to take food, have her arrested. Shut off the power to her room if you have to, and if/when she sues, countersue for extortion and defamation of character. If she's been a problem in the legal system before, a judge might toss her case out.
Meh, it's the same situation as if she was in a separate apartment on the property. It's very similar to a super in an apartment complex. If the apartment complex wanted to fire a super, should they have the right to just throw him and his family out onto the street?
If the tenant violates the terms of their agreement, the complex has the right to evict them, going through the channels available to them. While she may threaten to sue for child abuse (which is a ###### move, and hard to both prove and disprove), they can have her thrown out.
 
The lady was hired to do a job, and since she refuses to do it, she violated the terms of her employment, and should summarily be fired and evicted. No family should be held hostage by a clearly disturbed woman looking to mooch off of them. Stop feeding her, and if she tries to take food, have her arrested. Shut off the power to her room if you have to, and if/when she sues, countersue for extortion and defamation of character. If she's been a problem in the legal system before, a judge might toss her case out.
Meh, it's the same situation as if she was in a separate apartment on the property. It's very similar to a super in an apartment complex. If the apartment complex wanted to fire a super, should they have the right to just throw him and his family out onto the street?
If the tenant violates the terms of their agreement, the complex has the right to evict them, going through the channels available to them. While she may threaten to sue for child abuse (which is a ###### move, and hard to both prove and disprove), they can have her thrown out.
Exactly, maybe I misunderstood you. I thought you meant throw her out. The family should start eviction proceedings ASAP, (just like the super or a separate apartment), but it's pretty clear imo she's a tenant and that she's entitled to the normal eviction proceedings.

 
The lady was hired to do a job, and since she refuses to do it, she violated the terms of her employment, and should summarily be fired and evicted. No family should be held hostage by a clearly disturbed woman looking to mooch off of them. Stop feeding her, and if she tries to take food, have her arrested. Shut off the power to her room if you have to, and if/when she sues, countersue for extortion and defamation of character. If she's been a problem in the legal system before, a judge might toss her case out.
Meh, it's the same situation as if she was in a separate apartment on the property. It's very similar to a super in an apartment complex. If the apartment complex wanted to fire a super, should they have the right to just throw him and his family out onto the street?
If the tenant violates the terms of their agreement, the complex has the right to evict them, going through the channels available to them. While she may threaten to sue for child abuse (which is a ###### move, and hard to both prove and disprove), they can have her thrown out.
Exactly, maybe I misunderstood you. I thought you meant throw her out. The family should start eviction proceedings ASAP, (just like the super or a separate apartment), but it's pretty clear imo she's a tenant and that she's entitled to the normal eviction proceedings.
I support whatever measure they can employ to keep their family safe as soon as possible. The easiest way would be to hire some large men to come in, remove her and her things from the premises, and keep her out, but that's inviting legal trouble from an already sue-happy moocher. The best way would be to go through legal channels while looking for any reason to have her arrested/ removed from the home.
 
Someone needs to get down there and enlighten these bigots to the fact this lady is a, "net-positive," tenant.

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Why are they still feeding her? Do they all sit down at the table for dinner together and discuss their day?
that's exactly what i thought...you starve her out.

make her get her own food and when she leaves you don't let her back in.

 
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Here's an idea - GET A BACKGROUND CHECK AND SEARCH ONLINE FOR THE PERSON YOU ARE LETTING LIVE IN YOUR HOUSE AND WATCH YOUR KIDS.

 
Why are they still feeding her? Do they all sit down at the table for dinner together and discuss their day?
that's exactly what i thought...you starve her out.

make her get her own food and when she leaves you don't let her back in.
Yep. Physically remove the door from her room. Remove all food from the house. Remove all furnishings from her room. She wants to sleep on the floor in an empty room with no door and nothing to eat... go for it.

 
If she is considered a tenant under the law almost everything you guys are suggesting here would result in her having a real reason to sue and probably win. Got to go through the process. In this day and age there is no excuse for not paying a few bucks to do a background check. Would have saved a lot of aggravation here. Do your due diligence or suffer the consequences.

 
Cut the heat and power to her room.
IIRC in California you put yourself at legal risk.
I think everywhere this is the case. Wasn't a gas company sued recently because they shut off someones natural gas for non-payment and they died?
I know that when Duke power froze an old woman here by cutting off her power a couple of years ago they changed their policies to take into account temps. I don't know if they got sued or not.

 
I'm pretty sure that you can seal windows from the outside, close off the access to the ducts in her room from other spots in the house and then sneak a CO2 hose into her room. I'm envisioning an Oceans 11 like moment when they are standing outside the door waiting to hear the thud.

 
If she is considered a tenant under the law almost everything you guys are suggesting here would result in her having a real reason to sue and probably win. Got to go through the process. In this day and age there is no excuse for not paying a few bucks to do a background check. Would have saved a lot of aggravation here. Do your due diligence or suffer the consequences.
Are you legally required to provide food and furnishings to a tenant? :confused:

 

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