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[BeTheMatch]

IIRC, Jacoby Jones got hurt in the preseason last year and could never get / stay healthy.

And he was a fumbler since Day 1 and continues to be. And it's sounding like he's somewhat of a knucklehead off the field, as well.I think I remember Jackson having some off-field issues, too, but I was impressed by the way he sought out Jerry Rice and worked out with him a lot leading up to the draft.

 

[flranger]

IIRC, Jacoby Jones got hurt in the preseason last year and could never get / stay healthy.

Funny how that happens to small rookie WRs.........Coming from someone who drank the Jacoby koolaid last year. They just seem like very similar players in similar situations. Just trying to keep people from wasting a mid round pick.If anything, Jacoby had even better opportunity with AJ out about 8 games last year.sorry for the Jacoby

 

[BeTheMatch]

IIRC, Jacoby Jones got hurt in the preseason last year and could never get / stay healthy.

Funny how that happens to small rookie WRs.........Coming from someone who drank the Jacoby koolaid last year. They just seem like very similar players in similar situations. Just trying to keep people from wasting a mid round pick.If anything, Jacoby had even better opportunity with AJ out about 8 games last year.sorry for the Jacoby :(

I don't really see Jacoby Jones as being small.

 

[Darth Cheney]

This guy has some nice upside. He's in a nice position what with the lack of WR options in Philly. Philly throws the ball alot. McNabb can throw a deep ball and Jackson alot of speed. He had first round talent. And he has looked good in the preseason. Would I want to go into the season with him as a WR 2 for my team? Of course not. But anyone who doesn't think he isn't worth a flyer is nuts.

 

[flranger]

..............and he is a rookie, playing at what is probably the hardest position in the NFL to come in and excel.

To pick him in rounds 5-9 (mid rounds) when guys like: Coles, Driver, White, Jennings, Burleson, Harrison, Galloway are available would be crazy. I agree as a late round flyer he has potential, but the tone so far is as if he will out perform the group above.

It is far more likely he will have about 40 catches for 500 yards and 4 TDs than any member of the group above. FBG projections have them around 60-65 catches / 800 yards / 6-7 TDs.

If your an Eagles fan.......then go ahead and put him on your team. To win your league......go with the known commodity.

 

[Rushmore]

..............and he is a rookie, playing at what is probably the hardest position in the NFL to come in and excel. To pick him in rounds 5-9 (mid rounds) when guys like: Coles, Driver, White, Jennings, Burleson, Harrison, Galloway are available would be crazy. I agree as a late round flyer he has potential, but the tone so far is as if he will out perform the group above. It is far more likely he will have about 40 catches for 500 yards and 4 TDs than any member of the group above. FBG projections have them around 60-65 catches / 800 yards / 6-7 TDs.If your an Eagles fan.......then go ahead and put him on your team. To win your league......go with the known commodity.

So I guess you're not a fan?

 

[BeTheMatch]

..............and he is a rookie, playing at what is probably the hardest position in the NFL to come in and excel.

To pick him in rounds 5-9 (mid rounds) when guys like: Coles, Driver, White, Jennings, Burleson, Harrison, Galloway are available would be crazy. I agree as a late round flyer he has potential, but the tone so far is as if he will out perform the group above.

It is far more likely he will have about 40 catches for 500 yards and 4 TDs than any member of the group above. FBG projections have them around 60-65 catches / 800 yards / 6-7 TDs.

If your an Eagles fan.......then go ahead and put him on your team. To win your league......go with the known commodity.

I'm pretty sure no one is suggesting this.

 

[CalBear]

..............and he is a rookie, playing at what is probably the hardest position in the NFL to come in and excel. To pick him in rounds 5-9 (mid rounds) when guys like: Coles, Driver, White, Jennings, Burleson, Harrison, Galloway are available would be crazy. I agree as a late round flyer he has potential, but the tone so far is as if he will out perform the group above. It is far more likely he will have about 40 catches for 500 yards and 4 TDs than any member of the group above. FBG projections have them around 60-65 catches / 800 yards / 6-7 TDs.If your an Eagles fan.......then go ahead and put him on your team. To win your league......go with the known commodity.

I think expecting big fantasy numbers out of Jackson in 2008 is unrealistic. Steve Smith, who represents Jackson's upside, had just 10 receptions his rookie year. Because of WR injuries in Philly, Jackson may get opportunities that Smith didn't, but even as a huge fan and a Cal homer I think projecting more than 50 receptions for Jackson is out of line. But, he's certainly looking closer to the next Steve Smith than the next Dante Hall, and that's a big plus.

 

[broncofan13000]

..............and he is a rookie, playing at what is probably the hardest position in the NFL to come in and excel.

To pick him in rounds 5-9 (mid rounds) when guys like: Coles, Driver, White, Jennings, Burleson, Harrison, Galloway are available would be crazy. I agree as a late round flyer he has potential, but the tone so far is as if he will out perform the group above.

It is far more likely he will have about 40 catches for 500 yards and 4 TDs than any member of the group above. FBG projections have them around 60-65 catches / 800 yards / 6-7 TDs.

If your an Eagles fan.......then go ahead and put him on your team. To win your league......go with the known commodity.

I'm pretty sure no one is suggesting this.

Agreed. No way i'd pick Desean that high...my hype on him is strictly for Dynasty leagues.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I hope Dawkins' injury isn't too serious. He's no great shakes at this stage of his career, but he's still much, much better than Sean Considine.

I missed this. What happened?

It happened in the second quarter. A couple of guys fell on his leg at the end of a play. He limped off the field and was taken for X-rays. Not heard anything official yet. Rotoworld called it an ankle injury.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Gutierrez looked way better than Cassell, for anyone who cares about the backup QBs in NE. Kolb looked good too.

 

[renesauz]

There was an awful lot to love about this game if your an Eagles fan. Jackson continued to impress, McNabb was on fire (AGAIN). LJ Smith had a few nice catches and looked good. The ST's FINALLY blocked a little, and were rewarded with TWO return TD's. The first team defense stymied NE's first team offense, and would have pitched a shutout if not for a 48 yard pass interferance penalty.

Really, the only negative came with the lousy play of the second/third string defense...allowing Gutierrez to routinely convert third and long and complete a 99 yard drive in just a few plays. To be fair though, it was certainly in prevent time.

As far as Jackson is concerned....I don't think anybody is really advocating taking him in the 4/5th rounds, but many of us are very excited about his prospects, and he will certainly be given the rare opportunity to produce as a rookie (rare in this offense anyway). Well worth a pick in the late mid to late rounds (IE: 10th+ in a 12 teamer)

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

While this Eagles lovefest is quite interesting to read about, any observations on:

- how Maroney looked?

- how Morris looked?

- why L Jordan didn't play?

 

[Texican]

While this Eagles lovefest is quite interesting to read about, any observations on:- how Maroney looked?- how Morris looked?- why L Jordan didn't play?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

..............and he is a rookie, playing at what is probably the hardest position in the NFL to come in and excel.

To pick him in rounds 5-9 (mid rounds) when guys like: Coles, Driver, White, Jennings, Burleson, Harrison, Galloway are available would be crazy. I agree as a late round flyer he has potential, but the tone so far is as if he will out perform the group above.

It is far more likely he will have about 40 catches for 500 yards and 4 TDs than any member of the group above. FBG projections have them around 60-65 catches / 800 yards / 6-7 TDs.

If your an Eagles fan.......then go ahead and put him on your team. To win your league......go with the known commodity.

I'm pretty sure no one is suggesting this.

Agreed. No way i'd pick Desean that high...my hype on him is strictly for Dynasty leagues.

Don't dismiss redraft.Every year it seems a rookie WR steps up and contributes.

Boldin.

Colston.

Bowe.

It happens.

 

[renesauz]

While this Eagles lovefest is quite interesting to read about, any observations on:- how Maroney looked?- how Morris looked?- why L Jordan didn't play?

New Englands running game was completely demolished....hard to blame the RB's cuz there was nowhere to go as they were routinely being met at the LOS or BEHIND it. Only the second team passing attack went anywhere. No clue on Jordan.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Jordan didn't play. Rotoworld says: "LaMont Jordan will miss the Patriots' third preseason game.

Jordan didn't even warmup for the last two games, which would indicate he's hurt. But he hasn't missed much practice, so his status is a mystery. That either indicates 1) the coaches saw enough when Jordan ran for 76 yards on 19 carries against backups two weeks ago to think he's worth keeping, or 2) he's going to get cut. He's not a good fantasy pick this weekend unless as a last-round flier."

I missed most of the first quarter so I didn't see Maroney. In the second quarter, Morris and Faulk got the carries. Nothing distinctive happened, other than an outstanding blitz pickup by Faulk. Eagles run D was very good. Most of the yards on their FG drive in the second quarter came from a pass interference penalty. In the second half, that rookie with the hyphenated name played. He got stuffed a lot too, but did have at least one big run.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

While this Eagles lovefest is quite interesting to read about, any observations on:- how Maroney looked?- how Morris looked?- why L Jordan didn't play?

New Englands running game was completely demolished....hard to blame the RB's cuz there was nowhere to go as they were routinely being met at the LOS or BEHIND it. Only the second team passing attack went anywhere. No clue on Jordan.

Thx. Did they even mention L Jordan? Or is BB trying to rest all his starters?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Sammy Morris looked good.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

While this Eagles lovefest is quite interesting to read about, any observations on:- how Maroney looked?- how Morris looked?- why L Jordan didn't play?

New Englands running game was completely demolished....hard to blame the RB's cuz there was nowhere to go as they were routinely being met at the LOS or BEHIND it. Only the second team passing attack went anywhere. No clue on Jordan.

Thx. Did they even mention L Jordan? Or is BB trying to rest all his starters?

I don't remember any mention of him, but I was listening to the Eagles' announcers and missed the first quarter, so that may not mean much.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Sammy Morris looked good.

Good enough that he'll split carries with Maroney again? Or is L Jordan the guy to have?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Sammy Morris looked good.

Good enough that he'll split carries with Maroney again? Or is L Jordan the guy to have?

He could be - COULD be - the goal line back.It's anyone's guess what BB will do. All I know is I don't want to pick Maroney very high.

 

[Billy Bats]

McNabb seems to like Jackson, which is a plus and the injuries will get him on the field. But it always seems like Reid finds a way, or an excuse, to bury a rookie. It's fun to watch him, but I'm not expecting much out of him other than special teams.

 

[Rushmore]

McNabb seems to like Jackson, which is a plus and the injuries will get him on the field. But it always seems like Reid finds a way, or an excuse, to bury a rookie. It's fun to watch him, but I'm not expecting much out of him other than special teams.

After seeing him thus far, I don't see how they can keep from giving him opportunities. He seems like a great possesion wr who can make someone miss and take it for big gains. I think he definitely needs someone opposite of him though.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I don't question Jackson's talents, but there is no way I would expect a 170 lb WR to take the pounding that NFL WRs take. He will go far too early in drafts for me to take him.

I do think he could be an important part of the Eagles if they don't overuse him. He is pretty impressive.

 

[drdgreenlove]

As an Eagles fan, let me say that DeSean is much more involved than any rookie has been in (on offense) in the Andy Reid era. That may be for 3 reasons:

1) Andy is getting older and changing his ways a bit (We now have an over 30 club whereas in the past players didnt make it to 30 years old on the Eagles)

2) Andy realizes DeSean is the real deal and DeSean is learning/progresing quickly enough to earn playing time

3) Injuries have given DeSean the opportunity

It is only preseason and it means nothing. However, there are 2 important things to pick up on,...

1) McNabb loves Desean- DeSean has a knack for getting open, has decent (not great) hands, and is perfect for the offense we run. He isnt just a deep threat.. he finds the seems in the zone and catches the short passes as well

2) DeSean's speed translates well to the NFL and he is learning how to maximize it. Each week in the preseason he has improved. Week one he caught a lot of balls but didnt break any. Week 2 he broke a punt return (that he fumbled on). Week 3 he ran back a TD and also had another long return called back. Plus he has consistently been the top option on offense.

I think PacMan may be the only corner who can cover him (d/t his speed) in the NFC.... (week 2 Eagles at Dallas will be a big test)

And as others have pointed out, rookie WRs can do well in fantasy/NFL... If there is a top candidate at this point it has to be DeSean (especially if you get return points for your WR)

So yes, he could be the next Jacoby Jones. But DeSean's college career, and brief preseason career, and mcNabb's faith in him all suggest he is for real and not to be discounted. No he wont be a WR1 this year (I think).. but he could easily be a WR2 and candidate for rookie of the year (though McFadden will probably win)

 

[Tanner9919]

Sammy Morris looked good.

wow Jeff, all that over the top Eagles love and thats all you have to say about NE in a Phi-NE thread?!?! thanks for the great info...should I put Morris on the 'sleeper list' then? please find an 'Eagles only' thread next timeplenty of us were interested in what the Pats players looked like...

 

[scratcher]

Sammy Morris looked good.

wow Jeff, all that over the top Eagles love and thats all you have to say about NE in a Phi-NE thread?!?! thanks for the great info...should I put Morris on the 'sleeper list' then? please find an 'Eagles only' thread next timeplenty of us were interested in what the Pats players looked like...

Then maybe some NE fans should come in and post?

 

[DropKick]

Can't you guys find a different short name than DJax? Darrel Jackson is still in the league. It will make threads really hard to read. It's bad enough 'Adrian Peterson' and 'average draft position' have the same abbreviation.

How's DeJax?

Or better yet, "Desean". It worked for his parents.

 

[DawnBTVS]

I will say this...

As far as the backup job goes in NE, Gutierrez when he came in seemed to "energize" the team a lot more whereas they looked completely deflated when Cassell was in (Who played really poorly even with the pressure). What worries me is that it was the 1st team offense that looked deflated... not something you want to see when the "backup" comes in (if the starter goes down in the regular season).

Cassell did have one pretty run but as per the whole pre-season, was largely inconsistent most of the time until his last (or 2nd to last) drive of the game.

Cassell played until around 4:30 left in the 3rd and Gutierrez came in and immediately led a drive for a TD (71 yards) including a nice lob pass to Jackson. Gutierrez also seemed more poised and took a lot of shots delivering the ball anyway.

 

[renesauz]

I will say this...As far as the backup job goes in NE, Gutierrez when he came in seemed to "energize" the team a lot more whereas they looked completely deflated when Cassell was in (Who played really poorly even with the pressure). What worries me is that it was the 1st team offense that looked deflated... not something you want to see when the "backup" comes in (if the starter goes down in the regular season).Cassell did have one pretty run but as per the whole pre-season, was largely inconsistent most of the time until his last (or 2nd to last) drive of the game.Cassell played until around 4:30 left in the 3rd and Gutierrez came in and immediately led a drive for a TD (71 yards) including a nice lob pass to Jackson. Gutierrez also seemed more poised and took a lot of shots delivering the ball anyway.

All true...but you should remember that most of Cassel's work was against the Philly first-teamers. Most of Gutierrez' work came against a very dis-organized and ineffective second/third string defense. Any NFL QB would have picked apart that coverage in the fourth quarter.