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New Book Ranks Top 25 QBs All-Time (1 Viewer)

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It's published by The Sporting News and here's the list:1. Johnny Unitas2. Joe Montana3. Otto Graham 4. John Elway5. Sammy Baugh 6. Dan Marino7. Brett Favre8. Terry Bradshaw9. Roger Staubach 10. Bart Starr11. Fran Tarkenton 12. Troy Aikman 13. Steve Young14. Sid Luckman 15. Peyton Manning16. Dan Fouts 17. Bobby Layne18. Norm Van Brocklin19. Tom Brady20. Sonny Jurgensen21. Jim Kelly22. Y.A. Tittle23. Len Dawson 24. Bob Griese25. Joe Namath

 
I'm ok with that list :thumbup:

JU -

1) First to throw for 40,000 yds in a time when teams didn't pass as much

2) 3 World Championships (1 Super Bowl)

3) 47 straight games throwing a TD, a record that still stands and is equivalent to Joe DiMaggio 56 game hitting streak. Did it when seasons were only 12 and 14 games, so he had several off-seasons during the streak

4) Invented the two minute drill

5) Best field general ever and called his own plays.

Decade-by-Decade: The 1960s and Unitas' record

Record TD streak regarded as Pro Football's "Unbreakable Record"

Favre's "challenge" ended in Week 13 of 2004 NFL Season

At the time of his retirement in 1973, Johnny Unitas, the superstar quarterback of the Baltimore Colts, held virtually every career passing record that existed in the National Football League. Since that time, some of those records have been surpassed.

One record, however, still remains and may be one of the NFL's few unbreakable records. Comparable to Joe Dimaggio's 56-game hit streak, Unitas compiled a string of 47 straight games in which he threw at least one touchdown pass.

The record has not been seriously challenged. The closest a quarterback has come is the 36-game string by Brett Favre of the Green Bay Packers from 2002 to 2004. Next closest were Dan Marino of the Miami Dolphins who had a 30-game streak that took place over the 1985-1987 seasons, and Seattle Seahawks' Dave Krieg (28 consecutive games from 1983-1985).

Unitas' remarkable feat began during his rookie campaign in a game against the Los Angeles Rams in 1956. Four years later and 11 games into the 1960 season, the streak finally ended against the same Rams team that the streak had begun.

By completing 697 passes for 10,645 yards and 102 touchdowns during the 47-game string, Unitas quickly became recognized as one of the greatest quarterbacks to play the game. Seven different Colts were on the receiving end of his scoring passes, but Hall of Famers Raymond Berry with 38 TD catches, and Lenny Moore with 27, were Unitas' favorite targets.

After a record-filled 18-year career, and three championships, Unitas himself was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1979. His full uniform is on display at the Hall as well as the football he threw to surpass 40,000 passing yards.

 
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Glad to see Slingin' Sammy getting his due. Again, for the unitiated, probably the greatest all around player in NFL history: QB, DB, and P. I believe he still holds some punting records and he's been retired over 50 years.

 
suprised to see Namath on that list and I'm a Jets fan. Jim Kelly should be higher.

 
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solid listI would change these:Marino up Favre down Bradshaw up (only player way out of place IMO)Starr down Kelly up Brady up Kelly up

 
Troy Aikman and Bob Griese need to be eliminated from the list.They're confusing team success with QB ability.Warren Moon is easily better than both of them.

 
Brady should be a little higher, Manning lower. Staubach higher, Young Higher, Aik maybe a little lower. They got #1 and #2 dead on though and there should not be much debate. Johnny U is STILL everything a modern day QB should be - and he basically invented that specific role. Montana was the consummate winner.Namath belongs as in his (rather short) prime, you could argue him top 10 and certainly top 15 of all QBs ever, at their prime. But he is where he should be - unreal skills decimated by injury, saved by an impression on history that is hardly matched by anyone outside of Unitas on this list.

 
Brady should be a little higher, Manning lower. Staubach higher, Young Higher, Aik maybe a little lower.

They got #1 and #2 dead on though and there should not be much debate. Johnny U is STILL everything a modern day QB should be - and he basically invented that specific role. Montana was the consummate winner.

Namath belongs as in his (rather short) prime, you could argue him top 10 and certainly top 15 of all QBs ever, at their prime. But he is where he should be - unreal skills decimated by injury, saved by an impression on history that is hardly matched by anyone outside of Unitas on this list.
Joe Namath belongs on this list only if it the 50 Best NFL QBsOnly twice in his career did he have more TD passes than interceptions. In those two seasons, he was 18/15 and 19/17.

Only completed 50% of his passes over his career

Has a career QB rating of 65.5 and it was never over 75 for a given season.

You know what, now that I get done typing that, make that top 100 QBs

 
Brady should be a little higher, Manning lower.  Staubach higher, Young Higher, Aik maybe a little lower.

They got #1 and #2 dead on though and there should not be much debate.  Johnny U is STILL everything a modern day QB should be - and he basically invented that specific role.  Montana was the consummate winner.

Namath belongs as in his (rather short) prime, you could argue him top 10 and certainly top 15 of all QBs ever, at their prime.  But he is where he should be - unreal skills decimated by injury, saved by an impression on history that is hardly matched by anyone outside of Unitas on this list.
Joe Namath belongs on this list only if it the 50 Best NFL QBsOnly twice in his career did he have more TD passes than interceptions. In those two seasons, he was 18/15 and 19/17.

Only completed 50% of his passes over his career

Has a career QB rating of 65.5 and it was never over 75 for a given season.

You know what, now that I get done typing that, make that top 100 QBs
The only reason he is on that list, is because of SB 3, and the significance it had on Pro Football history. If the Colts had blown out the Jets, and they were favored to do so, the league merger may never have happened. The AFL needed the merger more than the NFL needed the AFL. Yes, the merger would have happened anyway if the AFL didn't go bankrupt, but like I said, the merger would not have happened right away if the Jets didn't beat the Colts.
 
Brady should be a little higher, Manning lower.   Staubach higher, Young Higher, Aik maybe a little lower.

They got #1 and #2 dead on though and there should not be much debate.  Johnny U is STILL everything a modern day QB should be - and he basically invented that specific role.   Montana was the consummate winner.

Namath belongs as in his (rather short) prime, you could argue him top 10 and certainly top 15 of all QBs ever, at their prime.  But he is where he should be - unreal skills decimated by injury, saved by an impression on history that is hardly matched by anyone outside of Unitas on this list.
Joe Namath belongs on this list only if it the 50 Best NFL QBsOnly twice in his career did he have more TD passes than interceptions. In those two seasons, he was 18/15 and 19/17.

Only completed 50% of his passes over his career

Has a career QB rating of 65.5 and it was never over 75 for a given season.

You know what, now that I get done typing that, make that top 100 QBs
The only reason he is on that list, is because of SB 3, and the significance it had on Pro Football history. If the Colts had blown out the Jets, and they were favored to do so, the league merger may never have happened. The AFL needed the merger more than the NFL needed the AFL. Yes, the merger would have happened anyway if the AFL didn't go bankrupt, but like I said, the merger would not have happened right away if the Jets didn't beat the Colts.
Had J U been brought in after half, who knows how much NFL history would have changed or been altered. Still amazing to think about. Jets were like a 19 point underdog that day.
 
Elminate Aikman from the list? Uhhh ok.
Solid argument.I would like to see Moon on this list. He'd be the all-time leader in passing yards had he not played in the CFL.
Is there a need for an argument?I bet Moon was close to making the list.

Moon and Stabler. Maybe Len Dawson? Not sure of his number were good enough.

 
Brady should be a little higher, Manning lower.   Staubach higher, Young Higher, Aik maybe a little lower.

They got #1 and #2 dead on though and there should not be much debate.  Johnny U is STILL everything a modern day QB should be - and he basically invented that specific role.   Montana was the consummate winner.

Namath belongs as in his (rather short) prime, you could argue him top 10 and certainly top 15 of all QBs ever, at their prime.  But he is where he should be - unreal skills decimated by injury, saved by an impression on history that is hardly matched by anyone outside of Unitas on this list.
Joe Namath belongs on this list only if it the 50 Best NFL QBsOnly twice in his career did he have more TD passes than interceptions. In those two seasons, he was 18/15 and 19/17.

Only completed 50% of his passes over his career

Has a career QB rating of 65.5 and it was never over 75 for a given season.

You know what, now that I get done typing that, make that top 100 QBs
The only reason he is on that list, is because of SB 3, and the significance it had on Pro Football history. If the Colts had blown out the Jets, and they were favored to do so, the league merger may never have happened. The AFL needed the merger more than the NFL needed the AFL. Yes, the merger would have happened anyway if the AFL didn't go bankrupt, but like I said, the merger would not have happened right away if the Jets didn't beat the Colts.
Just about everything I have read paints Namath as one of the most skilled ever, and in his (short) prime, one of the true best all time QBs. That is what I am going on, not the stats. Stats are tough to go by in football much of the time.I can certainly see why some would not agree, however.

 
Once Vick's career is over it will be interesting to see the differences in opinion on where he ranks.By the way, I really like this list. My favorite ranking is Marino at #6. I like Aikman's ranking as well.

 
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Brady should be a little higher, Manning lower.   Staubach higher, Young Higher, Aik maybe a little lower.

They got #1 and #2 dead on though and there should not be much debate.  Johnny U is STILL everything a modern day QB should be - and he basically invented that specific role.   Montana was the consummate winner.

Namath belongs as in his (rather short) prime, you could argue him top 10 and certainly top 15 of all QBs ever, at their prime.  But he is where he should be - unreal skills decimated by injury, saved by an impression on history that is hardly matched by anyone outside of Unitas on this list.
Joe Namath belongs on this list only if it the 50 Best NFL QBsOnly twice in his career did he have more TD passes than interceptions. In those two seasons, he was 18/15 and 19/17.

Only completed 50% of his passes over his career

Has a career QB rating of 65.5 and it was never over 75 for a given season.

You know what, now that I get done typing that, make that top 100 QBs
The only reason he is on that list, is because of SB 3, and the significance it had on Pro Football history. If the Colts had blown out the Jets, and they were favored to do so, the league merger may never have happened. The AFL needed the merger more than the NFL needed the AFL. Yes, the merger would have happened anyway if the AFL didn't go bankrupt, but like I said, the merger would not have happened right away if the Jets didn't beat the Colts.
Just about everything I have read paints Namath as one of the most skilled ever, and in his (short) prime, one of the true best all time QBs. That is what I am going on, not the stats. Stats are tough to go by in football much of the time.I can certainly see why some would not agree, however.
I will say that Namath threw one of the prettiest passes I've ever seen, and it looked like he threw totally with his arm and didn't really put his body into it. Gayle Sayers is in the HOF and should be, and he didn't have the career numbers, but was the most electrifying runner ever. Having said all that, because of Namath's passer rating and career completion percentage, that makes me believe he doesn't belong in the top 25.
 
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Once Vick's career is over it will be interesting to see the differences in opinion on where he ranks.

By the way, I really like this list. My favorite ranking is Marino at #6. I like Aikman's ranking as well.
When Vick's career is over, he will rank somewhere close to Bobby Dougless and Greg Landry.
 
Once Vick's career is over it will be interesting to see the differences in opinion on where he ranks.

By the way, I really like this list. My favorite ranking is Marino at #6. I like Aikman's ranking as well.
When Vick's career is over, he will rank somewhere close to Bobby Dougless and Greg Landry.
:goodposting: Vick is one of the most overrated QBs in history. Sure, he brings a different dimension to the offense and has a cannon arm, but he is a very average QB.

 
Just about everything I have read paints Namath as one of the most skilled ever, and in his (short) prime, one of the true best all time QBs. That is what I am going on, not the stats. Stats are tough to go by in football much of the time.
Namath was the "best athlete I have ever seen". - Bear Bryant.Before he blew out BOTH knees in college, Namath was Steve Young 20 years before Steve Young...a guy who could beat you with his arm or legs...only with a better arm.

His career was severly slowed by injury, but great to still see him considered one of the best ever.

 
Once Vick's career is over it will be interesting to see the differences in opinion on where he ranks.

By the way, I really like this list.  My favorite ranking is Marino at #6.  I like Aikman's ranking as well.
When Vick's career is over, he will rank somewhere close to Bobby Dougless and Greg Landry.
:goodposting: Vick is one of the most overrated QBs in history. Sure, he brings a different dimension to the offense and has a cannon arm, but he is a very average QB.
Taking his team to the AFC championship in his fourth year was somewhat impressive.
 
Once Vick's career is over it will be interesting to see the differences in opinion on where he ranks.

By the way, I really like this list. My favorite ranking is Marino at #6. I like Aikman's ranking as well.
When Vick's career is over, he will rank somewhere close to Bobby Dougless and Greg Landry.
:goodposting: Vick is one of the most overrated QBs in history. Sure, he brings a different dimension to the offense and has a cannon arm, but he is a very average QB.
Taking his team to the AFC championship in his fourth year was somewhat impressive.
Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien and Doug Williams all won a Super Bowl. That doesn't make them great QBs.
 
It's published by The Sporting News and here's the list:

1. Johnny Unitas

2. Joe Montana

3. Otto Graham

4. John Elway

5. Sammy Baugh

6. Dan Marino

7. Brett Favre

8. Terry Bradshaw

9. Roger Staubach

10. Bart Starr

11. Fran Tarkenton

12. Troy Aikman

13. Steve Young

14. Sid Luckman

15. Peyton Manning

16. Dan Fouts

17. Bobby Layne

18. Norm Van Brocklin

19. Tom Brady

20. Sonny Jurgensen

21. Jim Kelly

22. Y.A. Tittle

23. Len Dawson

24. Bob Griese

25. Joe Namath
Good to see the "cradle of QBs", Pittsburgh/Western PA, well represented.
 
Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien and Doug Williams all won a Super Bowl. That doesn't make them great QBs.
Vick has a lot more history to write.
Possibly. In 2001 people were saying the same thing about Kordell Stewart. That didn't end so well.
 
Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien and Doug Williams all won a Super Bowl.  That doesn't make them great QBs.
Vick has a lot more history to write.
Possibly. In 2001 people were saying the same thing about Kordell Stewart. That didn't end so well.
I think most saw Kordell for what he was....a novelty.Vick will bring more to the table. Will he be a top 25? I doubt it, but the Stewart comparison is not a good one.

 
Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien and Doug Williams all won a Super Bowl. That doesn't make them great QBs.
Vick has a lot more history to write.
Possibly. In 2001 people were saying the same thing about Kordell Stewart. That didn't end so well.
I think most saw Kordell for what he was....a novelty.Vick will bring more to the table. Will he be a top 25? I doubt it, but the Stewart comparison is not a good one.
In 2001 Stewart led the Steelers to the AFC Championship Game, and finished 3rd in the NFL MVP voting. He was thought of a little more than a novelty at that time.
 
Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien and Doug Williams all won a Super Bowl.  That doesn't make them great QBs.
Vick has a lot more history to write.
Possibly. In 2001 people were saying the same thing about Kordell Stewart. That didn't end so well.
I think most saw Kordell for what he was....a novelty.Vick will bring more to the table. Will he be a top 25? I doubt it, but the Stewart comparison is not a good one.
In 2001 Stewart led the Steelers to the AFC Championship Game, and finished 3rd in the NFL MVP voting. He was thought of a little more than a novelty at that time.
And do you recall how he gave that game away? Do you recall the next season? Sorry, but I disagree. I think most see Vick in a different light. I mean seriously. Were you surprised when K S fell off the face of the earth? Can you see that happening to Vick?

 
Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien and Doug Williams all won a Super Bowl. That doesn't make them great QBs.
Vick has a lot more history to write.
Possibly. In 2001 people were saying the same thing about Kordell Stewart. That didn't end so well.
I think most saw Kordell for what he was....a novelty.Vick will bring more to the table. Will he be a top 25? I doubt it, but the Stewart comparison is not a good one.
In 2001 Stewart led the Steelers to the AFC Championship Game, and finished 3rd in the NFL MVP voting. He was thought of a little more than a novelty at that time.
And do you recall how he gave that game away? Do you recall the next season? Sorry, but I disagree. I think most see Vick in a different light. I mean seriously. Were you surprised when K S fell off the face of the earth? Can you see that happening to Vick?
Yes. Yes.Yes. And yes.

And if you say that you knew Stewart would be a bust after the 2001 season, I would question your honesty.

 
Another neat Namath stat: He's the first person to throw for 4,000 yards in a season.

He was injured a ton and didn't contribute a ton of "value" in that sense; but he'd rank very high up on the list of QBs you'd want to have to win one game. One of the only QBs with the arm to throw 25 yard outs. He also had that amazing game against the Colts -- not that one, but the 15/28, 496 yards, 6 TD game against the Colts. His career accomplishments, however, putting aside the off the field ramifications of Super Bowl III, rank well below many other QBs.

 
Were you surprised when K S fell off the face of the earth? Can you see that happening to Vick?
Absolutely. If he doesn't learn how to master the aspect of passing I think he could very well end up being another novelty -- especially if he suffers another serious injury or two doing the only thing on a football field that he excels at. The bottom line is four years ago Kordell Stewart was considered in some quarters to be revolutionizing the QB position. As pointed out above, he led his team to a conference title game and was a top MVP candidate.Sound familiar?

Stewart's career flamed out because he never mastered the art of the position. So far, we've yet to see Vick master the art of playing the position. The guy is an amazing athlete and one of the most exciting players in the game. But so was Kordell for a time and to this juncture there's nothing Vick has done that Stewart didn't do. The comparison is a sound one at this stage. We'll see if Vick can mature in terms of playing the position in ways Stewart could not.

Back to the list, it's hard to argue with the QBs ranked above him, but Favre could easily be considered a Top 5 pick. It's very nice to see Starr get some strong recognition since he always seems to be ignored when the discussion of great QBs comes up and his achievements are extremely impressive. I agree Namath doesn't belong on the list and I think both Fouts and Kelly should be ranked higher -- I'd give strong consideration to flip-flopping Kelly and Tarkenton.

 
What about Joe Theismann??
Wearing that helmet with the single bar automatically removes him from consideration. He ranks right up there with the kickers and their single bar helmets.
 
If Tom Brady suffers a career ending injury this weekend, does he get in the Hall of Fame?If Tom Brady has a few 9-7 type seasons, maybe with a playoff game here and there, but nothing else, from here on out, does he get in the Hall of Fame?

 
If Tom Brady suffers a career ending injury this weekend, does he get in the Hall of Fame?

If Tom Brady has a few 9-7 type seasons, maybe with a playoff game here and there, but nothing else, from here on out, does he get in the Hall of Fame?
Good question.I think there would be too much of an outcry to not put a QB with 3 rings into the HOF.

 
I think one has to move Favre down, not sure he should be next to Marino (said the Packer fan).Seems a little early to put Brady up there so high...and NOT above Kelly. Again, hard but important to seperate QB talent/performance and team success. Probably think Aikman is too high.

 
No way should Moon be in the top 25. He put up average numbers once he wasn't in the run and shoot. As for the argument that he would have better numbers if not for the CFL, coulda, woulda, shoulda. The fact is he DID play in the CFL. Players are judged on what they did do, not on what they might have done.

 
What about Joe Theismann??
Wearing that helmet with the single bar automatically removes him from consideration. He ranks right up there with the kickers and their single bar helmets.
No, seriously. He was a great quarterback. I think you'd have to put him ahead of a few guys on that list. No doubt he'd be in the lower half, but I think he should be on there.
 
It's a good list but I have to dissent a little on Bradshaw. He was surrounded by the most talented team in the history of football. Yes he was gutsy and competitive but he was not a tremendously accurate passer and I think he was a product of being in the right place at the right time. No I'm not saying he was a bum but we're talking about whether he was among the very best ever.

212 career passing TDs and 210 interceptions

51.9 % career passing completion percentage

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BradTe00.htm

Pro Football Reference never had him ranked as the number one or two QB in football in any season nor one of the top ten players in any season (I do not know what critera they use.) Even though he played on the most well known team of the era and was on TV almost every Sunday, he was selected the Pro Bowl "only" 3 times.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/PlunJi00.htm

Jim Plunkett, for example, was drafted by the Patriots when they were the worst team in football. He put up roughly similar numbers and when he later moved to the Raiders, won two Super Bowls. Put him on the 70s Steelers instead of the 70s Patriots, and Bradshaw on the Patriots instead of the Steelers, and do you really think Bradshaw would be on the list?

 
If Tom Brady suffers a career ending injury this weekend, does he get in the Hall of Fame?

If Tom Brady has a few 9-7 type seasons, maybe with a playoff game here and there, but nothing else, from here on out, does he get in the Hall of Fame?
Good question.I think there would be too much of an outcry to not put a QB with 3 rings into the HOF.
What has Favre done the last 8 seasons? And how many rings does he have?Now, NE's D taken into account, name me all the great offensive weapons Brady leaned on during his years... the best would be troy brown, A. Smith and then Dillon and last years D. Branch as well. Not exactly superstars. I think he is at a good place on this list.

He is the best player on an offense that has won 3 of 4 superbowls. And they did not win them 9-3, either.

 
It's a good list but I have to dissent a little on Bradshaw. He was surrounded by the most talented team in the history of football. Yes he was gutsy and competitive but he was not a tremendously accurate passer and I think he was a product of being in the right place at the right time. No I'm not saying he was a bum but we're talking about whether he was among the very best ever.

212 career passing TDs and 210 interceptions

51.9 % career passing completion percentage

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BradTe00.htm

Pro Football Reference never had him ranked as the number one or two QB in football in any season nor one of the top ten players in any season (I do not know what critera they use.) Even though he played on the most well known team of the era and was on TV almost every Sunday, he was selected the Pro Bowl "only" 3 times.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/PlunJi00.htm

Jim Plunkett, for example, was drafted by the Patriots when they were the worst team in football. He put up roughly similar numbers and when he later moved to the Raiders, won two Super Bowls. Put him on the 70s Steelers instead of the 70s Patriots, and Bradshaw on the Patriots instead of the Steelers, and do you really think Bradshaw would be on the list?
:goodposting:
 
Michael Vick? Atlanta Falcons' Michael Vick or is there some other guy with the same name that I don't know about? I have a better chance at making this list someday than he does. Give me a break. Of all the QB's playing this Sunday, and he comes to mind? McNabb is far and away a better QB and I wouldn't even suggest that he could be on this list someday. Aikman should not be ranked higher than Young, IMO.

 
Aikman would get more respect had he played in an offense that didn't run #22 behind guys like Allen and Williams all day. The fact is it would have been foolish to not lineup and let Emmett run through the gaping holes behind the great O Line they had for years. Unlike Bradshaw, Aikman was deadly accurate. Curious to what Aikman's completion % was. Hard to move a QB with his leadership skills with 3 rings down on the list regardless.

 
Aikman would get more respect had he played in an offense that didn't run #22 behind guys like Allen and Williams all day. The fact is it would have been foolish to not lineup and let Emmett run through the gaping holes behind the great O Line they had for years. Unlike Bradshaw, Aikman was deadly accurate. Curious to what Aikman's completion % was. Hard to move a QB with his leadership skills with 3 rings down on the list regardless.
The deal with Aikman is that he played very well when the team was great but didn't do squat when he wasn't surounded by the same level of talent. I saw a stat that during his last couple years, his W/L % was the same as backup Jason Garrett. Contract this to guys like Elway, Favre and Brady who performed at a high level with or without a strong supporting cast.
 

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