Henry Ford
Footballguy
You may be a little wound up about this.
Edit: For the record, 19 years for a loaf of bread was a raw deal. I understand your frustration.
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New York Republican lawmaker wants to ban welfare recipients from buying steak and lobster (1 Viewer)
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Edit: For the record, 19 years for a loaf of bread was a raw deal. I understand your frustration.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Valjean
Footballguy
I love you guys on the left. I really do. Spin Spin Spin. Carry on you have now done it. I am bored with this conversation. You must be right. Keep throwing money at any social problem and never come up with a solution that fixes the problem. BRAVO. Oh I am sorry it does solve one problem. It allows the same clowns (LEFT AND RIGHT) to buy votes from the people who depend on the government money.
I have a question for all the people who lean left. If people and officers of corporations who receive taxpayer funds either welfare or corporate welfare were not permitted to vote would a Democrat ever have a chance to be elected?
I am just asking to see what your thoughts are.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
This seems slightly out of touch with the issues that have been discussed in this thread, and more similar to what I'd refer to as a "loony rant" if anyone said it in real life.
And as for people and employees of corporations who have received taxpayer funds not being able to vote - I'd imagine there wouldn't be many votes cast at all in any election if that were the rule. Republican or Democrat.
Chaka
Footballguy
I love people who think spin is a one sided thing.
And I love people who instantly assume where someone lies on the political spectrum because of their stance on one issue.
Those guys are hilarious.
Valjean
Footballguy
Please don't think for a second that I want those people to not vote. My question was to point out that either side of the political spectrum just throws money at problems just to keep or obtain their jobs. Which goes back to my original post about teaching to fish. Adult education to help people get jobs would solve more problems than just giving away money.
I have no problem of the Government paying people with housing, childcare and medical benefits while they attend a school that teaches them how to produce or to learn a trade. The Democrat an Republican forms of welfare have not worked and never will. I have seen it first hand. I have worked in the worst area of NYC and once asked a little boy what he wants to be when he grows up and he said "I wanna be on welfare just like my mom." That day change my life. it also broke my heart because that kid has no chance to get out of the hell hole he was living in. NYC is the great liberal society and yet they allowed this to happen. Perhaps that is not a good reason for me to be considered LOONY. However, I am glad to be considered a nut job hoping to solve the real issue here.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
It's not just employment education that's needed - it's education in general. In fact, if you read over my posting history in this thread, one of the things I strongly support for families that are food insecure is education about nutrition and food preparation.
As you've helped to point out, however, the cold reality is that there will not be 100% employment in this country (for instance - what happened to all the workers at the factories closed down in your wife's business?) and frankly even if there were the amount of money made at the bottom of the fiscal totem pole in this country doesn't afford a standard of living above the poverty line.
There are jobs in this country that a person can do 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, and not be able to afford to be food-secure. That's simply a fact. "Welfare" benefits are many times only facially welfare for the poor - they are substantially welfare for the companies those poor people work for, or for the armed forces (many active duty armed forces members' families are on assistance) so that those entities don't have to pay a living wage. You want to end assistance? I'm willing. When everyone makes a living wage if they work full time, when employment is at 100% or can be, and when there are concessions made for those who cannot work for one reason or another.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Your anecdotal evidence of a little boy who said he wants to be on welfare just like his mom notwithstanding, the fact is that SNAP is one of the biggest success stories with public aid in this country that exists. Data overwhelmingly suggests that SNAP benefits do not create disincentives to work, and the majority of people who are not children, elderly, or disabled who receive SNAP benefits are in the workforce.
http://www.cbpp.org/research/the-relationship-between-snap-and-work-among-low-income-households?fa=view&id=3894
http://www.cbpp.org/research/the-relationship-between-snap-and-work-among-low-income-households?fa=view&id=3894
Valjean
Footballguy
Perhaps we could start by forcing politicians to observe the same rules as other Federal Employees. Like the $20 gift rule. You want to contribute to a politician. OK $20. Since the FCC controls the Over the air TV Frequencies, give each serious candidate running for office an equal amount of air time for free. Term Limits are a must. Reduce the number of members in congress by 1/2. Eliminate the electoral congress. I remember during the Bush, Gore lawsuits there was a lot of talk about disenfranchised voters. If you are a Republican living in NY or a Democrat living in Utah your vote is meaningless and you are disenfranchised. Once we get people in office that care more about their constituents and less about getting elected we can solve real problems. Mr. Smith needs to be able to go to Washington and thrive there.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/receipt.asp
Definitely the only time that this has ever happened right?
Definitely the only time that this has ever happened right?
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/20/jason-greenslate-food-stamp_n_3960737.html
OK. It has only happened twice. That is it. All of the other lobsters that get sold in the poor neighborhoods are only being purchased by non SNAP shoppers. The SNAP shoppers all use Henry Ford's shrimp broker to get the good deal.
OK. It has only happened twice. That is it. All of the other lobsters that get sold in the poor neighborhoods are only being purchased by non SNAP shoppers. The SNAP shoppers all use Henry Ford's shrimp broker to get the good deal.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
It's not a particularly good deal. It's just what they cost here where seafood is plentiful.
NFL-ons
Footballguy
Okay, so I feel the need to post today's ridiculous public assistance abuse story and this seems like the best thread to put it in.
I rent a two car garage to this 25, something, year old kid. The garage is behind my property and there are a couple parking spaces there. He sleeps all day and works at night doing odds and ends repair jobs for extra spending money. Sometimes he has a couple friends over and they have a few beers but they're never unruly. One of his friends is this bi-sexual stripper chick, Tiffany. She's latin and thick, not fat, thick and VERY well proportioned but her face is like a 4.
A friend of mine passed away last week, so I was not going to b around on the first. When I called the kid to let him know, he says "No way, Tiffany's mom died that same night." Well, I stop by today to get the rent and Tiffany is there. Today she's wearing gray yoga pants and a low cut white T-shirt, man she looks so good from behind! (Yah, I wanted to get a pic, but I don't want to appear to b the creeper that I am) Obviously whenever she's around I make an effort to touch base with her. She always asks me landlord questions and we have a good rapport. After I get my cashola, I go over to her to offer my condolences. I tell her how sorry I am and she says..........
"Yeah it was kind of surprising but it's okay because SECTION 8 IS GIVING ME HER VOUCHER."
Right now there is a 10 year wait list to be considered for the housing assistance program. Apparently there is an 'inheritance' rule of some type and this broad who's shaking her assets for $200+/night will now get to live for free on the tax payer dime for the rest of her life!
Unbelievable
I rent a two car garage to this 25, something, year old kid. The garage is behind my property and there are a couple parking spaces there. He sleeps all day and works at night doing odds and ends repair jobs for extra spending money. Sometimes he has a couple friends over and they have a few beers but they're never unruly. One of his friends is this bi-sexual stripper chick, Tiffany. She's latin and thick, not fat, thick and VERY well proportioned but her face is like a 4.
A friend of mine passed away last week, so I was not going to b around on the first. When I called the kid to let him know, he says "No way, Tiffany's mom died that same night." Well, I stop by today to get the rent and Tiffany is there. Today she's wearing gray yoga pants and a low cut white T-shirt, man she looks so good from behind! (Yah, I wanted to get a pic, but I don't want to appear to b the creeper that I am) Obviously whenever she's around I make an effort to touch base with her. She always asks me landlord questions and we have a good rapport. After I get my cashola, I go over to her to offer my condolences. I tell her how sorry I am and she says..........
"Yeah it was kind of surprising but it's okay because SECTION 8 IS GIVING ME HER VOUCHER."
Right now there is a 10 year wait list to be considered for the housing assistance program. Apparently there is an 'inheritance' rule of some type and this broad who's shaking her assets for $200+/night will now get to live for free on the tax payer dime for the rest of her life!
Unbelievable
cstu
Footballguy
I'm liberal on a lot of things but Section 8 is my most hated welfare program.
Isn't the Section 8 inheritance rule only for surviving minors?
ETA: looks like it depends on the state. This is from Hawaii:
The worst part about Section 8 abuse is that is taking away from families that really need it.
Isn't the Section 8 inheritance rule only for surviving minors?
ETA: looks like it depends on the state. This is from Hawaii:
http://khon2.com/2014/01/27/effort-to-tighten-up-section-8-program/
The worst part about Section 8 abuse is that is taking away from families that really need it.
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cstu
Footballguy
Someone making $20,000 per year can rent an apartment for $1,667 a month with their share at $500 (30% of their income). They are effectively making as much as their neighbor making $34,000 a year (more than that if you factor in the taxes not paid on the subsidy). There is no incentive for them to make more money because they will lose the Section 8.
Which I think is relevant to your earlier question:
Perhaps not. In this case, the EBT card would have likely been a lot less attractive to the buyer if he could have bought only rice and beans with it rather than steak and lobster. The guy selling the EBT card wasn't going to buy steak and lobster anyway because he probably couldn't afford it. If EBT cards only worked for what people on assistance can generally afford to buy, it might cut down on the sale of EBT cards. (Not saying that this would be a better policy overall, just that it might decrease this kind of fraud rather than increasing it.)