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evilempire
Footballguy
Dallas 11-5Philadelphia 10-6 (if McNabb stays healthy)Giants 8-8Washington 5-11There are questions regarding Wade Phillips and how he'll handle things, but the defense will be better and less predictable under his watchful eye, and a full season for Tony Romo will be enough to the Cowboys to the division title. The Eagles didn't do much in the offseason to get better and seem to be getting a little old on defense, but a healthy McNabb puts them right there. The Giants seem fragile mentally to me -- I'm not sure Eli has what it takes to be a leader, and despite all the harmony emanating from East Rutheford right now, I still think a lot of guys have tuned Coughlin out. The Skins are still the Skins, though they got a bit better on defense. They'll need it as there are precious few playmakers on offense, and their best weapon (Portis) is nicked up and might see his workload decrease.
redman
Footballguy
The only prediction about the standings at the end of the season that I feel in any way confident about is that the Giants will be in last place. I think this is Coughlin's last year as their coach, and I think they're going to find out in a very painful way just how valuable Tiki was to them. He was the closest thing to a leader that that team had, and they have no one to replace him.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Eagles average defensive starter age is about 27.As for not doing much to get better, they already had one of the top offenses in the league last year (#1 till McNabb went down) They replaced Stallworth with Curtis (arguably better, at least not worse) and added Tony Hunt to help in short yardage situations. They added TKO to the LB corps. They helped out their Dline by adding Montae Reagor and Ian Scott. Kearse is also back from injury. Considine now has some experience starting as well.
Eagles 11-5
Dallas 10-6
Washington 8-8
NY Giants 7-9
I still have very mixed feelings on the skins and giants though.
I'm surprised the Eagles have been picked to finish no worse than 2nd so far in this thread. They're generally picked for 3rd or last the last few years. Last year they were being picked for last and the Skins were being picked for first. I remember some PFW writer even had them going to the superbowl.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Washington 10-6
Philly 10-6
Crackwagon 8-8
Giants 5-11
Philly 10-6
Crackwagon 8-8
Giants 5-11
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Philly 10-6
Washington 9-7
Dallas 8-8
NY Giants 4-12
Washington 9-7
Dallas 8-8
NY Giants 4-12
brednbuddah
Footballguy
I agree with this one. Giants are in for a rough season. They'll be lucky if they win 6 games.
Routilla
Footballguy
Birds 13-3
Girls 9-6
Skins 9-6
G-men 5-11
Girls 9-6
Skins 9-6
G-men 5-11
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Interesting thoughts here.
I don't follow how anyone is expecting the Giants to do well this year. Tiki was a HUGE contributor to them, and their LBs haven't really improved much if at all.
I expect them to struggle all year and be lucky to get 6 wins - 7 at the most. I expect 6-10.
Philly and Dallas will be fighting through December for the division, just like last year. It depends on health and how the schedule unfolds, but I think Philly should get 11 wins and Dallas 9 or 10. Romo has a big downside that not many are wanting to discuss - he remains unproven as of yet. Granted he has great targets and a good scheme, but he hasn't done a 16 game season as a starter yet. Can he do it? Maybe. But Philly has the best QB in the division by a good margin.
I like the Dallas D more than any changes they've made on offense. Ware will be a force and Roy W in the box with Hamlin playing center field is more of what they need - but Hamlin will be tested often.
Washington is a big wildcard - which may be the last time you hear those two words together this year. I think they are the #3 team and have enough questions on both sides of the ball to be that generic middle-of-the-road, 8-8 team.
My opinion:
Philly 11-5
Dallas 10-6
Wash 8-8
NYG 6-10
Philly and Dallas in the postseason.
I don't follow how anyone is expecting the Giants to do well this year. Tiki was a HUGE contributor to them, and their LBs haven't really improved much if at all.
I expect them to struggle all year and be lucky to get 6 wins - 7 at the most. I expect 6-10.
Philly and Dallas will be fighting through December for the division, just like last year. It depends on health and how the schedule unfolds, but I think Philly should get 11 wins and Dallas 9 or 10. Romo has a big downside that not many are wanting to discuss - he remains unproven as of yet. Granted he has great targets and a good scheme, but he hasn't done a 16 game season as a starter yet. Can he do it? Maybe. But Philly has the best QB in the division by a good margin.
I like the Dallas D more than any changes they've made on offense. Ware will be a force and Roy W in the box with Hamlin playing center field is more of what they need - but Hamlin will be tested often.
Washington is a big wildcard - which may be the last time you hear those two words together this year. I think they are the #3 team and have enough questions on both sides of the ball to be that generic middle-of-the-road, 8-8 team.
My opinion:
Philly 11-5
Dallas 10-6
Wash 8-8
NYG 6-10
Philly and Dallas in the postseason.
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Eagles 11-5 Philly's o-line is looking pretty darn good, but this record is with the caveat that McNabb and Westbrook don't miss serious amounts of time.
Cowboys 10-6 Not sold on their offensive line, but the defense should be pretty tough.
Redskins 7-9 Getting better, but a long way to go. They found a way to rush the passer yet?
Giants 6-10 Eli won't have much fun behind that offensive line. And I can't see Coughlin rallying this team when things go badly.
Cowboys 10-6 Not sold on their offensive line, but the defense should be pretty tough.
Redskins 7-9 Getting better, but a long way to go. They found a way to rush the passer yet?
Giants 6-10 Eli won't have much fun behind that offensive line. And I can't see Coughlin rallying this team when things go badly.
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RC94
Footballguy
Damn you. The truth hurts, though. I have a bad feeling that you are right but obviously I really hope you are wrong. I also have no confidence in the front office, so I am very concerned about the long term direction of the team, not just for this year.
ebcpastor2004
Footballguy
Pulled out the schedule & made my best (un)educated guess.
Eagles 11-5 (Losses: @ Jets; BEARS; @ Patriots; @ Cowboys; @ Saints)
Cowboys 10-6 (Losses: @ Chicago; NEW ENGLAND; @ Philadelphia; @ NY Giants; NY JETS; @ Washington)
Giants 8-8 (Losses: at Dallas ; at Washington; PHILADELPHIA; NEW YORK JETS; at Miami (London); at Chicago; at Philadelphia; NEW ENGLAND)
Redskins 7-9 (Losses: Dolphins; @ Eagles; Cardinals; @ Patriots; @ Jets; Eagles; @ Cowboys ; Bears; @ Giants)
Eagles 11-5 (Losses: @ Jets; BEARS; @ Patriots; @ Cowboys; @ Saints)
Cowboys 10-6 (Losses: @ Chicago; NEW ENGLAND; @ Philadelphia; @ NY Giants; NY JETS; @ Washington)
Giants 8-8 (Losses: at Dallas ; at Washington; PHILADELPHIA; NEW YORK JETS; at Miami (London); at Chicago; at Philadelphia; NEW ENGLAND)
Redskins 7-9 (Losses: Dolphins; @ Eagles; Cardinals; @ Patriots; @ Jets; Eagles; @ Cowboys ; Bears; @ Giants)
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Giants at Buffalo is a win?Pulled out the schedule & made my best (un)educated guess.
Eagles 11-5 (Losses: @ Jets; BEARS; @ Patriots; @ Cowboys; @ Saints)
Cowboys 10-6 (Losses: @ Chicago; NEW ENGLAND; @ Philadelphia; @ NY Giants; NY JETS; @ Washington)
Giants 8-8 (Losses: at Dallas ; at Washington; PHILADELPHIA; NEW YORK JETS; at Miami (London); at Chicago; at Philadelphia; NEW ENGLAND)
Redskins 7-9 (Losses: Dolphins; @ Eagles; Cardinals; @ Patriots; @ Jets; Eagles; @ Cowboys ; Bears; @ Giants)
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Cowboys 11-5
Eagles 11-5
Redskins 8-8
Giants 5-11
Eagles 11-5
Redskins 8-8
Giants 5-11
Agree with a lot of people about the Giants being in for a rouch season. The redskins are going to be a rollar coaster ride all year. The Cowboys and Eagles will fight it out for the Division.
1) Eagles: 10-6
2) Cowboys: 9-7
3) Redskins: 7-9
4) Giants: 3-13
Cowboys will tie for the final wildcard. I won't guess as to wether they would win that tie-breaker scenario.
1) Eagles: 10-6
2) Cowboys: 9-7
3) Redskins: 7-9
4) Giants: 3-13
Cowboys will tie for the final wildcard. I won't guess as to wether they would win that tie-breaker scenario.
Mapmaker
Footballguy
I think your right on the money with this Jeff !Jeff Pasquino said:Interesting thoughts here.I don't follow how anyone is expecting the Giants to do well this year. Tiki was a HUGE contributor to them, and their LBs haven't really improved much if at all.I expect them to struggle all year and be lucky to get 6 wins - 7 at the most. I expect 6-10.My opinionhilly 11-5Dallas 10-6Wash 8-8NYG 6-10Philly and Dallas in the postseason.
dparker713
Footballguy
I dont understand how there is a consensus, these teams are all fairly evenly matched and all have significant holes.
Giants 10-6
Eagles 10-6
Skins 8-8
Cowboys 6-10 (TO doesnt dress the last 3 games)
Oh, and having Kiwi move to LB is a pretty significant upgrade to the Giants' LB corp.
Giants 10-6
Eagles 10-6
Skins 8-8
Cowboys 6-10 (TO doesnt dress the last 3 games)
Oh, and having Kiwi move to LB is a pretty significant upgrade to the Giants' LB corp.
ebcpastor2004
Footballguy
Hey- I said it was an "UNeducated guess."Jeff Pasquino said:Giants at Buffalo is a win?ebcpastor2004 said:Pulled out the schedule & made my best (un)educated guess.
Eagles 11-5 (Losses: @ Jets; BEARS; @ Patriots; @ Cowboys; @ Saints)
Cowboys 10-6 (Losses: @ Chicago; NEW ENGLAND; @ Philadelphia; @ NY Giants; NY JETS; @ Washington)
Giants 8-8 (Losses: at Dallas ; at Washington; PHILADELPHIA; NEW YORK JETS; at Miami (London); at Chicago; at Philadelphia; NEW ENGLAND)
Redskins 7-9 (Losses: Dolphins; @ Eagles; Cardinals; @ Patriots; @ Jets; Eagles; @ Cowboys ; Bears; @ Giants)
DynOmite
Footballguy
As a Giants fan, I do feel like this year will be a loss. Everyone hates Coughlin, Tiki's gone, Strahan's old and Eli will always suck. But it just seems that going back to the Fassel days, this team always surprises when the consensus is they will be junk and flop when expectations are high. So who knows.
Yeah, wasn't really thinking there, huh? Let me update.....Eagles 13-3...... #2 seed in the conference.
Girls 9-7..... likely wild card, but barely. NFC wild card teams will remain mediocre.
Skins 9-7..... losing two to the girls will hurt.
G-men 5-11..... no team leadership & no team chemistry will be their downfall. Coughlin won't make it through the season and the front office is clueless as to how to right the ship. It wouldn't surprise me to see Manning traded after the season, as he is another likely scapegoat.
Thanks for the heads ups fatness!
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I think the Cowboys could win the division this year; really depends on how the new coaching staff jells with he current unit. I'm a big believer in Tony Romo, and while I don't think Leonard Davis is worth all that money, as a guard on that line I think it helps a lot. If Romo doesn't completely suck, and Jason Garrett is ready to call the plays, I think they'll duke it out with Philly for the division title. The other ENORMOUS X-Factor of course is McNabb's health. I know the Birds were better last year without him, but I'm not sold that A.J. Feeley or Kelly Holcomb could stop the bleeding. If McNabb stays healthy, the Birds will be tough.
To me, it's VERY much a tale of two tandems. Barring unforeseen injuries, I think the Giants and Redskins are sub-.500 teams while Dallas and Philadelphia are not. The Giants seem to be poised for an implosion of epic proportions...no left tackle, franchise QB with poor mechanics, Kevin Gilbride calling the plays, a lame duck head coach that lost all or parts of the team long ago, a mysanthropic WR and TE tandem, the loss of THE most important offensive weapon in the NFC over the last five seasons, an unproven and very different style runner taking over the helm, and a defense that has holes all over the place.
If Coughlin squeaks 8-8 out of this team, he deserves an extension and coach of the year votes.
As to the Skins? They are such an enigma. I'm squarely in the "Show Me" camp on Jason Campbell, but I think with the two proven backs and a 2nd year under Saunders, the team should play better. Defensively, they still have work to do but if Lanry gets in on time, that secondary should be good enough to make the defense a middle of the pack unit.
Dallas 11-5
Philadelphia 11-5
Washington 7-9
New York 5-11
To me, it's VERY much a tale of two tandems. Barring unforeseen injuries, I think the Giants and Redskins are sub-.500 teams while Dallas and Philadelphia are not. The Giants seem to be poised for an implosion of epic proportions...no left tackle, franchise QB with poor mechanics, Kevin Gilbride calling the plays, a lame duck head coach that lost all or parts of the team long ago, a mysanthropic WR and TE tandem, the loss of THE most important offensive weapon in the NFC over the last five seasons, an unproven and very different style runner taking over the helm, and a defense that has holes all over the place.
If Coughlin squeaks 8-8 out of this team, he deserves an extension and coach of the year votes.
As to the Skins? They are such an enigma. I'm squarely in the "Show Me" camp on Jason Campbell, but I think with the two proven backs and a 2nd year under Saunders, the team should play better. Defensively, they still have work to do but if Lanry gets in on time, that secondary should be good enough to make the defense a middle of the pack unit.
Dallas 11-5
Philadelphia 11-5
Washington 7-9
New York 5-11
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Let me say, as an addendum, if McNabb misses more than three games, I would put the Eagles at no better than 9-7, with a chance for a losing record if he were lost for most of the season.
redman
Footballguy
I'll put my homerism aside on this and say what I think "should" happen:
Philadelphia 10-6
Dallas 9-7 (possible wild card)
Washington 8-8
New York 5-11
Dallas and Philly can easily be flip-flopped; the present ranking is based upon my belief that the transition to a new coaching staff will not be 100% smooth. Also, if McNabb is healthy for 14 or more games, I could see the Eagles winning 11 games; if not, they could end up 9-7 or even worse depending upon how many he misses.
Campbell and the D-line are the key for the 'Skins. If just by being healthy that D-line performs at 2005 levels, then they're suddenly a viable candidate to win that division or at least pursue a wild card. I think Campbell performs at least competently, but if he has a sophomore slump the team is going to struggle to win more than 7 games.
As I said above, I think the Giants are headed towards an implosion. Eli is no leader and has stuggled with consistency and confidence. The two other best offensive players, Shockey and Burress, are both head cases and distractions. It may be the best thing for them long term. They're a very old team in many key areas and they need to rebuild with a new, young coach.
Philadelphia 10-6
Dallas 9-7 (possible wild card)
Washington 8-8
New York 5-11
Dallas and Philly can easily be flip-flopped; the present ranking is based upon my belief that the transition to a new coaching staff will not be 100% smooth. Also, if McNabb is healthy for 14 or more games, I could see the Eagles winning 11 games; if not, they could end up 9-7 or even worse depending upon how many he misses.
Campbell and the D-line are the key for the 'Skins. If just by being healthy that D-line performs at 2005 levels, then they're suddenly a viable candidate to win that division or at least pursue a wild card. I think Campbell performs at least competently, but if he has a sophomore slump the team is going to struggle to win more than 7 games.
As I said above, I think the Giants are headed towards an implosion. Eli is no leader and has stuggled with consistency and confidence. The two other best offensive players, Shockey and Burress, are both head cases and distractions. It may be the best thing for them long term. They're a very old team in many key areas and they need to rebuild with a new, young coach.
dparker713
Footballguy
Wow, everyone seems to think the Dallas issues wont be a big deal and the Giants are going to implode. The Cowboys have plenty of issues to overcome this year. I just think the talent level in this division is fairly close, and everyone has a shot at the division title.
jurb26
Footballguy
While I do agree that NYG is looking like a team on edge of implosion. I have to agree with you in that I don't see much separation in any of Dal, Philly or Wash. I think all 3 teams are on the brink (QB play + 1 more element) of winning the division and possibly battling for the best in the NFC.
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simmonjm
Footballguy
Exactly what issues outside of Tony Romo does Dallas have? The new coaching staff is keeping the offense the same as Tony Sparano O-coordinator from last year is still on staff. Garrett has said he is only going to tweak a couple of things. If anything he will be a bit more risk taking as opposed to the conservative minded Parcells which should help score more points; still scratching my head over the strategy employed in the playoff game last year were a majority of the plays called were runs when Seattle literally had a CB from the street. Please keep in mind that the Dallas offense ranked #5 overall in points scored and that is with Romo only playing 10 games. The Dallas defense will improve from last year. They have too. They simply have too much talent not too. Bringing in an aggresive play calling with Wade Phillips will re-energize this unit. I admit that I am a huge Dallas fan but I really dont see to many question marks outside of Romo. Thier offensive line has been upgraded. Marco Rivera was easily the weakest link on the o-line last year and even if Leonard Davis only performs mediocore he is still a HUGE upgrade over Rivera.Barring injury expect Dallas to win 11-13 games this year.dparker713 said:
Mik789fl
Footballguy
I see a lot of "if's" in this division.
IF Romo is the real deal and Wade suddenly becomes a better head coach the Cowboys win it
IF McNabb stays healthy all year and Andy keeps his kids out of the locker room the Eagles win it
IF Eli doesn't regress and finally breaks out the Giants win it in spite of Coach C
If the Cowboys,Eagles and Giants move to the AFC East then the Redskins win it
imop
IF Romo is the real deal and Wade suddenly becomes a better head coach the Cowboys win it
IF McNabb stays healthy all year and Andy keeps his kids out of the locker room the Eagles win it
IF Eli doesn't regress and finally breaks out the Giants win it in spite of Coach C
If the Cowboys,Eagles and Giants move to the AFC East then the Redskins win it
imop
simmonjm
Footballguy
I only agree with 1/4Phillips is a good head coach. If the music city miracle had not happened he would have advanced in the playoffs and probably kept his job.Andy Reid is a smart coach and I highly doubt that his sons will have any effect on the Eagles season dont forget that he has two coordinators who are able to take over for a short time seamlessly.For as much as I hate the skins being a cowboys fan they have the talent on the field and on the sidelines to turn it around quickly.
ebcpastor2004
Footballguy
Bumping this because it turns out the NFC East was the toughest division with three teams in the playoffs. (Guess AFC South would count as well, but I think the Colts kind of let the Titans slide in...)
A few of us were way off in our projections. Including me... (& I'm a huge Giants fan and love them going to the Super Bowl!!!)
Thoughts on missed projections for this year?
Any prognistications for next year?
A few of us were way off in our projections. Including me... (& I'm a huge Giants fan and love them going to the Super Bowl!!!)
Thoughts on missed projections for this year?
Any prognistications for next year?
redman
Footballguy
Oops.
RC94
Footballguy
I didn't really disagree with you at the time but things have certainly changed, especially regarding Tiki. That guy, as it turns out, wasn't even close to being a leader of any kind.
simmonjm
Footballguy
pillowpants
Footballguy
:X Whole lotta that going on here!Oops.
ebcpastor2004
Footballguy
Hey Wood-At least I got the Buffalo game right... Right? Right?Hey- I said it was an "UNeducated guess."Giants at Buffalo is a win?Pulled out the schedule & made my best (un)educated guess.
Eagles 11-5 (Losses: @ Jets; BEARS; @ Patriots; @ Cowboys; @ Saints)
Cowboys 10-6 (Losses: @ Chicago; NEW ENGLAND; @ Philadelphia; @ NY Giants; NY JETS; @ Washington)
Giants 8-8 (Losses: at Dallas ; at Washington; PHILADELPHIA; NEW YORK JETS; at Miami (London); at Chicago; at Philadelphia; NEW ENGLAND)
Redskins 7-9 (Losses: Dolphins; @ Eagles; Cardinals; @ Patriots; @ Jets; Eagles; @ Cowboys ; Bears; @ Giants)
fatness
Footballguy
I got all but 4 of them right.
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