NFC West (1 Viewer)

[Eminence]

On paper all teams could finish 8-8 or above.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Huh?

 

[Voice Of Reason]

On paper all teams could finish 8-8 or above.

how could you come to that conclusion?

 

[Eminence]

NFC West currently has more wins than any other division in football. The overall record in that division is:

14* - 6.

The best in the NFL.

 

[JHuber77]

Dont count on the Rams Cards or the Hawks getting much more wins. The defenses are more than compensating for the lack of offense. Defensively though, there might not be a better division in football. There will only be 1 team (SF) higher than .500 in that division

Upcoming sched's

Rams 3-2

MIA- toss up

GB- Loss

NE - Loss

BYE

SF - Loss

NYJ - toss up

ARI - toss up

SF - Loss

BUF- Loss

MIN - Loss

TB- Loss

SEA- Loss

Cards 4-1

D

BUF- Loss

MIN - Loss

SF - Loss

GB - Loss

BYE

ATL- Loss

STL- toss up

NYJ - toss up

SEA - toss up

DET- Loss

CHI- Loss

SF- Loss

Hawks 3-2

NE- Loss

SF- Loss

DET- Loss

MIN- Loss

NYJ- toss up

BYE

MIA- toss up

CHI- Loss

ARI- Win

BUF- Loss

SF- Loss

STL- Win

 

[5Rings]

NFC West currently has more wins than any other division in football. The overall record in that division is:16 - 6.

NFC West is terrible. Its the easy schedule and wins against patsies like the Packers, Patriots, Lions, Jets, Iggles, Redskins, Cowboys...everybody being over .500 is a fluke, everybody having a positive point differential is a fluke too.

 

[drummer]

NFC West currently has more wins than any other division in football. The overall record in that division is:16 - 6.

NFC West is terrible. Its the easy schedule and wins against patsies like the Packers, Patriots, Lions, Jets, Iggles, Redskins, Cowboys...everybody being over .500 is a fluke, everybody having a positive point differential is a fluke too.

 

[Nucker101]

Dont count on the Rams Cards or the Hawks getting much more wins. The defenses are more than compensating for the lack of offense. Defensively though, there might not be a better division in football. There will only be 1 team (SF) higher than .500 in that division

Upcoming sched's

Rams 3-2

MIA- toss up

GB- Loss

NE - Loss

BYE

SF - Loss

NYJ - toss up

ARI - toss up

SF - Loss

BUF- Loss

MIN - Loss

TB- Loss

SEA- Loss

Cards 4-1

D

BUF- Loss

MIN - Loss

SF - Loss

GB - Loss

BYE

ATL- Loss

STL- toss up

NYJ - toss up

SEA - toss up

DET- Loss

CHI- Loss

SF- Loss

Hawks 3-2

NE- Loss

SF- Loss

DET- Loss

MIN- Loss

NYJ- toss up

BYE

MIA- toss up

CHI- Loss

ARI- Win

BUF- Loss

SF- Loss

STL- Win

First of all, are you a Bills fan? Because they aren't a very good team. I think you're underestimating the matchups in bold and there's no such thing as a guaranteed loss or win in the NFL. Anything can happen. You're definitely underrating the NFC West here IMO.

 

[dirge]

NFC West currently has more wins than any other division in football. The overall record in that division is:16 - 6.

4 + 4 + 3 + 3* = 14*The division as a whole is 14-6. So, yes, terrible.

 

[JHuber77]

Dont count on the Rams Cards or the Hawks getting much more wins. The defenses are more than compensating for the lack of offense. Defensively though, there might not be a better division in football. There will only be 1 team (SF) higher than .500 in that division

Upcoming sched's

Rams 3-2

MIA- toss up

GB- Loss

NE - Loss

BYE

SF - Loss

NYJ - toss up

ARI - toss up

SF - Loss

BUF- Loss

MIN - Loss

TB- Loss

SEA- Loss

Cards 4-1

D

BUF- Loss

MIN - Loss

SF - Loss

GB - Loss

BYE

ATL- Loss

STL- toss up

NYJ - toss up

SEA - toss up

DET- Loss

CHI- Loss

SF- Loss

Hawks 3-2

NE- Loss

SF- Loss

DET- Loss

MIN- Loss

NYJ- toss up

BYE

MIA- toss up

CHI- Loss

ARI- Win

BUF- Loss

SF- Loss

STL- Win

First of all, are you a Bills fan? Because they aren't a very good team. I think you're underestimating the matchups in bold and there's no such thing as a guaranteed loss or win in the NFL. Anything can happen. You're definitely underrating the NFC West here IMO.

You cant win football games if you don't score any points. The teams you bolded (BUF, DET, MIN, CHI, TB) can score points and will get after their opponents on defense. What makes you think any of these teams other than SF can beat anyone other than on defense?Arizona 31st in total offense

Seattle 27th in total offense

St. Louis 29th in total offense

All 3 under 300 yards per game total

 

[Assani Fisher]

not counting games against other division members, the NFC West is 11-3 with an average point differential of +8.2 per game.

 

[Abrantes]

Dont count on the Rams Cards or the Hawks getting much more wins. The defenses are more than compensating for the lack of offense. Defensively though, there might not be a better division in football. There will only be 1 team (SF) higher than .500 in that division

The defenses are compensating because they're legit. It's not a case of unsustainable performance. Further, if the defenses are good enough that the offenses have to do less work and amass less yardage to win, how is that a bad thing? I'd say your yardage-focused analysis is a little off here.As for the teams mentioned above (BUF, DET, MIN, CHI, TB), let's take a look, since you pointed out the Cards', Rams' and Seahawks' offensive ineptitude.BUF: 17th offense, 31st defenseDET: 3rd offense, 9th defenseMIN: 20th offense, 7th defenseCHI: 19th offense, 6th defenseTB: 30th offense, 27th defenseThere's no way I'd put the Bills or Bucs down as a guaranteed loss against any team in the NFL at this juncture. The Bears and Vikes look like bigger threats, despite their own offensive inconsistencies. I can't figure out the Lions.

 

[beerbarron]

Dont count on the Rams Cards or the Hawks getting much more wins. The defenses are more than compensating for the lack of offense. Defensively though, there might not be a better division in football. There will only be 1 team (SF) higher than .500 in that division

The defenses are compensating because they're legit. It's not a case of unsustainable performance. Further, if the defenses are good enough that the offenses have to do less work and amass less yardage to win, how is that a bad thing? I'd say your yardage-focused analysis is a little off here.As for the teams mentioned above (BUF, DET, MIN, CHI, TB), let's take a look, since you pointed out the Cards', Rams' and Seahawks' offensive ineptitude.BUF: 17th offense, 31st defenseDET: 3rd offense, 9th defenseMIN: 20th offense, 7th defenseCHI: 19th offense, 6th defenseTB: 30th offense, 27th defenseThere's no way I'd put the Bills or Bucs down as a guaranteed loss against any team in the NFL at this juncture. The Bears and Vikes look like bigger threats, despite their own offensive inconsistencies. I can't figure out the Lions.

This isnt the same NFC West where the Hawks won the division at 7/9 a few years ago.. If you havent been paying attention there are some solid old school defenses from San Fran to St Louis. Offenses are not dynamic but productive and with the solid D's these teams have.. may not have to score a whole lot of points to get to 8+ wins..I would take this division against any other in the league. and its a very young, defense first division.. STL has the best QB in the division and once he gets in synch with his recievers could be a potent offense.. SF has quietly put up some huge O numbers last two weeks.. still not sold due to the teams it did it against but SF couldnt have done that last year... Seems every team has its arrow pointing up and by the end of this year this is recognized as the toughest division in the NFL.

 

[Rick James]

SF is the only complete team in that division. I think ARI and SEA are going to come back down to earth.

 

[JHuber77]

Dont count on the Rams Cards or the Hawks getting much more wins. The defenses are more than compensating for the lack of offense. Defensively though, there might not be a better division in football. There will only be 1 team (SF) higher than .500 in that division

The defenses are compensating because they're legit. It's not a case of unsustainable performance. Further, if the defenses are good enough that the offenses have to do less work and amass less yardage to win, how is that a bad thing? I'd say your yardage-focused analysis is a little off here.As for the teams mentioned above (BUF, DET, MIN, CHI, TB), let's take a look, since you pointed out the Cards', Rams' and Seahawks' offensive ineptitude.

BUF: 17th offense, 31st defense

DET: 3rd offense, 9th defense

MIN: 20th offense, 7th defense

CHI: 19th offense, 6th defense

TB: 30th offense, 27th defense

There's no way I'd put the Bills or Bucs down as a guaranteed loss against any team in the NFL at this juncture. The Bears and Vikes look like bigger threats, despite their own offensive inconsistencies. I can't figure out the Lions.

This isnt the same NFC West where the Hawks won the division at 7/9 a few years ago.. If you havent been paying attention there are some solid old school defenses from San Fran to St Louis. Offenses are not dynamic but productive and with the solid D's these teams have.. may not have to score a whole lot of points to get to 8+ wins..I would take this division against any other in the league. and its a very young, defense first division.. STL has the best QB in the division and once he gets in synch with his recievers could be a potent offense.. SF has quietly put up some huge O numbers last two weeks.. still not sold due to the teams it did it against but SF couldnt have done that last year...

Seems every team has its arrow pointing up and by the end of this year this is recognized as the toughest division in the NFL.

What receivers? BUF and TB are the only other teams they have a chance at upsetting, so I will change their outlook to toss up.

 

[JHuber77]

Rams 3-2 Over Under on wins 6

MIA- toss up

GB- Loss

NE - Loss

BYE

SF - Loss

NYJ - toss up

ARI - toss up

SF - Loss

BUF- toss up

MIN - Loss

TB- toss up

SEA- Loss

Cardinals 4-1 Over Under on wins 7

D

BUF- toss up

MIN - Loss

SF - Loss

GB - Loss

BYE

ATL- Loss

STL- toss up

NYJ - toss up

SEA - toss up

DET- Loss

CHI- Loss

SF- Loss

Seahawks 3-2 Over/Under on wins 7 games

NE- Loss

SF- Loss

DET- Loss

MIN- Loss

NYJ- toss up

BYE

MIA- toss up

CHI- Loss

ARI- Win

BUF- toss up

SF- Loss

STL- Win

Even if these 3 teams win 75% of the toss up games, none of these teams are .500 teams The over/under totals were totals that were released before the season started. Granted I am a firm believer that defense can get you wins, its is not sustainable for the course of a whole season.

 

[ichris]

NFC West is turning into the opposite of it's reputation from 5+ years ago where it was all offense and no defense.

 

[Hooper31]

Even if these 3 teams win 75% of the toss up games, none of these teams are .500 teams The over/under totals were totals that were released before the season started. Granted I am a firm believer that defense can get you wins, its is not sustainable for the course of a whole season.

Really looking forward to your bump regardless of the outcome. If you're right, you get to look like a doosh for hitting the world with your "I told you so". If not, you'll have that opportunity to try and save face and again look like a doosh. You rule.

 

[JHuber77]

Even if these 3 teams win 75% of the toss up games, none of these teams are .500 teams The over/under totals were totals that were released before the season started. Granted I am a firm believer that defense can get you wins, its is not sustainable for the course of a whole season.

Really looking forward to your bump regardless of the outcome. If you're right, you get to look like a doosh for hitting the world with your "I told you so". If not, you'll have that opportunity to try and save face and again look like a doosh. You rule.

What are you talking about? I'm not a told you so person. I am however a person who enjoys a good discussion without the need to call each other a "doosh." I'd love to hear some actual discussion why any of these teams other than SF can be over a .500 team. The offenses on all 3 are terrible. The way I see it.Seattle 7-9Arizona 6-10St. Louis 6-10

 

[beerbarron]

Dont count on the Rams Cards or the Hawks getting much more wins. The defenses are more than compensating for the lack of offense. Defensively though, there might not be a better division in football. There will only be 1 team (SF) higher than .500 in that division

The defenses are compensating because they're legit. It's not a case of unsustainable performance. Further, if the defenses are good enough that the offenses have to do less work and amass less yardage to win, how is that a bad thing? I'd say your yardage-focused analysis is a little off here.As for the teams mentioned above (BUF, DET, MIN, CHI, TB), let's take a look, since you pointed out the Cards', Rams' and Seahawks' offensive ineptitude.

BUF: 17th offense, 31st defense

DET: 3rd offense, 9th defense

MIN: 20th offense, 7th defense

CHI: 19th offense, 6th defense

TB: 30th offense, 27th defense

There's no way I'd put the Bills or Bucs down as a guaranteed loss against any team in the NFL at this juncture. The Bears and Vikes look like bigger threats, despite their own offensive inconsistencies. I can't figure out the Lions.

This isnt the same NFC West where the Hawks won the division at 7/9 a few years ago.. If you havent been paying attention there are some solid old school defenses from San Fran to St Louis. Offenses are not dynamic but productive and with the solid D's these teams have.. may not have to score a whole lot of points to get to 8+ wins..I would take this division against any other in the league. and its a very young, defense first division.. STL has the best QB in the division and once he gets in synch with his recievers could be a potent offense.. SF has quietly put up some huge O numbers last two weeks.. still not sold due to the teams it did it against but SF couldnt have done that last year...

Seems every team has its arrow pointing up and by the end of this year this is recognized as the toughest division in the NFL.

What receivers? BUF and TB are the only other teams they have a chance at upsetting, so I will change their outlook to toss up.

True.. Losing DAmendola hurt.. The WR corp is young.. Dont sleep on this division. There will be more upsets by the teams in this division as the year goes on. Defense still can win games. It seems like STL has the weekest D but, from what I have seen, Fisher has done a good job so far with a young secondary.

Interesting to see how this works out..

 

[Hooper31]

The way I see it.Seattle 7-9Arizona 6-10St. Louis 6-10

Okay. So registered. You've committed yourself to an opinion by choosing some number of wins for each. Good luck to you in your endeavor. If you had wanted to discuss what's going on in the NFC West you could have done this, but instead you decided to throw out some arbitrary numbers so you have something to defend. That's not discussion, that's akin to the political rhetoric of the day. There's no searching to understand the other viewpoint, there's only defending your arbitrarily determined numbers. That's pointless.

 

[JHuber77]

The way I see it.Seattle 7-9Arizona 6-10St. Louis 6-10

Okay. So registered. You've committed yourself to an opinion by choosing some number of wins for each. Good luck to you in your endeavor. If you had wanted to discuss what's going on in the NFC West you could have done this, but instead you decided to throw out some arbitrary numbers so you have something to defend. That's not discussion, that's akin to the political rhetoric of the day. There's no searching to understand the other viewpoint, there's only defending your arbitrarily determined numbers. That's pointless.

Fantasy football is nothing but a game of numbers, so its not pointless to refer to numbers when talking about it. I stated what I did because of how the original poster started this thread. "On paper all teams could finish 8-8 or above." I disagree for various reasons, thats all. Your completely trying to make this something that its not.

 

[bulger2holt]

With the Rams pass rush and excellent CB's, they have a good chance of beating the Packers in St.Louis. The Rams are a very good home team.

 

[Card Trader]

Even if these 3 teams win 75% of the toss up games, none of these teams are .500 teams The over/under totals were totals that were released before the season started. Granted I am a firm believer that defense can get you wins, its is not sustainable for the course of a whole season.

Really looking forward to your bump regardless of the outcome. If you're right, you get to look like a doosh for hitting the world with your "I told you so". If not, you'll have that opportunity to try and save face and again look like a doosh. You rule.

What are you talking about? I'm not a told you so person. I am however a person who enjoys a good discussion without the need to call each other a "doosh." I'd love to hear some actual discussion why any of these teams other than SF can be over a .500 team. The offenses on all 3 are terrible. The way I see it.Seattle 7-9Arizona 6-10St. Louis 6-10

I rarely bet on my team, but if you want to throw down $500 I'll take the bet and the Cards having more than 6 wins. Deal?

 

[MarcO]

Even if these 3 teams win 75% of the toss up games, none of these teams are .500 teams The over/under totals were totals that were released before the season started. Granted I am a firm believer that defense can get you wins, its is not sustainable for the course of a whole season.

Really looking forward to your bump regardless of the outcome. If you're right, you get to look like a doosh for hitting the world with your "I told you so". If not, you'll have that opportunity to try and save face and again look like a doosh. You rule.

What are you talking about? I'm not a told you so person. I am however a person who enjoys a good discussion without the need to call each other a "doosh." I'd love to hear some actual discussion why any of these teams other than SF can be over a .500 team. The offenses on all 3 are terrible. The way I see it.Seattle 7-9

Arizona 6-10

St. Louis 6-10

SeattleTop 5 defense - The DEF has given up just 4 offensive TDs

Top 6 rushing game - Averaging 140 yds a game

Above average special teams play.

The only piece that is missing is a passing attack. Wilson has been asked to be efficient - not win the game with his arm. All in all he's done just that - and he's had his team in a position to win each game this year.

BTW - you can win with this formula - just ask Houston - who is currently ranked 27th in passing yards. Not saying the SEA offense is on par with HOU but contrary to popular opinion, you don't have to throw it all over the field to win in the NFL.

Seattle is likely going to be in every game they play this year with a chance to win a lot of them - and a very good chance to win against one-dimensional offenses like Detroit (similar to GB) - where they can pin their ears back and go after the QB - was it 8 sacks in the first half? IMO they don't match up as well against MINN and SF and to some degree CHI - teams with more balanced on offense. We'll see this weekend against NE if the Pat's rushing game is legit - but the fact this is at home I still think the Hawks have a shot. It wouldn't shock me if they drop the next two - but even so I think they go 9-7 and with some luck 10-6.

 

[JHuber77]

Even if these 3 teams win 75% of the toss up games, none of these teams are .500 teams The over/under totals were totals that were released before the season started. Granted I am a firm believer that defense can get you wins, its is not sustainable for the course of a whole season.

Really looking forward to your bump regardless of the outcome. If you're right, you get to look like a doosh for hitting the world with your "I told you so". If not, you'll have that opportunity to try and save face and again look like a doosh. You rule.

What are you talking about? I'm not a told you so person. I am however a person who enjoys a good discussion without the need to call each other a "doosh." I'd love to hear some actual discussion why any of these teams other than SF can be over a .500 team. The offenses on all 3 are terrible. The way I see it.Seattle 7-9Arizona 6-10St. Louis 6-10

I rarely bet on my team, but if you want to throw down $500 I'll take the bet and the Cards having more than 6 wins. Deal?

They already have 4. Thats such a dumb bet, you'd have to be a moron to take something like that. I just said that is my belief. Crazy stuff happens every week in the NFL. Hell, even Josh McDaniels went 6-0 with the Broncos in his first year, then finished 8-8.

 

[JHuber77]

Even if these 3 teams win 75% of the toss up games, none of these teams are .500 teams The over/under totals were totals that were released before the season started. Granted I am a firm believer that defense can get you wins, its is not sustainable for the course of a whole season.

Really looking forward to your bump regardless of the outcome. If you're right, you get to look like a doosh for hitting the world with your "I told you so". If not, you'll have that opportunity to try and save face and again look like a doosh. You rule.

What are you talking about? I'm not a told you so person. I am however a person who enjoys a good discussion without the need to call each other a "doosh." I'd love to hear some actual discussion why any of these teams other than SF can be over a .500 team. The offenses on all 3 are terrible. The way I see it.Seattle 7-9

Arizona 6-10

St. Louis 6-10

SeattleTop 5 defense - The DEF has given up just 4 offensive TDs

Top 6 rushing game - Averaging 140 yds a game

Above average special teams play.

The only piece that is missing is a passing attack. Wilson has been asked to be efficient - not win the game with his arm. All in all he's done just that - and he's had his team in a position to win each game this year.

BTW - you can win with this formula - just ask Houston - who is currently ranked 27th in passing yards. Not saying the SEA offense is on par with HOU but contrary to popular opinion, you don't have to throw it all over the field to win in the NFL.

Seattle is likely going to be in every game they play this year with a chance to win a lot of them - and a very good chance to win against one-dimensional offenses like Detroit (similar to GB) - where they can pin their ears back and go after the QB - was it 8 sacks in the first half? IMO they don't match up as well against MINN and SF and to some degree CHI - teams with more balanced on offense. We'll see this weekend against NE if the Pat's rushing game is legit - but the fact this is at home I still think the Hawks have a shot. It wouldn't shock me if they drop the next two - but even so I think they go 9-7 and with some luck 10-6.

fair enough. I agree with you that Seattle is the 2nd best team in this division. With some WR's this team would even be more dangerous than they already are. Lets face it though, Seattle should be 2-3 and not 3-2 thanks to the replacement refs.

 

[biju]

Even if these 3 teams win 75% of the toss up games, none of these teams are .500 teams The over/under totals were totals that were released before the season started. Granted I am a firm believer that defense can get you wins, its is not sustainable for the course of a whole season.

Really looking forward to your bump regardless of the outcome. If you're right, you get to look like a doosh for hitting the world with your "I told you so". If not, you'll have that opportunity to try and save face and again look like a doosh. You rule.

What are you talking about? I'm not a told you so person. I am however a person who enjoys a good discussion without the need to call each other a "doosh." I'd love to hear some actual discussion why any of these teams other than SF can be over a .500 team. The offenses on all 3 are terrible. The way I see it.Seattle 7-9

Arizona 6-10

St. Louis 6-10

Ok, let's try this.

Seahawks 3-2 Over/Under on wins 7 games

NE- Loss Home game

SF- Loss

DET- Loss

MIN- Loss Home game

NYJ- toss up Home game

BYE

MIA- toss up

CHI- Loss

ARI- Win Home game

BUF- toss up

SF- Loss Home game

STL- Win Home game

First off, any game played in Seattle shouldn't be considered a straight up loss against any team. After beating DAL and GB at home I think they've earned that. I also find it curious that the only wins we have for certain according to you is against NFC West teams. If anything those might be the toughest based on the way the season has gone so far.- Seattle lost to the Cardinals 20-16 in Arizona, where Arizona beat NE in their house. Not sure the Patriots have a lock on that one having to travel across the country where they haven't been good (no team does). Toss up.

- I'm not sure what you've seen of the Jets or Bills that makes you think that game will be a toss up. Both of those teams are bad. Two wins here.

- I don't necessarily agree with Detroit being an auto-loss either. They have not looked good so far and Stafford is out of sync with the rest of the team. Seattle is not a team you want to play from behind on. Toss up.

- Minnesota has been playing pretty good, but again in Seattle I don't think that's an auto-loss. Toss up.

- Seattle has beaten Chicago twice in their own house in the last two years. Plus of all of the QBs in the league, Jay Cutler gets rattled the most by pressure. Toss up.

- Again, I'm not sold that SF would necessarily beat them in Seattle but I suppose it's possible. I'd make that a toss up.

From that you end up with two more wins (NYJ, BUF), and if you're treating toss ups with a 50% chance, that's another three (I'll go with MIN, MIA, and CHI). That's 9-7 if you take off your East Coast glasses.

 

[bulger2holt]

lol @ people counting wins in Seattle. That team doesn't lose at home. Their D is dominant and they run the ball well.

 

[bulger2holt]

My predictions

SF- 12-4

Seattle - 10-6

Rams - 7-9

Cardinals- 7-9

 

[JHuber77]

Even if these 3 teams win 75% of the toss up games, none of these teams are .500 teams The over/under totals were totals that were released before the season started. Granted I am a firm believer that defense can get you wins, its is not sustainable for the course of a whole season.

Really looking forward to your bump regardless of the outcome. If you're right, you get to look like a doosh for hitting the world with your "I told you so". If not, you'll have that opportunity to try and save face and again look like a doosh. You rule.

What are you talking about? I'm not a told you so person. I am however a person who enjoys a good discussion without the need to call each other a "doosh." I'd love to hear some actual discussion why any of these teams other than SF can be over a .500 team. The offenses on all 3 are terrible. The way I see it.Seattle 7-9

Arizona 6-10

St. Louis 6-10

Ok, let's try this.

Seahawks 3-2 Over/Under on wins 7 games

NE- Loss Home game

SF- Loss

DET- Loss

MIN- Loss Home game

NYJ- toss up Home game

BYE

MIA- toss up

CHI- Loss

ARI- Win Home game

BUF- toss up

SF- Loss Home game

STL- Win Home game

First off, any game played in Seattle shouldn't be considered a straight up loss against any team. After beating DAL and GB at home I think they've earned that. I also find it curious that the only wins we have for certain according to you is against NFC West teams. If anything those might be the toughest based on the way the season has gone so far.- Seattle lost to the Cardinals 20-16 in Arizona, where Arizona beat NE in their house. Not sure the Patriots have a lock on that one having to travel across the country where they haven't been good (no team does). Toss up.

- I'm not sure what you've seen of the Jets or Bills that makes you think that game will be a toss up. Both of those teams are bad. Two wins here.

- I don't necessarily agree with Detroit being an auto-loss either. They have not looked good so far and Stafford is out of sync with the rest of the team. Seattle is not a team you want to play from behind on. Toss up.

- Minnesota has been playing pretty good, but again in Seattle I don't think that's an auto-loss. Toss up.

- Seattle has beaten Chicago twice in their own house in the last two years. Plus of all of the QBs in the league, Jay Cutler gets rattled the most by pressure. Toss up.

- Again, I'm not sold that SF would necessarily beat them in Seattle but I suppose it's possible. I'd make that a toss up.

From that you end up with two more wins (NYJ, BUF), and if you're treating toss ups with a 50% chance, that's another three (I'll go with MIN, MIA, and CHI). That's 9-7 if you take off your East Coast glasses.

I just dont see SEA beating CHI OR NE. Seattle's offense has scored 1 more point than the Bears defense in the past 2 weeks. NE is a perennial superbowl contender and favorite in this matchup already, so I wouldn't count that either. Add that up along with a gift in week 3 (win over GB) and SEA is still nothing better than a .500 team.

 

[Abrantes]

I just dont see SEA beating CHI OR NE. Seattle's offense has scored 1 more point than the Bears defense in the past 2 weeks. NE is a perennial superbowl contender and favorite in this matchup already, so I wouldn't count that either. Add that up along with a gift in week 3 (win over GB) and SEA is still nothing better than a .500 team.

You're going by season stats and reputation, as opposed to how the teams have looked this season. You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but seeing at least 7 auto-losses in 11 games for all 3 non-49ers teams in the NFC West is not realistic at all. It wouldn't be realistic for any division. Watch the games. They've been playing tough against everyone, regardless of how you might interpret the stats.

 

[bulger2holt]

The Niners, Cardinals, SeaHens, and Lambs all getting beaten down today.In the words of ex-Cardinals coach Denny Green, "They are who we thought they were"

The Rams dominated everything but the final score against the Dolphins today. Almost 500 yards to 190.

 

[attaché case]

The Niners, Cardinals, SeaHens, and Lambs all getting beaten down today.In the words of ex-Cardinals coach Denny Green, "They are who we thought they were"

You might wanna check the scores again....

 

[CapnJB]

I just dont see SEA beating CHI OR NE.

This is starting well for you.

 

[renesauz]

3 of the 4 will finish at .500 or better

St. Louis will probably win 6.

The OP's basic premise is intact...the division has come full circle from being one of the worst to being one of the best.

 

[HairySasquatch]

Seattle 4-2. Only two losses to Ari and StL. Offense looked better today. Let Wilson pass more I say....he throws a good ball.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I just dont see SEA beating CHI OR NE.

This is starting well for you.

 

[mad sweeney]

Even if these 3 teams win 75% of the toss up games, none of these teams are .500 teams The over/under totals were totals that were released before the season started. Granted I am a firm believer that defense can get you wins, its is not sustainable for the course of a whole season.

Really looking forward to your bump regardless of the outcome. If you're right, you get to look like a doosh for hitting the world with your "I told you so". If not, you'll have that opportunity to try and save face and again look like a doosh. You rule.

What are you talking about? I'm not a told you so person. I am however a person who enjoys a good discussion without the need to call each other a "doosh." I'd love to hear some actual discussion why any of these teams other than SF can be over a .500 team. The offenses on all 3 are terrible. The way I see it.Seattle 7-9

Arizona 6-10

St. Louis 6-10

SeattleTop 5 defense - The DEF has given up just 4 offensive TDs

Top 6 rushing game - Averaging 140 yds a game

Above average special teams play.

The only piece that is missing is a passing attack. Wilson has been asked to be efficient - not win the game with his arm. All in all he's done just that - and he's had his team in a position to win each game this year.

BTW - you can win with this formula - just ask Houston - who is currently ranked 27th in passing yards. Not saying the SEA offense is on par with HOU but contrary to popular opinion, you don't have to throw it all over the field to win in the NFL.

Seattle is likely going to be in every game they play this year with a chance to win a lot of them - and a very good chance to win against one-dimensional offenses like Detroit (similar to GB) - where they can pin their ears back and go after the QB - was it 8 sacks in the first half? IMO they don't match up as well against MINN and SF and to some degree CHI - teams with more balanced on offense. We'll see this weekend against NE if the Pat's rushing game is legit - but the fact this is at home I still think the Hawks have a shot. It wouldn't shock me if they drop the next two - but even so I think they go 9-7 and with some luck 10-6.

fair enough. I agree with you that Seattle is the 2nd best team in this division. With some WR's this team would even be more dangerous than they already are. Lets face it though, Seattle should be 2-3 and not 3-2 thanks to the replacement refs.

Lets face it, the replacement refs screwed up more than one go ahead drive in that game. Why does the last mistake count more than the other equally damaging ones? Seattle didn't get screwed last in a poorly refer game. GB had their share of favorable calls including 2 or 3 third down conversions by penalty on their TD drive. Sorry, but letting 8 sacks happen and getting shut down by the D and needing ref help to score makes it pretty stupid to insist a team didn't deserve to win because time ran out for refs to screw things up more.

 

[PDX Pain]

Both Seattle's defense and offense are only going to improve, and if that's the case, they're the best team in the NFC WEST. They have a better QB than the 9ers, and NO TEAM could come into Seattle and do what the Giants did to the 9ers on Sunday. Don't let the past blur your ability to recognize what's going on out west. This division is really, really good. Likely the best in the NFL top to bottom.

 

[drummer]

Both Seattle's defense and offense are only going to improve, and if that's the case, they're the best team in the NFC WEST. They have a better QB than the 9ers, and NO TEAM could come into Seattle and do what the Giants did to the 9ers on Sunday. Don't let the past blur your ability to recognize what's going on out west. This division is really, really good. Likely the best in the NFL top to bottom.

I think someone is too high on SEA here. The 49ers could have beaten NE with the front 7 alone. They could run and even pass all over them too. Maybe not long bomb kill shots, but in quick decisive passes and all kinds of run formations.

 

[bulger2holt]

I wonder if the Rams will contend for the NFC West title next year with 2 #1 picks and loads of cap space? It seems they are only a couple o-lineman and a #1 WR away from being legit. Their D is fierce. 190 total yards to Miami ?

 

[JHuber77]

Both Seattle's defense and offense are only going to improve, and if that's the case, they're the best team in the NFC WEST. They have a better QB than the 9ers, and NO TEAM could come into Seattle and do what the Giants did to the 9ers on Sunday. Don't let the past blur your ability to recognize what's going on out west. This division is really, really good. Likely the best in the NFL top to bottom.

Well now Seattle has to go undefeated within the division the rest of the way if they are going to contend for the division. They are 0-3 against NFC West teams. As far as what the Giants did to the 49ers last week, Cincinnatti did it to Seattle last year 34-12 along with the Falcons 34-18, Chiefs 42-24, and Giants 41-7 the year before. Its still too early this year to say that nobody can go into Seattle and beat them handily, because Seattle just isn't very good on offense. I do agree with you though, this division is stacked on defense, offense not so much.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Bradford + Kolb + Smith + Wilson = Smash Mouth football.

 

[rockaction]

Both Seattle's defense and offense are only going to improve, and if that's the case, they're the best team in the NFC WEST. They have a better QB than the 9ers, and NO TEAM could come into Seattle and do what the Giants did to the 9ers on Sunday. Don't let the past blur your ability to recognize what's going on out west. This division is really, really good. Likely the best in the NFL top to bottom.

I think someone is too high on SEA here. The 49ers could have beaten NE with the front 7 alone. They could run and even pass all over them too. Maybe not long bomb kill shots, but in quick decisive passes and all kinds of run formations.

You're gonna find out Dec. 16th. I wouldn't be too confident.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Both Seattle's defense and offense are only going to improve, and if that's the case, they're the best team in the NFC WEST. They have a better QB than the 9ers, and NO TEAM could come into Seattle and do what the Giants did to the 9ers on Sunday. Don't let the past blur your ability to recognize what's going on out west. This division is really, really good. Likely the best in the NFL top to bottom.

Well now Seattle has to go undefeated within the division the rest of the way if they are going to contend for the division. They are 0-3 against NFC West teams. As far as what the Giants did to the 49ers last week, Cincinnatti did it to Seattle last year 34-12 along with the Falcons 34-18, Chiefs 42-24, and Giants 41-7 the year before. Its still too early this year to say that nobody can go into Seattle and beat them handily, because Seattle just isn't very good on offense. I do agree with you though, this division is stacked on defense, offense not so much.

seattle's win are a beatdown of Dallas, that ridiculous call vs GB, an amazing goalline stand vs carolina, and a 1 point comeback win a home vs new england. they are very lucky in all those situations and likely should be 2-5 or 3-4 rather than 4-3

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

STL has a difficult schedule ahead. I can't see them arriving at a better than 7 win total. That is a huge year in regards to stabalizing the franchise.

 

[JHuber77]

Both Seattle's defense and offense are only going to improve, and if that's the case, they're the best team in the NFC WEST. They have a better QB than the 9ers, and NO TEAM could come into Seattle and do what the Giants did to the 9ers on Sunday. Don't let the past blur your ability to recognize what's going on out west. This division is really, really good. Likely the best in the NFL top to bottom.

Well now Seattle has to go undefeated within the division the rest of the way if they are going to contend for the division. They are 0-3 against NFC West teams. As far as what the Giants did to the 49ers last week, Cincinnatti did it to Seattle last year 34-12 along with the Falcons 34-18, Chiefs 42-24, and Giants 41-7 the year before. Its still too early this year to say that nobody can go into Seattle and beat them handily, because Seattle just isn't very good on offense. I do agree with you though, this division is stacked on defense, offense not so much.

seattle's win are a beatdown of Dallas, that ridiculous call vs GB, an amazing goalline stand vs carolina, and a 1 point comeback win a home vs new england. they are very lucky in all those situations and likely should be 2-5 or 3-4 rather than 4-3

If you read the whole thread, I agree with you. Seattle is no better than a .500 team and now they have an uphill battle and must win all of their remaining games against STL, ARI, and SF to have any shot at the playoffs. They are already 0-3 in their own division

 

[Card Trader]

Even if these 3 teams win 75% of the toss up games, none of these teams are .500 teams The over/under totals were totals that were released before the season started. Granted I am a firm believer that defense can get you wins, its is not sustainable for the course of a whole season.

Really looking forward to your bump regardless of the outcome. If you're right, you get to look like a doosh for hitting the world with your "I told you so". If not, you'll have that opportunity to try and save face and again look like a doosh. You rule.

What are you talking about? I'm not a told you so person. I am however a person who enjoys a good discussion without the need to call each other a "doosh." I'd love to hear some actual discussion why any of these teams other than SF can be over a .500 team. The offenses on all 3 are terrible. The way I see it.Seattle 7-9Arizona 6-10St. Louis 6-10

I rarely bet on my team, but if you want to throw down $500 I'll take the bet and the Cards having more than 6 wins. Deal?

They already have 4. Thats such a dumb bet, you'd have to be a moron to take something like that. I just said that is my belief. Crazy stuff happens every week in the NFL. Hell, even Josh McDaniels went 6-0 with the Broncos in his first year, then finished 8-8.

Whew...You whiffed on this one. I got lucky. Coulda been a cool $500 in your pocket.

 

[drummer]

Both Seattle's defense and offense are only going to improve, and if that's the case, they're the best team in the NFC WEST. They have a better QB than the 9ers, and NO TEAM could come into Seattle and do what the Giants did to the 9ers on Sunday. Don't let the past blur your ability to recognize what's going on out west. This division is really, really good. Likely the best in the NFL top to bottom.

I think someone is too high on SEA here. The 49ers could have beaten NE with the front 7 alone. They could run and even pass all over them too. Maybe not long bomb kill shots, but in quick decisive passes and all kinds of run formations.

You're gonna find out Dec. 16th. I wouldn't be too confident.

I'm never overconfident about the 49ers, not with Alex Smith behind center, but that's only if NE forces him to throw the ball. But the defense and run game of the 49ers keeps Smith steady at less than 20 attempts. So that helps.