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NFL fines Brian Urlacher $100,000 (1 Viewer)

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$100,000 fine caps silly feud

Urlacher penalized as sports drink firm, NFL square off

April 19, 2007

Chicago Tribune

For three minutes at the beginning of Super Bowl media day at Dolphin Stadium in Miami, Brian Urlacher answered questions before anybody noticed the black hat on his head and a bottle on the podium.

Both items carried the logo for a sports drink company Urlacher has invested in and endorses.

At that point, a Bears public relations spokesman approached Urlacher and quietly reminded him of the NFL's policy against wearing gear that advertises any product except designated league sponsors at league events. Gatorade pays the NFL about $45 million per year to be its exclusive drink of choice.

According to an NFL official's review of a video clip of the event, Urlacher complied with the request by immediately removing the hat and asking, "You guys having a fit?"

The answer finally became public Wednesday when a New York public relations firm for the beverage company issued a release confirming the NFL had fined Urlacher $100,000 a month ago for wearing the hat during the marquee event of Super Bowl week. It was the largest non-suspension fine in league history.

"I find it ridiculous that the NFL would fine me $100,000," Urlacher said in a statement.

He did not return phone calls, and a company spokesman said he was traveling.

Urlacher can appeal the fine, but representatives from the company said they expected Urlacher to pay it, an excessive amount for a minuscule offense but easily worth every penny for the exposure it generated for his product.

The unprecedented nature of the punishment and Urlacher's status as a premier NFL pitchman guaranteed national media attention and widespread mention of the drink's brand in most media outlets.

But, sorry, not this one.

The announcement of the discipline came across to many as a thinly veiled exercise in commercialism when the company's seven-sentence press release of Urlacher's fine included the brand name eight times.

The quote obtained from Urlacher to gauge his reaction began with the linebacker explaining he consumes the product "because it helps me play at my best." The release concluded by blaming the league for fining Urlacher for preferring the sports drink, again named, to Gatorade.

In other words, the NFL wasn't the only organization coming on as subtly as a sledgehammer in all this.

The total amounts to $33,333 for each minute Urlacher wore the hat and a much stiffer penalty than if he had made helmet-to-helmet contact with Peyton Manning during the game. When Urlacher was fined for doing just that to the Bills' J.P. Losman in Week 5, in comparison, it cost him only a $5,000 fine— 1/20 of the latest amount.

That's like a traffic ticket costing as much as a mortgage payment. It left a lasting impression that the league protects its image even more fiercely than its quarterbacks.

Asked if it was taken into account that Urlacher had agreed to remove the hat three minutes into a 60-minute session, NFL director of corporate communications Brian McCarthy answered, "Nope. Too late."

In the NFL's mind, the damage had been done, and Urlacher's picture wearing the hat on a national Web site that night only confirmed it for them.

The league notified Urlacher of the fine in mid-March, a decision CNBC reporter Darren Rovell predicted in his blog from Jan. 31, a day after the event. Rovell reported the exchange at the podium between Urlacher and the Bears' PR official and noted how the NFL considers transgressions during Super Bowl week more serious than at any other time. Indeed, a failure to comply during the regular season brings a $10,000 fine, while during the Pro Bowl it increases to $50,000.

McCarthy explained that players from every team are made aware of the restrictions before each season with inserts into their playbooks and reminders on bulletin boards.

The level of the Super Bowl fine has been $100,000 since the mid-1990s, according to McCarthy, because of the growing international platform available for shrewd marketers. At the 2002 Super Bowl, New England Patriots offensive lineman and Nike endorser Mike Compton backed off his threat to hide the Reebok logo on his hat when reminded of the potential dent in his wallet. McCarthy's point: Players know the rules.

"We believe [urlacher] knew what he was doing," McCarthy said.

Stressing that Urlacher was fined for wearing the hat, not for drinking the beverage as the company alleged, McCarthy called the manner in which Wednesday's information was released a month after the decision "a classic attempt at ambush marketing."

League officials also could not have been happy that enforcing their policy, intended to limit attention paid its sponsors' competitors, in this case had the opposite effect because of an enterprising PR firm with transparent intentions.

"It certainly isn't a surprise to anyone that we need to protect the rights of our sponsors, and this was a clear attempt to get around that," McCarthy said.

Contrary to what conspiracy theorists might think, it was not an attempt to get back at Urlacher for taking a swipe at the league in November after its decision to suspend Ricky Manning Jr. for the Patriots game. In a fit of frustration, Urlacher said back then, "It stinks, man. … I don't know why they did it this week, but that's the NFL for you."

Wednesday, the league met its match in overkill.
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Wow. I understand the need for a fine, but thats just stupid.

How much was Eugene Robinson fined for his...um.....extracarricular activites during superbowl week?

 
How much does Urlacher make for the NFL? If I was him I would tell them to kiss my ### when they ask me to do any commercials or events for them.

 
I think that it's ridiculous that the NFL has league-wide sponsors in the first place. This is definitely one area where I think that the NFLPA has failed the individual players.

Can you imagine if 20 years ago, Puma was the official sponsor of the NBA and Michael Jordan was not allowed to wear Nike shoes during games, press events or any function related to the NBA?

 
this is kinda old news, but it really shows you where the leagues head is - up corporate behind.

And regarding Michael Jordan, this is how the NFL keeps that ad money and not the players.

 
- In 2005 John Lynch was fined $75000 for leading with his helmet into Dallas Clark.

- Last year, Tyler Brayton was fined $25000 for kneeing Jeramy Stevens in the groin.

- Last year, Tom Nalen was fined $25000 for a low block on San Diego Chargers defensive lineman Igor Olshansky.

This fine on Urlacher is ridiculous. There was no potential injury to anyone involved.

 
:sleep: I think the NFL is right on with this fine.

1) He did this during the Super Bowl week (sponsers pay big $$ for time)

2) Gatorade is the major sponser of the NFL not this water company

3) The NFL needs its corporate sponsers .... the reason the NFL is what it is has a lot to do with the corporate sponsership.

 
:D I think the NFL is right on with this fine.

1) He did this during the Super Bowl week (sponsers pay big $$ for time)

2) Gatorade is the major sponser of the NFL not this water company

3) The NFL needs its corporate sponsers .... the reason the NFL is what it is has a lot to do with the corporate sponsership.
From previous posts of yours I think that it's a pretty good bet that you're just fishing again. But your last point is completely ridiculous. The sport of football, the great tv deals that they've created and the FANS are the reason that the NFL is so successful. These leaguewide corporate sponsors are a drop in the bucket of total revenue.
 
Urlacher isn't going to pay anything. Vitaminwater is LOVING this. They just got over a million in advertising for a cool 100k. How many times have they showed 54 wearing the cap on ESPN and local news shows? If anything, I can see the fines for this going up. I think it's a stupid fine in the sense that NOBODY knew he was wearning an "illegal" sponsor cap until now. Genius marketing move by Vitaminwater.

 
:goodposting: I think the NFL is right on with this fine.

1) He did this during the Super Bowl week (sponsers pay big $$ for time)

2) Gatorade is the major sponser of the NFL not this water company

3) The NFL needs its corporate sponsers .... the reason the NFL is what it is has a lot to do with the corporate sponsership.
From previous posts of yours I think that it's a pretty good bet that you're just fishing again. But your last point is completely ridiculous. The sport of football, the great tv deals that they've created and the FANS are the reason that the NFL is so successful. These leaguewide corporate sponsors are a drop in the bucket of total revenue.
-Your first comment has nothing to do with this post -Can you please explain why the NFL fined Urlacher $100,000?

-I said nothing about the NFL's total revenue....where did I say that? Is it not true that the NFL needs its corporate sponsership?

It seems to me that there is a lot of people on this board who are out to take shots at others in hopes of getting a :lmao: from others. I would much rather hear someones opinion on something than have to read through bunch of sophomoric shots.

 
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:thumbdown: I think the NFL is right on with this fine. 1) He did this during the Super Bowl week (sponsers pay big $$ for time)2) Gatorade is the major sponser of the NFL not this water company3) The NFL needs its corporate sponsers .... the reason the NFL is what it is has a lot to do with the corporate sponsership.
I agree, he probably got paid alot more than 100 grand to wear the hat, like the article said he and the company he sponsors knew what they were doing and he knew what kind of fine was coming. They also knew this fine would get publicy.
 
Urlacher isn't going to pay anything. Vitaminwater is LOVING this. They just got over a million in advertising for a cool 100k. How many times have they showed 54 wearing the cap on ESPN and local news shows? If anything, I can see the fines for this going up. I think it's a stupid fine in the sense that NOBODY knew he was wearning an "illegal" sponsor cap until now. Genius marketing move by Vitaminwater.
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How the players can and cannot market themselves (or any other products) is covered in their contracts. The fine was warranted.

If someone will pay me 1 million plus a year to play a game, they can tell me what to where at their events, and I promise I won't complain about it, even if it turns out to be a pink TUTU.

 
The fine is way too low imo. If the NFL really wants to enforce this, they need to fine the player a substantial amount more than what the player got in compensation for the violation. LMAO at those who think the NFL is in the wrong here. And comparing this fine to other fines for on the field digressions is totally irrelevant.

 
Plain and simple, they had to make an example of this infraction. If not, every player will weigh the pro's and con's and strike a good deal to promote something during that time. For some companies it would be cheaper to pay more than a commercial during the SB. Thus, it had to be done before every Tom, **** and Harry starting doing this every year.

 
:goodposting: I think the NFL is right on with this fine.

1) He did this during the Super Bowl week (sponsers pay big $$ for time)

2) Gatorade is the major sponser of the NFL not this water company

3) The NFL needs its corporate sponsers .... the reason the NFL is what it is has a lot to do with the corporate sponsership.
From previous posts of yours I think that it's a pretty good bet that you're just fishing again. But your last point is completely ridiculous. The sport of football, the great tv deals that they've created and the FANS are the reason that the NFL is so successful. These leaguewide corporate sponsors are a drop in the bucket of total revenue.
So, you're saying that the NFL should just institute policies that any player can violate without any punishment. By the way, those corporate sponsorships must be more than just a drop in the bucket for the NFL. Otherwise, they wouldn't bother to protect themselves. Urlacher's an ### for trying to pull a fast one and the NFL should have come down much harder on this type of violation. Actually, I guess he's smart since I'm sure he made multiples of the fine. I can't believe how many people are siding with the players on this one.
 
Plain and simple, they had to make an example of this infraction. If not, every player will weigh the pro's and con's and strike a good deal to promote something during that time. For some companies it would be cheaper to pay more than a commercial during the SB. Thus, it had to be done before every Tom, **** and Harry starting doing this every year.
But, it's not enough obviously. I know it sounds crazy but they might have to consider other types of punishment because if the player is still better off after the fine, then the players are getting over.
 
I absolutely salute the NFL for coming down hard on those trying to test the rules of the league. From behavioral off-the-field issues to touchdown celebrations to uniform violations, the NFL is showing they will not tolerate offenders. I'm surprised many here do not see the direct relationship between instances like this one with Urlacher and the fact that the NFL is what it is: the best run, best managed and most popular pro sport in existence.

 
The NFL should have found out how much he earned from Vitaminwater in 2006 and fined him that entire amount. Rules are rules even if you don't like them.

 
Gatorade hurts the human body, so I guess I could not care less about the whole situation. I salute Urlacher for pimping a healthier product. I'm not fond of the health problems the NFL is helping to create, so screw 'em, they deserve this...

 
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The NFL should have found out how much he earned from Vitaminwater in 2006 and fined him that entire amount. Rules are rules even if you don't like them.
That's a start but really even that is not enough if the player is no worse off. In this case, if Urlacher has an ownership stake in the company, then he is still better off for the publicity even if the fine completely offsets his paycheck for promoting the product.
 
Urlacher made much more money from this "transgression" than 100K. The NFL has had this fine for Super Bowl weeks on the books for over 10 years...if a player pulls this same prank next season they'll face a much larger fine than this. 250K?

The NFL is wise to protect their sponsors.

 
I think that it's ridiculous that the NFL has league-wide sponsors in the first place. This is definitely one area where I think that the NFLPA has failed the individual players. Can you imagine if 20 years ago, Puma was the official sponsor of the NBA and Michael Jordan was not allowed to wear Nike shoes during games, press events or any function related to the NBA?
1. I don't think anyone is prohibiting Urlacher from making commercials promoting other companies, its just that he can't do it during press conferences. This isn't the first time this has happened. The same happened to Jim McMahon when he wore an adidas headband.2. As far as MJ, he did have a conflict, but in reverse. I believe it was in the Olympic games when he and several of his teammates had to cover up their Reebok (IFRC) logos with the American flag since they had contracts with Nike.3. That all said, I think the fine was a bit too much.
 
The fine is way too low imo. If the NFL really wants to enforce this, they need to fine the player a substantial amount more than what the player got in compensation for the violation. LMAO at those who think the NFL is in the wrong here. And comparing this fine to other fines for on the field digressions is totally irrelevant.
I think fines for on field digressions are relevant, in that if the NFL is as interested in preventing illegal hits as they are for illegal publicity, the fines should be in line with each other, no? I understand Urlacher was being paid and therefor was able to offset his fine, but a safety who gets a reputation as a physical player due to illegal hits can offset his fine by earning a larger salary from a team in need of a physical player.I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think the NFL is wrong for fining Urlacher was they did, I think the NFL is wrong for not levying sufficient fines for illegal hits.

 
The fine is way too low imo. If the NFL really wants to enforce this, they need to fine the player a substantial amount more than what the player got in compensation for the violation. LMAO at those who think the NFL is in the wrong here. And comparing this fine to other fines for on the field digressions is totally irrelevant.
I think fines for on field digressions are relevant, in that if the NFL is as interested in preventing illegal hits as they are for illegal publicity, the fines should be in line with each other, no? I understand Urlacher was being paid and therefor was able to offset his fine, but a safety who gets a reputation as a physical player due to illegal hits can offset his fine by earning a larger salary from a team in need of a physical player.I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think the NFL is wrong for fining Urlacher was they did, I think the NFL is wrong for not levying sufficient fines for illegal hits.
It's different though because when is the last time a player received a $1 million bonus for spearing somebody? This is clearly apples and oranges.
 
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wearing a hat and putting the bottle on the podium....Urlacher knew what he was doing...cmon now.

I'm also confident that that company will pay his fine and he won't pay a dime. They got free advertising then and are getting it now.

 
radballs said:
Bull Dozier said:
radballs said:
The fine is way too low imo. If the NFL really wants to enforce this, they need to fine the player a substantial amount more than what the player got in compensation for the violation. LMAO at those who think the NFL is in the wrong here. And comparing this fine to other fines for on the field digressions is totally irrelevant.
I think fines for on field digressions are relevant, in that if the NFL is as interested in preventing illegal hits as they are for illegal publicity, the fines should be in line with each other, no? I understand Urlacher was being paid and therefor was able to offset his fine, but a safety who gets a reputation as a physical player due to illegal hits can offset his fine by earning a larger salary from a team in need of a physical player.I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think the NFL is wrong for fining Urlacher was they did, I think the NFL is wrong for not levying sufficient fines for illegal hits.
It's different though because when is the last time a player received a $1 million bonus for spearing somebody? This is clearly apples and oranges.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
 
He absolutely deserves it ESPECIALLY since he's an investor in the company. He directly benefits by this advertising and full well knew what he was doing. If he wants to advertise his product with the NFL his company should outbid Gatorade next time they are up for a contract instead of this obvious PR stunt. The fine should have been more considering what advertisers pay for commercials/endorsement contracts with the NFL espeically considering the amount of attention derived from the stunt far exceeded the $100K fine.

Like it or not, the NFL is a business and they need to fight to keep these things from happening or when they do happen to hit hard and make an example of them so people think twice about trying to cash in on these opportunities.

 
isnt this the same as reggie bush wearing adidas (i think) cleats at the beginning of the year? the exposure covers the fine. and yes, i think he did deserver the fine.

 
Gatorade hurts the human body, so I guess I could not care less about the whole situation. I salute Urlacher for pimping a healthier product. I'm not fond of the health problems the NFL is helping to create, so screw 'em, they deserve this...
Please elaborate re:Gatorade. Water, minerals, hfcorn syrup, other?
 
I must have heard the words VITAMIN WATER 50 times in the last two days.

That's some damn good publicity for only $100K.

I'm sure Urlacher will be reimbursed.

 
radballs said:
Bull Dozier said:
radballs said:
The fine is way too low imo. If the NFL really wants to enforce this, they need to fine the player a substantial amount more than what the player got in compensation for the violation. LMAO at those who think the NFL is in the wrong here. And comparing this fine to other fines for on the field digressions is totally irrelevant.
I think fines for on field digressions are relevant, in that if the NFL is as interested in preventing illegal hits as they are for illegal publicity, the fines should be in line with each other, no? I understand Urlacher was being paid and therefor was able to offset his fine, but a safety who gets a reputation as a physical player due to illegal hits can offset his fine by earning a larger salary from a team in need of a physical player.I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think the NFL is wrong for fining Urlacher was they did, I think the NFL is wrong for not levying sufficient fines for illegal hits.
It's different though because when is the last time a player received a $1 million bonus for spearing somebody? This is clearly apples and oranges.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
You guys aren't thinking it through all the way. The fines for on field transgressions are paid by the player, and NOBODY MAKES A PROFIT FROM THEM.The NFL has set itself up to market products as a group instead of as individuals. When a company and player go around the league like this, they DIRECTLY cost the NFL money. Worse, unlike on-field transgressions which COST the player money, in these cases the PLAYER MAKES MONEY. A 10k fine like an on-field transgression simply doesn't work.

Now, the NFL knows that Urlacher won't personally pay this fine, but that's immaterial. The point is that the NFL collects money commensurate with what the advertising was actually worth while at the same time protecting the general interests of the official sponsors who paid ten times that amount to be the "official" sponsor.

Because it became such big news, and is being discussed like this, the water company is ecstatic to pay this fine. The NFL is dissapointed because the fine could have been double what it actually was. Urlacher is happy because he made money on the whole deal. The official corporate sponsor is the only one who gets shafted, but they could probably lay a civil suit on Urlacher if they wanted to.

Comparing these violations to on field violations simply doesn't work...it really is comparing apples to oranges.

 
radballs said:
Bull Dozier said:
radballs said:
The fine is way too low imo. If the NFL really wants to enforce this, they need to fine the player a substantial amount more than what the player got in compensation for the violation. LMAO at those who think the NFL is in the wrong here. And comparing this fine to other fines for on the field digressions is totally irrelevant.
I think fines for on field digressions are relevant, in that if the NFL is as interested in preventing illegal hits as they are for illegal publicity, the fines should be in line with each other, no? I understand Urlacher was being paid and therefor was able to offset his fine, but a safety who gets a reputation as a physical player due to illegal hits can offset his fine by earning a larger salary from a team in need of a physical player.I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think the NFL is wrong for fining Urlacher was they did, I think the NFL is wrong for not levying sufficient fines for illegal hits.
It's different though because when is the last time a player received a $1 million bonus for spearing somebody? This is clearly apples and oranges.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
You guys aren't thinking it through all the way. The fines for on field transgressions are paid by the player, and NOBODY MAKES A PROFIT FROM THEM.The NFL has set itself up to market products as a group instead of as individuals. When a company and player go around the league like this, they DIRECTLY cost the NFL money. Worse, unlike on-field transgressions which COST the player money, in these cases the PLAYER MAKES MONEY. A 10k fine like an on-field transgression simply doesn't work.

Now, the NFL knows that Urlacher won't personally pay this fine, but that's immaterial. The point is that the NFL collects money commensurate with what the advertising was actually worth while at the same time protecting the general interests of the official sponsors who paid ten times that amount to be the "official" sponsor.

Because it became such big news, and is being discussed like this, the water company is ecstatic to pay this fine. The NFL is dissapointed because the fine could have been double what it actually was. Urlacher is happy because he made money on the whole deal. The official corporate sponsor is the only one who gets shafted, but they could probably lay a civil suit on Urlacher if they wanted to.

Comparing these violations to on field violations simply doesn't work...it really is comparing apples to oranges.
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radballs said:
Bull Dozier said:
radballs said:
The fine is way too low imo. If the NFL really wants to enforce this, they need to fine the player a substantial amount more than what the player got in compensation for the violation. LMAO at those who think the NFL is in the wrong here. And comparing this fine to other fines for on the field digressions is totally irrelevant.
I think fines for on field digressions are relevant, in that if the NFL is as interested in preventing illegal hits as they are for illegal publicity, the fines should be in line with each other, no? I understand Urlacher was being paid and therefor was able to offset his fine, but a safety who gets a reputation as a physical player due to illegal hits can offset his fine by earning a larger salary from a team in need of a physical player.I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think the NFL is wrong for fining Urlacher was they did, I think the NFL is wrong for not levying sufficient fines for illegal hits.
It's different though because when is the last time a player received a $1 million bonus for spearing somebody? This is clearly apples and oranges.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
You guys aren't thinking it through all the way. The fines for on field transgressions are paid by the player, and NOBODY MAKES A PROFIT FROM THEM.The NFL has set itself up to market products as a group instead of as individuals. When a company and player go around the league like this, they DIRECTLY cost the NFL money. Worse, unlike on-field transgressions which COST the player money, in these cases the PLAYER MAKES MONEY. A 10k fine like an on-field transgression simply doesn't work.

Now, the NFL knows that Urlacher won't personally pay this fine, but that's immaterial. The point is that the NFL collects money commensurate with what the advertising was actually worth while at the same time protecting the general interests of the official sponsors who paid ten times that amount to be the "official" sponsor.

Because it became such big news, and is being discussed like this, the water company is ecstatic to pay this fine. The NFL is dissapointed because the fine could have been double what it actually was. Urlacher is happy because he made money on the whole deal. The official corporate sponsor is the only one who gets shafted, but they could probably lay a civil suit on Urlacher if they wanted to.

Comparing these violations to on field violations simply doesn't work...it really is comparing apples to oranges.
Link to the costs the NFL incurred by Urlacher wearing the cap?
 
- In 2005 John Lynch was fined $75000 for leading with his helmet into Dallas Clark.- Last year, Tyler Brayton was fined $25000 for kneeing Jeramy Stevens in the groin.- Last year, Tom Nalen was fined $25000 for a low block on San Diego Chargers defensive lineman Igor Olshansky.
And Ray Lewis, who covered up his buddes murdering someone, gets a free pass to keep playing and have his bunghole massaged by nearly everyone at ESPN. :confused: I understand the apples/oranges argument, but IMO this is still loony.
 
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Bull Dozier said:
renesauz said:
The fine is way too low imo. If the NFL really wants to enforce this, they need to fine the player a substantial amount more than what the player got in compensation for the violation. LMAO at those who think the NFL is in the wrong here. And comparing this fine to other fines for on the field digressions is totally irrelevant.
I think fines for on field digressions are relevant, in that if the NFL is as interested in preventing illegal hits as they are for illegal publicity, the fines should be in line with each other, no? I understand Urlacher was being paid and therefor was able to offset his fine, but a safety who gets a reputation as a physical player due to illegal hits can offset his fine by earning a larger salary from a team in need of a physical player.I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think the NFL is wrong for fining Urlacher was they did, I think the NFL is wrong for not levying sufficient fines for illegal hits.
It's different though because when is the last time a player received a $1 million bonus for spearing somebody? This is clearly apples and oranges.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
You guys aren't thinking it through all the way. The fines for on field transgressions are paid by the player, and NOBODY MAKES A PROFIT FROM THEM.The NFL has set itself up to market products as a group instead of as individuals. When a company and player go around the league like this, they DIRECTLY cost the NFL money. Worse, unlike on-field transgressions which COST the player money, in these cases the PLAYER MAKES MONEY. A 10k fine like an on-field transgression simply doesn't work.

Now, the NFL knows that Urlacher won't personally pay this fine, but that's immaterial. The point is that the NFL collects money commensurate with what the advertising was actually worth while at the same time protecting the general interests of the official sponsors who paid ten times that amount to be the "official" sponsor.

Because it became such big news, and is being discussed like this, the water company is ecstatic to pay this fine. The NFL is dissapointed because the fine could have been double what it actually was. Urlacher is happy because he made money on the whole deal. The official corporate sponsor is the only one who gets shafted, but they could probably lay a civil suit on Urlacher if they wanted to.

Comparing these violations to on field violations simply doesn't work...it really is comparing apples to oranges.
Link to the costs the NFL incurred by Urlacher wearing the cap?
How much does a super bowl 30 second ad cost again?
 
The NFL is much more savvy than you all give them credit for. Let us consider this situation.

Urlacher wears a non-approved sponsor hat during his SB interview and makes good coin doing it.

The advertiser, Vitaminwater, is tickled because they got huge exposure

The NFL says "wait a minute, Vitaminwater isn't our sponsor, something must be done!"

Two months after the SB they fine Urlacher and the NFL's official sponsors are happy.

Vitaminwater gets a double spot of coverage for the bargain rate of 100K.

Who lost in this issue? No one!

1. The official sponsors see the NFL covering their back so they're happy.

2. The NFL gets to build its brand by making news even outside of the season and looks like a protectors of their sponsor rights, so they're happy.

3. Urlacher won't have to pay since Vitamin water will probably cover the fine for him and he also gets some exposure in the off season, so he's happy.

4. Vitamin water got major press all over the place for $100K so you know they're happy.

The NFL played this just right and as you can see, everyone walked away happy.

 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
I must have heard the words VITAMIN WATER 50 times in the last two days.

That's some damn good publicity for only $100K.

I'm sure Urlacher will be reimbursed.
Dr. Z pretty much says the same thing in today's mailbag. Vitamin Water probably had Urlacher wear the stuff for the free publicity while agreeing to foot the bill for the fine. So the NFL is really fining the company, not Urlacher.
 
Bull Dozier said:
renesauz said:
The fine is way too low imo. If the NFL really wants to enforce this, they need to fine the player a substantial amount more than what the player got in compensation for the violation. LMAO at those who think the NFL is in the wrong here. And comparing this fine to other fines for on the field digressions is totally irrelevant.
I think fines for on field digressions are relevant, in that if the NFL is as interested in preventing illegal hits as they are for illegal publicity, the fines should be in line with each other, no? I understand Urlacher was being paid and therefor was able to offset his fine, but a safety who gets a reputation as a physical player due to illegal hits can offset his fine by earning a larger salary from a team in need of a physical player.I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think the NFL is wrong for fining Urlacher was they did, I think the NFL is wrong for not levying sufficient fines for illegal hits.
It's different though because when is the last time a player received a $1 million bonus for spearing somebody? This is clearly apples and oranges.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
You guys aren't thinking it through all the way. The fines for on field transgressions are paid by the player, and NOBODY MAKES A PROFIT FROM THEM.The NFL has set itself up to market products as a group instead of as individuals. When a company and player go around the league like this, they DIRECTLY cost the NFL money. Worse, unlike on-field transgressions which COST the player money, in these cases the PLAYER MAKES MONEY. A 10k fine like an on-field transgression simply doesn't work.

Now, the NFL knows that Urlacher won't personally pay this fine, but that's immaterial. The point is that the NFL collects money commensurate with what the advertising was actually worth while at the same time protecting the general interests of the official sponsors who paid ten times that amount to be the "official" sponsor.

Because it became such big news, and is being discussed like this, the water company is ecstatic to pay this fine. The NFL is dissapointed because the fine could have been double what it actually was. Urlacher is happy because he made money on the whole deal. The official corporate sponsor is the only one who gets shafted, but they could probably lay a civil suit on Urlacher if they wanted to.

Comparing these violations to on field violations simply doesn't work...it really is comparing apples to oranges.
Link to the costs the NFL incurred by Urlacher wearing the cap?
How much does a super bowl 30 second ad cost again?
Lost revenue does not equal a cost incurred. Whether or not Urlacher wore the cap, the NFL's revenue is directly uneffected.
 
The league is entirely in its rights to fine him for violating a clear rule, especially when all signs indicate that that violation was calculated and intentional.

Urlacher is entirely within his rights to flout the rule if he believes that the economics of the situation justify it. Obviously, he and Vitamin water determined that the value of the exposure as measured by an equivalent amount of "real" advertising, not to mention increased sales due to that exposure, were worth more than the fine he would almost certainly pay. They were right, and the part of me that always bucks under authority loves it. :headbang:

 
Bull Dozier said:
The fine is way too low imo. If the NFL really wants to enforce this, they need to fine the player a substantial amount more than what the player got in compensation for the violation. LMAO at those who think the NFL is in the wrong here. And comparing this fine to other fines for on the field digressions is totally irrelevant.
I think fines for on field digressions are relevant, in that if the NFL is as interested in preventing illegal hits as they are for illegal publicity, the fines should be in line with each other, no? I understand Urlacher was being paid and therefor was able to offset his fine, but a safety who gets a reputation as a physical player due to illegal hits can offset his fine by earning a larger salary from a team in need of a physical player.I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think the NFL is wrong for fining Urlacher was they did, I think the NFL is wrong for not levying sufficient fines for illegal hits.
It's different though because when is the last time a player received a $1 million bonus for spearing somebody? This is clearly apples and oranges.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
You guys aren't thinking it through all the way. The fines for on field transgressions are paid by the player, and NOBODY MAKES A PROFIT FROM THEM.The NFL has set itself up to market products as a group instead of as individuals. When a company and player go around the league like this, they DIRECTLY cost the NFL money. Worse, unlike on-field transgressions which COST the player money, in these cases the PLAYER MAKES MONEY. A 10k fine like an on-field transgression simply doesn't work.

Now, the NFL knows that Urlacher won't personally pay this fine, but that's immaterial. The point is that the NFL collects money commensurate with what the advertising was actually worth while at the same time protecting the general interests of the official sponsors who paid ten times that amount to be the "official" sponsor.

Because it became such big news, and is being discussed like this, the water company is ecstatic to pay this fine. The NFL is dissapointed because the fine could have been double what it actually was. Urlacher is happy because he made money on the whole deal. The official corporate sponsor is the only one who gets shafted, but they could probably lay a civil suit on Urlacher if they wanted to.

Comparing these violations to on field violations simply doesn't work...it really is comparing apples to oranges.
Link to the costs the NFL incurred by Urlacher wearing the cap?
How much does a super bowl 30 second ad cost again?
Lost revenue does not equal a cost incurred. Whether or not Urlacher wore the cap, the NFL's revenue is directly uneffected.
What do you think would happen if the NFL did nothing? You would probably end up with more players wearing more and more "unoffical" sponsors. The NFL sees none of that money, plus the value of being a Offical Sponsor of the NFL goes down. As contracts for the offical sponsors expire they become worth less.
 
Bull Dozier said:
The fine is way too low imo. If the NFL really wants to enforce this, they need to fine the player a substantial amount more than what the player got in compensation for the violation. LMAO at those who think the NFL is in the wrong here. And comparing this fine to other fines for on the field digressions is totally irrelevant.
I think fines for on field digressions are relevant, in that if the NFL is as interested in preventing illegal hits as they are for illegal publicity, the fines should be in line with each other, no? I understand Urlacher was being paid and therefor was able to offset his fine, but a safety who gets a reputation as a physical player due to illegal hits can offset his fine by earning a larger salary from a team in need of a physical player.I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think the NFL is wrong for fining Urlacher was they did, I think the NFL is wrong for not levying sufficient fines for illegal hits.
It's different though because when is the last time a player received a $1 million bonus for spearing somebody? This is clearly apples and oranges.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
You guys aren't thinking it through all the way. The fines for on field transgressions are paid by the player, and NOBODY MAKES A PROFIT FROM THEM.The NFL has set itself up to market products as a group instead of as individuals. When a company and player go around the league like this, they DIRECTLY cost the NFL money. Worse, unlike on-field transgressions which COST the player money, in these cases the PLAYER MAKES MONEY. A 10k fine like an on-field transgression simply doesn't work.

Now, the NFL knows that Urlacher won't personally pay this fine, but that's immaterial. The point is that the NFL collects money commensurate with what the advertising was actually worth while at the same time protecting the general interests of the official sponsors who paid ten times that amount to be the "official" sponsor.

Because it became such big news, and is being discussed like this, the water company is ecstatic to pay this fine. The NFL is dissapointed because the fine could have been double what it actually was. Urlacher is happy because he made money on the whole deal. The official corporate sponsor is the only one who gets shafted, but they could probably lay a civil suit on Urlacher if they wanted to.

Comparing these violations to on field violations simply doesn't work...it really is comparing apples to oranges.
Link to the costs the NFL incurred by Urlacher wearing the cap?
How much does a super bowl 30 second ad cost again?
Lost revenue does not equal a cost incurred. Whether or not Urlacher wore the cap, the NFL's revenue is directly uneffected.
What do you think would happen if the NFL did nothing? You would probably end up with more players wearing more and more "unoffical" sponsors. The NFL sees none of that money, plus the value of being a Offical Sponsor of the NFL goes down. As contracts for the offical sponsors expire they become worth less.
Good posting. How does Bull Dozier actually figure that the NFL's revenue is unaffected. Maybe in this particular instance it isn't. But, for every violation that goes unchecked or not, it definitely devalues the official sponsorship monies. How can you not see that? That's why if the NFL really wants to do something that has some teeth to it, it should be much more severe so that players would never be so stupid to try a stunt like that again. One might even get a philosophical about this and say that this stunt promotes "environmental" or "societal" costs. After all, how much other money and time has been wasted discussing this issue through the press and on this board? Yeah, maybe that's a small stretch, but the NFL should set the guidelines up so that this is never a viable option for any player to take.

 
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Bull Dozier said:
The fine is way too low imo. If the NFL really wants to enforce this, they need to fine the player a substantial amount more than what the player got in compensation for the violation. LMAO at those who think the NFL is in the wrong here. And comparing this fine to other fines for on the field digressions is totally irrelevant.
I think fines for on field digressions are relevant, in that if the NFL is as interested in preventing illegal hits as they are for illegal publicity, the fines should be in line with each other, no? I understand Urlacher was being paid and therefor was able to offset his fine, but a safety who gets a reputation as a physical player due to illegal hits can offset his fine by earning a larger salary from a team in need of a physical player.I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think the NFL is wrong for fining Urlacher was they did, I think the NFL is wrong for not levying sufficient fines for illegal hits.
It's different though because when is the last time a player received a $1 million bonus for spearing somebody? This is clearly apples and oranges.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
You guys aren't thinking it through all the way. The fines for on field transgressions are paid by the player, and NOBODY MAKES A PROFIT FROM THEM.The NFL has set itself up to market products as a group instead of as individuals. When a company and player go around the league like this, they DIRECTLY cost the NFL money. Worse, unlike on-field transgressions which COST the player money, in these cases the PLAYER MAKES MONEY. A 10k fine like an on-field transgression simply doesn't work.

Now, the NFL knows that Urlacher won't personally pay this fine, but that's immaterial. The point is that the NFL collects money commensurate with what the advertising was actually worth while at the same time protecting the general interests of the official sponsors who paid ten times that amount to be the "official" sponsor.

Because it became such big news, and is being discussed like this, the water company is ecstatic to pay this fine. The NFL is dissapointed because the fine could have been double what it actually was. Urlacher is happy because he made money on the whole deal. The official corporate sponsor is the only one who gets shafted, but they could probably lay a civil suit on Urlacher if they wanted to.

Comparing these violations to on field violations simply doesn't work...it really is comparing apples to oranges.
Link to the costs the NFL incurred by Urlacher wearing the cap?
How much does a super bowl 30 second ad cost again?
Lost revenue does not equal a cost incurred. Whether or not Urlacher wore the cap, the NFL's revenue is directly uneffected.
So do you mind if I come over a put a billboard in your yard?
 

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