NFL MVP race as of today.... (1 Viewer)

[Carter_Can_Fly]

So far there is Rodgers as the shoe in, but who is next in line? It almost always is a QB, but I have included other positional players that are having amazing individual seasons on winning teams. I also only included players off of teams with a winning record. Shady Mccoy may enter this discussion as we move forward as he has been awesome this year, but the Eagles have a losing record.

Brees

343 passing yards per game

70.6 completion percentage

2.375 td's per game passing

1.1 ints

100.6 QB rating

Team record 6 and 2

Eli

303 passing yards per game

65 completion percentage

1.8 td's per game

.71 ints per game

102.1 QB rating

Team Record 5 and 2

Brady

337 passing yards per game

68 completioin percentage

2.6 td's per game

1.1 ints per game

104.4 QB rating

Team Record 5 and 2

Stafford

272 passing yards per game

61 completion percentage

2.3 td's per game

.5 ints per game

99.1 QB rating

Team Record 6 and 2

Fred Jackson

103 rush yards per game

50.4 receiving yards per game

3.8 receptions per game

.85 td's per game

Team Record 5 and 2

Forte

96 rushing yards per game

59.8 receiving yards per game

5.43 receptions per game

.42 td's per game

Team Record 4 and 3

Welker

117 receiving yards per game

8.1 receptions per game

.75 td's per game

Team Record 5 and 2

Calvin Johnson

100.5 receving yards per game

5.9 receptions per game

1.4 td's per game

Team Record 6 and 2

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

It is really tough to say who is second. But having watched most of the Bears games up to this point, I don't know how they would even advance the ball on offense without Forte in there. Their O line is awful yet he is managing almost 100 yards a game rushing and is leading the team in receptions. He averages as many catches per week as Calvin, all be it many are check downs and screens, but he is having an absolutely amazing year.

 

[David Yudkin]

As is usually the case, the "valuable" side of the equation normally doesn't make too much into MVP balloting. Team record will play a big factor in this, so too soon to tell.

If one of the teams from these candidates won out and the Packers started losing it would get interesting. None of the QBs in this list really stand out over the others (and also don't stack up as well to Rodgers).

For non QBs, unless someone is having a season for the ages, playing for a nonplayoff team is usually instant death in MVP voting.

Also, WRs generally don't get any love in the voting. That almost rules Welker and Megatron out on that basis alone.

 

[CentralPA]

I think eventually you'll have to add Shady McCoy to that list. Especially if the Eagles dig themselves out of their early hole and end up becoming the division leaders. He also has a higher avg rsh yrds per game than both Forte and Jackson as well as more TDs.

 

[Fullback Fro]

I think eventually you'll have to add Shady McCoy to that list. Especially if the Eagles dig themselves out of their early hole and end up becoming the division leaders. He also has a higher avg rsh yrds per game than both Forte and Jackson as well as more TDs.

seconded

 

[ponchsox]

As a Patriots fan, I don't think Brady should be in the MVP discussion this year. Is it his fault the defense is horrid? No, but he already has double the amount of interceptions he had all of last year through 7 games. Last year he was amazing, this year is good but not spectacular.

Rodgers seems like a shoe in. If the Giants continue to roll I can see a case for Eli. He is playing the best football of his career and the Giants would be as bad as the Colts without him.

 

[David Yudkin]

If for some reason the MVP is not a QB (a QB gets it like 70% of the time) . . .

Yards from scrimmage per game . . .

1 Matt Forte 155.86

2 Fred Jackson 153.43

3 Arian Foster 141.50

4 LeSean McCoy 127.43

5 Ray Rice 123.14

6 Ryan Mathews 121.57

7 Wes Welker 120.43

8 Steve Smith 117.00

9 Adrian Peterson 115.38

10 Jahvid Best 112.83

11 Darren McFadden 109.71

12 Frank Gore 106.57

As far as Brady goes, he went on a tear to end the season (including his crazy no INT streak). ANything can happen the rest of the way. If Brady had a similar stretch and the Pats won out to be 14-2 again, he could get back near the top of the MVP list. Way too soon to rule many folks in or out of the race at this point.

 

[FUBAR]

He won't win, but I voted Fred Jackson - apparently many people here agree. I don't see the Bills being in the race without him.

Although the criteria is different, but Dareus deserves recognition in the ROY race. Won't win it, but he's been great for them.

 

[mr roboto]

In before the stupid Peyton Manning argument.

 

[Kenny Powers]

No Roethlisberger?

 

[jon_mx]

Rogers name is already on the award. Not sure anyone cares who comes in second.

 

[CentralPA]

If for some reason the MVP is not a QB (a QB gets it like 70% of the time) . . .

Yards from scrimmage per game . . .

1 Matt Forte 155.86

2 Fred Jackson 153.43

3 Arian Foster 141.50

4 LeSean McCoy 127.43

5 Ray Rice 123.14

6 Ryan Mathews 121.57

7 Wes Welker 120.43

8 Steve Smith 117.00

9 Adrian Peterson 115.38

10 Jahvid Best 112.83

11 Darren McFadden 109.71

12 Frank Gore 106.57

As far as Brady goes, he went on a tear to end the season (including his crazy no INT streak). ANything can happen the rest of the way. If Brady had a similar stretch and the Pats won out to be 14-2 again, he could get back near the top of the MVP list. Way too soon to rule many folks in or out of the race at this point.

That was the one stat I was looking for to help my vote for LeSean but obvious Jackson and Forte are blowing everyone else away right now.

 

[Smack Tripper]

To ms,' it's Eli. So incredibly underrated, but he's clutch and he turns guys who should be parking cars into viable NFL weapons. Jint fans panicked when boss and s.smith left and they have turned into afterthoughts while ballard and Cruz seamlessly integrated into their former roles. It's clear the common denominator is Eli. I'm sure his stats will take a traditional second half stat dip that all jets and giants in the meadowlands do playing in a steady 30-40mph wind,'particular for the 4pm and night games.

This giants team stinks and yea they've played a soft schedule but boy if the could ever win that division and they'd have to beat the cowboys and eagles to do it, that would be something. They're AT BEST a five win team without Eli.

 

[biggamer3]

To ms,' it's Eli. So incredibly underrated, but he's clutch and he turns guys who should be parking cars into viable NFL weapons. Jint fans panicked when boss and s.smith left and they have turned into afterthoughts while ballard and Cruz seamlessly integrated into their former roles. It's clear the common denominator is Eli. I'm sure his stats will take a traditional second half stat dip that all jets and giants in the meadowlands do playing in a steady 30-40mph wind,'particular for the 4pm and night games. This giants team stinks and yea they've played a soft schedule but boy if the could ever win that division and they'd have to beat the cowboys and eagles to do it, that would be something. They're AT BEST a five win team without Eli.

Without Eli they lose, bills, cardinals, eagles game. Probably dolphin game as well. Eli should get more credit finally

 

[HoTnickZ]

Don't think Eli is top 10 personally

 

[maxwjom0]

No Roethlisberger?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

For those that want Shady I mentioned in my original post that to qualify he needs to be on a team with a winning record and for the time being he is not.

Big Ben has not been as good as the other QB's on the list and therefore he is not in the running as of now.

Eli has been underrated both in fantasy and the real NFL for the last few years. He is going to go over 4000 plus yards and 27 plus TD's for the 3rd straight year in a row.

Like I said if Forte can keep up this ridiculous pace and the bears make the playoffs then he would be my dark horse if Rodgers play falls off a bit.

Brady may have more ints than previous years, but his stats and rating speak for themself.

 

[CentralPA]

For those that want Shady I mentioned in my original post that to qualify he needs to be on a team with a winning record and for the time being he is not.

Give it two weeks

 

[eaglezzz]

It has to be Fred Jackson. No one is more valuable to their team right now in the NFL

 

[Evilgrin 72]

For those that want Shady I mentioned in my original post that to qualify he needs to be on a team with a winning record and for the time being he is not.

Big Ben has not been as good as the other QB's on the list and therefore he is not in the running as of now.

Eli has been underrated both in fantasy and the real NFL for the last few years. He is going to go over 4000 plus yards and 27 plus TD's for the 3rd straight year in a row.

Like I said if Forte can keep up this ridiculous pace and the bears make the playoffs then he would be my dark horse if Rodgers play falls off a bit.

Brady may have more ints than previous years, but his stats and rating speak for themself.

Mike Sando's NFC West blog on ESPN.com as of today says :1. Rodgers

2. Roethlisberger

3. Gore

4. Brady

5. Forte

FWIW...

 

[jonboltz]

Big Ben has not been as good as the other QB's on the list and therefore he is not in the running as of now.

He got off to an awful start but has been fantastic over the last month. 4600 yards and 30 touchdowns are a possibility, and if they get 13 or so wins this year, he will be right up there.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

It has to be Fred Jackson. No one is more valuable to their team right now in the NFL

Forte.Forte is averaging more yards per game and has a worst supporting cast around him.Fitzpatrick 14 td's to 7 ints and 1739 yards passing > Cutler's 1709 yards, 9 td's and 6 intsStevie Johnson the Bills number 1 WR 39 catches, 439 yards and 4 td's > Hester's 21 catches, 308 yards and 1 td.Heck David Nelson the bills WR 2 has 366 yards and 2 TD's.Forte is getting the bare minimum help and yet producing the most yardage per game in the NFL. Absolutely amazing what Forte is doing. Forte is making up 46.2 % of his teams offense Fred Jackson is making up 38.6 % of his teams offense.Forte is also on pace to do something Marshal Faulk and Roger Craig were able to do. 1000 yards receiving and 1000 yards rushing. The difference is Craig and Faulk were playing on elite offenses, while Forte is playing on a very average offense.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Surprised that outside of appearing at the top of one list Forte ins't getting more love in this thread.

He has been consistently solid, both in the ground and receiving attack, and has carried the entire offence on his shoulders all year.

There is no doubt that the Bears success this year -- at a fairly respectable 4-3 in a tough division with the undefeated Packers and the rejuvenated Lions -- is entirely owed to Forte.

ETA: Great post, Carter -- I was typing while you were posting!

 

[Vision6]

Fred Jackson

 

[Khy]

Don't think Eli is top 10 personally

***WARNING*** Giants homerWill the Eli hate ever stop? I mean literally will it ever stop? The guy won a Super Bowl against possibly the best team ever. He has had several very good NFL seasons statistically and this year the only person you could argue has played better than him through 8 weeks is Rodgers. The rest of that pack all had 2-3 terrible games. What more could the guy possibly do before he is considered an elite NFL QB? I'm talking from a reality and not a fantasy perspective. For the season he is 3rd in QB Rating, 6th in YPG and 2nd in YPA. You are right he isn't a Top 10 he is a Top 5. People want to get on top of him because he doesn't show emotion on the field. People don't think he is a good leader. The fact is the players around him (besides Tiki) disagree. That is all that matters in that discussion.

 

[Wingnut]

I see someone finally mentioned Gore. His name definitely should be on the list of candidates.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Gore was too dreadful the first three weeks of the season (43% of the 49ers season thus far) to be a top candidate, IMO. Roethlisberger was also nothing special the first month of the season. Philly's subpar record keeps McCoy out of the conversation for now.

Rodgers is obviously number 1 by a wide distance right now, with Brady, Eli, Fred Jackson, Calvin and Forte in the next tier.

 

[Phantom Knight]

Brees

Eli

Brady

Stafford

Fred Jackson

Forte

Welker

Calvin Johnson

Not that he would get my vote at the end of today. But he is at least in my discussion on this topic. I am surprised that Cam Newton doesn't get even a mention here (even though his team has a losing record). A rookie qb, without training camp, doing what has not been done in a good while - returning THE Steve Smith to WR1 status. Though the Panther's record is horrid, they very easily could have won several more games if their defense wasn't so porous. And certainly the buzz is back for the Panthers.

I know it is a team sport, but much of the credit, in my opinion, should be laid at Cam's feet.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

Peyton Manning and it's not even close!

 

[David Yudkin]

Forte is also on pace to do something Marshal Faulk and Roger Craig were able to do. 1000 yards receiving and 1000 yards rushing. The difference is Craig and Faulk were playing on elite offenses, while Forte is playing on a very average offense.

Faulk went 1,000/1,000 in 1999 and got 8 votes for MVP, finishing a distant T-2nd to Kurt Warner.Craig went 1,000/1,000 in 1985 and did not win (don't know the voting). Marcus Allen won the MVP.So Forte repeating that feat could also result in another RB not winning MVP.

 

[David Yudkin]

Peyton Manning and it's not even close!

If 0 votes = MVP, then I am right there with you.

 

[Kenny Powers]

No Roethlisberger?

Its certainly Rodgers to lose right now, but like every year, Ben is underrated. The entire team started out rough, not just him. The team, as well as Ben, have not only conviced fans but even the media they were dead in the water but now arguably the team to beat after GB.Over the last 4 weeks, Roethlisberger is 1st in TDs and 3rd in yards. Byes account to a degree, but you still cant doubt the numbers. Fantasy pts dont = MVP, but over the past month, he's the #1 QB and only behind AD and Foster overall. Those stats mean nothing, but I think what is meaningful is that he's playing much better than people realize.I like people talking Forte as another underrated guy as well. He could be the real darkhorse if CHI can somehow make the playoffs

 

[AmosMoses]

Peyton Manning.

 

[Ladsud]

Think ill go with Jim Brown, Peyton Manning is a close second.

Ben gets my vote if he was in the poll.

 

[jojoh07]

It has to be Fred Jackson. No one is more valuable to their team right now in the NFL

you can make the same argument for Forte

 

[massraider]

Peyton Manning.

Came here to post this.

 

[Ladsud]

Peyton Manning.

Came here to post this.

Why not Jim Brown? Or perhaps Barry Sanders?

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Peyton Manning.

Came here to post this.

Why not Jim Brown? Or perhaps Barry Sanders?

 

[Donnybrook]

The case for Matt Forte: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/21/matt-forte-even-better-than-his-stats-look/

 

[Reepicheep]

Don't think Eli is top 10 personally

***WARNING*** Giants homerWill the Eli hate ever stop? I mean literally will it ever stop? The guy won a Super Bowl against possibly the best team ever. He has had several very good NFL seasons statistically and this year the only person you could argue has played better than him through 8 weeks is Rodgers. The rest of that pack all had 2-3 terrible games. What more could the guy possibly do before he is considered an elite NFL QB? I'm talking from a reality and not a fantasy perspective. For the season he is 3rd in QB Rating, 6th in YPG and 2nd in YPA. You are right he isn't a Top 10 he is a Top 5. People want to get on top of him because he doesn't show emotion on the field. People don't think he is a good leader. The fact is the players around him (besides Tiki) disagree. That is all that matters in that discussion.

Eli has made a career out of showing flashes of greatness and then regressing. He has one great season 2009, and a couple of good ones, 2008 and 2010. People want to see some consistency before they consider someone elite.There is also something of a head-to-head factor. Last year he lost to every top QB he went against. (Peyton, Vick, Rodgers) In 2009 he lost to Brees, Warner, Rivers, and Favre. Those were team losses of course, but these sorts of things affect perception. Obviously in 2007 he played great in the playoffs, won the whole taco, and beat Brady to do it. But then followed up with a classic Eli turd in the 2008 playoffs, and hasn't been back to the playoffs since. There is a relevance factor for elite QBs, and he hasn't had it recently. If he out-duels Brady this week, it will certainly have people talking.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Forte is also on pace to do something Marshal Faulk and Roger Craig were able to do. 1000 yards receiving and 1000 yards rushing. The difference is Craig and Faulk were playing on elite offenses, while Forte is playing on a very average offense.

Faulk went 1,000/1,000 in 1999 and got 8 votes for MVP, finishing a distant T-2nd to Kurt Warner.Craig went 1,000/1,000 in 1985 and did not win (don't know the voting). Marcus Allen won the MVP.So Forte repeating that feat could also result in another RB not winning MVP.

I get your point, but Kurt Warner's year of 41 td's and 4350 yards in 1999 were crazy and the Rams were an awesome team and offense. Once again Forte is doing that with Cutler having an average year with an average offense. Chicago would need to make playoffs and Forte would have to continue to put up monster nnumbers to even have a chance especially if Rodgers and the Packers continue this crazy play.With Allen a rb winning it in 1985, I am sure Craig was not far behind.Allen played on a 12 and 4 team and had 1759 yards rushing and 11 tds, with 67 receptions for 555 yards receiving and 3 tds... Total yards 2314 yards and 15 tds.Craig played on a 10 and 6 team and had 1050 yards rushing with 9 td's and 92 receptions for 1016 yards and 6 more td's for 2066 ttotal yards and 15 td's.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Aaron Rodgers is the obvious choice... But my 2nd choice would probably be Lesean McCoy.. I think the Eagles will get rolling and he is playing lights out this year.. He looks like the Tazmanian devil when he runs the ball and has so many people miss this year it is ridiculous

Cam Newton is definitely the Rookie of the Year as he has transformed that offense from worst to Top 5... If their defense would play better he would definitely be a MVP candidate as he has carried that team.. They could very easily be 6-2 instead of 2-6

 

[CentralPA]

Don't think Eli is top 10 personally

***WARNING*** Giants homerWill the Eli hate ever stop? I mean literally will it ever stop? The guy won a Super Bowl against possibly the best team ever. He has had several very good NFL seasons statistically and this year the only person you could argue has played better than him through 8 weeks is Rodgers. The rest of that pack all had 2-3 terrible games. What more could the guy possibly do before he is considered an elite NFL QB? I'm talking from a reality and not a fantasy perspective. For the season he is 3rd in QB Rating, 6th in YPG and 2nd in YPA. You are right he isn't a Top 10 he is a Top 5. People want to get on top of him because he doesn't show emotion on the field. People don't think he is a good leader. The fact is the players around him (besides Tiki) disagree. That is all that matters in that discussion.

If he gets through these next 5 weeks without a losing record and bad stats he has a pretty good shot. As an Eagles fan it sucks to say but he's played better than any of the QBs so far in the NFC East.

 

[rizzler]

Truly most valuable?

Hard not to say Fred Jackson.

But realistically speaking... this is the NFL.

 

[shnikies]

It's clearly Rodgers right now. He's the QB and best player on an undefeated team. If we're talking about 2nd then it's Forte with Jackson just behind him. Forte isn't just a majority of the Bears offense, he is the Bears offense. It's the Most Valuable Player award. Outside of Rodgers, how can you argue Forte isn't the most valuable player to his respective team?

 

[DeaLerZ]

I agree Forte is that entire offense, but they have to start playingbetter for him to have a chance their DEF is 27th overall

 

[Ghost Rider]

Aaron Rodgers is the obvious choice... But my 2nd choice would probably be Lesean McCoy.. I think the Eagles will get rolling and he is playing lights out this year.. He looks like the Tazmanian devil when he runs the ball and has so many people miss this year it is ridiculous

I agree that McCoy has been awesome this year (not sure who would actually disagree with that), but his team is 3-4, so his stellar play has not contributed to a winning record for his team, which all but disqualifies him from MVP talk for now.

 

[dharmapunk]

Although the criteria is different, but Dareus deserves recognition in the ROY race. Won't win it, but he's been great for them.

He'll make a strong case for DROY. Who else has been as dominant?

 

[Wingnut]

Although the criteria is different, but Dareus deserves recognition in the ROY race. Won't win it, but he's been great for them.

He'll make a strong case for DROY. Who else has been as dominant?

Aldon Smith, San Francisco, thats who. (NFL Defensive Rookie of the Month for Oct)Season stats thru week 8:Smith: 6.5 sacks, 13 tackles (12 solo), a forced fumble, 3 passes defended, 1 safetyDareus: 3.5 sacks, 19 tackles (13 solo), 1 pass defended

 

[BobbyLayne]

Stafford is on pace for:

4300 Yards

38 TDs

8 INT

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Calvin gets his with backups and third stringers chucking it; but no way is Detroit 6-2 without John Matthew leading the way. No running game whatsoever. Two on the road comebacks of 20 points or more (0-20 and 3-24). Four of the six wins are against teams with a winning record.

Guess folks take it for granted already, but he's the best Lions QB in 54 years, and likely to be the first pro bowler at the position for them since 1972.