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[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

There have been spoken and unspoken claims of racism in the NFL for decades, starting with player opportunities leading to coaching opportunities (or lack thereof) that continues to be an issue in the sport at any level. There is no doubt this is a problem that needs to continue to be addressed.

Watching the NFL Network, particularly Jamie Dukes, Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders, I get a sense that they believe controversial issues in the league - Alex Smith vs. Mike Singletary in San Francisco; Reid benching Vick in favor of Kolb next week; Vince Young getting benched yesterday after three picks and a fumble - include racism among their respective roots.

Now I highly doubt that racism is present in each of these cases, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the league. I just don't think it should be an undercurrent in week-by-week analysis, nor do I think it should be danced around. If you're going to insinuate it, say it. Like Deion just said to Irvin to conclude the Titans-Steelers analysis, "just say what you feel."

Am I alone in thinking this? Maybe I am.

 

[benm3218]

wrong forum

 

[FavreCo]

There have been spoken and unspoken claims of racism in the NFL for decades, starting with player opportunities leading to coaching opportunities (or lack thereof) that continues to be an issue in the sport at any level. There is no doubt this is a problem that needs to continue to be addressed.

Watching the NFL Network, particularly Jamie Dukes, Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders, I get a sense that they believe controversial issues in the league - Alex Smith vs. Mike Singletary in San Francisco; Reid benching Vick in favor of Kolb next week; Vince Young getting benched yesterday after three picks and a fumble - include racism among their respective roots.

Now I highly doubt that racism is present in each of these cases, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the league. I just don't think it should be an undercurrent in week-by-week analysis, nor do I think it should be danced around. If you're going to insinuate it, say it. Like Deion just said to Irvin to conclude the Texans-Steelers analysis, "just say what you feel."

Am I alone in thinking this? Maybe I am.

No. They are just stupid.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

There have been spoken and unspoken claims of racism in the NFL for decades, starting with player opportunities leading to coaching opportunities (or lack thereof) that continues to be an issue in the sport at any level. There is no doubt this is a problem that needs to continue to be addressed.

Watching the NFL Network, particularly Jamie Dukes, Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders, I get a sense that they believe controversial issues in the league - Alex Smith vs. Mike Singletary in San Francisco; Reid benching Vick in favor of Kolb next week; Vince Young getting benched yesterday after three picks and a fumble - include racism among their respective roots.

Now I highly doubt that racism is present in each of these cases, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the league. I just don't think it should be an undercurrent in week-by-week analysis, nor do I think it should be danced around. If you're going to insinuate it, say it. Like Deion just said to Irvin to conclude the Texans-Steelers analysis, "just say what you feel."

Am I alone in thinking this? Maybe I am.

No. They are just stupid.

Racist.

 

[Concept Coop]

Black coaches are fired faster than white coaches. Racism exists in the NFL. That FACT proves it. I have not seen a study on black QBs, but I am willing to bet they get less of a chance too.

You are not alone, but you are not going to get the response that you want on an internet forum.

 

[Todem]

Tired of this. I am just really tired of this.

I guess when every player and coach is only Black then some black former players will have nothing to cry about.

I totally disagreed with Fisher taking out Vince Young yesterday. Bad move and it sends a bad meesage to the team. But to come out and suspect racisim is a joke.

Michael Vick going back to the bench racisim? Since when do you lose your job when you get injured. I can assure you if Kolb flops and that teamm struggles Vick will be back in the lineup in a NY minute.

Jamrcus Russell. Number 1 overal pick in the NFL a few years back, get's a boatload of cash. He sucked. He is out of the league. Was it racisit?

When have you seen a player in the modern era benched because of color?

Black head coaches are gaining and will get even larger in numbers. That area has long been a bone of contention and i agree with that contention

But players?

Stop it already.

 

[Jewell]

Interesting topic. You're not alone, I sense some of that too. Particularly with regard to the Philly QB position. It's laughable since Donovan was Andy's guy for a decade, but sadly that sentiment is out there. The issue where it was most prevalent, though, was when a lot of players and commentators were calling for Goodell to hit Roethlisberger with a big suspension.

For the most part, though, I think there's way less racism in sports than everyday American life. Interracial interaction usually leads to better interracial understanding.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

wrong forum

Disagree. I think it's important to understand what drives team-by-team and player-by-player analysis. Would a thread on "who are the best analysts on NFL network" fit in the Shark Pool? I think so. It's smart thing to try to understand what drives or influences an analyst's opinion, particuarly as subjectivity should rarely be part of that analysis.

 

[FavreCo]

There have been spoken and unspoken claims of racism in the NFL for decades, starting with player opportunities leading to coaching opportunities (or lack thereof) that continues to be an issue in the sport at any level. There is no doubt this is a problem that needs to continue to be addressed.

Watching the NFL Network, particularly Jamie Dukes, Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders, I get a sense that they believe controversial issues in the league - Alex Smith vs. Mike Singletary in San Francisco; Reid benching Vick in favor of Kolb next week; Vince Young getting benched yesterday after three picks and a fumble - include racism among their respective roots.

Now I highly doubt that racism is present in each of these cases, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the league. I just don't think it should be an undercurrent in week-by-week analysis, nor do I think it should be danced around. If you're going to insinuate it, say it. Like Deion just said to Irvin to conclude the Texans-Steelers analysis, "just say what you feel."

Am I alone in thinking this? Maybe I am.

No. They are just stupid.

Racist.

So those three clowns are smart? Is that what you are telling me?

Irvin thinks Vinc Yung can win a superbowl. Dukes thinks Matt Ryan is a bum. Deion. Where should I start?

 

[Concept Coop]

Interesting topic. You're not alone, I sense some of that too. Particularly with regard to the Philly QB position. It's laughable since Donovan was Andy's guy for a decade, but sadly that sentiment is out there. The issue where it was most prevalent, though, was when a lot of players and commentators were calling for Goodell to hit Roethlisberger with a big suspension.

For the most part, though, I think there's way less racism in sports than everyday American life. Interracial interaction usually leads to better interracial understanding.

I would agree with you. Racism seems to be less of an issue in the military too, when you men and women of all backgrounds are fighting together for a common goal. The Philly situation is one of the more clear examples in my mind too. Trading the VERY BEST QB your franchise has EVER had, in division...because you have a 2nd round prospect that fumbled too much in college and doesn't have all world physical tools...

 

[VaTerp]

Would be helpful to know exactly what quotes form the Irvin, Dukes, and Sanders you feel reflects that they feel an undercurrent of racism in these decisions.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Interesting topic. You're not alone, I sense some of that too. Particularly with regard to the Philly QB position. It's laughable since Donovan was Andy's guy for a decade, but sadly that sentiment is out there. The issue where it was most prevalent, though, was when a lot of players and commentators were calling for Goodell to hit Roethlisberger with a big suspension.

For the most part, though, I think there's way less racism in sports than everyday American life. Interracial interaction usually leads to better interracial understanding.

I would agree with you. Racism seems to be less of an issue in the military too, when you men and women of all backgrounds are fighting together for a common goal. The Philly situation is one of the more clear examples in my mind too. Trading the VERY BEST QB your franchise has EVER had, in division...because you have a 2nd round prospect that fumbled too much in college and doesn't have all world physical tools...

Are you seriously suggesting that the Eagles traded McNabb because Andy Reid is racist?

 

[Carver]

No. Racism doesnt exist in the league. There is nothing for them to base their outrageous claims and or suspicions on.

 

[Keepers]

Would be helpful to know exactly what quotes form the Irvin, Dukes, and Sanders you feel reflects that they feel an undercurrent of racism in these decisions.

Please no quotes from Irvin. Having to hear him talk is bad enough, rather not read what he says too.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Would be helpful to know exactly what quotes form the Irvin, Dukes, and Sanders you feel reflects that they feel an undercurrent of racism in these decisions.

If you get NFL Network, try to watch the breakdown of the Tennessee game. This is where I felt it most. In other cases, I think it is far more subtle. For example, I think Jamie Duke's defense of Singletary may have been an example of Duke defending a black coach and black OC without a willingness to assign any significant blame or fault with either after last week's performance.If I had transcripts, I'd share it, but I don't think it does it justice. Just watch the Tenn-Pitt breakdown.

 

[Da Guru]

Sanders always thinks it is racism..watch his face and body language when he was talking about Young getting yanked.

The problem I see with Young is that Jeff Fisher never wanted to draft Young, so Fish has never been 100% in Youngs corner because he is not his guy.

 

[JMJ]

Players need to perform to get paid. Coaches need to win games in order to keep their jobs and get paid. Owners need to win in order to fill their stadiums and get paid. Etc.

The NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry with every person looking out for themselves and trying to keep themselves getting paid. No coach would go with a lesser QB (or any other position player) because he is white if he doesn't feel it gives him the best chance of winning, thus retaining his job, thus continuing to get paid. Same as Mike Tomlin will not start Dennis Dixon or Charlie Batch over Ben Roethlisberger when he returns from suspension just because they are black. He is going to start the guy who gives them the best chance of winning, thus him retaining his job, thus him continuing to get paid.

The only ... ONLY ... color that matters in the NFL is green.

 

[belljr]

Players need to perform to get paid. Coaches need to win games in order to keep their jobs and get paid. Owners need to win in order to fill their stadiums and get paid. Etc.

The NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry with every person looking out for themselves and trying to keep themselves getting paid. No coach would go with a lesser QB (or any other position player) because he is white if he doesn't feel it gives him the best chance of winning, thus retaining his job, thus continuing to get paid. Same as Mike Tomlin will not start Dennis Dixon or Charlie Batch over Ben Roethlisberger when he returns from suspension just because they are black. He is going to start the guy who gives them the best chance of winning, thus him retaining his job, thus him continuing to get paid.

The only ... ONLY ... color that matters in the NFL is green.

If the Steelers are 4-0 they are still starting Ben. Obviously because Tomlin is a racist.

I'm sure it may exist among owners or some front office people but among coaches during a game

They lose they lose their job also. they are playing the guy they think gives them the best chance to win

 

[Concept Coop]

There have been spoken and unspoken claims of racism in the NFL for decades, starting with player opportunities leading to coaching opportunities (or lack thereof) that continues to be an issue in the sport at any level. There is no doubt this is a problem that needs to continue to be addressed.

Watching the NFL Network, particularly Jamie Dukes, Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders, I get a sense that they believe controversial issues in the league - Alex Smith vs. Mike Singletary in San Francisco; Reid benching Vick in favor of Kolb next week; Vince Young getting benched yesterday after three picks and a fumble - include racism among their respective roots.

Now I highly doubt that racism is present in each of these cases, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the league. I just don't think it should be an undercurrent in week-by-week analysis, nor do I think it should be danced around. If you're going to insinuate it, say it. Like Deion just said to Irvin to conclude the Texans-Steelers analysis, "just say what you feel."

Am I alone in thinking this? Maybe I am.

No. They are just stupid.

Racist.

So those three clowns are smart? Is that what you are telling me?

Irvin thinks Vinc Yung can win a superbowl. Dukes thinks Matt Ryan is a bum. Deion. Where should I start?

Vince Young wins games. Look at his record as a starter. No reason to laugh at anyone that suggests he could be the QB on a Superbowl team. Again, it has been statistically proven that black coaches don't get the chances that white coaches do. There is nothing stupid about bringing it up.

 

[TBIST]

I would agree that Irvin was hinting at racism but he didn't have the balls to say it. Can't say the same thing about the rest of the crew you mentioned (I think it's pretty clear Jamie Dukes isn't racist with his Lord Favre crush). Anyways, I really don't think racism is an issue in the NFL as far as on the field. It's sorta like how I feel about affirmative action in general, it's not necessary. NFL GMs/Coaches are in the business of winning to keep their jobs, they're going to put out the best players to win regardless of race (Just as Employers are going to hire the best candidates for jobs, those who hire less competent employees over more competent minority candidates will not last in a free market environment. The better minority candidates will get hired by the competition and efficiency is how stay in the black (no pun intended)). Lastly, Michael Irvin is a cokehead and I wouldn't put too much stock in his opinions.

 

[PahtyTom]

yes I do agree it is racist how they compare every white wr to wes welker

 

[FavreCo]

Vince Young wins games. Look at his record as a starter. No reason to laugh at anyone that suggests he could be the QB on a Superbowl team. Again, it has been statistically proven that black coaches don't get the chances that white coaches do. There is nothing stupid about bringing it up.

Vince Young does not win games. Collins went 13-3 the year before. BFD. Has nothing to do with Collins or Young. IT was all about Defense and/or Chris Johnson.

 

[belljr]

There have been spoken and unspoken claims of racism in the NFL for decades, starting with player opportunities leading to coaching opportunities (or lack thereof) that continues to be an issue in the sport at any level. There is no doubt this is a problem that needs to continue to be addressed.

Watching the NFL Network, particularly Jamie Dukes, Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders, I get a sense that they believe controversial issues in the league - Alex Smith vs. Mike Singletary in San Francisco; Reid benching Vick in favor of Kolb next week; Vince Young getting benched yesterday after three picks and a fumble - include racism among their respective roots.

Now I highly doubt that racism is present in each of these cases, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the league. I just don't think it should be an undercurrent in week-by-week analysis, nor do I think it should be danced around. If you're going to insinuate it, say it. Like Deion just said to Irvin to conclude the Texans-Steelers analysis, "just say what you feel."

Am I alone in thinking this? Maybe I am.

No. They are just stupid.

Racist.

So those three clowns are smart? Is that what you are telling me?

Irvin thinks Vinc Yung can win a superbowl. Dukes thinks Matt Ryan is a bum. Deion. Where should I start?

Vince Young wins games. Look at his record as a starter. No reason to laugh at anyone that suggests he could be the QB on a Superbowl team. Again, it has been statistically proven that black coaches don't get the chances that white coaches do. There is nothing stupid about bringing it up.

So you think a guy who coughed the ball up 4 times and was down right awful got pulled yeseterday because he is black?Not just a bad day and see if we can spark the team, oh btw they almost cameback with the other qb

How come no one complains when they doubt Gerhart because he is a white rb.

 

[Concept Coop]

Players need to perform to get paid. Coaches need to win games in order to keep their jobs and get paid. Owners need to win in order to fill their stadiums and get paid. Etc.The NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry with every person looking out for themselves and trying to keep themselves getting paid. No coach would go with a lesser QB (or any other position player) because he is white if he doesn't feel it gives him the best chance of winning, thus retaining his job, thus continuing to get paid. Same as Mike Tomlin will not start Dennis Dixon or Charlie Batch over Ben Roethlisberger when he returns from suspension just because they are black. He is going to start the guy who gives them the best chance of winning, thus him retaining his job, thus him continuing to get paid.The only ... ONLY ... color that matters in the NFL is green.

How can you say this? Again, it has been PROVEN that black coaches are fired faster than white coaches, even when production is similar. Not to mention they are not hired as often either.

 

[Concept Coop]

So you think a guy who coughed the ball up 4 times and was down right awful got pulled yeseterday because he is black?Not just a bad day and see if we can spark the team, oh btw they almost cameback with the other qbHow come no one complains when they doubt Gerhart because he is a white rb.

I am not saying that at all. I am saying that I do think black QBs and black head coaches (Proven) get replaces sooner than white QBs and coaches with similar production. Actually, now that I think of it, It took weeks of bad play for Fisher to put Vince in last season. Not one game.

 

[BFS]

Players need to perform to get paid. Coaches need to win games in order to keep their jobs and get paid. Owners need to win in order to fill their stadiums and get paid. Etc.

The NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry with every person looking out for themselves and trying to keep themselves getting paid. No coach would go with a lesser QB (or any other position player) because he is white if he doesn't feel it gives him the best chance of winning, thus retaining his job, thus continuing to get paid. Same as Mike Tomlin will not start Dennis Dixon or Charlie Batch over Ben Roethlisberger when he returns from suspension just because they are black. He is going to start the guy who gives them the best chance of winning, thus him retaining his job, thus him continuing to get paid.

The only ... ONLY ... color that matters in the NFL is green.

If the Steelers are 4-0 they are still starting Ben. Obviously because Tomlin is a racist.

I'm sure it may exist among owners or some front office people but among coaches during a game

They lose they lose their job also. they are playing the guy they think gives them the best chance to win

HELLO!, you play to win the game. Wins and losses make the coaches' rep as well as their grandkids' trust funds. How many starting quarterbacks are black? What percentage of QBs that are yanked "early" are black? Edwards, Leinart and Moore speak to the opposite.BFS

 

[JMJ]

Players need to perform to get paid. Coaches need to win games in order to keep their jobs and get paid. Owners need to win in order to fill their stadiums and get paid. Etc.The NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry with every person looking out for themselves and trying to keep themselves getting paid. No coach would go with a lesser QB (or any other position player) because he is white if he doesn't feel it gives him the best chance of winning, thus retaining his job, thus continuing to get paid. Same as Mike Tomlin will not start Dennis Dixon or Charlie Batch over Ben Roethlisberger when he returns from suspension just because they are black. He is going to start the guy who gives them the best chance of winning, thus him retaining his job, thus him continuing to get paid.The only ... ONLY ... color that matters in the NFL is green.

How can you say this? Again, it has been PROVEN that black coaches are fired faster than white coaches, even when production is similar. Not to mention they are not hired as often either.

Incompetence, not racism.Just because the owners are white doesn't make them competent. Just because most the coaches are white doesn't make them competent. They really believe the move they make at that time (hiring a certain coach over another, starting a certain QB over another, etc.) is the right move at the time.It is a results-driven business. Decisions are made with one thing in mind ... winning games. That doesn't mean the decisions made are smart decisions however even though they are made with the correct intentions.Follow me?

 

[CalBear]

Incompetence, not racism.Just because the owners are white doesn't make them competent. Just because most the coaches are white doesn't make them competent. They really believe the move they make at that time (hiring a certain coach over another, starting a certain QB over another, etc.) is the right move at the time.It is a results-driven business. Decisions are made with one thing in mind ... winning games. That doesn't mean the decisions made are smart decisions however even though they are made with the correct intentions.Follow me?

It should be obvious that racism is a possible explanation for some bad decisions. If a person has an underlying belief that whites are better leaders, or blacks aren't as smart, they may wind up choosing a lesser white candidate over a better black candidate for coach or QB. It could be a garden-variety bad decision, or it could be racist. In an individual instance, it's hard to prove anything.But there have been studies which have proven that in sports in America, people do make underlying assumptions about people's capabilities based solely on their race. To assert otherwise is to stick your head in the sand. That doesn't mean that Fox himself is racist, or that Vince Young was benched because he is black, but it is pretty clear that blacks have to fight harder to be accepted at QB and coach.And by the way, the correct measure of racial equality isn't when a great black QB is recognized as equal to a great white QB. It's when crappy black QBs hang around as long as schlubs like Alex Smith, David Carr, or Trent Edwards. Similarly with coaches; can someone remind me why Norv Turner and Chan Gailey have jobs?

 

[JMJ]

Incompetence, not racism.

Just because the owners are white doesn't make them competent. Just because most the coaches are white doesn't make them competent. They really believe the move they make at that time (hiring a certain coach over another, starting a certain QB over another, etc.) is the right move at the time.

It is a results-driven business. Decisions are made with one thing in mind ... winning games. That doesn't mean the decisions made are smart decisions however even though they are made with the correct intentions.

Follow me?

It should be obvious that racism is a possible explanation for some bad decisions. If a person has an underlying belief that whites are better leaders, or blacks aren't as smart, they may wind up choosing a lesser white candidate over a better black candidate for coach or QB. It could be a garden-variety bad decision, or it could be racist. In an individual instance, it's hard to prove anything.But there have been studies which have proven that in sports in America, people do make underlying assumptions about people's capabilities based solely on their race. To assert otherwise is to stick your head in the sand. That doesn't mean that Fox himself is racist, or that Vince Young was benched because he is black, but it is pretty clear that blacks have to fight harder to be accepted at QB and coach.

And by the way, the correct measure of racial equality isn't when a great black QB is recognized as equal to a great white QB. It's when crappy black QBs hang around as long as schlubs like Alex Smith, David Carr, or Trent Edwards. Similarly with coaches; can someone remind me why Norv Turner and Chan Gailey have jobs?

Incompetence.

 

[IndyHavoc]

And by the way, the correct measure of racial equality isn't when a great black QB is recognized as equal to a great white QB. It's when crappy black QBs hang around as long as schlubs like Alex Smith, David Carr, or Trent Edwards.

*cough* Tavaris Jackson *cough*

 

[Bigboy10182000]

There have been spoken and unspoken claims of racism in the NFL for decades, starting with player opportunities leading to coaching opportunities (or lack thereof) that continues to be an issue in the sport at any level. There is no doubt this is a problem that needs to continue to be addressed.Watching the NFL Network, particularly Jamie Dukes, Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders, I get a sense that they believe controversial issues in the league - Alex Smith vs. Mike Singletary in San Francisco; Reid benching Vick in favor of Kolb next week; Vince Young getting benched yesterday after three picks and a fumble - include racism among their respective roots. Now I highly doubt that racism is present in each of these cases, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the league. I just don't think it should be an undercurrent in week-by-week analysis, nor do I think it should be danced around. If you're going to insinuate it, say it. Like Deion just said to Irvin to conclude the Titans-Steelers analysis, "just say what you feel."Am I alone in thinking this? Maybe I am.

WOW! I was watching thier gameday highlights last night and thinking the same thing but it was Deion. EVERY time a QB change was made from black to white he had something to say that made me think that. Here I thought it was just me!

 

[GregR_2]

I got a bit of the same feeling from the pre-game show. I posted a segment of a discussion between Irvin, Mooch, Sapp, Faulk, and Eisen over in a Vince Young thread.

I got a bit of that feeling when seeing how personally Irvin seemed to take the subject. It just felt like to get that worked up about it there had to be, in his eyes, more to the subject than just the football aspects. Which made it all the more interesting since the guy he was arguing with is also black (Sapp) and was doing a great job of expressing why he felt how he did about Young.

I've no doubt some things happen in the NFL because of race, whether intentional or unintentional. I don't really think that has much to do with Vince Young specifically though. I think if Fisher was saddled with a white QB he didn't want to draft, who limits the offense they can run, and was forced to start him by the owner, we'd be seeing the same kind of thing happen.

And with Vick... I think Andy Reid has been completely consistent with how he's handling Kolb. He stuck with McNabb when a lot of people wanted to see them move on... stuck with him and didn't even really consider anyone else. He's doing the same now. And the Eagles have consistently shown they would rather get rid of someone who still has a year left, than pay them to play past their prime. I don't see anything that's been done with McNabb that wasn't done with any number of other veteran players they had. It's just a bigger deal since he's a franchise level QB and the trade was in division.

 

[Jewell]

Many times "racism" is too strong a term because it suggests a conscious decision to say what you're saying or do what you're doing. The things we're talking about here, though, seem like subconscious ideas placed within us -- i.e. the black head coach and black QB can't excel because they're not intelligent enough, or the white coach or white commissioner is favoring white players over black players because that's what whites do. It's group think, it's most often a by-product of your environment, but I don't think it necessarily makes Deion, Michael, or any of us who follow in suit a racist.

Despite these subconscious beliefs...

Tony Dungy turned the Bucs around, won a Superbowl, and has a legendary winning percentage; and Ray Rhodes did whatever it was that he did.

The best white cornerback of yesteryear (?) dominated. The best white cornerback of today (?) can't see the field.

... you'll find a sampling of good and bad for every scenario.

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I really don't think Dukes, Irvin, and Deion are racists, but I do know one thing....they all love the crack-rock.

 

[CalBear]

And by the way, the correct measure of racial equality isn't when a great black QB is recognized as equal to a great white QB. It's when crappy black QBs hang around as long as schlubs like Alex Smith, David Carr, or Trent Edwards.

*cough* Tavaris Jackson *cough*

What about him? Jackson has started a total of 19 games in his career. After a good run to end 2008 (over 60% completions, 9 TD 2 INT and three wins in four games), his team went out and brought in an aging veteran to replace him.Alex Smith has started 40 games, and sits with a lower completion percentage, lower TD percentage, higher INT percentage than Jackson--and he's still starting! David Carr started 79 games and now is on his fourth different team despite one of the lowest TD percentages of any QB with that many attempts. Trent Edwards also got almost twice as much of a shot as Jackson before he got replaced by another white guy who also has started more games than Jackson, with even worse results than any of the others.

 

[hip80]

I'm not sure I would say it is "racism", but I feel that it is pretty obvious that Sanders and Irvin are very quick to defend the younger, African American players who seem to be "troubled" somehow regardless of the circumstances. I'm a Titans fan, and I think VY fits the bill...

As for the bencing of VY, if it had been ANY other player turning the ball over like that, I think they sit. Also, Fisher saw things through with McNair (RIP), and he had his share of bumps in the road starting out.

 

[Concept Coop]

Players need to perform to get paid. Coaches need to win games in order to keep their jobs and get paid. Owners need to win in order to fill their stadiums and get paid. Etc.The NFL is a multi-billion dollar industry with every person looking out for themselves and trying to keep themselves getting paid. No coach would go with a lesser QB (or any other position player) because he is white if he doesn't feel it gives him the best chance of winning, thus retaining his job, thus continuing to get paid. Same as Mike Tomlin will not start Dennis Dixon or Charlie Batch over Ben Roethlisberger when he returns from suspension just because they are black. He is going to start the guy who gives them the best chance of winning, thus him retaining his job, thus him continuing to get paid.The only ... ONLY ... color that matters in the NFL is green.

How can you say this? Again, it has been PROVEN that black coaches are fired faster than white coaches, even when production is similar. Not to mention they are not hired as often either.

Incompetence, not racism.Just because the owners are white doesn't make them competent. Just because most the coaches are white doesn't make them competent. They really believe the move they make at that time (hiring a certain coach over another, starting a certain QB over another, etc.) is the right move at the time.It is a results-driven business. Decisions are made with one thing in mind ... winning games. That doesn't mean the decisions made are smart decisions however even though they are made with the correct intentions.Follow me?

No. I don't follow you.History proves that black coaches get fired faster than white coaches, when they perform equally. If it was all about money, it would be 50/50. If it was the owners being dumb, it would be 50/50. I am not saying that the owners are racist. But I do think they feel that they relate better to other white men, thus, giving them more chances.

 

[two_dollars]

I think it's racist there are so few white running backs. They always get benched way earlier than black running backs.

 

[griff321]

No. Racism doesnt exist in the league. There is nothing for them to base their outrageous claims and or suspicions on.

Then explain to me how Leslie Frazier hasn't had a chance as a HC yet?

 

[two_dollars]

No. Racism doesnt exist in the league. There is nothing for them to base their outrageous claims and or suspicions on.

Then explain to me how Leslie Frazier hasn't had a chance as a HC yet?

How's is history as a coordinator?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

No. Racism doesnt exist in the league. There is nothing for them to base their outrageous claims and or suspicions on.

Then explain to me how Leslie Frazier hasn't had a chance as a HC yet?

He has a girlie first name?

 

[Concept Coop]

I think it's racist there are so few white running backs. They always get benched way earlier than black running backs.

Such an ignorant response.Look at combine numbers. Watch football.There are no such numbers to suggest that white coaches are any better than black coaches. Especially when we are talking about black coaches getting fired before equally performing white coaches.I will tell you why Adrian Peterson was drafted before Toby Gerhart, if I must. Please tell me why Charlie Weiss got an extension before Whittingham, and Why Whittingham got fired sooner.

 

[CalBear]

I think it's racist there are so few white running backs. They always get benched way earlier than black running backs.

No, what they get is turned into other positions early in their careers. And in a sense, it is racist; there's an underlying assumption that blacks are faster, so whites are steered into other positions like QB.

 

[ProBowler88]

I think it's racist there are so few white running backs. They always get benched way earlier than black running backs.

The next great white running back is on the same team as the next great black quarterback

 

[Concept Coop]

I think it's racist there are so few white running backs. They always get benched way earlier than black running backs.

No, what they get is turned into other positions early in their careers. And in a sense, it is racist; there's an underlying assumption that blacks are faster, so whites are steered into other positions like QB.

Assumption? Ever watch the olympics?I see what you are saying, and you are right. Due to race, certain athletes are limited to certain positions. But lets not pretend that coaches are having black players player RB and CB because they are racist.

 

[Jewell]

But I do think they feel that they relate better to other white men, thus, giving them more chances.

I think that's true. Part of me thinks it's tribalism that we'll never fully shake; but optimistically I see it dissipating over time. Much of what we believe throughout life is grounded in what we saw in youth. Most NFL owners are older. Their entire youth was white coaches, white QBs. It's natural to subconsciounsly think that's "the way", if that's the only way you saw in your formative tears. When the younger generation become owners (looking for investors), we won't be as inclined to fall into a bias because we grew up on Randall Cunningham, Tony Dungy, etc. We've scene a different blueprint.

 

[CalBear]

I think it's racist there are so few white running backs. They always get benched way earlier than black running backs.

No, what they get is turned into other positions early in their careers. And in a sense, it is racist; there's an underlying assumption that blacks are faster, so whites are steered into other positions like QB.

Assumption? Ever watch the olympics?

Sure. I see that all the fastest swimmers, skiers, snowboarders, and bicyclists are white guys.The differentiation is cultural, not racial.

 

[gary mexico]

I really don't think Dukes, Irvin, and Deion are racists, but I do know one thing....they all love the crack-rock.

 

[The Dynasty]

I think it's racist there are so few white running backs. They always get benched way earlier than black running backs.

Such an ignorant response.Look at combine numbers. Watch football.There are no such numbers to suggest that white coaches are any better than black coaches. Especially when we are talking about black coaches getting fired before equally performing white coaches.I will tell you why Adrian Peterson was drafted before Toby Gerhart, if I must. Please tell me why Charlie Weiss got an extension before Whittingham, and Why Whittingham got fired sooner.

I thought we were talking about the NFL? Tomlin, Dungy, Singletary, Caldwell, Smith all black coaches and all have been given chances. When will you be happy? When it's split evenly 50/50? Should we throw in Hispanics and Asians and make NFL head coaches 25/25/25/25? I never understood the percentage gripe. Like people complaining because there's more white people in TV or movies. The fact of the matter is that white people still make up 80% of the population so really if you want to be fair 80% of coaches/actors/athletes/etc. should be white.

 

[GregR_2]

I think it's racist there are so few white running backs. They always get benched way earlier than black running backs.

The next great white running back is on the same team as the next great black quarterback

Nah, Sam McGuffie isn't at Michigan with Denard Robinson anymore. McGuffie transferred to Rice.