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[Tchula]

0 non black cornerbacks in the NFL, 2 non black running backs in the NFL (fullbacks don't count), a minute handful of non black wide recievers and safeties, etc. Yep, I'd say the NFL is pretty racist.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

I guess part of the issue I have, as an analyst myself, is that they should not be introducing such egregious subjectivity into their analysis. I never see these guys, particularly Irvin, get fired up about a white guy who's not gettnig his fair shot. But I guess this is the entertainment side of the sport. The "real" analysis takes place in the front office, I suppose.

I got nothing against these guys. I think Irvin gave the best HOF speech I've ever heard. But they're all crap as analysts.

 

[captain_amazing]

Stop it already.

Mike Golic?

 

[Da Guru]

No. Racism doesnt exist in the league. There is nothing for them to base their outrageous claims and or suspicions on.

Then explain to me how Leslie Frazier hasn't had a chance as a HC yet?

Everything that I have heard is that Frazier has totally screwed the pooch in his interviews. Not very impressive.

 

[Concept Coop]

0 non black cornerbacks in the NFL, 2 non black running backs in the NFL (fullbacks don't count), a minute handful of non black wide recievers and safeties, etc. Yep, I'd say the NFL is pretty racist.

You are an idiot. Show me a study that shows that players are cut because they are white. White players don't play CB in the NFL because there simply isn't a collection of white college CBs worthy to be drafted. Black coaches that perform the JUST AS WELL as their white counterparts are fired sooner. That is a simple concept. Person A did the same as person B, but got fired sooner. See how cut and dry that is?

 

[Concept Coop]

I think it's racist there are so few white running backs. They always get benched way earlier than black running backs.

No, what they get is turned into other positions early in their careers. And in a sense, it is racist; there's an underlying assumption that blacks are faster, so whites are steered into other positions like QB.

Assumption? Ever watch the olympics?

Sure. I see that all the fastest swimmers, skiers, snowboarders, and bicyclists are white guys.The differentiation is cultural, not racial.

Cultural? Running is a big part of white, American Culture.

 

[Concept Coop]

Interesting topic. You're not alone, I sense some of that too. Particularly with regard to the Philly QB position. It's laughable since Donovan was Andy's guy for a decade, but sadly that sentiment is out there. The issue where it was most prevalent, though, was when a lot of players and commentators were calling for Goodell to hit Roethlisberger with a big suspension.

For the most part, though, I think there's way less racism in sports than everyday American life. Interracial interaction usually leads to better interracial understanding.

I would agree with you. Racism seems to be less of an issue in the military too, when you men and women of all backgrounds are fighting together for a common goal. The Philly situation is one of the more clear examples in my mind too. Trading the VERY BEST QB your franchise has EVER had, in division...because you have a 2nd round prospect that fumbled too much in college and doesn't have all world physical tools...

Are you seriously suggesting that the Eagles traded McNabb because Andy Reid is racist?

No. McNabb was treated poorly by fans and the city from the time he was drafted. And I know Andy Reid is not racist and did not blame him for trading McNabb either. Reid knew that one of the two of them were getting the axe and had to take the blame. Don't put words in my mouth and don't accuse me of calling anyone racist.

 

[The Dynasty]

Interesting topic. You're not alone, I sense some of that too. Particularly with regard to the Philly QB position. It's laughable since Donovan was Andy's guy for a decade, but sadly that sentiment is out there. The issue where it was most prevalent, though, was when a lot of players and commentators were calling for Goodell to hit Roethlisberger with a big suspension.

For the most part, though, I think there's way less racism in sports than everyday American life. Interracial interaction usually leads to better interracial understanding.

I would agree with you. Racism seems to be less of an issue in the military too, when you men and women of all backgrounds are fighting together for a common goal. The Philly situation is one of the more clear examples in my mind too. Trading the VERY BEST QB your franchise has EVER had, in division...because you have a 2nd round prospect that fumbled too much in college and doesn't have all world physical tools...

Are you seriously suggesting that the Eagles traded McNabb because Andy Reid is racist?

No. McNabb was treated poorly by fans and the city from the time he was drafted. And I know Andy Reid is not racist and did not blame him for trading McNabb either. Reid knew that one of the two of them were getting the axe and had to take the blame. Don't put words in my mouth and don't accuse me of calling anyone racist.

The entire city of Philadelphia and the surrounding area being racist makes sense though

 

[Concept Coop]

Interesting topic. You're not alone, I sense some of that too. Particularly with regard to the Philly QB position. It's laughable since Donovan was Andy's guy for a decade, but sadly that sentiment is out there. The issue where it was most prevalent, though, was when a lot of players and commentators were calling for Goodell to hit Roethlisberger with a big suspension.

For the most part, though, I think there's way less racism in sports than everyday American life. Interracial interaction usually leads to better interracial understanding.

I would agree with you. Racism seems to be less of an issue in the military too, when you men and women of all backgrounds are fighting together for a common goal. The Philly situation is one of the more clear examples in my mind too. Trading the VERY BEST QB your franchise has EVER had, in division...because you have a 2nd round prospect that fumbled too much in college and doesn't have all world physical tools...

Are you seriously suggesting that the Eagles traded McNabb because Andy Reid is racist?

No. McNabb was treated poorly by fans and the city from the time he was drafted. And I know Andy Reid is not racist and did not blame him for trading McNabb either. Reid knew that one of the two of them were getting the axe and had to take the blame. Don't put words in my mouth and don't accuse me of calling anyone racist.

The entire city of Philadelphia and the surrounding area being racist makes sense though

Is that what I said? Did I call anyone, or any organization racist? If you can't find an example, please stop suggesting that I did.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Interesting topic. You're not alone, I sense some of that too. Particularly with regard to the Philly QB position. It's laughable since Donovan was Andy's guy for a decade, but sadly that sentiment is out there. The issue where it was most prevalent, though, was when a lot of players and commentators were calling for Goodell to hit Roethlisberger with a big suspension.

For the most part, though, I think there's way less racism in sports than everyday American life. Interracial interaction usually leads to better interracial understanding.

I would agree with you. Racism seems to be less of an issue in the military too, when you men and women of all backgrounds are fighting together for a common goal. The Philly situation is one of the more clear examples in my mind too. Trading the VERY BEST QB your franchise has EVER had, in division...because you have a 2nd round prospect that fumbled too much in college and doesn't have all world physical tools...

Are you seriously suggesting that the Eagles traded McNabb because Andy Reid is racist?

No. McNabb was treated poorly by fans and the city from the time he was drafted. And I know Andy Reid is not racist and did not blame him for trading McNabb either. Reid knew that one of the two of them were getting the axe and had to take the blame. Don't put words in my mouth and don't accuse me of calling anyone racist.

The Bold above is you calling the Philadelphia Eagles trade of Donovan McNabb racist. And if you are calling the trade racist, then you are calling someone in that organization racist. The same organization that took a chance on a black QB named Michael Vick and hired Ray Rhodes as coach and kept him on for 3 years even though it was clear to everyone (other than Green Bay of course) that he wasn't cut out to be a head coach. You clearly are calling the organization racist. I don't need to put words in your mouth. You said it. So now man up and admit it.

 

[tud_duke]

So what Concept Coop wants done is to FORCE people to make things fair for everyone? When is the last time a government, organization, company, etc. made things fair for everyone and it didn't discriminate in some way shape or form someone who otherwise would have gotten their fair shot? Forcing people to be fair is about the same thing as being unfair to people.

If Joe Blow the HC wants to keep making moves based on race he will be fired soon enough for incompetence.

Don't take away from me because other people are being stupid.

And if I'm putting words in your mouth, then what is your point? You wouldn't be bringing it to our attention if you didn't want something done about it.

 

[CalBear]

If Joe Blow the HC wants to keep making moves based on race he will be fired soon enough for incompetence.

Unless his management is also incompetent and/or making moves based on race. Perhaps the fact that NFL ownership is exclusively white billionaires, and most of those inherited their money rather than earning it, might play into the dynamics.

 

[tud_duke]

If Joe Blow the HC wants to keep making moves based on race he will be fired soon enough for incompetence.

Unless his management is also incompetent and/or making moves based on race. Perhaps the fact that NFL ownership is exclusively white billionaires, and most of those inherited their money rather than earning it, might play into the dynamics.

So if those owners want to lose out on lots of money because they aren't changing with the times then that is their problem isn't it? If not, what exactly are you suggesting?

 

[CalBear]

If Joe Blow the HC wants to keep making moves based on race he will be fired soon enough for incompetence.

Unless his management is also incompetent and/or making moves based on race. Perhaps the fact that NFL ownership is exclusively white billionaires, and most of those inherited their money rather than earning it, might play into the dynamics.

So if those owners want to lose out on lots of money because they aren't changing with the times then that is their problem isn't it? If not, what exactly are you suggesting?

Do you think it was OK to not allow blacks to play baseball? If those owners wanted to lose out on lots of money because they weren't changing with the times, was that their problem and no one else's?

 

[atcdav]

Am I racist? The majority on NFL players are not whiite. Some Most)of the most famous and successful players are not white. The NFL is full of non-white millionaires.

Gerrard is black and was benched becuz he sucked. Young is black and benched becuz he sucked, Campbell is black and benched becuz he sucked, Alex Smith sucks and needs to be benched. He is white but his head coach who is leaving him in is black. Is Singletary racist? The NFL is also full of sub-par QBs for whatever reason. Maybe the college spread offense doesnt transition well into the NFL but the are a lot of poor QBs. Many on them are black but that would make sense since the majority of NFL players are also black.

 

[The Dynasty]

Am I racist? The majority on NFL players are not whiite. Some Most)of the most famous and successful players are not white. The NFL is full of non-white millionaires. Gerrard is black and was benched becuz he sucked. Young is black and benched becuz he sucked, Campbell is black and benched becuz he sucked, Alex Smith sucks and needs to be benched. He is white but his head coach who is leaving him in is black. Is Singletary racist? The NFL is also full of sub-par QBs for whatever reason. Maybe the college spread offense doesnt transition well into the NFL but the are a lot of poor QBs. Many on them are black but that would make sense since the majority of NFL players are also black.

Edwards is white and benched because he sucks. Moore is white and benched because he sucks.

 

[tud_duke]

If Joe Blow the HC wants to keep making moves based on race he will be fired soon enough for incompetence.

Unless his management is also incompetent and/or making moves based on race. Perhaps the fact that NFL ownership is exclusively white billionaires, and most of those inherited their money rather than earning it, might play into the dynamics.

So if those owners want to lose out on lots of money because they aren't changing with the times then that is their problem isn't it? If not, what exactly are you suggesting?

Do you think it was OK to not allow blacks to play baseball? If those owners wanted to lose out on lots of money because they weren't changing with the times, was that their problem and no one else's?

Of course I don't. Did anyone force them to allow blacks to play? They changed with the times. "Less well-known was Larry Doby, who signed with Bill Veeck's Cleveland Indians that same year to become the American League's first African-American player. Doby, a more low-key figure than Robinson, suffered many of the same indignities that Robinson did, albeit with less press coverage. Both men were ultimately elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame on the merits of their play. Due to their success, teams gradually integrated African-Americans on their rosters."

Look, all you are doing is pointing out where there might be racism. I will ask again, what are you suggesting needs to be done?

 

[atcdav]

Am I racist? The majority on NFL players are not whiite. Some Most)of the most famous and successful players are not white. The NFL is full of non-white millionaires. Gerrard is black and was benched becuz he sucked. Young is black and benched becuz he sucked, Campbell is black and benched becuz he sucked, Alex Smith sucks and needs to be benched. He is white but his head coach who is leaving him in is black. Is Singletary racist? The NFL is also full of sub-par QBs for whatever reason. Maybe the college spread offense doesnt transition well into the NFL but the are a lot of poor QBs. Many on them are black but that would make sense since the majority of NFL players are also black.

Edwards is white and benched because he sucks. Moore is white and benched because he sucks.

oh yeah, so like I said, the NFL is full of ####ty QBs...black and white. I am glad I took Rogers")

 

[Concept Coop]

So what Concept Coop wants done is to FORCE people to make things fair for everyone? When is the last time a government, organization, company, etc. made things fair for everyone and it didn't discriminate in some way shape or form someone who otherwise would have gotten their fair shot? Forcing people to be fair is about the same thing as being unfair to people.If Joe Blow the HC wants to keep making moves based on race he will be fired soon enough for incompetence.Don't take away from me because other people are being stupid.And if I'm putting words in your mouth, then what is your point? You wouldn't be bringing it to our attention if you didn't want something done about it.

Wow. What is your deal?It has been proven. Men make more than women in the same position. Does me stating that mean that I am calling my boss sexist, or all bosses sexist? No. But there is a discrepancy that we shouldn't ignore.

 

[The Dynasty]

So what Concept Coop wants done is to FORCE people to make things fair for everyone? When is the last time a government, organization, company, etc. made things fair for everyone and it didn't discriminate in some way shape or form someone who otherwise would have gotten their fair shot? Forcing people to be fair is about the same thing as being unfair to people.If Joe Blow the HC wants to keep making moves based on race he will be fired soon enough for incompetence.Don't take away from me because other people are being stupid.And if I'm putting words in your mouth, then what is your point? You wouldn't be bringing it to our attention if you didn't want something done about it.

Wow. What is your deal?It has been proven. Men make more than women in the same position. Does me stating that mean that I am calling my boss sexist, or all bosses sexist? No. But there is a discrepancy that we shouldn't ignore.

Women make less than men because it is proven they are less productive while on their period. Since men do not have periods they are more productive than women and deserving of a higher salary.

 

[Concept Coop]

If Joe Blow the HC wants to keep making moves based on race he will be fired soon enough for incompetence.

Unless his management is also incompetent and/or making moves based on race. Perhaps the fact that NFL ownership is exclusively white billionaires, and most of those inherited their money rather than earning it, might play into the dynamics.

So if those owners want to lose out on lots of money because they aren't changing with the times then that is their problem isn't it? If not, what exactly are you suggesting?

Do you think it was OK to not allow blacks to play baseball? If those owners wanted to lose out on lots of money because they weren't changing with the times, was that their problem and no one else's?

Of course I don't. Did anyone force them to allow blacks to play? They changed with the times. "Less well-known was Larry Doby, who signed with Bill Veeck's Cleveland Indians that same year to become the American League's first African-American player. Doby, a more low-key figure than Robinson, suffered many of the same indignities that Robinson did, albeit with less press coverage. Both men were ultimately elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame on the merits of their play. Due to their success, teams gradually integrated African-Americans on their rosters."

Look, all you are doing is pointing out where there might be racism. I will ask again, what are you suggesting needs to be done?

You are an ignorant clown. There is no MIGHT about racism in almost every aspect of American society. Same with sexism, ageism, homophobia, religious persecution and so on and so forth. Racism was the problem of the owners and nobody else? Wow.

 

[Concept Coop]

Interesting topic. You're not alone, I sense some of that too. Particularly with regard to the Philly QB position. It's laughable since Donovan was Andy's guy for a decade, but sadly that sentiment is out there. The issue where it was most prevalent, though, was when a lot of players and commentators were calling for Goodell to hit Roethlisberger with a big suspension.

For the most part, though, I think there's way less racism in sports than everyday American life. Interracial interaction usually leads to better interracial understanding.

I would agree with you. Racism seems to be less of an issue in the military too, when you men and women of all backgrounds are fighting together for a common goal. The Philly situation is one of the more clear examples in my mind too. Trading the VERY BEST QB your franchise has EVER had, in division...because you have a 2nd round prospect that fumbled too much in college and doesn't have all world physical tools...

Are you seriously suggesting that the Eagles traded McNabb because Andy Reid is racist?

No. McNabb was treated poorly by fans and the city from the time he was drafted. And I know Andy Reid is not racist and did not blame him for trading McNabb either. Reid knew that one of the two of them were getting the axe and had to take the blame. Don't put words in my mouth and don't accuse me of calling anyone racist.

The Bold above is you calling the Philadelphia Eagles trade of Donovan McNabb racist. And if you are calling the trade racist, then you are calling someone in that organization racist. The same organization that took a chance on a black QB named Michael Vick and hired Ray Rhodes as coach and kept him on for 3 years even though it was clear to everyone (other than Green Bay of course) that he wasn't cut out to be a head coach. You clearly are calling the organization racist. I don't need to put words in your mouth. You said it. So now man up and admit it.

I am not admitting anything. I did a study on Walmart. They were actually sued by an organization representing women that have worked at Walmart, because they paid women less than men. Does me pointing that out mean I am calling Walmart sexist? Every manager at Walmart sexist? No. But there are social issues still in America, and some of those deal with race. You don't need to crucify anyone that suggest people get treated differently based on skin color. You can use Google to prove that it DOES happen. So if you want to blast me for pointing it out, and continue to ignore it, have fun.

 

[tud_duke]

So what Concept Coop wants done is to FORCE people to make things fair for everyone? When is the last time a government, organization, company, etc. made things fair for everyone and it didn't discriminate in some way shape or form someone who otherwise would have gotten their fair shot? Forcing people to be fair is about the same thing as being unfair to people.If Joe Blow the HC wants to keep making moves based on race he will be fired soon enough for incompetence.Don't take away from me because other people are being stupid.And if I'm putting words in your mouth, then what is your point? You wouldn't be bringing it to our attention if you didn't want something done about it.

Wow. What is your deal?It has been proven. Men make more than women in the same position. Does me stating that mean that I am calling my boss sexist, or all bosses sexist? No. But there is a discrepancy that we shouldn't ignore.

So what are you suggesting we do?I am waiting for you to suggest an alternative. And when you do, I will say how it will be proven that now the other side is being discriminated against because of whatever you suggest. And I will be right, you can't force fairness and equality without discriminating against someone. Sure it won't be intended, but there will be a time when whitey doesn't get his fair shake because he is white. And when you ask me what I would suggest to solve that problem, I will answer leave it how it was before you got involved and made a mess of things. If it is such a big deal, our culture will take care of it over time.Let me ask you another question. Do you think people who are treated equally today, are treated so because there is a law that says we have to, or because our culture has become more accepting of other races/differences?Our culture is what changes social norms, not laws.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The Philly situation is one of the more clear examples in my mind too. Trading the VERY BEST QB your franchise has EVER had, in division...because you have a 2nd round prospect that fumbled too much in college and doesn't have all world physical tools...

The bolded part is without question a racist statement. Comparing it to a study of salary discrepancies within Walmart isn't even in the same ball park as the bold above.

 

[tud_duke]

Racism was the problem of the owners and nobody else? Wow.

Not sure how you got to there but, no.

Oh I see, you thought I was referring to the baseball thing. I just meant the NFL thing. Sorry, I should have worded that better.

 

[Aardvarks]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[The Dynasty]

I am not admitting anything. I did a study on Walmart. They were actually sued by an organization representing women that have worked at Walmart, because they paid women less than men. Does me pointing that out mean I am calling Walmart sexist? Every manager at Walmart sexist? No. But there are social issues still in America, and some of those deal with race. You don't need to crucify anyone that suggest people get treated differently based on skin color. You can use Google to prove that it DOES happen. So if you want to blast me for pointing it out, and continue to ignore it, have fun.

I already explained why this is. Did no one read it?

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

So what Concept Coop wants done is to FORCE people to make things fair for everyone? When is the last time a government, organization, company, etc. made things fair for everyone and it didn't discriminate in some way shape or form someone who otherwise would have gotten their fair shot? Forcing people to be fair is about the same thing as being unfair to people.If Joe Blow the HC wants to keep making moves based on race he will be fired soon enough for incompetence.Don't take away from me because other people are being stupid.And if I'm putting words in your mouth, then what is your point? You wouldn't be bringing it to our attention if you didn't want something done about it.

Wow. What is your deal?It has been proven. Men make more than women in the same position. Does me stating that mean that I am calling my boss sexist, or all bosses sexist? No. But there is a discrepancy that we shouldn't ignore.

Women make less than men because it is proven they are less productive while on their period. Since men do not have periods they are more productive than women and deserving of a higher salary.

That's just basic science.

 

[djmich]

 

[Your Mom]

So you think a guy who coughed the ball up 4 times and was down right awful got pulled yeseterday because he is black?Not just a bad day and see if we can spark the team, oh btw they almost cameback with the other qbHow come no one complains when they doubt Gerhart because he is a white rb.

I am not saying that at all. I am saying that I do think black QBs and black head coaches (Proven) get replaces sooner than white QBs and coaches with similar production. Actually, now that I think of it, It took weeks of bad play for Fisher to put Vince in last season. Not one game.

Why is David Garrard still starting?

 

[jon007]

Its always white or black with these racist peeps. What about the brown folk?

 

[djmich]

So you think a guy who coughed the ball up 4 times and was down right awful got pulled yeseterday because he is black?Not just a bad day and see if we can spark the team, oh btw they almost cameback with the other qbHow come no one complains when they doubt Gerhart because he is a white rb.

I am not saying that at all. I am saying that I do think black QBs and black head coaches (Proven) get replaces sooner than white QBs and coaches with similar production. Actually, now that I think of it, It took weeks of bad play for Fisher to put Vince in last season. Not one game.

Why is David Garrard still starting?

He has got Chron's, its not PC to bench people with illnesses like that.

 

[Saint]

This thread needs locked. I think we need more drunken polish kickers in the league. I guess I am racist since I am against teams that discriminate against them.

 

[John Windle]

It's human nature to identify and support to the exclusion of others what you identify with. Take a look at how we root for certain colors of laundry that for whatever reason we've attached to our identity. I've lived in Dallas my entire life and I root for the Cowboys. I hated TO when he was a Niner and and Eagle, but magically I'm doing the TO dance once he wore the right colored jersey.

This "us vs them" mentality is really deep at the core of all of us. It's not just a race issue, but race is certainly a way that people create their identity of themselves. Just like gender, sexuality, language, religion, and nationality/localization define our self image. If you take a black man who grew up in the United States and introduce him to a black man that speaks spanish from the Dominican Republic, I would speculate that he may identify with a white male that was also from the US more than someone who looks similar, but is from a completely different culture.

Anyway, all of these factors contribute to how we feel about things... and those feelings give subtle pushes to how we make decisions. And the bulk of the decision makers in the NFL are middle aged to elderly white men. And shockingly, decisions trend to giving other white men more benefit of the doubt or trust than black men. In nearly every way.

That said... and this is just my personal feeling... in big business (which the NFL certainly is) and in major cities, I think the volume of malicious intentional racism is dropping dramatically. I don't think these decisions are nearly as intentional... they're those subtle feelings that affect every human being on earth. In small towns in middle america or the south... well... still plenty of klan members there.

From a solution standpoint... I think it's merely a matter of continuing to actively think about how we make decisions and as generation after generation of people progress through life and start bringing down the hard lines between cultures or groups... those subtle feelings will diminish across racial lines to a degree. They may be enhanced in nationalism (e.g. us vs. China), but I think the white/black dynamic especially will continue to get better year after year. Look at the popularity of rap/hip-hop in suburban white kids. Those kids won't grow up automatically mistrusting black people the way their parents may have and their grandparents almost certainly did.

Anyway... it does happen. And all we can do is try and educate ourselves and not lie to ourselves about how we make the decisions we do make.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Nice post Windle.

 

[bbuster]

Would be helpful to know exactly what quotes form the Irvin, Dukes, and Sanders you feel reflects that they feel an undercurrent of racism in these decisions.

If you get NFL Network, try to watch the breakdown of the Tennessee game. This is where I felt it most. In other cases, I think it is far more subtle. For example, I think Jamie Duke's defense of Singletary may have been an example of Duke defending a black coach and black OC without a willingness to assign any significant blame or fault with either after last week's performance.If I had transcripts, I'd share it, but I don't think it does it justice. Just watch the Tenn-Pitt breakdown.

I know what you are referring to in regards to Jamie Duke's rant. I didn't think racism when I heard it, but I can certainly understand why it might be considered as such. I was actually only half paying attention at the time, but ended up rewinding it because I was wondering what he was getting so riled up about.The bottom line is that racism exists whether it's black vs white white vs black or any other race, sex, religious, or sexual orientation. It's unacceptable in any situation, but IMO a bit more understandable when it involves minorities. None of us who haven't been on the wrong end of discrimination can understand the frustrations that has to exist. There is no solution/formula to get rid of it because it comes down to what is inside a person. The steps that are taken to reduce the level of inequality that exist are necessary, but it doesn't change the heart. I think it's great for the African/American community to see the first black president elected, but to me, until the need to put a "white" or "black" label on things...not enough has changed.

 

[bbuster]

This thread needs locked. I think we need more drunken polish kickers in the league. I guess I am racist since I am against teams that discriminate against them.

Why does it need to be locked? I don't see anything wrong with having a discussion about an issue that exists in the NFL(and the world in general). People aren't getting out of control in here. People certainly don't agree with everything said in threads regarding specific players...why is disagreement an issue here?

 

[Saint]

This thread needs locked. I think we need more drunken polish kickers in the league. I guess I am racist since I am against teams that discriminate against them.

Why does it need to be locked? I don't see anything wrong with having a discussion about an issue that exists in the NFL(and the world in general). People aren't getting out of control in here. People certainly don't agree with everything said in threads regarding specific players...why is disagreement an issue here?

Personally, what value is this thread adding to the Shark pool other than ranting about issues on racism. Want to debate and talk about unfairness or what's right and wrong, fine move it to the FFA forum. No disrespect, but in my opinion, this thread isn't adding any value to the Shark Pool for a discussion on players, strategy, and fantasy.

 

[GregR_2]

Nice post Windle.

Agreed, great post.

 

[J Giles Band]

You are an idiot.

You are an ignorant clown.

Regardless which side of this debate you're on, whatever valid points you make and credibility you might have are completely lost due to your unnecessary and childish name calling. If you'd like to continue posting here you would be wise to consider bagging it.

It has been proven.

You keep referring to things as 'proven' with no factual basis whatsoever. That's not 'proving' anything. Valid references are necessary to support your claims if you want them to be taken as fact.Just like the issues to which you refer are not always purely black-white as you wish to make them... this is not a right-wrong discussion. Some of your points are absolutely valid. Unfortunately you undermine your argument due to your tact, or lack thereof.

 

[blake]

Michael Vick going back to the bench racisim? Since when do you lose your job when you get injured. I can assure you if Kolb flops and that teamm struggles Vick will be back in the lineup in a NY minute.

ignoring many of your other claims that have grand canyon size holes in them, are you really serious about the bolded statement? nah. you can't be. wow...maybe you actually are serious about it.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

There have been spoken and unspoken claims of racism in the NFL for decades, starting with player opportunities leading to coaching opportunities (or lack thereof) that continues to be an issue in the sport at any level. There is no doubt this is a problem that needs to continue to be addressed.Watching the NFL Network, particularly Jamie Dukes, Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders, I get a sense that they believe controversial issues in the league - Alex Smith vs. Mike Singletary in San Francisco; Reid benching Vick in favor of Kolb next week; Vince Young getting benched yesterday after three picks and a fumble - include racism among their respective roots. Now I highly doubt that racism is present in each of these cases, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the league. I just don't think it should be an undercurrent in week-by-week analysis, nor do I think it should be danced around. If you're going to insinuate it, say it. Like Deion just said to Irvin to conclude the Titans-Steelers analysis, "just say what you feel."Am I alone in thinking this? Maybe I am.

3 black guys taking the side of blacks vs whites?that's quite a bombshell.do they think OJ will find the real killers?

 

[Short Corner]

0 non black cornerbacks in the NFL, 2 non black running backs in the NFL (fullbacks don't count), a minute handful of non black wide recievers and safeties, etc. Yep, I'd say the NFL is pretty racist.

You are an idiot. Show me a study that shows that players are cut because they are white. White players don't play CB in the NFL because there simply isn't a collection of white college CBs worthy to be drafted. Black coaches that perform the JUST AS WELL as their white counterparts are fired sooner. That is a simple concept. Person A did the same as person B, but got fired sooner. See how cut and dry that is?

And all of the coaches in said study were working in identical environments, with the same personnel, same management, and playing the same schedule.

 

[Short Corner]

There have been spoken and unspoken claims of racism in the NFL for decades, starting with player opportunities leading to coaching opportunities (or lack thereof) that continues to be an issue in the sport at any level. There is no doubt this is a problem that needs to continue to be addressed.

Watching the NFL Network, particularly Jamie Dukes, Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders, I get a sense that they believe controversial issues in the league - Alex Smith vs. Mike Singletary in San Francisco; Reid benching Vick in favor of Kolb next week; Vince Young getting benched yesterday after three picks and a fumble - include racism among their respective roots.

Now I highly doubt that racism is present in each of these cases, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the league. I just don't think it should be an undercurrent in week-by-week analysis, nor do I think it should be danced around. If you're going to insinuate it, say it. Like Deion just said to Irvin to conclude the Titans-Steelers analysis, "just say what you feel."

Am I alone in thinking this? Maybe I am.

3 black guys taking the side of turning it into blacks vs whites?that's quite a bombshell.

do they think OJ will find the real killers?

FYP

 

[belljr]

Incompetence, not racism.Just because the owners are white doesn't make them competent. Just because most the coaches are white doesn't make them competent. They really believe the move they make at that time (hiring a certain coach over another, starting a certain QB over another, etc.) is the right move at the time.It is a results-driven business. Decisions are made with one thing in mind ... winning games. That doesn't mean the decisions made are smart decisions however even though they are made with the correct intentions.Follow me?

And by the way, the correct measure of racial equality isn't when a great black QB is recognized as equal to a great white QB. It's when crappy black QBs hang around as long as schlubs like Alex Smith, David Carr, or Trent Edwards. Similarly with coaches; can someone remind me why Norv Turner and Chan Gailey have jobs?

You mean like Charlie Batch, Jason Cambell, Aaron Brooks or Jeff Blake