At the end, the teams have spent most of their money and it makes it harder for them to match.As per Sirius NFL Radio offers for tendered players usually come at the deadline (usually a week or so before the draft). Didn't catch why.
Except that Wallace & Pittsburgh are currently negoatiating.No reason for a team to be in a hurry to offer a tender, they have until April 20th.
I believe March 17 is the date teams can start negotiating with tendered players.Hoping New England jumps into this.Except that Wallace & Pittsburgh are currently negoatiating.No reason for a team to be in a hurry to offer a tender, they have until April 20th.
I think any team giving up a 1st rounder knows that they have to give up that type of contract. In fact, that's the whole point. It's the size of the contract that gets Wallace, not the 1st rounder. The market conditions have actually made it more likely.The market conditions have made it too costly. Imagine laying out a contract like vjax's (Wallace would command a better contract then those other cats) plus giving a 1st rounder? Steelers played this perfectly. They're safe for 2012 with regards to Wallace.
Why would Wallace sign anything before he sees what kind of offers he gets if any?Except that Wallace & Pittsburgh are currently negoatiating.No reason for a team to be in a hurry to offer a tender, they have until April 20th.
100% agree.Wallace's options are going to come down to playing for 2.7 mil, signing a cap friendly deal ala DJax, or holding out.The market conditions have made it too costly. Imagine laying out a contract like vjax's (Wallace would command a better contract then those other cats) plus giving a 1st rounder?Steelers played this perfectly. They're safe for 2012 with regards to Wallace.
Well, it's pretty simple. Pittsburgh can't afford that type of market. Other teams can. Feel free to call back. Multiple lines are open.Explain to me how a skyrocketing wr market made it easier to sign Wallace away? I'll hang up and listen.
The 1st round pick carries some value that doesn't fluctuate (1M, 5M, 10M...who knows). As the salaries go up, the % of total compensation made up by that 1st round pick goes down. There is a fair amount of thought that Pitt is leery of matching a large contract to Wallace.Therefore, if the market had dictated Wallace as a 5M a year WR, the cost of including a 1st round pick would be either a greater % when it came to figuring out compensation (if Wallace received a market salary), or a larger % reduction in overall compensation (if Wallace's salary was reduced by the value of the 1st round pick).Now that Wallace looks more like a 10M a year WR, those %s are decreased by the 1st round pick.Explain to me how a skyrocketing wr market made it easier to sign Wallace away? I'll hang up and listen.
lolI love this stuff.Mike Wallace will obviously be shopping around for the best price.He would be a fool not to. The question is, will Pittsburgh match the offer,and force themselves to purge more players from their roster to make room for Wallace's matched contract.period.Well, it's pretty simple. Pittsburgh can't afford that type of market. Other teams can. Feel free to call back. Multiple lines are open.Explain to me how a skyrocketing wr market made it easier to sign Wallace away? I'll hang up and listen.![]()
If he's really worth that kind of money then giving up a very late first won't stop a team from making him an offer. I disagree though that he's worth more than VJax.Why would Wallace sign anything before he sees what kind of offers he gets if any?Except that Wallace & Pittsburgh are currently negoatiating.No reason for a team to be in a hurry to offer a tender, they have until April 20th.100% agree.Wallace's options are going to come down to playing for 2.7 mil, signing a cap friendly deal ala DJax, or holding out.The market conditions have made it too costly. Imagine laying out a contract like vjax's (Wallace would command a better contract then those other cats) plus giving a 1st rounder?Steelers played this perfectly. They're safe for 2012 with regards to Wallace.
That is the crux of the matter.I'm betting against a team making an offer that he will sign...but it certainly makes things interesting. Guess we will see.If he's really worth that kind of money then giving up a very late first won't stop a team from making him an offer. I disagree though that he's worth more than VJax.Why would Wallace sign anything before he sees what kind of offers he gets if any?Except that Wallace & Pittsburgh are currently negoatiating.No reason for a team to be in a hurry to offer a tender, they have until April 20th.100% agree.Wallace's options are going to come down to playing for 2.7 mil, signing a cap friendly deal ala DJax, or holding out.The market conditions have made it too costly. Imagine laying out a contract like vjax's (Wallace would command a better contract then those other cats) plus giving a 1st rounder?
Steelers played this perfectly. They're safe for 2012 with regards to Wallace.
You may disagree but he's younger, has put up similar to better numbers, and has a clean off field record. These are all points Wallace and his agent will point to when using VJax's contract as a jumping off point.If he's really worth that kind of money then giving up a very late first won't stop a team from making him an offer. I disagree though that he's worth more than VJax.Why would Wallace sign anything before he sees what kind of offers he gets if any?Except that Wallace & Pittsburgh are currently negoatiating.No reason for a team to be in a hurry to offer a tender, they have until April 20th.100% agree.Wallace's options are going to come down to playing for 2.7 mil, signing a cap friendly deal ala DJax, or holding out.The market conditions have made it too costly. Imagine laying out a contract like vjax's (Wallace would command a better contract then those other cats) plus giving a 1st rounder?Steelers played this perfectly. They're safe for 2012 with regards to Wallace.
So if that's the case, how can Pittsburgh possibly match a contract similar to that?You may disagree but he's younger, has put up similar to better numbers, and has a clean off field record. These are all points Wallace and his agent will point to when using VJax's contract as a jumping off point.
Some backwards logic here. Using the 30th picks contract from 2011 (7/30/2011: Signed a four-year, $6.87 million contract. The deal included a $3.5 million signing bonus.) That's a little over 1.5 million a year. What's more valuable to the acquiring team? Giving up say the 30th pick and 3.5 million more to get Mike Wallace or giving up the 30th pick and 8.5 million more to sign Wallace to a VJax contract? Those late 1st round picks are extremely valuable from a dollar cost basisThe 1st round pick carries some value that doesn't fluctuate (1M, 5M, 10M...who knows). As the salaries go up, the % of total compensation made up by that 1st round pick goes down. There is a fair amount of thought that Pitt is leery of matching a large contract to Wallace.Therefore, if the market had dictated Wallace as a 5M a year WR, the cost of including a 1st round pick would be either a greater % when it came to figuring out compensation (if Wallace received a market salary), or a larger % reduction in overall compensation (if Wallace's salary was reduced by the value of the 1st round pick).Now that Wallace looks more like a 10M a year WR, those %s are decreased by the 1st round pick.Explain to me how a skyrocketing wr market made it easier to sign Wallace away? I'll hang up and listen.
I highly doubt someone makes that offer sheet and surrenders their 1st rounder.So if that's the case, how can Pittsburgh possibly match a contract similar to that?You may disagree but he's younger, has put up similar to better numbers, and has a clean off field record. These are all points Wallace and his agent will point to when using VJax's contract as a jumping off point.
That's assuming who can draft a WR in the late 1st who doesn't bust. Plus it usually takes awhile for a WR to develop so by the time he's a top WR it's time to re-sign him to a big contract.Some backwards logic here. Using the 30th picks contract from 2011 (7/30/2011: Signed a four-year, $6.87 million contract. The deal included a $3.5 million signing bonus.) That's a little over 1.5 million a year. What's more valuable to the acquiring team?The 1st round pick carries some value that doesn't fluctuate (1M, 5M, 10M...who knows). As the salaries go up, the % of total compensation made up by that 1st round pick goes down.Explain to me how a skyrocketing wr market made it easier to sign Wallace away? I'll hang up and listen.
There is a fair amount of thought that Pitt is leery of matching a large contract to Wallace.
Therefore, if the market had dictated Wallace as a 5M a year WR, the cost of including a 1st round pick would be either a greater % when it came to figuring out compensation (if Wallace received a market salary), or a larger % reduction in overall compensation (if Wallace's salary was reduced by the value of the 1st round pick).
Now that Wallace looks more like a 10M a year WR, those %s are decreased by the 1st round pick.
Giving up say the 30th pick and 3.5 million more to get Mike Wallace or giving up the 30th pick and 8.5 million more to sign Wallace to a VJax contract?
Those late 1st round picks are extremely valuable from a dollar cost basis
But Ozzie has clearly stated from the beginning that the Ravens have absolutely no interest in Wallace.Baltimore is interestingly silent on the WR free agency front, despite saying they'd be getting Flacco sore help. Their #1 is late, and as someone said above those late picks not only take 2-3 years to mature and they can bust. I think the Ravens make a big play for him. Extra important benefit, immediately hurting their toughest division rival.
Ya and multiple sources have stated that franchising Rice will bind the Ravens from any big signings in FABut Ozzie has clearly stated from the beginning that the Ravens have absolutely no interest in Wallace.Baltimore is interestingly silent on the WR free agency front, despite saying they'd be getting Flacco sore help. Their #1 is late, and as someone said above those late picks not only take 2-3 years to mature and they can bust. I think the Ravens make a big play for him. Extra important benefit, immediately hurting their toughest division rival.![]()
Oh! Lemme delete my post then! LOLBut Ozzie has clearly stated from the beginning that the Ravens have absolutely no interest in Wallace.Baltimore is interestingly silent on the WR free agency front, despite saying they'd be getting Flacco sore help. Their #1 is late, and as someone said above those late picks not only take 2-3 years to mature and they can bust. I think the Ravens make a big play for him. Extra important benefit, immediately hurting their toughest division rival.![]()
#1 - A team isn't going to throw an offer at Wallace just to make Pittsburgh eat up salary cap room. Anyone who is going to make an offer to Wallace has to be prepared to sign him at those terms.#2 - Wallace doesn't have to sign an offer sheet just because it's presented to him. If someone offers 5 years at $40 million and he and his agent think he's worth more than the $55 million Jackson got, he won't sign it. He'll either hold out in camp to try and coerce the Steelers into offering what they believe he's worth or he'll play out the string this year at $2.7M and then try to break the bank next year when he's a UFA and 31 teams can make him an offer without having to give up their first rounder. The first round tender takes a lot of teams out of the equation...had he been a UFA this year, we'd have very likely seen a team like Jacksonville throw a huge offer his way. As an RFA, not so much. They may believe Wallace is worth $60M over 5 years, but not if they have to give up the #7 pick for him.Laurent Robinson: 5 yr, 32.5MMeachum: 4 yr, 26MD-Jax: 5 yr, 51MGarcon: 5 yr 42.5MV-Jax: 5 yr, 55.5MColston 5yr, 40MAmazing to me that no one has thrown a 5-year, 40M deal at Wallace...if for no other reason than to make Pitt match and eat up some salary room.
I don't believe he would turn down a decent offer to hold out nor do I think he'll play for $2.7M. One way or another he's going to sign a long-term deal.'Evilgrin 72 said:#1 - A team isn't going to throw an offer at Wallace just to make Pittsburgh eat up salary cap room. Anyone who is going to make an offer to Wallace has to be prepared to sign him at those terms.#2 - Wallace doesn't have to sign an offer sheet just because it's presented to him. If someone offers 5 years at $40 million and he and his agent think he's worth more than the $55 million Jackson got, he won't sign it. He'll either hold out in camp to try and coerce the Steelers into offering what they believe he's worth or he'll play out the string this year at $2.7M and then try to break the bank next year when he's a UFA and 31 teams can make him an offer without having to give up their first rounder. The first round tender takes a lot of teams out of the equation...had he been a UFA this year, we'd have very likely seen a team like Jacksonville throw a huge offer his way. As an RFA, not so much. They may believe Wallace is worth $60M over 5 years, but not if they have to give up the #7 pick for him.'Gawain said:Laurent Robinson: 5 yr, 32.5M
Meachum: 4 yr, 26M
D-Jax: 5 yr, 51M
Garcon: 5 yr 42.5M
V-Jax: 5 yr, 55.5M
Colston 5yr, 40M
Amazing to me that no one has thrown a 5-year, 40M deal at Wallace...if for no other reason than to make Pitt match and eat up some salary room.
I agree. You never know when it comes to these kind of dollar figures swirling around, but he's always been a guy that wants to be at the practice facility. I think he'd sleep there if he could. He just doesn't seem like the kind of player to holdout. I don't think it'll ever come to that anyway.I don't believe he would turn down a decent offer to hold out nor do I think he'll play for $2.7M. One way or another he's going to sign a long-term deal.'Evilgrin 72 said:#1 - A team isn't going to throw an offer at Wallace just to make Pittsburgh eat up salary cap room. Anyone who is going to make an offer to Wallace has to be prepared to sign him at those terms.#2 - Wallace doesn't have to sign an offer sheet just because it's presented to him. If someone offers 5 years at $40 million and he and his agent think he's worth more than the $55 million Jackson got, he won't sign it. He'll either hold out in camp to try and coerce the Steelers into offering what they believe he's worth or he'll play out the string this year at $2.7M and then try to break the bank next year when he's a UFA and 31 teams can make him an offer without having to give up their first rounder. The first round tender takes a lot of teams out of the equation...had he been a UFA this year, we'd have very likely seen a team like Jacksonville throw a huge offer his way. As an RFA, not so much. They may believe Wallace is worth $60M over 5 years, but not if they have to give up the #7 pick for him.'Gawain said:Laurent Robinson: 5 yr, 32.5M
Meachum: 4 yr, 26M
D-Jax: 5 yr, 51M
Garcon: 5 yr 42.5M
V-Jax: 5 yr, 55.5M
Colston 5yr, 40M
Amazing to me that no one has thrown a 5-year, 40M deal at Wallace...if for no other reason than to make Pitt match and eat up some salary room.
Why not? If they are going to use a 1st on a WR, why wouldn't they use it on a proven one?I highly doubt someone makes that offer sheet and surrenders their 1st rounder.So if that's the case, how can Pittsburgh possibly match a contract similar to that?You may disagree but he's younger, has put up similar to better numbers, and has a clean off field record. These are all points Wallace and his agent will point to when using VJax's contract as a jumping off point.
Exactly, this thing about the 1st is overblown.Why not? If they are going to use a 1st on a WR, why wouldn't they use it on a proven one?I highly doubt someone makes that offer sheet and surrenders their 1st rounder.So if that's the case, how can Pittsburgh possibly match a contract similar to that?You may disagree but he's younger, has put up similar to better numbers, and has a clean off field record. These are all points Wallace and his agent will point to when using VJax's contract as a jumping off point.
If they pay him 15 million this year and 9 million for three other years, Pittsburgh will certainly let him go..they could plop a HUGE roster bonus down for this year that PIT wouldn't be able to think about matching.
Does Pitt have to match the exact structure of the contract or just the money? If just the money, couldn't they structure the 15 mil as a signing bonus with a negligible salary this year and 9 mil the next 3 years? Then, the cap hit for this year would only be 4 million.If they pay him 15 million this year and 9 million for three other years, Pittsburgh will certainly let him go..they could plop a HUGE roster bonus down for this year that PIT wouldn't be able to think about matching.
Base structure, yep.But no incentives or poison pills anymore.Does Pitt have to match the exact structure of the contract or just the money? If just the money, couldn't they structure the 15 mil as a signing bonus with a negligible salary this year and 9 mil the next 3 years? Then, the cap hit for this year would only be 4 million.If they pay him 15 million this year and 9 million for three other years, Pittsburgh will certainly let him go..they could plop a HUGE roster bonus down for this year that PIT wouldn't be able to think about matching.
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 22, 2012, 9:52 AM EDT
AP
Mike Wallace is the best free agent available right now, but it appears that he’s going to need to lower his asking price significantly if he wants to do anything other than play for the Steelers on the one-year restricted free agent tender this season.
That’s the word out of San Francisco, where the 49ers had interest in signing Wallace until they found out how much money he wanted. Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee reports that Wallace wants a contract that surpasses the eight-year, $120 million deal that Larry Fitzgerald signed with the Cardinals.
If that’s what Wallace is going to demand of every team that shows interest, it’s hard to see any team signing him to an offer sheet, which would also require the team to give the Steelers a first-round draft pick if the Steelers choose not to match. (And the Steelers surely would choose not to match an offer sheet that gave Wallace more money than Fitzgerald.)
Wallace may end up deciding that unless some team offers him a monster contract, he’s better off staying in Pittsburgh on the one-year, $2.74 million restricted free agent tender and then becoming an unrestricted free agent next year — especially considering that the Steelers might not franchise him because Antonio Brown, last year’s team MVP, is set to become an unrestricted free agent next year, too.
As great a deep threat as Wallace is, he’s not as productive a receiver as Fitzgerald: Wallace’s career high in catches was 72 last year; Fitzgerald has had seasons of 80, 90, 96, 97, 100 and 103 catches. Wallace’s career high in yards was 1,257 two years ago; Fitzgerald has had four seasons of more than 1,400 yards. It’s not realistic to think Wallace will get more money than Fitzgerald. At least, not unless he has a great 2012 and becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2013.
I like Mike and all butMy link
Now I see why he has not signed yet.
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 22, 2012, 9:52 AM EDT
AP
Mike Wallace is the best free agent available right now, but it appears that he’s going to need to lower his asking price significantly if he wants to do anything other than play for the Steelers on the one-year restricted free agent tender this season.
That’s the word out of San Francisco, where the 49ers had interest in signing Wallace until they found out how much money he wanted. Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee reports that Wallace wants a contract that surpasses the eight-year, $120 million deal that Larry Fitzgerald signed with the Cardinals.
If that’s what Wallace is going to demand of every team that shows interest, it’s hard to see any team signing him to an offer sheet, which would also require the team to give the Steelers a first-round draft pick if the Steelers choose not to match. (And the Steelers surely would choose not to match an offer sheet that gave Wallace more money than Fitzgerald.)
Wallace may end up deciding that unless some team offers him a monster contract, he’s better off staying in Pittsburgh on the one-year, $2.74 million restricted free agent tender and then becoming an unrestricted free agent next year — especially considering that the Steelers might not franchise him because Antonio Brown, last year’s team MVP, is set to become an unrestricted free agent next year, too.
As great a deep threat as Wallace is, he’s not as productive a receiver as Fitzgerald: Wallace’s career high in catches was 72 last year; Fitzgerald has had seasons of 80, 90, 96, 97, 100 and 103 catches. Wallace’s career high in yards was 1,257 two years ago; Fitzgerald has had four seasons of more than 1,400 yards. It’s not realistic to think Wallace will get more money than Fitzgerald. At least, not unless he has a great 2012 and becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2013.
I disagree. I have thought all along that his best move is waiting it out to become a unrestricted free agent next year, when the new TV revenue is expected to raise salary caps through the roof. He very well may get that offer next season if the cap is raised by 40-50 million dollars, which I have seen posted here as a possibility.Really, I don't know why any notable free agent would sign anything more than a 1-year deal at this point, if that cash bonanza becomes a reality. The deals we may see next offseason could blow the big ones this year (Manning, Mario, Calvin etc) out of the water.I like Mike and all butMy link
Now I see why he has not signed yet.
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 22, 2012, 9:52 AM EDT
AP
Mike Wallace is the best free agent available right now, but it appears that he’s going to need to lower his asking price significantly if he wants to do anything other than play for the Steelers on the one-year restricted free agent tender this season.
That’s the word out of San Francisco, where the 49ers had interest in signing Wallace until they found out how much money he wanted. Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee reports that Wallace wants a contract that surpasses the eight-year, $120 million deal that Larry Fitzgerald signed with the Cardinals.
If that’s what Wallace is going to demand of every team that shows interest, it’s hard to see any team signing him to an offer sheet, which would also require the team to give the Steelers a first-round draft pick if the Steelers choose not to match. (And the Steelers surely would choose not to match an offer sheet that gave Wallace more money than Fitzgerald.)
Wallace may end up deciding that unless some team offers him a monster contract, he’s better off staying in Pittsburgh on the one-year, $2.74 million restricted free agent tender and then becoming an unrestricted free agent next year — especially considering that the Steelers might not franchise him because Antonio Brown, last year’s team MVP, is set to become an unrestricted free agent next year, too.
As great a deep threat as Wallace is, he’s not as productive a receiver as Fitzgerald: Wallace’s career high in catches was 72 last year; Fitzgerald has had seasons of 80, 90, 96, 97, 100 and 103 catches. Wallace’s career high in yards was 1,257 two years ago; Fitzgerald has had four seasons of more than 1,400 yards. It’s not realistic to think Wallace will get more money than Fitzgerald. At least, not unless he has a great 2012 and becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2013.That cat needs a new agent.
I edited my post above. Thinking he may be asking high now hoping to just play it out next year.However if he thinks he is worth 120 million he is delusional.I disagree. I have thought all along that his best move is waiting it out to become a unrestricted free agent next year, when the new TV revenue is expected to raise salary caps through the roof. He very well may get that offer next season if the cap is raised by 40-50 million dollars, which I have seen posted here as a possibility.Really, I don't know why any notable free agent would sign anything more than a 1-year deal at this point, if that cash bonanza becomes a reality. The deals we may see next offseason could blow the big ones this year (Manning, Mario, Calvin etc) out of the water.I like Mike and all butMy link
Now I see why he has not signed yet.
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 22, 2012, 9:52 AM EDT
AP
Mike Wallace is the best free agent available right now, but it appears that he’s going to need to lower his asking price significantly if he wants to do anything other than play for the Steelers on the one-year restricted free agent tender this season.
That’s the word out of San Francisco, where the 49ers had interest in signing Wallace until they found out how much money he wanted. Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee reports that Wallace wants a contract that surpasses the eight-year, $120 million deal that Larry Fitzgerald signed with the Cardinals.
If that’s what Wallace is going to demand of every team that shows interest, it’s hard to see any team signing him to an offer sheet, which would also require the team to give the Steelers a first-round draft pick if the Steelers choose not to match. (And the Steelers surely would choose not to match an offer sheet that gave Wallace more money than Fitzgerald.)
Wallace may end up deciding that unless some team offers him a monster contract, he’s better off staying in Pittsburgh on the one-year, $2.74 million restricted free agent tender and then becoming an unrestricted free agent next year — especially considering that the Steelers might not franchise him because Antonio Brown, last year’s team MVP, is set to become an unrestricted free agent next year, too.
As great a deep threat as Wallace is, he’s not as productive a receiver as Fitzgerald: Wallace’s career high in catches was 72 last year; Fitzgerald has had seasons of 80, 90, 96, 97, 100 and 103 catches. Wallace’s career high in yards was 1,257 two years ago; Fitzgerald has had four seasons of more than 1,400 yards. It’s not realistic to think Wallace will get more money than Fitzgerald. At least, not unless he has a great 2012 and becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2013.That cat needs a new agent.
Does anyone think this may be an "Old Boys Network" way of not driving up the prices onstar RFA's so owners can keep costs in check ?Shocking someone wouldn't give Wallace $60M AND surrender their 1st rounder. Shocking I say
It certainly feels like it.Does anyone think this may be an "Old Boys Network" way of not driving up the prices onstar RFA's so owners can keep costs in check ?Shocking someone wouldn't give Wallace $60M AND surrender their 1st rounder. Shocking I say