Norv Turner accepts OC job in San Francisco (1 Viewer)

[Jimmy James]

He had one very good year in Washington, that's it.

He had one great year in Washington and another pretty good one by my count (1999 and 1996). Look at who he had in that offense many of those DC years, though. Did Terry Allen frighten anybody? How about an out of gas Ellard?

What was the excuse for what happenned last year?

As I just mentioned, I saw 0 Raiders games. I'd like to know myself.ETA: Knowing what I do about Norv (mostly from friends of mine who are Reskins fans), I wouldn't be shocked to hear that Norv spent a lot of time fretting over things Randy Moss said. That was a mismatch from the start, I'm afraid.

 

[CalBear]

So he's failed with an improvisational QB without much of an arm, and he's also failed with a pocket QB with a strong arm, in very recent history. Uh...what kind of QB is it that works with "his offense"?

I don't think I got to see a single Raiders game this year (even the one with my beloved Dolphins), so I have no idea what went wrong there. It's beyond apparent that Fiedler isn't the type of QB who is cut out for Norv's offense, though. Clearly, the likes of Trent Green and Brad Johnson work pretty well as QB's in Norv's system. Ironically, so did Gus Frerotte, the Dolphins QB I can't wait to be sacked.

The Raiders were awful, that's what happened. Well, OK, their offense was only mediocre; they were 18th in yards per attempt passing and 21st in yards per attempt rushing (21st in yardage, 23th in scoring overall). That's pretty much the same as the numbers they put up in 2004. In the past two years, they've brought in the top free-agent QB, RB, and WR, and have yet to pass the mid-point in offensive production. How will Turner do with the #32 starting QB in the league and no WR who has ever had a 750-yard season?

 

[CalBear]

He had one very good year in Washington, that's it.

He had one great year in Washington and another pretty good one by my count (1999 and 1996). Look at who he had in that offense many of those DC years, though. Did Terry Allen frighten anybody? How about an out of gas Ellard?

In 1996 the Redskins had just 12 passing TDs. They were #8 in points scored, but only #16 in yardage; that's a mediocre year. Terry Allen had a great fantasy year, but the offense wasn't that good. And they were 9-7, lost six of their last eight and four of their last five to miss the playoffs. And the defense was #13 in points allowed, so it's not like it was a great offense that was hamstrung by a terrible defense.

 

[Otis]

Keep a very close eye on Frank Gore, and if you can get him at a good price today in dynasty leagues, jump on it.He is going to be REALLY good.

 

[toxicbees]

The 49er offense can't go anywhere but up. They were hands down the worst in the league. So I look at this as a positive. Norv should at least shake things up a little.I agree with everyone here, the niners are deep at RB, and I doubt they'll bring in anyone new. Barlow, Gore, Hicks and even Terry Jackson. They're more than covered there. What they do need is an entire offensive line. Baas the 2005 second round pick, at least looked good the last couple games at RG. But they need more talent on the o-line. They also need to draft a couple corners, the Niners had the worst passing D in the league. Shawntae Spencer has looked good the past two years, but they have no one beyond him. Ahmed Plummer has been a bust.The linebackers are a solid core. It's been surprising to me, that alot of mock drafts have the Niners drafting AJ Hawk. I don't think there is a chance in hell they draft AJ, because of their depth at that position. I see them rather going for the best corner at the combines with their first round pick.

 

[PMENFAN]

I just see this as a very intriguing move. I think you can steal Gore in about the 8-10 round. But, I can see Turner doing with him what he did w/ Lamont Jordan. Ricky Williams had his best years w/ Turner, as did LT and Jorday. Of late Turner seems to put it together for the RB's on his team. He isn't so good for QB's, but for RB's and touches, he's coming through.

 

[John 14:6]

Here you go!

Oooh, the thread got merged...

 

[PACKER 7]

Maybe I missed something, but why wouldn't Ricky consider a move to SF? Saban has already said he would consider trade offers. Anyone?

 

[CalBear]

Maybe I missed something, but why wouldn't Ricky consider a move to SF? Saban has already said he would consider trade offers.

Anyone?

Because SF has no need of an above-average-but-not-outstanding 29-year-old running back.

 

[Otis]

Maybe I missed something, but why wouldn't Ricky consider a move to SF? Saban has already said he would consider trade offers.

Anyone?

Because SF has no need of an above-average-but-not-outstanding 29-year-old running back.

Meh. I'll go out on a limb here and say that Ricky is talented as just about any other back in the league.

 

[CalBear]

Ricky has a 4.0 ypc career average, and the last time he was running on a really bad team (as SF will be in 2006) he averaged 3.5 yards per carry and only scored 10 TDs despite getting 442 touches. He's really only had one good year in his career. Ricky would not turn around the Niners franchise in one year, and he'd be gone before they really are competitive again.

 

[Jason Wood]

Maybe I missed something, but why wouldn't Ricky consider a move to SF? Saban has already said he would consider trade offers.

Anyone?

Maybe because Ricky left football largely because he didn't want to take the pounding he was subjected to under Wanny's watch. You think he relishes the idea of going to a team with a scrub young QB, no O-line and having to tote the rock 380 times a year?Don't fool yourself, Ricky would still be in India learning Bikram yoga were it not for the financial hole he was put in by the judge's ruling against him.

 

[Marvelous]

This hire warrents 2 very important questions:

1.  Who will be the starting RB, Gore or Barlow?

or

2.  Will Turner try and bring in "his" guy ala Jordan in Oak?

I would be surprised if Nolan brings in a free agent RB of ANY significant cost, with so many other holes needing to be filled. My money would be on Gore getting the shot, and Barlow being traded away to someone desperate enough for RB help to part with a 2nd day draft pick for him.

IMHO, the 49ers leading rusher in 2006 isn't currently on the roster.

I disagree. RB is their deepest position and I doubt they draft/sign anyone. Nolan has stated his offseason needs (and it was a LONG list) and RB was not one of them.

We shall see, but I think Barlow = gone, and my confidence in Gore certainly doesn't supercede my belief that the 49ers can and will draft at least one rookie who has as good a shot at being the team's top runner.

Jason, can you elaborate on why you think Barlow is gone? Is his contract to expensive? Or are the coaches fed up with him?

 

[Jason Wood]

This hire warrents 2 very important questions:

1.  Who will be the starting RB, Gore or Barlow?

or

2.  Will Turner try and bring in "his" guy ala Jordan in Oak?

I would be surprised if Nolan brings in a free agent RB of ANY significant cost, with so many other holes needing to be filled. My money would be on Gore getting the shot, and Barlow being traded away to someone desperate enough for RB help to part with a 2nd day draft pick for him.

IMHO, the 49ers leading rusher in 2006 isn't currently on the roster.

I disagree. RB is their deepest position and I doubt they draft/sign anyone. Nolan has stated his offseason needs (and it was a LONG list) and RB was not one of them.

We shall see, but I think Barlow = gone, and my confidence in Gore certainly doesn't supercede my belief that the 49ers can and will draft at least one rookie who has as good a shot at being the team's top runner.

Jason, can you elaborate on why you think Barlow is gone? Is his contract to expensive? Or are the coaches fed up with him?

A combination of both. This is the 2nd regime he's seemingly worn out his welcome with, and the 49ers can ill afford to keep someone around that isn't buying into the program 100%. The 49ers need to take steps in 2006, but no one is expecting a .500 season or better. Cut bait on Barlow now and go ahead with Gore and a rookie or two. As to his contract, he's due $2.5mm in 2006, palatable to be sure.

 

[Slinger]

recycle,recycle,recycle....

Man these guys just never go away do they. Nolan got his shot under Turner, so he owes this millionare a favor, BINGO OC job! I have no intentions of highjacking this thread and making it a racial thing, but when do black asst. check shots atthese jobs. Same rich failures getting fat paychecks from the NFL Faternity. Mike Sherman and Hasslett will be working some where as well in a week.

You belong in FFA with this mindless doom and gloom talk.