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Norwood V. Jacobs (1 Viewer)

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Two young backs I'm very intrigued by. It's easy to see scenarios where both can become very productive now or in the near future. So the big question is which one has more value from a keeper aspect? Also, what do you think the upside is for these two (and why)? Will they both eventually become #1 RBs for their team and if so, when do you think it will happen?

 
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I am more intrigued by Norwood. He has looked sharp to say the least. Atlanta has proven they don't need a bruiser type back, and I don't see their offense changing much in coming years, so I think he's in a great situation.

The Giants, however, could turn to more and more passing as Manning develops, and Tiki ages.

Also, I own Jacobs in both of my dynasty leagues, so I watched a lot of him last year, and quite frankly, I was not impressed at all. This year he looks MUCH better though, so I think he's a descent prospect himself, but I like Norwood a bit better.

 
I am more intrigued by Norwood. He has looked sharp to say the least. Atlanta has proven they don't need a bruiser type back, and I don't see their offense changing much in coming years, so I think he's in a great situation.The Giants, however, could turn to more and more passing as Manning develops, and Tiki ages.Also, I own Jacobs in both of my dynasty leagues, so I watched a lot of him last year, and quite frankly, I was not impressed at all. This year he looks MUCH better though, so I think he's a descent prospect himself, but I like Norwood a bit better.
That's pretty much how I see it although Jacobs did look much improved last week. I think another thing you have to look at is how much longer do you think Dunn and Tiki can play at their current level.
 
Tough call. Interesting, both young backs behind 30+ proven guys. Both will prob. inherit the mantle in the next 1-2 yrs. However, only 1 is similar to the current RBs style (Norwood).

*BUT* anyone who has seen Jacobs play know the dude is a Beast.

I think its a toss up that comes down to personal preference. I'd maybe opt for Jacobs, only bc I could see him becoming a Top 3 stud RB.

Norwood I think would produce at Dunn levels, making him a lower tier RB1, top tier RB2.

I think Jacobs upside exceeds that.

 
Doesn't stuff like this run a little on the ACF side of the Shark Pool? Ask me to comment on Norwood--fine. Ask for my opinion on Jacobs--sure. But when you ask me to compare two players together, it's sort of clear that you are looking for input on who to pick up/cut in your league, right?

General information/insights on Norwood helps lots of folks. General information/insights on Jacobs helps lots of folks. The relative value of Norwood vs. Jacobs speaks to not very many people, and doesn't add much to the Shark Pool. IMO, this should be moved to ACF. Sorry.

 
Tough call. Interesting, both young backs behind 30+ proven guys. Both will prob. inherit the mantle in the next 1-2 yrs. However, only 1 is similar to the current RBs style (Norwood).*BUT* anyone who has seen Jacobs play know the dude is a Beast. I think its a toss up that comes down to personal preference. I'd maybe opt for Jacobs, only bc I could see him becoming a Top 3 stud RB.Norwood I think would produce at Dunn levels, making him a lower tier RB1, top tier RB2.I think Jacobs upside exceeds that.
Interesting answer. How do you see Jacobs evolving in the passing game? Do you think he will eventually put up numbers in that area?
 
Doesn't stuff like this run a little on the ACF side of the Shark Pool? Ask me to comment on Norwood--fine. Ask for my opinion on Jacobs--sure. But when you ask me to compare two players together, it's sort of clear that you are looking for input on who to pick up/cut in your league, right?General information/insights on Norwood helps lots of folks. General information/insights on Jacobs helps lots of folks. The relative value of Norwood vs. Jacobs speaks to not very many people, and doesn't add much to the Shark Pool. IMO, this should be moved to ACF. Sorry.
Sorry but you're off on this. This has no effect on a roster move.I see these guys in very similar situations and was wondering how others see them. I'm basically trying to get info on both of them in one thread instead of starting two and felt this was a way to do it.
 
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Doesn't stuff like this run a little on the ACF side of the Shark Pool? Ask me to comment on Norwood--fine. Ask for my opinion on Jacobs--sure. But when you ask me to compare two players together, it's sort of clear that you are looking for input on who to pick up/cut in your league, right?General information/insights on Norwood helps lots of folks. General information/insights on Jacobs helps lots of folks. The relative value of Norwood vs. Jacobs speaks to not very many people, and doesn't add much to the Shark Pool. IMO, this should be moved to ACF. Sorry.
I'm going to leave this in the Shark Pool because both backs do appear to be in somewhat similar situations, so it could generate some good analysis beyond just "Whom should I trade for?"But in general, pinequick has a point.If you want this type of thread to stick around in the shark pool, it'd be better to share your own analysis and reasoning on the subject in the first post instead of just asking questions.
 
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Tough call. Interesting, both young backs behind 30+ proven guys. Both will prob. inherit the mantle in the next 1-2 yrs. However, only 1 is similar to the current RBs style (Norwood).*BUT* anyone who has seen Jacobs play know the dude is a Beast. I think its a toss up that comes down to personal preference. I'd maybe opt for Jacobs, only bc I could see him becoming a Top 3 stud RB.Norwood I think would produce at Dunn levels, making him a lower tier RB1, top tier RB2.I think Jacobs upside exceeds that.
Interesting answer. How do you see Jacobs evolving in the passing game? Do you think he will eventually put up numbers in that area?
Don't know enough to comment on Jacobs in the passing game. My friend will be here in 20 mins, he's a huge SEC guy and loves Jacbos. He went to Bama his brother went to Auburn, so he's pretty down with SEC players. I'll ask his input on that, see what he says.But I will tell you my buddy *loves* Jacobs and has been high on him since last year. Even actually drafted wicked early in our 05 draft.
 
Doesn't stuff like this run a little on the ACF side of the Shark Pool? Ask me to comment on Norwood--fine. Ask for my opinion on Jacobs--sure. But when you ask me to compare two players together, it's sort of clear that you are looking for input on who to pick up/cut in your league, right?General information/insights on Norwood helps lots of folks. General information/insights on Jacobs helps lots of folks. The relative value of Norwood vs. Jacobs speaks to not very many people, and doesn't add much to the Shark Pool. IMO, this should be moved to ACF. Sorry.
I'm going to leave this in the Shark Pool because both backs do appear to be in somewhat similar situations, so it could generate some good analysis beyond just "Whom should I trade for?"But in general, pinequick is right.If you want this type of thread to stick around in the shark pool, try sharing your own analysis and reasoning on the subject in the first post instead of just asking questions.
Will do. I haven't started many posts since I've been here and didn't realize that was the format. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
Doesn't stuff like this run a little on the ACF side of the Shark Pool? Ask me to comment on Norwood--fine. Ask for my opinion on Jacobs--sure. But when you ask me to compare two players together, it's sort of clear that you are looking for input on who to pick up/cut in your league, right?General information/insights on Norwood helps lots of folks. General information/insights on Jacobs helps lots of folks. The relative value of Norwood vs. Jacobs speaks to not very many people, and doesn't add much to the Shark Pool. IMO, this should be moved to ACF. Sorry.
I'm going to leave this in the Shark Pool because both backs do appear to be in somewhat similar situations, so it could generate some good analysis beyond just "Whom should I trade for?"But in general, pinequick is right.If you want this type of thread to stick around in the shark pool, try sharing your own analysis and reasoning on the subject in the first post instead of just asking questions.
Will do. I haven't started many posts since I've been here and didn't realize that was the format. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
No problem at all.
 
Went to Southern Illinois while Jacobs was there. I think the same concern that was there (durability; he didn't carry the load) will be the same as in the NFL.

He might be golden for a couple weeks, but I know I would not rely on him to be your next long-term answer at RB.

I have no idea, but who was the last RB at 6'4'' or even within an inch or two of that to have a long-term run at RB?? The only name that pops into my mind is Marcus Allen at 6'2'' (there's probably a few I've missed, but point being there haven't been many)

 
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Went to Southern Illinois while Jacobs was there. I think the same concern that was there (durability; he didn't carry the load) will be the same as in the NFL.He might be golden for a couple weeks, but I know I would not rely on him to be your next long-term answer at RB. I have no idea, but who was the last RB at 6'4'' or even within an inch or two of that to have a long-term run at RB?? The only name that pops into my mind is Marcus Allen at 6'2'' (there's probably a few I've missed, but point being there haven't been many)
True, but is that a function of 6'2+ rbs not being durable or a function of football players 6'2+ playing other positions, such as S, TE or WR??
 
I am probably going to get ripped for this, but people posting in the wrong forum is only a small part ofthe problem with the shark pool. Everyone griping about someone possibly posting in the wrong forum is a much bigger problem IMO. Take this post for example, when I started typing this only 6 of the 11 posts were about the original topic. 5 of the 11 were about how where and what to post. Thats 50% of the post that you have to sort through just to get to any useful information. Now that I got that off my chest yopu can add this response to the tally of having nothing to do with the original topic.

So, please let the Mods do their job. If a thread needs to be moved, I have full confidence that the Mods will move it with or without half the posts ripping someone for posting wrong.

If I happen to be interested in a thread, I like to be able to open it and have a majority of the posts actually be about the topic at hand. I am sure the Mods could PM a guy if they post improperly. It doesn't take everyone and their dog to tell a person.

End of rant! And I am sorry if I offended anyone.

 
Went to Southern Illinois while Jacobs was there. I think the same concern that was there (durability; he didn't carry the load) will be the same as in the NFL.He might be golden for a couple weeks, but I know I would not rely on him to be your next long-term answer at RB. I have no idea, but who was the last RB at 6'4'' or even within an inch or two of that to have a long-term run at RB?? The only name that pops into my mind is Marcus Allen at 6'2'' (there's probably a few I've missed, but point being there haven't been many)
True, but is that a function of 6'2+ rbs not being durable or a function of football players 6'2+ playing other positions, such as S, TE or WR??
I don't think there's a large enough sample size to question how durable. .I just think there's a reason most guys Jacobs size are switched positions by programs. (Durability/Upside at another position/Current needs of the individual program I'd imagine are the primary reasons). I believe Auburn wanted him to change to LB (with Cadillac and Brown here).You obviously need your legs to run and it's a lot harder for a 6'4'' guy to bend down to absorb all the blows to the lower half than it is for a 5'10-5'11 guy to do it. Seems elementary, but that's why I believe there haven't been many tall RB's asked or succeeded in the NFL.IMO It's a lot more likely to see these 5'6-5'7 guys have a long-term career at RB than guys like Jacobs. I personally think height (lack of) has no bearing whether you can succeed in the league (it's how your weight is distributed within that frame).
 
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Very tough call. Trying to prophecy, I think Jacobs is in the monster back mold. He may have a huge season or two in him, but he's just too big to take the pounding in the NFL for very many years. I know it's fun to say the little guys cannot take it, but the truth is the big guys get blasted out of the league, have shortened careers, but have some very productive seasons/stretches... Okoye, Word, Means, Butts, and many others. Catching Jacobs at his best, I agree, may produce a top 5 back with 20+ TDs.

Norwood should be productive longer.

:crackedcrystalballandall:

 
Given the two QB situations, I think Jacobs has more upside. Vick's presence will always work against the fantasy value of his RB. Not only will he vulture some goalline TDs directly and through option plays, but I don't think teams will ever view him as a a big enough passing threat to the point where they are willing to relax defending the run in order to stop the passing game. Manning, however, looks more like the type of QB who can really help the production of a fantasy back. He isn't going to steal many carries or rushing TDs and he can make defenses worry about him killing them with the passing game and playing back off the line.

 
I am probably going to get ripped for this, but people posting in the wrong forum is only a small part ofthe problem with the shark pool. Everyone griping about someone possibly posting in the wrong forum is a much bigger problem IMO. Take this post for example, when I started typing this only 6 of the 11 posts were about the original topic. 5 of the 11 were about how where and what to post. Thats 50% of the post that you have to sort through just to get to any useful information. Now that I got that off my chest yopu can add this response to the tally of having nothing to do with the original topic.

So, please let the Mods do their job. If a thread needs to be moved, I have full confidence that the Mods will move it with or without half the posts ripping someone for posting wrong.

If I happen to be interested in a thread, I like to be able to open it and have a majority of the posts actually be about the topic at hand. I am sure the Mods could PM a guy if they post improperly. It doesn't take everyone and their dog to tell a person.

End of rant! And I am sorry if I offended anyone.
:confused: Not sure I can find a post in this entire thread where anyone is being ripped. Folks who are new may take a few posts to figure out what flies in the Shark Pool--I know I did. If somebody would have given me a heads-up, it probably would have made my acclimation easier/faster.I think a friendly heads-up is a lot better than just having someone hit the "Report" button, having your thread moved, and not really knowing why. . .

 
I think another thing you have to look at is how much longer do you think Dunn and Tiki can play at their current level.
I was going to mention that, but honestly, I think they are in pretty similar boats. I couldn't make a confident guess as to who will retire sooner.
 
Doesn't stuff like this run a little on the ACF side of the Shark Pool? Ask me to comment on Norwood--fine. Ask for my opinion on Jacobs--sure. But when you ask me to compare two players together, it's sort of clear that you are looking for input on who to pick up/cut in your league, right?General information/insights on Norwood helps lots of folks. General information/insights on Jacobs helps lots of folks. The relative value of Norwood vs. Jacobs speaks to not very many people, and doesn't add much to the Shark Pool. IMO, this should be moved to ACF. Sorry.
I'm going to leave this in the Shark Pool because both backs do appear to be in somewhat similar situations, so it could generate some good analysis beyond just "Whom should I trade for?"But in general, pinequick has a point.If you want this type of thread to stick around in the shark pool, it'd be better to share your own analysis and reasoning on the subject in the first post instead of just asking questions.
Honestly, I can't believe this has even been brought up. As much as I have disagreed with Boston (usually about the Pats) in the past, he is (or, will be) one of the best members on this site. I have absolutely no doubt this was anything close to a WSIS, in his mind.Anyway, back to football... The Pats were lucky as hell to win that game last week! :hot:
 
Jacobs runs much too upright and I dont think he has a very good chance to succeed with his running style and size

 
Jacobs runs much too upright and I dont think he has a very good chance to succeed with his running style and size
That's a little different than a guy @ 5'10 and 200 lbs running upright. W/ Jacobs @ 6'4" and what 265? he's bigger than 90% of the LBs and I'd bet a good portion of DE's in the league. Who is bouncing off who?His speed is what amazes me for a guy that big. Don't know his 40 times, but I'd guess he's in the 4.6ish range from watching him play.Disclaimer: I'm stashing him in a keeper league (non cuff) and have him as my "Leroy Hoard" play in a $$ re-draft. Happy about both right now since he's developing nicely and getting more opps in NY. I think he'll come close to averaging 50 and .5 tds all year as the #2. If Tiki goes down he'd easily push top 10 #s with that O line IMO (ala LJ last year). Not sure about his "durability" being a 25 carry/game guy which was questioned above, but he certainly looks like he'd be able to handle the punishment.
 
I am probably going to get ripped for this, but people posting in the wrong forum is only a small part ofthe problem with the shark pool. Everyone griping about someone possibly posting in the wrong forum is a much bigger problem IMO. Take this post for example, when I started typing this only 6 of the 11 posts were about the original topic. 5 of the 11 were about how where and what to post. Thats 50% of the post that you have to sort through just to get to any useful information. Now that I got that off my chest yopu can add this response to the tally of having nothing to do with the original topic.

So, please let the Mods do their job. If a thread needs to be moved, I have full confidence that the Mods will move it with or without half the posts ripping someone for posting wrong.

If I happen to be interested in a thread, I like to be able to open it and have a majority of the posts actually be about the topic at hand. I am sure the Mods could PM a guy if they post improperly. It doesn't take everyone and their dog to tell a person.

End of rant! And I am sorry if I offended anyone.
:confused: Not sure I can find a post in this entire thread where anyone is being ripped. Folks who are new may take a few posts to figure out what flies in the Shark Pool--I know I did. If somebody would have given me a heads-up, it probably would have made my acclimation easier/faster.I think a friendly heads-up is a lot better than just having someone hit the "Report" button, having your thread moved, and not really knowing why. . .
Sorry again for the rant. You are right, in this particular thread there wasn't much ripping. I was talking more in general there is a lot of ripping people going on in other threads. I am trying to say, don't "Report" someone or tell them that they posted improperly. That is the job of board moderator. I have no problem with a Mod moving a thread and then having 1 post in the thread explaining to the original poster why it was moved. That 1 post should be made by whichever Mod moved it. The Mods can then keep a mental note of whose posts are being moved and if it gets to be a habit for certain individuals, then they can politely PM the offending party. It is just frustrating when a thread has many posts saying that it was posted wrong. "Ripping" was a poor choice of words by me in my original post.

Now I appologize again because I am actually doing the same thing that I am griping about right now, but I didn't want you to think I was accusing you of ripping someone. I should have probably written this in the "AC forum being a redheaded step child" thread from yesterday.

Peace, Out!!

 
Went to Southern Illinois while Jacobs was there. I think the same concern that was there (durability; he didn't carry the load) will be the same as in the NFL.He might be golden for a couple weeks, but I know I would not rely on him to be your next long-term answer at RB. I have no idea, but who was the last RB at 6'4'' or even within an inch or two of that to have a long-term run at RB?? The only name that pops into my mind is Marcus Allen at 6'2'' (there's probably a few I've missed, but point being there haven't been many)
I believe Eddie George was 6' 3" and around 240 lbs. Chris Brown is 6' 3" too . Eddie of course was very durable Chris has not been.
 
Two young backs I'm very intrigued by. It's easy to see scenarios where both can become very productive now or in the near future. So the big question is which one has more value from a keeper aspect? Also, what do you think the upside is for these two (and why)? Will they both eventually become #1 RBs for their team and if so, when do you think it will happen?
Good question. I've been wondering the same thing. Both backs are in similar situations. I think if Barber or Dunn goes down, these backs have huge potential. Of course, this is based on my limited observation of them playing. They are both making good impressions when they do get the ball. I read an interview with Tiki earlier this year, and he said he welcomes the relief Jacobs will give him.
 
I'm a Redskins fan, but god I love watching Jacobs play...he is just as big as most D-linemen and just plows over people. Overall though I'm a huge Norwood fan, he's fast, seems like a hardworker so far. Carolina's run defense collapsed last week but he put up some decent numbers for a rookie.

 
Doesn't stuff like this run a little on the ACF side of the Shark Pool? Ask me to comment on Norwood--fine. Ask for my opinion on Jacobs--sure. But when you ask me to compare two players together, it's sort of clear that you are looking for input on who to pick up/cut in your league, right?General information/insights on Norwood helps lots of folks. General information/insights on Jacobs helps lots of folks. The relative value of Norwood vs. Jacobs speaks to not very many people, and doesn't add much to the Shark Pool. IMO, this should be moved to ACF. Sorry.
:lmao:
 
Very tough call. Trying to prophecy, I think Jacobs is in the monster back mold. He may have a huge season or two in him, but he's just too big to take the pounding in the NFL for very many years. I know it's fun to say the little guys cannot take it, but the truth is the big guys get blasted out of the league, have shortened careers, but have some very productive seasons/stretches... Okoye, Word, Means, Butts, and many others. Catching Jacobs at his best, I agree, may produce a top 5 back with 20+ TDs. Norwood should be productive longer. :crackedcrystalballandall:
:goodposting: Thats the way I see it as well your smaller backs tend to be more elusive and try to avoid contact, your bigger backs try to use their size and go after defenders so to speak and try to take them on.
 
I am probably going to get ripped for this, but people posting in the wrong forum is only a small part ofthe problem with the shark pool. Everyone griping about someone possibly posting in the wrong forum is a much bigger problem IMO. Take this post for example, when I started typing this only 6 of the 11 posts were about the original topic. 5 of the 11 were about how where and what to post. Thats 50% of the post that you have to sort through just to get to any useful information. Now that I got that off my chest yopu can add this response to the tally of having nothing to do with the original topic.

So, please let the Mods do their job. If a thread needs to be moved, I have full confidence that the Mods will move it with or without half the posts ripping someone for posting wrong.

If I happen to be interested in a thread, I like to be able to open it and have a majority of the posts actually be about the topic at hand. I am sure the Mods could PM a guy if they post improperly. It doesn't take everyone and their dog to tell a person.

End of rant! And I am sorry if I offended anyone.
:goodposting:
 
Went to Southern Illinois while Jacobs was there. I think the same concern that was there (durability; he didn't carry the load) will be the same as in the NFL.He might be golden for a couple weeks, but I know I would not rely on him to be your next long-term answer at RB. I have no idea, but who was the last RB at 6'4'' or even within an inch or two of that to have a long-term run at RB?? The only name that pops into my mind is Marcus Allen at 6'2'' (there's probably a few I've missed, but point being there haven't been many)
Cool, a fellow Saluki. I wasn't there for the Jacobs era. Wasn't Whitlock the better RB?
 

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