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Now THIS is an interconnect cable! (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
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Those reviews are awesome:
Andy Dufresne
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Foosball God
Foos
Those reviews are awesome:
videoguy505
Footballguy
As I said in the audiophile thread, anyone who buys these is wasting their money. They should be saving up for these:
http://www.mitcables.com/index.php?option=...1&Itemid=41
8-foot speaker cables, Ferrari finish, starting at $24,900. If that's too far over your budget, you can check out the previous versions in the clearance bin in the 6-12K range, but obviously, you'll get what you pay for quality-wise.
http://www.mitcables.com/index.php?option=...1&Itemid=41
8-foot speaker cables, Ferrari finish, starting at $24,900. If that's too far over your budget, you can check out the previous versions in the clearance bin in the 6-12K range, but obviously, you'll get what you pay for quality-wise.
Icedrinking
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This is Gavin @ MIT Cables. I found out about this string because so many of you have looked at our Oracle Speaker Cables thanks to a link in a previous post.
The debate about cables and their cost vs. benefit has been going on for a VERY long time. Many have tried to either prove or disprove a cable's worth by doing one of several different tests... double blind tests are the most popular. I've found that the only person who can determine if a premium cable is worth the price is the listener. The way an audio system sounds is subject to the listener's taste.
Do I think the Denon cable is worth $500? I think I'll just decline to answer.
If you are curious if a premium cable is worth the price, go to our homepage - http://www.mitcables.com - and enter to win one of our AVt Speaker Cables. If you win, you can check them out and chime back in to this forum to tell the rest of us what you think.
While you're on the site, go to the reference library and read through some of our whitepapers - http://www.mitcables.com/index.php?option=...6&Itemid=91 . All of the technical information is there. Also, check out the patents - http://www.mitcables.com/index.php?option=...4&Itemid=88 - that have been awarded and note how many of them are technology patents, not just design patents like our competitors. MIT has the most technology patents of any cable manufacturer.
The debate about cables and their cost vs. benefit has been going on for a VERY long time. Many have tried to either prove or disprove a cable's worth by doing one of several different tests... double blind tests are the most popular. I've found that the only person who can determine if a premium cable is worth the price is the listener. The way an audio system sounds is subject to the listener's taste.
Do I think the Denon cable is worth $500? I think I'll just decline to answer.
If you are curious if a premium cable is worth the price, go to our homepage - http://www.mitcables.com - and enter to win one of our AVt Speaker Cables. If you win, you can check them out and chime back in to this forum to tell the rest of us what you think.
While you're on the site, go to the reference library and read through some of our whitepapers - http://www.mitcables.com/index.php?option=...6&Itemid=91 . All of the technical information is there. Also, check out the patents - http://www.mitcables.com/index.php?option=...4&Itemid=88 - that have been awarded and note how many of them are technology patents, not just design patents like our competitors. MIT has the most technology patents of any cable manufacturer.
I bought 3 of the 24k speaker cables and I can't beleive my ears. Music, the like I have never known, is pouring through every orifice in my body. I must say that MIT cables has completed my existence and I am now living for the first time.
Mr. Pickles
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Mad Cow
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Koya
Footballguy
I have spent upwards of $250 on a cable - audio only. As is true with all audiophile equipement (1) it comes down to YOUR ears and what sounds best, (2) YMMV and (3) audio is a case of diminishing returns. I can tell you that a $500 receiver is a lot better than a $150 one. And a $1200 dollar pre amp matched with the right $1300 power amp is going to demolish that $500 receiver.
At this point, your returns diminish big time. Yes, a $10,000 pre amp and comparable power amp will sound better than the $2500 system, and a $100,000 system will sound better yet... but most would not even be able to hear the difference.
Thats what makes one person a lover of and listener to music and another an audiophile.
It's a disease. I have it... but not the means to get past my current level (my system if bought new would probably be about 10k and I would have to spend 25k to get a significant improvement imo).
At this point, your returns diminish big time. Yes, a $10,000 pre amp and comparable power amp will sound better than the $2500 system, and a $100,000 system will sound better yet... but most would not even be able to hear the difference.
Thats what makes one person a lover of and listener to music and another an audiophile.
It's a disease. I have it... but not the means to get past my current level (my system if bought new would probably be about 10k and I would have to spend 25k to get a significant improvement imo).
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
If you're blowing big bucks on digital cables, you probably have a mental disorder.
Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
videoguy505
Footballguy
Absolutely.Let me first start out with an illustration. I have two cars. The first is an Isuzu Trooper. It's a great small SUV that has it's pros and cons. As it is only worth about $2,000, there's no way I'd spend $2,500 on the tires I put on it. On the other hand, I have a BMW 3 series that is worth considerably more than the Trooper. It is a pleasure to drive and the part I like most about it is how I feel "a part of the road" when I'm driving it. $2,500 is a small price to pay to put excellent tires on it so I can get the performance I want out of it. The horsepower, torque, 0-60 performance, etc. means nothing if I can't feel one with the road. So it is with all audio equipment.
I wouldn't expect the average audiophile to spend $26,000 on a pair of speaker cables if they were running a $5,000, $10,000, $15,000 or even $20,000 system. It wouldn't make sense. However, If I was running a very expensive system THAT I ENJOY and I wanted to fine tune it... I certainly would.
Now, let's talk about the value.
I encourage you to go onto our website and look up the technology page. This page explains about our Multipole Technology. Each audio interface will have measurable components of inductance, resistance, and capacitance. The different combinations, or values of those components create a point of magnitude (Pole), somewhere within the audio range. Every cable will have one measurable, and definable pole that will determine the articulation range for transferring the signal. When comparing this articulation pole from manufacturer to manufacturer, it will usually be centered at different frequencies. The placement of this articulation pole is the main reason we hear differences in cables.
MIT's patented passive networks create a solution for allowing all of the frequencies, and all of the music from your recordings to be heard without either emphasizing or de-emphasizing any of the music. This creates many poles or points within the signal. This is measureable, definable, and provable. We refer to this solution as Multipole Technology.
For reference purposes, various MIT Multi-pole technology levels can ascertained on all of our products. The Oracle MA, for example ( http://www.mitcables.com/index.php?option=...;product_id=419 ), attains from 71 to 75 poles of articulation. Thus we assert it is 71 to 75 times better than normal cable... because it is!
Will you hear the difference? YES! Will you like what you hear? I'd bet the farm that you will.
Seriously, take this challenge. Go the MIT's website and find a dealer near you ( http://www.mitcables.com/index.php?option=...A&Itemid=62 ). Have the dealer do an A/B demonstration and then come back and report what you hear. And, while you're on MIT's site, try to grab a free set of cables to try out. We're giving a pair away on July 2nd. You just have to enter the contest ( http://www.mitcables.com ).
And remember that MIT doesn't just make the ultra-high-end stuff. There's a product for every budget and each one will be better than just regular cable alone. A good rule of thumb is to spend 15% to 20% of your total system budget on cables. So, if you have a $1000 system, don't spend more than a couple hundred bucks!
The great cable debate will probably last longer than you and I will live. Value is subjective. So is performance. But I hope this was helpful.
Happy listening!
chet
Footballguy
Yes, but there is marketing expense too.
Sorry I don't have a BMW, because I can't find anyone stupid enough to bamboozle into spending $26,000 on cables.
Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
Pretty sure there is a hefty stupid tax built into this one, too.
Rock Lonemilk
Footballguy
Friday came early this week.
Love the gavn8r alias for the MIT guy.
Love the gavn8r alias for the MIT guy.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
I am getting a coathanger for my connections.
Only trouble is, I want the coathanger from Raiders of the Lost Ark, and they want $74,000 for it.
Only trouble is, I want the coathanger from Raiders of the Lost Ark, and they want $74,000 for it.
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"monoprice's cables, being the low cost alternative they are, are frequently known to drop some instruments entirely. Frequent complaints are a muting of the bass..even moreso if it's upright. Woodwinds typically are dropped entirely and singers with british accents typically are the only ones to come through cleanly"
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Mad Cow
Welshers and Dawdlers Beware!
Shut up - is that on their website?"monoprice's cables, being the low cost alternative they are, are frequently known to drop some instruments entirely. Frequent complaints are a muting of the bass..even moreso if it's upright. Woodwinds typically are dropped entirely and singers with british accents typically are the only ones to come through cleanly"
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Insoxicated
Shut up - is that on their website?"monoprice's cables, being the low cost alternative they are, are frequently known to drop some instruments entirely. Frequent complaints are a muting of the bass..even moreso if it's upright. Woodwinds typically are dropped entirely and singers with british accents typically are the only ones to come through cleanly"
bakes
I am the Beer God!
I doubt that that's an alias... seriously!
Aside: As an audiophile, and as someone who has friends who are off-the-deep-end audiophiles, yes, cables make a difference - but unless you have electronics and speakers that will show that difference, along with ears capable of hearing the difference, you're pissing your money away.
MIT, etc are excellent cables, no doubt - a friend has a tube system hooked up to a pair of Infinity RSIIb speakers where changing out interconnects did make a "yeah, it's not just trying to justify the cash outlay, there's an improvement in the sound here" difference, but unless you're into high end audio, save your money and go with monoprice.
Aside: As an audiophile, and as someone who has friends who are off-the-deep-end audiophiles, yes, cables make a difference - but unless you have electronics and speakers that will show that difference, along with ears capable of hearing the difference, you're pissing your money away.
MIT, etc are excellent cables, no doubt - a friend has a tube system hooked up to a pair of Infinity RSIIb speakers where changing out interconnects did make a "yeah, it's not just trying to justify the cash outlay, there's an improvement in the sound here" difference, but unless you're into high end audio, save your money and go with monoprice.
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Insoxicated
Why would you drop 5-6 figures on a sound system and then listen to it in such a horrible acoustic environment as that?
Foosball God
Foos
I'd just like to commend whoever created the gavin8r alias on their stellar research. If only all alias creators were so dedicated.
bakes
I am the Beer God!
They won't fit through the doors of his house. Plus outdoors isn't necessarily a bad listening environment - as long as your neighbors are fine with it. He picked up (well, not literally... they weigh 500 lbs each) three of those monsters from a theater in Nebraska that was redoing its system, and had them shipped to Wake Forest. Cost him more to ship them than it did to buy them. 
2 15" woofers in each of the big boxes, with 10-cell horns on top, 107 decibels output with one watt at one meter. They get crazy loud. I told him to hook them up to his biggest amp, get out his Who's Next CD, cue up the primal scream in "Won't Get Fooled Again," crank that sucker, and press "play." Preferably at 6 AM. 
He's looking for a new house where he can put in a dedicated listening room. Right now he has all kinds of killer speakers and systems in various rooms.
RexGrossman Fan
Footballguy
videoguy505
Footballguy
This thread still cracks me up :(
Especially when I'm down on the mix stage at work. 88-something channels, the board is so large there are two mixers running it, we've got 4 ProTools up and running, mastering in 5.1 dolby, the whole room is upwards of half-a-million dollars, and the whole thing is patched together with copper 3-prong XLR mic cables.
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Third
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studs?
