Now...who do the Rams take? (1 Viewer)

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

my money is on Chris Long?

But their is also Dorsey, Gholston.....what if they took Brandon Albert?

They need Oline bad and how far has he risen up the draft boards?

 

[Chaos Commish]

I liked the argument for Gholston, not that I think he's the best choice.

 

[Sinrman]

I see Long, then Gholston... or possibly trade it away to someone wanting one of those two very badly...

 

[Abraham]

Glenn Dorsey sliding to 2 is a no-brainer IMO. But I'm guessing they take Gholston.

 

[sholditch]

The rams need help on both sides of the ball, but it seems that O-line is the more pressing need. I think 2 is too high for Albert, but what do I know, he might be worth it. They could trade down with the Chiefs and reasonably expect that one of those four (C. Long. Gholston, Dorsey, Albert) will be there. However if the Chiefs trade up they will be taking either Albert or Clady.

Anyone know why Clady is falling to the extent that he is?

 

[Abraham]

The rams need help on both sides of the ball, but it seems that O-line is the more pressing need. I think 2 is too high for Albert, but what do I know, he might be worth it. They could trade down with the Chiefs and reasonably expect that one of those four (C. Long. Gholston, Dorsey, Albert) will be there. However if the Chiefs trade up they will be taking either Albert or Clady.

Anyone know why Clady is falling to the extent that he is?

1. The draft hasn't happened yet, he could easily go as high as KC.2. He was a late riser (as was Albert) and those folks tend to slide a bit in this last week, settling about middle between the hype (high side) and the obscurity (low side).

 

[T Man]

I think they should trade the pick -- even if the numbers don't add up. If the Saints offer a 1st and 2nd, do the deal and pick an OL plus someone for their defense. If they could drop down to 5 or 6 that would be even better as they could take Ellis if they wanted an interior DL (I like Dorsey more, but I think Ellis will be good).

But I think StL looks for what they think is equal value and a deal doesn't get done. Given that Carriker played well on the interior, I don't see the reason to move him to the end to accommodate a rookie. If that is the case, I think Gholston is the pick. Long may be the safer, wiser pick (a steady starter for many years), but Gholston has greater potential IMHO to be a star (or a bust).

 

[Jason Wood]

I heard some chatter about the team moving Adam Carriker to DE if they took Dorsey (this was on NFL Total Access last night). That makes little to no sense to me; so I'm going to go ahead and say they'll take Dorsey. According to Schefter, both Darren McFadden and Glen Dorsey are above Chris Long on their draft chart.

 

[twitch]

Despite disagreeing, I'll fall in line with Adam Schefter. He thinks the Rams are going with Glenn Dorsey. So my money is on him.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

St Louis will trade with Baltimore or New Orleans and end up with Ryan Clady or Branden Albert and some extra draft picks.

 

[Jason Wood]

St Louis will trade with Baltimore or New Orleans and end up with Ryan Clady or Branden Albert and some extra draft picks.

I don't think there's a prayer Baltimore trades up New Orleans is definitely a possibility, at least if we're to believe published reports; but it's always easier to talk about a team moving up into the top 10 than it is to actually pull it off.

 

[Abraham]

I heard some chatter about the team moving Adam Carriker to DE if they took Dorsey (this was on NFL Total Access last night). That makes little to no sense to me; so I'm going to go ahead and say they'll take Dorsey. According to Schefter, both Darren McFadden and Glen Dorsey are above Chris Long on their draft chart.

Carriker played DE in college, with great success. He and Dorsey next to each other would provide a phenomenal side of the line, particularly against the run where they both excel.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Dorsey.

More likely they trade it.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

howie long jr.

 

[zadok]

Dorsey, if they are smart.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Dorsey.More likely they trade it.

Why does everyone always say teams are going to "most likely" trade down?Heard it with Miami, Oakland last year, and obviously a ton of other places."More likely" or "most likely" implies a >50% chance. In today's NFL, that's just not a reality.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Dorsey.More likely they trade it.

Why does everyone always say teams are going to "most likely" trade down?Heard it with Miami, Oakland last year, and obviously a ton of other places."More likely" or "most likely" implies a >50% chance. In today's NFL, that's just not a reality.

I'm the original "hate the trade down talk" guy. But this year, there's players worth trading up for and teams seemingly willing to do so.I suppose it's better said "If they don't trade the pick, they'll likely take Dorsey."

 

[NYRAGE]

Gholston - they need a pass rush. He has a higher ceiling on that turf (imo)

 

[Jason Wood]

Dorsey.More likely they trade it.

Why does everyone always say teams are going to "most likely" trade down?Heard it with Miami, Oakland last year, and obviously a ton of other places."More likely" or "most likely" implies a >50% chance. In today's NFL, that's just not a reality.

I'm the original "hate the trade down talk" guy. But this year, there's players worth trading up for and teams seemingly willing to do so.I suppose it's better said "If they don't trade the pick, they'll likely take Dorsey."

Yup. Keys is right though. It's never "likely" a team is going to trade out of the top 5 unless they outright come out and say, "we don't want this pick and are willing to listen to any and all offers." Until teams REALLY start believing the price of a top 5 pick is too restrictive while they try and rebuild, these trades will be hard to pull off.

 

[RBM]

Has to be Dorsey

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Dorsey.

More likely they trade it.

Why does everyone always say teams are going to "most likely" trade down?Heard it with Miami, Oakland last year, and obviously a ton of other places.

"More likely" or "most likely" implies a >50% chance. In today's NFL, that's just not a reality.

I'm the original "hate the trade down talk" guy. But this year, there's players worth trading up for and teams seemingly willing to do so.I suppose it's better said "If they don't trade the pick, they'll likely take Dorsey."

Yup. Keys is right though. It's never "likely" a team is going to trade out of the top 5 unless they outright come out and say, "we don't want this pick and are willing to listen to any and all offers." Until teams REALLY start believing the price of a top 5 pick is too restrictive while they try and rebuild, these trades will be hard to pull off.

I'll admit I said that wrong. I think it's more likely that they would like to trade the pick. And if something close to reasonable comes along, I'm sure they'd consider it. If not, Dorsey should be the pick. But fortunately for them, they really can't get it wrong as any of Dorsey/Gholston/Long really helps them.The McFadden talk is BS.

 

[Blackjacks]

If the Rams could move back from 2 to 10 with New Orleans and pick up a #1 next year or (2) #2's and still get Albert I would be very happy. If they stay pat I hope the pick is Long but I'm starting to think it is Dorsey.

 

[massraider]

Dorsey.

More likely they trade it.

Why does everyone always say teams are going to "most likely" trade down?Heard it with Miami, Oakland last year, and obviously a ton of other places.

"More likely" or "most likely" implies a >50% chance. In today's NFL, that's just not a reality.

I'm the original "hate the trade down talk" guy. But this year, there's players worth trading up for and teams seemingly willing to do so.I suppose it's better said "If they don't trade the pick, they'll likely take Dorsey."

Yup. Keys is right though. It's never "likely" a team is going to trade out of the top 5 unless they outright come out and say, "we don't want this pick and are willing to listen to any and all offers." Until teams REALLY start believing the price of a top 5 pick is too restrictive while they try and rebuild, these trades will be hard to pull off.

I'll admit I said that wrong. I think it's more likely that they would like to trade the pick. And if something close to reasonable comes along, I'm sure they'd consider it. If not, Dorsey should be the pick. But fortunately for them, they really can't get it wrong as any of Dorsey/Gholston/Long really helps them.The McFadden talk is BS.

I find it hilarious that people are accusing you of being the "trade down guy". I think the Rams can make a mistake. I think passing on Long or Dorsey is a mistake. McFadden? Whatever, not gonna happen, but would be mind-boggling if it did.

Gholston over Dorsey or Son of Howie is a major mistake, IMO.

 

[Christo]

I heard some chatter about the team moving Adam Carriker to DE if they took Dorsey (this was on NFL Total Access last night). That makes little to no sense to me; so I'm going to go ahead and say they'll take Dorsey. According to Schefter, both Darren McFadden and Glen Dorsey are above Chris Long on their draft chart.

Carriker played DE in college, with great success. He and Dorsey next to each other would provide a phenomenal side of the line, particularly against the run where they both excel.

 

[twitch]

Just as an FYI, no team has traded down out of the top 7 since '03. Certainly possible the Rams move the pick. Just not likely. Should hear something about working on a deal if not later today, definitely by tomorrow.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

You can pretty much eliminate STL trading down to #5. KC brass has repeatedly said, and rightly so, that they want as many picks as possible due to the need at many positions.

 

[massraider]

I don't think any trade talk heats up until after ATL, and probably OAK.

KC's spot is the first one that makes sense.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Dorsey.More likely they trade it.

Why does everyone always say teams are going to "most likely" trade down?Heard it with Miami, Oakland last year, and obviously a ton of other places."More likely" or "most likely" implies a >50% chance. In today's NFL, that's just not a reality.

I'm the original "hate the trade down talk" guy. But this year, there's players worth trading up for and teams seemingly willing to do so.I suppose it's better said "If they don't trade the pick, they'll likely take Dorsey."

Yup. Keys is right though. It's never "likely" a team is going to trade out of the top 5 unless they outright come out and say, "we don't want this pick and are willing to listen to any and all offers." Until teams REALLY start believing the price of a top 5 pick is too restrictive while they try and rebuild, these trades will be hard to pull off.

Old trade chart = no chance anyone moves up into the top 5New trade chart = very real chance someone moves up

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Just as an FYI, no team has traded down out of the top 7 since '03. Certainly possible the Rams move the pick. Just not likely. Should hear something about working on a deal if not later today, definitely by tomorrow.

That's because to move up a team would have to pay a ton of picks plus pay the bonus/salary of the player they move up to draft. If teams are talking with the new trade chart it's more likely that a trade will occur.

 

[stbugs]

Just as an FYI, no team has traded down out of the top 7 since '03. Certainly possible the Rams move the pick. Just not likely. Should hear something about working on a deal if not later today, definitely by tomorrow.

That is a very odd way to say it, because then the 2004 trade between the Giants and Chargers effectively swapping Manning #1 for Rivers #4/other picks doesn't count. The cutoff at #7 is kind of arbitrary as well since Houston traded down out of the #8 slot last year.

Also, it kind of excludes the Randy Moss trade where Minny got the #7 pick and the 49ers/Pats deal involving this year's #7. The funny thing is it doesn't exclude the Browns trade with Dallas last year, which before the season everyone assumed would have been a top 7 pick in 2008.

Anyway, not saying it happens a lot, but there have been a few trades out of/with the #1 overall pick in recent history and before that as well (Elway), so it absolutely doesn't preclude a trade. Personally, I just think the success of Indy/NE out of the late 1st round along with the ridiculous $$$ thrown at top picks who either take a few years to get a return (Braylon Edwards) or are clearly not worth it (Alex Smith, Caddy, Benson, etc.).

Heck, even look at a somewhat successful Ronnie Brown. Sure, an injury derailed what was looking like a great 2007 season, but let's be honest. He has 2517 rushing yards and 13 TDs in 3 seasons and if he doesn't make it back quickly, that total won't increase much in his 4th season. Whether or not he will become a great player, his rookie contract was for 5 years and $35 million. If it takes him a bit to get back this year, then that is very little return and in most people's eyes, Ronnie Brown is a decent draft pick.

 

[Bob Magaw]

i'm not sure if saying rams have mcfadden higher on their board means they would actually take him, or just that he is a higher graded prospect... the need on DL is far greater than RB, & STL expected to re-sign jackson to long term extension...

i have to think dorsey & c. long are close... if dorsey is in fact higher on rams board, he may well be the pick... i'd be very happy with either of these guys (i would have been with j. long, too... i probably had it dorsey, j. long, c. long)...

BTW, jim thomas (sporting news beat writer for STL) suggested that carriker would remain at DT even if they get dorsey, with ryan & glover in a rotation (this could be the initial plan, but doesn't mean it couldn't happen down the road... carriker and long have some similarities, though long of course has higher grade)... little is ahead of schedule on rehab, & '07 DET free agent james hall was cut & re-signed to more cap friendly-terms... those guys are old, so they do need reinforcements...

with carriker & ryan, i don't think there is much question DE more pressing need... gholston could have highest upside, but might be liability in run... c. long is very advanced technically & is a historically good prospect in terms of his hands... some dis his upside, but imo he could be better than kerney... kerney cost a ton to go to SEA, yet was one of few pricey free agents that was without question worth the money (led NFC in sacks)... & c. long must be more than half a decade younger... that would be a sound investment at 1.2, & also c. long will help in the run game...

as much as i like c. long, if the rams take dorsey (i hope they do, not sure if it is about 50/50 what they actually do), it won't be because of team need, because DT not as great as DE, but because they think dorsey can be a bigger difference maker & impactful on defense, & is an even rarer talent...

a trade down to saints is interesting, if they could scoop up an extra second...

would you rather have dorsey, or something like harvey/albert/rivers/mckelvin PLUS guy like SS tyrell johnson or OT duane brown (what they might get with saints pick)... its tempting, but i think i'd rather have dorsey...

* as far as trading down, last time they were in this neighborhood they picked potential future HoFer pace... if they had traded down (instead of up slightly for pace) to add bodies, it is unlikely or at least unclear if they would have fared as well... was walter jones (or ogden) in that draft... that would have been a nice trade down...

dorsey is thought by some to be best defensive player & maybe overall prospect in the draft, so it won't be a shocker if the rams stay put & grab him (they need an impact, difference maker on the DL about as much as any team in the NFL)... in top 10, KC, NE & maybe ATL could make sense to trade down, CIN, NO & possibly BAL to trade up...

 

[brock]

mcfadden

 

[Lord of the Rings]

Baltimore trades up into the #2 slot and grabs M. Ryan away from ATL. STL drafts either Clady or Albert in the #8 spot.

 

[Bob Magaw]

jim thomas answers the question, if dorsey is selected, will carriker play DT or DE... yes (both, situationally)

Q - If we end up drafting Dorsey at #2 or trade down and get Ellis as some say we will, Can we slide Carriker out to the end position? I have heard this move being made without ever questioning if Carriker can play DE and this level. Is he quick enough to provide pressure on a QB or will be be more of a Grant Wistrom type ie: great motor ,great character but just an average player or maybe a little above average. Your thoughts?

A - Jim Thomas: Tim--I've mentioned this a few times. If it's Dorsey, Dorsey and Carriker became the starters in the base defense, with Glover and Ryan rotating in off the bench. Carriker would move to end in certain situations. (Run downs, short-yardage, goal-line). He actually played a lot of end over the second half of the season. One reason why the Rams drafted Carriker is his versality. This would be the chance to use that versatility. Although Carriker isn't what you'd call the ideal pass rusher at end.

* if the rams get dorsey, he & carriker would be a nice young DT tandem to build the defense around (witherspoon & atogwe also young keepers)... STL might actually be able to stop the run for a change (signs & wonders)... stopping the run would help the secondary indirectly by creating tougher to convert, down-and-distance passing situations on third down...

wrap it up, b(ill devaney)

 

[Andy Dufresne]

jim thomas answers the question, if dorsey is selected, will carriker play DT or DE... yes (both, situationally)Q - If we end up drafting Dorsey at #2 or trade down and get Ellis as some say we will, Can we slide Carriker out to the end position? I have heard this move being made without ever questioning if Carriker can play DE and this level. Is he quick enough to provide pressure on a QB or will be be more of a Grant Wistrom type ie: great motor ,great character but just an average player or maybe a little above average. Your thoughts? A - Jim Thomas: Tim--I've mentioned this a few times. If it's Dorsey, Dorsey and Carriker became the starters in the base defense, with Glover and Ryan rotating in off the bench. Carriker would move to end in certain situations. (Run downs, short-yardage, goal-line). He actually played a lot of end over the second half of the season. One reason why the Rams drafted Carriker is his versality. This would be the chance to use that versatility. Although Carriker isn't what you'd call the ideal pass rusher at end.

Carriker would be used just like Green Bay uses Cullen Jenkins.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Baltimore trades up into the #2 slot and grabs M. Ryan away from ATL. STL drafts either Clady or Albert in the #8 spot.

as we get closer to the draft...I think this could happen......if Balt REALLy covets Ryan....they know there are 3 teams ahead of them that may pull the trigger ATL....KC.....and NYJ.....

 

[Jason Wood]

Baltimore trades up into the #2 slot and grabs M. Ryan away from ATL. STL drafts either Clady or Albert in the #8 spot.

as we get closer to the draft...I think this could happen......if Balt REALLy covets Ryan....they know there are 3 teams ahead of them that may pull the trigger ATL....KC.....and NYG.....

Not going to happen IMHO. Ravens are interested in trading DOWN not up; Ozzie is no fool.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

The rams need help on both sides of the ball, but it seems that O-line is the more pressing need. I think 2 is too high for Albert, but what do I know, he might be worth it. They could trade down with the Chiefs and reasonably expect that one of those four (C. Long. Gholston, Dorsey, Albert) will be there. However if the Chiefs trade up they will be taking either Albert or Clady.Anyone know why Clady is falling to the extent that he is?

Chiefs trading up makes no sense.Chiefs trading down with New England,New England takes either McFadden of Gholstonjust to stick it to the J-E-T-S.this would be classic Belichick.

 

[Bob Magaw]

probably not likely, but if ATL really covets dorsey more than c. long & ryan, & it looks like STL will take him, & falcons have three 2nds, would it make sense to deal one to move up one spot & take dorsey (or they could just play chicken & hope rams take c. long)...

i'm sure rams would be happy with c. long & 2nd...

IF KC wants to jump to 1.2 to get ryan (could be ATL pick if dorsey gone), interestingly rams STILL might get c. long... first four in that scenario might be j. long, ryan, dorsey, mcfadden/gholston...

 

[Ron_Mexico]

probably not likely, but if ATL really covets dorsey more than c. long & ryan, & it looks like STL will take him, & falcons have three 2nds, would it make sense to deal one to move up one spot & take dorsey (or they could just play chicken & hope rams take c. long)...

Atlanta can't afford to deal away high draft picksjust to move up one spot in the first round. Not a chance of this happening, imo.They should consider dealing one of their 2nd round picks for a 1st in 2009.It's all about the rebuild in the ATL.

 

[Jason Wood]

probably not likely, but if ATL really covets dorsey more than c. long & ryan, & it looks like STL will take him, & falcons have three 2nds, would it make sense to deal one to move up one spot & take dorsey (or they could just play chicken & hope rams take c. long)...

Atlanta can't afford to deal away high draft picksjust to move up one spot in the first round. Not a chance of this happening, imo.They should consider dealing one of their 2nd round picks for a 1st in 2009.It's all about the rebuild in the ATL.

I agree. I think the more likely scenario is for ATL to trade back into the 1st round a second time and select the QB of their choice.

 

[cacksman]

The rams need help on both sides of the ball, but it seems that O-line is the more pressing need. I think 2 is too high for Albert, but what do I know, he might be worth it. They could trade down with the Chiefs and reasonably expect that one of those four (C. Long. Gholston, Dorsey, Albert) will be there. However if the Chiefs trade up they will be taking either Albert or Clady.

Anyone know why Clady is falling to the extent that he is?

Chiefs trading up makes no sense.Chiefs trading down with New England,

New England takes either McFadden of Gholston

just to stick it to the J-E-T-S.

this would be classic Belichick.

That would be ######ed of NE. The Jets would then just draft whoever NE didnt, and be happy.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Would love to see KC give NE an assist and pick up more picks....and let Herm screw his old team in the process!

 

[twitch]

I dont think the Rams are trading that pick because there's no one worth moving up that high for. The premier QB in this draft threw 19 picks last year. That's a bit of a flaw, imo. Baltimore's not doing that because Newsome isnt an idiot. Ryan is a good prospect. Not a great one. Brohm is just as good, imo. He lost his HC his senior year and the entire team suffered. His #s were better than Ryan's. Both guys should be good pros. Neither guy needs to go in the top 3. jmho.

Every other team from #3-7 knows theyre getting a player they want by staying put or even trading down. Any team outside of the top 10 making that kindof a push will give up far too much in the way of picks and contract dollars. The Rams are gonna be torn between an inside Dline anchor or an edge rusher. Personally, I think theyre crazy if they pass on Chris Long. That kid may be the Dend equivalent of Peyton Manning. And Im just not passing that up.

 

[MrPhoenix]

Options I see:

1. They take Chris Long. The safe and possibly most marketable name out there because of the Howie Long connection. Guy is the complete package at DE.

2. They take Glenn Dorsey. The high upside pick, but is he healthy? Some are calling him the next Sapp. Could very well be.

3. They trade the pick to someone wanting McFadden. Depends on what they get.

I just can't see them taking a Freeney-type in Gholston that high when Long or Dorsey would fill in a lot better. Dorsey would make a lot of sense. Remember, before he was injured, Dorsey was a solid pick for #1 overall. The guy can play. I'd still rather see Chris Long at #2, but I'd be happy with Dorsey or, again depending on what they get, a trade down.

 

[Bob Magaw]

probably not likely, but if ATL really covets dorsey more than c. long & ryan, & it looks like STL will take him, & falcons have three 2nds, would it make sense to deal one to move up one spot & take dorsey (or they could just play chicken & hope rams take c. long)...

Atlanta can't afford to deal away high draft picksjust to move up one spot in the first round. Not a chance of this happening, imo.They should consider dealing one of their 2nd round picks for a 1st in 2009.It's all about the rebuild in the ATL.

i don't agree that it is impossible, but i did say not likely...if they like ryan & c. long about as much, than obviously no brainer for ATL to stay where they are... my speculation was based on what if they like dorsey a lot more... i don't think we know that isn't the case... in fact, i just read jim thomas report that ATL was one of just two teams (with NO) to make trade overtures so far with STL, though nothing concrete was mentioned...the rams weren't a great team when vermiel swapped with parcells the 1.1 for 1.2 (i think that was move made at top... & i doubt if they had three 2nds that year)... of couse maybe pace was far higher graded prospect than dorsey...* i don't think it is hugely controversial to suggest that ATL may like dorsey a lot more than c. long or ryan... they just spent a high pick on a DE last year (though anderson admittedly didn't set the world on fire... another reason to suggest dorsey, who would help make him better, possibly like okoye did with mario williams in HOU), could have shot at brohm, henne or flacco in 2nd (assuming they keep top pick in 2nd, & prospectively dealt middle or last 2nd to STL... we don't know, but it is possible they grade one or several of these QBs nearly as high or as high as ryan), & new HC came from JAX, where they had a lot of success building defense around DTs stroud & hendo...whether they like him a 2nd more, i don't know...but i'm guessing that possibility could be closer to 10-15%, than less than 1%...even if ATL did deal, say the mid or last 2nd, it would still leave them with two more in that round...** more thoughts...what would ATL do with ryan anyways, they would have nobody to block for him... this is a new front office & coaching staff, & while i wouldn't expect there to be intense pressure to win right away, dorsey could probably do a lot more for the team in next few years...i agree that ATL has a lot of holes, & that could recommend keeping all those valuable 2nd rounders... though, IF dorsey is such a massive difference maker that he makes rest of DL, LBs & secondary better by his presence, that would be tantamount to making some holes go away...again, i'm not sure if he is THAT good, but if the falcons think he is (& more so than c. long, for instance), i don't think parting with one of three 2nds is preposterous & out of the question to get a linchpin, cornerstone defender that could elevate his teammates and "change the beat" on defense (he is said to bring ray lewis & bob sanders like passion, intensity & leadership... though imo long & ryan also offer great intangibles at their respective positions)...now i'm talking myself into the rams keeping dorsey for themselves!

 

[heidbrink]

could they put up a trade for CJ cinci WOULD take? .... hmmmm

 

[Obie Wan]

Rams will take whoever will agree to the better contract.

The league is talking crap about not letting the Rams negotiate.

The RAms should call their bluff and force the league to implement a rookie wage scale as part of the next CBA.

 

[jurb26]

Rams will take whoever will agree to the better contract.The league is talking crap about not letting the Rams negotiate.The RAms should call their bluff and force the league to implement a rookie wage scale as part of the next CBA.

The league will not allow St.L to talk to another player until all the dots are above the i's and crosses through the t's. The contract must be totally finalized for St.L to be permitted to talk to another player and I don't think that has officially happened yet.