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NY Giants Sign Torain & Lumpkin (1 Viewer)

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From RW:

Giants agreed to terms with RB Ryan Torain.

Torain has been out of the league since the Redskins cut him on the heels of a 3.4 YPC average last December. He's a power back similar to Andre Brown while Kregg Lumpkin is a superior receiver and special teamer. Torain is the better bet to see carries as the third back in the Giants committee, but he's not yet on the fantasy radar. S Selvish Capers was waived in a corresponding move.

Giants agreed to terms with RB Kregg Lumpkin.

Lumpkin won't have fantasy value as the third-stringer. He averaged just 3.4 yards on 31 carries with the Bucs last season.

 
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Do any of these guys threaten Wilson as the #2?
Given the recent quotes from coaches, I don't think David is in the Coughlin Circle of trust. My take:Bradshaw (bell cow)Wilson (CoP only)Torrain (Guy who is happy to have a paycheck again & ready to break up the wedge on ST)
 
Do any of these guys threaten Wilson as the #2?
They may not even be able to do that.
I don't think they will threaten Wilson. Recent comments by coaches say that Wilson is the next guy up and is expected to share the load. The Giants offense works best when it's an even mix of run and pass since they use play-action so much. Bradshaw I expect to get the goal line carries and what he has been getting. I don't think he'll get a big increase in touches because his feet can't take much more.Wilson should get the amount of touches Brown was getting. Though he may not get used in the same way as Brown.
 
'lod01 said:
:thumbup: Great news for us Bradshaw owners. Neither is a threat.
Curious what sort of week 12 street FA your thought the Giants could possibly sign that would haven threatened Bradshaw? :confused:
 
From RW:Giants agreed to terms with RB Ryan Torain.Torain has been out of the league since the Redskins cut him on the heels of a 3.4 YPC average last December. He's a power back similar to Andre Brown while Kregg Lumpkin is a superior receiver and special teamer. Torain is the better bet to see carries as the third back in the Giants committee, but he's not yet on the fantasy radar. S Selvish Capers was waived in a corresponding move.Giants agreed to terms with RB Kregg Lumpkin.Lumpkin won't have fantasy value as the third-stringer. He averaged just 3.4 yards on 31 carries with the Bucs last season.
IR rule, Brown will be back, and Wilson was drafted for a reason.Torrain had his days and I imagine they had him in mind. That was a real fast signing. Lumpkin guess his agent called and said what about my boy and he looked good in a tryout.
 
'lod01 said:
:thumbup: Great news for us Bradshaw owners. Neither is a threat.
Curious what sort of week 12 street FA your thought the Giants could possibly sign that would haven threatened Bradshaw? :confused:
For as long as I can remember, Giants RBs wore down late in the regular season and either missed time or worried us considerably for FF. I feel like little Tiki was always hurt then Jacobs and Ward traded years they were hurt.I wouldn't be surprised if Bradshaw gets decent stats and the Giants get the lead, then Bradshaw rests that foot for the playoffs. He's been hurt since preseason hasn't he? Just looked hand hurt in preseason, foot hurt since October. Regardless, we are getting near the time where teams rest their starters if they can afford to do so. Gmen have two game lead over Washington and prob need to go 3-2 to make playoffs, 2-3 might make it. That's so doable.Barden(who I was dead wrong on earlier) is a free agent soon so maybe they rest always banged up Nicks too and take a closer look at big Ramses Barden.The Giants have definitely limped into the playoffs some years.Wilson has the chance to be eerily similar to Bradshaw when he was a rook.Bradshaw played against Ds that were tired of being pounded by big Ward and bigger Jacobs, he played mostly in the fourth Q and his speed "killed" then. He was certainly an extra weapon added to the arsenal.Wilson can so do that now. It would be sweet to have Brown return for the playoffs and Wilson is their third gun.
 
I get this unsettling feeling that this is going to hurt bradshaw for fantasy all the way around, whether its they use the new guys at the goal line or whatever. Maybe I'm a doom & gloomer this morning but my first thought on this is "great, bradshaw gets to be the bell cow but two weeks from now when I need him in the playoffs they will be resting him for their real playoffs because he simply can't carry the ball that much."

Hope I'm wrong but something in the gut tells me when you lose one guy and you have an apparent replacement already on the tea, yet you go out and sign TWO guys, its not a good thing.

 
I get this unsettling feeling that this is going to hurt bradshaw for fantasy all the way around, whether its they use the new guys at the goal line or whatever. Maybe I'm a doom & gloomer this morning but my first thought on this is "great, bradshaw gets to be the bell cow but two weeks from now when I need him in the playoffs they will be resting him for their real playoffs because he simply can't carry the ball that much." Hope I'm wrong but something in the gut tells me when you lose one guy and you have an apparent replacement already on the tea, yet you go out and sign TWO guys, its not a good thing.
As a Giants fan, I think you are thinking into this too much. This is a good thing for Bradshaw. If it continues to be mostly Bradshaw/Wilson then Bradshaw will definitely be the goal line guy. He will get what Brown was getting and more. Wilson will be used between the 20's to rest Bradshaw and for some COP plays.They signed 2 guys because they need depth. Brown was their depth guy and now he's gone. Everyone knows Bradshaw could go down at any minute and then they are left with just Wilson, a rookie that they don't trust yet. Of course they had to sign some guys.
 
I get this unsettling feeling that this is going to hurt bradshaw for fantasy all the way around, whether its they use the new guys at the goal line or whatever. Maybe I'm a doom & gloomer this morning but my first thought on this is "great, bradshaw gets to be the bell cow but two weeks from now when I need him in the playoffs they will be resting him for their real playoffs because he simply can't carry the ball that much." Hope I'm wrong but something in the gut tells me when you lose one guy and you have an apparent replacement already on the tea, yet you go out and sign TWO guys, its not a good thing.
I'm feeling it too. My first thought was that these guys are a very real threat to get goal line work. Bradshaw is nursing an injury and you bring in two experienced, hard-nosed runners like these guys? They may not be world beaters but let's not forget how many stickers Andre Brown had on his suitcase before becoming the #2 and goal line back in NYG...
 
It's hard to say what will happen. It seems they've had ample opportunity to rest Bradshaw but haven't. For example, he got a heavy load early in the season and they didn't take things easy on him in camp. Bradshaw got 30 and 27 carries in the Browns and 49ers games. It seems like they could have done a better job of sharing the load amongst the RBs.

Perhaps they believed that the foot was healed to where it would hold up. Or they wanted to find out once and for all if it would hold up and do so early in the season so they'd have time to adjust for it. Could be they figured why risk dinging all the RBs up. Run Bradshaw as much as they can and if he has gets hurt go to the next guy.

Down to two RBs that know the system, I wonder if they share the load or still give Bradshaw the bulk and deal with the consequences it has on his feet if or when they occur.

 
I get this unsettling feeling that this is going to hurt bradshaw for fantasy all the way around, whether its they use the new guys at the goal line or whatever. Maybe I'm a doom & gloomer this morning but my first thought on this is "great, bradshaw gets to be the bell cow but two weeks from now when I need him in the playoffs they will be resting him for their real playoffs because he simply can't carry the ball that much." Hope I'm wrong but something in the gut tells me when you lose one guy and you have an apparent replacement already on the tea, yet you go out and sign TWO guys, its not a good thing.
As a Giants fan, I think you are thinking into this too much. This is a good thing for Bradshaw. If it continues to be mostly Bradshaw/Wilson then Bradshaw will definitely be the goal line guy. He will get what Brown was getting and more. Wilson will be used between the 20's to rest Bradshaw and for some COP plays.They signed 2 guys because they need depth. Brown was their depth guy and now he's gone. Everyone knows Bradshaw could go down at any minute and then they are left with just Wilson, a rookie that they don't trust yet. Of course they had to sign some guys.
I can see it going as you say and like I said, maybe I'm gloom & doom, but that depth guy you mentioned (Brown) was getting ff production and was eating into Bradshaw's productivity. guess I'm just saying there must be a real concern on how much run they want to give Bradshaw. If they openly expressed concern before the season started about his carries, they can't be feeling better about it now 3/4 into the season. Guess I'm just hoping they don't run him to death for two weeks and then pull him back when he is really needed (by ff'ers) OR they run him more and he gets hobbled.
 
I get this unsettling feeling that this is going to hurt bradshaw for fantasy all the way around, whether its they use the new guys at the goal line or whatever. Maybe I'm a doom & gloomer this morning but my first thought on this is "great, bradshaw gets to be the bell cow but two weeks from now when I need him in the playoffs they will be resting him for their real playoffs because he simply can't carry the ball that much." Hope I'm wrong but something in the gut tells me when you lose one guy and you have an apparent replacement already on the tea, yet you go out and sign TWO guys, its not a good thing.
I'm not concerned about the FA's. I think it's so they can start learning the system now while Bradshaw and Wilson can play. Rather than wait till there's and injury that puts Bradshaw or Wilson out, then the FA would only get a week of work in before he'd be pressed into service.
 
I get this unsettling feeling that this is going to hurt bradshaw for fantasy all the way around, whether its they use the new guys at the goal line or whatever. Maybe I'm a doom & gloomer this morning but my first thought on this is "great, bradshaw gets to be the bell cow but two weeks from now when I need him in the playoffs they will be resting him for their real playoffs because he simply can't carry the ball that much." Hope I'm wrong but something in the gut tells me when you lose one guy and you have an apparent replacement already on the tea, yet you go out and sign TWO guys, its not a good thing.
As a Giants fan, I think you are thinking into this too much. This is a good thing for Bradshaw. If it continues to be mostly Bradshaw/Wilson then Bradshaw will definitely be the goal line guy. He will get what Brown was getting and more. Wilson will be used between the 20's to rest Bradshaw and for some COP plays.They signed 2 guys because they need depth. Brown was their depth guy and now he's gone. Everyone knows Bradshaw could go down at any minute and then they are left with just Wilson, a rookie that they don't trust yet. Of course they had to sign some guys.
I can see it going as you say and like I said, maybe I'm gloom & doom, but that depth guy you mentioned (Brown) was getting ff production and was eating into Bradshaw's productivity. guess I'm just saying there must be a real concern on how much run they want to give Bradshaw. If they openly expressed concern before the season started about his carries, they can't be feeling better about it now 3/4 into the season. Guess I'm just hoping they don't run him to death for two weeks and then pull him back when he is really needed (by ff'ers) OR they run him more and he gets hobbled.
The only reason Brown was eating into Bradshaw's production was because he did very well when he was forced into the starting role due to the Bradshaw injury. As a Giants fan, having a Brown/Bradshaw combination was the best combination running game we've seen in a while and it will be missed. As far as fantasy goes, Brown was really killing Bradshaw's goal line carries. With Brown out, I can't say for sure what the new committee will be, but I can't imagine the goal line carries going to someone besides Bradshaw. As far as running Bradshaw to death, I think Coughlin knows that's not an option with his health issues. The Giants need him for a playoff run and I can't see them over working him now. I think Wilson will see a lot more carries and I think Hynoski will be back there more often for protection on passing plays.
 
I get this unsettling feeling that this is going to hurt bradshaw for fantasy all the way around, whether its they use the new guys at the goal line or whatever. Maybe I'm a doom & gloomer this morning but my first thought on this is "great, bradshaw gets to be the bell cow but two weeks from now when I need him in the playoffs they will be resting him for their real playoffs because he simply can't carry the ball that much."

Hope I'm wrong but something in the gut tells me when you lose one guy and you have an apparent replacement already on the tea, yet you go out and sign TWO guys, its not a good thing.
As a Giants fan, I think you are thinking into this too much. This is a good thing for Bradshaw. If it continues to be mostly Bradshaw/Wilson then Bradshaw will definitely be the goal line guy. He will get what Brown was getting and more. Wilson will be used between the 20's to rest Bradshaw and for some COP plays.They signed 2 guys because they need depth. Brown was their depth guy and now he's gone. Everyone knows Bradshaw could go down at any minute and then they are left with just Wilson, a rookie that they don't trust yet. Of course they had to sign some guys.
I can see it going as you say and like I said, maybe I'm gloom & doom, but that depth guy you mentioned (Brown) was getting ff production and was eating into Bradshaw's productivity. guess I'm just saying there must be a real concern on how much run they want to give Bradshaw. If they openly expressed concern before the season started about his carries, they can't be feeling better about it now 3/4 into the season. Guess I'm just hoping they don't run him to death for two weeks and then pull him back when he is really needed (by ff'ers) OR they run him more and he gets hobbled.
That looks to be what they are doing. In preseason I thought Bradshaw would be on a "pitch count" but that doesn't seem to be the case. He's gotten carries when there was no need to like the 200 yard game. They've had places where Bradshaw's carries could have been trimmed but haven't done so.However he did share the load with Brown in the Packers game. So hard to say what will happen with Bradshaw and Wilson. I do think they trust Wilson way more than the FA's.

A win vs the Redskins increases the chance that Bradshaw sees some rest. The Giants would only have to win one more game to win their division if they beat the 'Skins on Monday. A round one bye would be the other thing to play for but that might be out of reach. I doubt they catch the Falcons and they are a game behind the Bears and 49ers. And have the tie break against the Packers.

 
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I get this unsettling feeling that this is going to hurt bradshaw for fantasy all the way around, whether its they use the new guys at the goal line or whatever. Maybe I'm a doom & gloomer this morning but my first thought on this is "great, bradshaw gets to be the bell cow but two weeks from now when I need him in the playoffs they will be resting him for their real playoffs because he simply can't carry the ball that much." Hope I'm wrong but something in the gut tells me when you lose one guy and you have an apparent replacement already on the tea, yet you go out and sign TWO guys, its not a good thing.
As a Giants fan, I think you are thinking into this too much. This is a good thing for Bradshaw. If it continues to be mostly Bradshaw/Wilson then Bradshaw will definitely be the goal line guy. He will get what Brown was getting and more. Wilson will be used between the 20's to rest Bradshaw and for some COP plays.They signed 2 guys because they need depth. Brown was their depth guy and now he's gone. Everyone knows Bradshaw could go down at any minute and then they are left with just Wilson, a rookie that they don't trust yet. Of course they had to sign some guys.
I can see it going as you say and like I said, maybe I'm gloom & doom, but that depth guy you mentioned (Brown) was getting ff production and was eating into Bradshaw's productivity. guess I'm just saying there must be a real concern on how much run they want to give Bradshaw. If they openly expressed concern before the season started about his carries, they can't be feeling better about it now 3/4 into the season. Guess I'm just hoping they don't run him to death for two weeks and then pull him back when he is really needed (by ff'ers) OR they run him more and he gets hobbled.
The only reason Brown was eating into Bradshaw's production was because he did very well when he was forced into the starting role due to the Bradshaw injury. As a Giants fan, having a Brown/Bradshaw combination was the best combination running game we've seen in a while and it will be missed. As far as fantasy goes, Brown was really killing Bradshaw's goal line carries. With Brown out, I can't say for sure what the new committee will be, but I can't imagine the goal line carries going to someone besides Bradshaw. As far as running Bradshaw to death, I think Coughlin knows that's not an option with his health issues. The Giants need him for a playoff run and I can't see them over working him now. I think Wilson will see a lot more carries and I think Hynoski will be back there more often for protection on passing plays.
I hope you're right :) . I guess a part of all this is we have seen Coughlin be so dogmatic, almost to the point of overkill in restricting Wilson after he ahd the ball-control issues and reporting seemed to always talk about his lack of block protection. Now the tune seems to have nicely changed and it just so happens it changed when Brown got hurt. so when coughlin says this morning that it's "Wilson's time", I guess I just take that with a grain of salt. Is he saying that because Wilson has figured it out during the same week Brown got hurt, by coincidence, or is it a forced hand? and if its a forced hand, do we see wilson make a missed protection or cause a turnover and Coughlin's ingrained tendencies just resurface and, in the heat of the moment, we see Coughlin bench wilson and go with bradshaw and it ends up being a game where Bradshaw is overused? that's the kind of thing I am wondering. I agree; the Bradshaw/Brown combination was as good a blend as they have had in a while. Just wondering if it unravels quickly when an injury unbalances things.
 
I get this unsettling feeling that this is going to hurt bradshaw for fantasy all the way around, whether its they use the new guys at the goal line or whatever. Maybe I'm a doom & gloomer this morning but my first thought on this is "great, bradshaw gets to be the bell cow but two weeks from now when I need him in the playoffs they will be resting him for their real playoffs because he simply can't carry the ball that much."

Hope I'm wrong but something in the gut tells me when you lose one guy and you have an apparent replacement already on the tea, yet you go out and sign TWO guys, its not a good thing.
As a Giants fan, I think you are thinking into this too much. This is a good thing for Bradshaw. If it continues to be mostly Bradshaw/Wilson then Bradshaw will definitely be the goal line guy. He will get what Brown was getting and more. Wilson will be used between the 20's to rest Bradshaw and for some COP plays.They signed 2 guys because they need depth. Brown was their depth guy and now he's gone. Everyone knows Bradshaw could go down at any minute and then they are left with just Wilson, a rookie that they don't trust yet. Of course they had to sign some guys.
I can see it going as you say and like I said, maybe I'm gloom & doom, but that depth guy you mentioned (Brown) was getting ff production and was eating into Bradshaw's productivity. guess I'm just saying there must be a real concern on how much run they want to give Bradshaw. If they openly expressed concern before the season started about his carries, they can't be feeling better about it now 3/4 into the season. Guess I'm just hoping they don't run him to death for two weeks and then pull him back when he is really needed (by ff'ers) OR they run him more and he gets hobbled.
That looks to be what they are doing. In preseason I thought Bradshaw would be on a "pitch count" but that doesn't seem to be the case. He's gotten carries when there was no need to like the 200 yard game. They've had places where Bradshaw's carries could have been trimmed but haven't done so.However he did share the load with Brown in the Packers game. So hard to say what will happen with Bradshaw and Wilson. I do think they trust Wilson way more than the FA's.

A win vs the Redskins increases the chance that Bradshaw sees some rest. The Giants would only have to win one more game to win their division if they beat the 'Skins on Monday. A round one bye would be the other thing to play for but that might be out of reach. I doubt they catch the Falcons and they are a game behind the Bears and 49ers. And have the tie break against the Packers.
These are good points about them resting players if they know they are locked into a seed. Knowing how coaches tend to be, I am guessing they would have to be mathematically eliminated from securing a higher seed before they did pull back (if they couldn't climb nor fall any farther). They may be a few weeks away from that still.
 
I get this unsettling feeling that this is going to hurt bradshaw for fantasy all the way around, whether its they use the new guys at the goal line or whatever. Maybe I'm a doom & gloomer this morning but my first thought on this is "great, bradshaw gets to be the bell cow but two weeks from now when I need him in the playoffs they will be resting him for their real playoffs because he simply can't carry the ball that much."

Hope I'm wrong but something in the gut tells me when you lose one guy and you have an apparent replacement already on the tea, yet you go out and sign TWO guys, its not a good thing.
As a Giants fan, I think you are thinking into this too much. This is a good thing for Bradshaw. If it continues to be mostly Bradshaw/Wilson then Bradshaw will definitely be the goal line guy. He will get what Brown was getting and more. Wilson will be used between the 20's to rest Bradshaw and for some COP plays.They signed 2 guys because they need depth. Brown was their depth guy and now he's gone. Everyone knows Bradshaw could go down at any minute and then they are left with just Wilson, a rookie that they don't trust yet. Of course they had to sign some guys.
I can see it going as you say and like I said, maybe I'm gloom & doom, but that depth guy you mentioned (Brown) was getting ff production and was eating into Bradshaw's productivity. guess I'm just saying there must be a real concern on how much run they want to give Bradshaw. If they openly expressed concern before the season started about his carries, they can't be feeling better about it now 3/4 into the season. Guess I'm just hoping they don't run him to death for two weeks and then pull him back when he is really needed (by ff'ers) OR they run him more and he gets hobbled.
That looks to be what they are doing. In preseason I thought Bradshaw would be on a "pitch count" but that doesn't seem to be the case. He's gotten carries when there was no need to like the 200 yard game. They've had places where Bradshaw's carries could have been trimmed but haven't done so.However he did share the load with Brown in the Packers game. So hard to say what will happen with Bradshaw and Wilson. I do think they trust Wilson way more than the FA's.

A win vs the Redskins increases the chance that Bradshaw sees some rest. The Giants would only have to win one more game to win their division if they beat the 'Skins on Monday. A round one bye would be the other thing to play for but that might be out of reach. I doubt they catch the Falcons and they are a game behind the Bears and 49ers. And have the tie break against the Packers.
These are good points about them resting players if they know they are locked into a seed. Knowing how coaches tend to be, I am guessing they would have to be mathematically eliminated from securing a higher seed before they did pull back (if they couldn't climb nor fall any farther). They may be a few weeks away from that still.
I also think some teams need to be more careful than others about resting players and taking their "foot off the pedal". Given the funk NYG went through recently, I wonder if that plays into the gameplan?
 
Can't see either of those two affecting anyone in the near term. They won't know the whole offense on Day One. Plus, let's be honest, neither is very good.

I expect the Giants will still plan to limit Bradshaw in some respects, he's been hella banged up, but he's almost certainly going to get most of the GL looks for at least a few weeks while the new bodies get up to speed. I think he'll probably just be the GL back going forward, but weird stuff happens. Never know.

A scenario like this past week, after Brown went out, happening in most games wouldn't be surprising: Bradshaw gets most of the work for the first three quarters with Wilson getting mixed in for a series or on some third downs. If the Giants are up big at that point, then Wilson/whoever gets the 4th quarter while Bradshaw gets to rest. If the Giants are behind, or only ahead by a few points, they continue to roll with mostly Bradshaw and Wilson spelling him on certain plays/a series.

Of course that all gets blown to hell when Bradshaw's foot/neck/whatever flares up in Week 14.

 
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Can't see either of those two affecting anyone in the near term. They won't know the whole offense on Day One. Plus, let's be honest, neither is very good.I expect the Giants will still plan to limit Bradshaw in some respects, he's been hella banged up, but he's almost certainly going to get most of the GL looks for at least a few weeks while the new bodies get up to speed. I think he'll probably just be the GL back going forward, but weird stuff happens. Never know.A scenario like this past week, after Brown went out, happening in most games wouldn't be surprising: Bradshaw gets most of the work for the first three quarters with Wilson getting mixed in for a series or on some third downs. If the Giants are up big at that point, then Wilson/whoever gets the 4th quarter while Bradshaw gets to rest. If the Giants are behind, or only ahead by a few points, they continue to roll with mostly Bradshaw and Wilson spelling him on certain plays/a series.Of course that all gets blown to hell when Bradshaw's foot/neck/whatever flares up in Week 14.
Clear as mud but spot on. Its all going to come down to the flow of each game, as it unravels. I don't think there is a outline to follow on this. I can see Bradshaw winning people some leagues. I can see Bradshaw crumbling and Wilson/Torain winning some people some leagues (Can I envision a week 16 matchup where Bradshaw gets hobbled early and torain coming in for two short TDs and 74 yards? You betcha.)
 
From RW:

Giants agreed to terms with RB Ryan Torain.

Torain has been out of the league since the Redskins cut him on the heels of a 3.4 YPC average last December. He's a power back similar to Andre Brown while Kregg Lumpkin is a superior receiver and special teamer. Torain is the better bet to see carries as the third back in the Giants committee, but he's not yet on the fantasy radar. S Selvish Capers was waived in a corresponding move.

Giants agreed to terms with RB Kregg Lumpkin.

Lumpkin won't have fantasy value as the third-stringer. He averaged just 3.4 yards on 31 carries with the Bucs last season.
IR rule, Brown will be back, and Wilson was drafted for a reason.Torrain had his days and I imagine they had him in mind. That was a real fast signing. Lumpkin guess his agent called and said what about my boy and he looked good in a tryout.
During the Giants' bye week they worked out Torain, Addai, Mewelde Moore, and Lumpkin. So they already had auditioned some backs and had a list of who they'd like to pursue if needed. The speculation at the time was that the workouts were a sign that Bradshaw was not healing. That might have been the reason but in any case the move worked out well for NY.
 

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