NYG WR 2010 (1 Viewer)

[The Ref]

2009 Stats

Steve Smith 16G - 107/1220/11 - 76.3 avg

Mario Manningham 14G - 57/882/5 - 58.7 avg

Hakeem Nicks 14G - 47/790/6 - 56.4 avg

Seems like most of the FBG forecasts have one and in some cases 2 of these guys in the top 18.

How does 2010 go for this trio and is any one of them a WR1?

 

[Avery]

2009 Stats

Steve Smith 16G - 107/1220/11 - 76.3 avg

Mario Manningham 14G - 57/882/5 - 58.7 avg

Hakeem Nicks 14G - 47/790/6 - 56.4 avg

Seems like most of the FBG forecasts have one and in some cases 2 of these guys in the top 18.

How does 2010 go for this trio and is any one of them a WR1?

WR1A = Steve "Possession Guy" Smith: Already one of the best route runners in the league. Manning will look to him on 3rd downs... a lot.WR1B = Hakim "Big Play Guy" Nicks: Oozes potential. Just looks the part. Great RAC guy who looked very good last year on a broken toe.

WR3 = Mario "Slot Guy" Manningham: A lot of moves but has always been inconsistent.

With Eli Manning's progression as a QB and the weapons in the passing game, the Giants are moving to a more pass oriented offense and I could see WR1A and WR1B both being top 20 guys.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

2009 Stats

Steve Smith 16G - 107/1220/11 - 76.3 avg

Mario Manningham 14G - 57/882/5 - 58.7 avg

Hakeem Nicks 14G - 47/790/6 - 56.4 avg

Seems like most of the FBG forecasts have one and in some cases 2 of these guys in the top 18.

How does 2010 go for this trio and is any one of them a WR1?

WR1A = Steve "Possession Guy" Smith: Already one of the best route runners in the league. Manning will look to him on 3rd downs... a lot.WR1B = Hakim "Big Play Guy" Nicks: Oozes potential. Just looks the part. Great RAC guy who looked very good last year on a broken toe.

WR3 = Mario "Slot Guy" Manningham: A lot of moves but has always been inconsistent.

With Eli Manning's progression as a QB and the weapons in the passing game, the Giants are moving to a more pass oriented offense and I could see WR1A and WR1B both being top 20 guys.

/thread.But somehow I think that Hakeem doesnt live up to the potential this year. could be injury or improved running game.

I think Mario will get enough targets to PO the Nicks owners as well

 

[The Ref]

2009 Stats

Steve Smith 16G - 107/1220/11 - 76.3 avg

Mario Manningham 14G - 57/882/5 - 58.7 avg

Hakeem Nicks 14G - 47/790/6 - 56.4 avg

Seems like most of the FBG forecasts have one and in some cases 2 of these guys in the top 18.

How does 2010 go for this trio and is any one of them a WR1?

WR1A = Steve "Possession Guy" Smith: Already one of the best route runners in the league. Manning will look to him on 3rd downs... a lot.WR1B = Hakim "Big Play Guy" Nicks: Oozes potential. Just looks the part. Great RAC guy who looked very good last year on a broken toe.

WR3 = Mario "Slot Guy" Manningham: A lot of moves but has always been inconsistent.

With Eli Manning's progression as a QB and the weapons in the passing game, the Giants are moving to a more pass oriented offense and I could see WR1A and WR1B both being top 20 guys.

/thread.But somehow I think that Hakeem doesnt live up to the potential this year. could be injury or improved running game.

I think Mario will get enough targets to PO the Nicks owners as well

107/1220/11 are tall numbers for just a "Possession Guy" though wouldn't you say, or at least the 11 TD's.

So how confidant are you in Smith, is he a "no brainier' 10-15 WR (in PPR).

There are many other QB's that will throw for many more yards then Eli this year, are you sure that this team will be one of the few with two top 20 guys?

I'm trying to set my WR board and the NYG situation is the one that has me the most unsure.

 

[ookook]

Put me down as thinking Smith is undervalued because of the Nicks hype.

Sure, he may not repeat those numbers, but he will do very well and is the money pick at his ADP.

Eli trusts him a lot.

 

[gandalas]

I took Steve Smith in the 5th round of my recent dynasty PPR Start-up (49 Overall), as WR15. I was happy to get him there...

I personally think he is a PPR monster, although I would like to see that catch % go up from the 68% last season, as I do not see him getting 157 targets again.

Still, a 95 Catch, 1100 yard, 6-8 TD season would still be top-10 to top-15, and I definitely see that as possible for him.

 

[CA_7]

With Eli Manning's progression as a QB and the weapons in the passing game, the Giants are moving to a more pass oriented offense and I could see WR1A and WR1B both being top 20 guys.

The Giants last year were built to win games with a strong D and pound the rock with Jacobs/Bradshaw. When their D got decimated with injuries, they often found themselves down early or in shoot-outs versus good teams forcing Eli to pass more. The Giants D giving up 26.7 points per game (3rd worst in the NFL) is the reason why their passing numbers looked so strong. Only the Lions and Rams were worse...yikes.IMO, if you are projecting two Giants WRs in the top 20, you must also think their D is going to be horrible again. I think their D got better in the offense, just not sure how much better.

 

[Sweet Love]

With Eli Manning's progression as a QB and the weapons in the passing game, the Giants are moving to a more pass oriented offense and I could see WR1A and WR1B both being top 20 guys.

The Giants last year were built to win games with a strong D and pound the rock with Jacobs/Bradshaw. When their D got decimated with injuries, they often found themselves down early or in shoot-outs versus good teams forcing Eli to pass more. The Giants D giving up 26.7 points per game (3rd worst in the NFL) is the reason why their passing numbers looked so strong. Only the Lions and Rams were worse...yikes.IMO, if you are projecting two Giants WRs in the top 20, you must also think their D is going to be horrible again. I think their D got better in the offense, just not sure how much better.

What they need to do is trade one of these WRs (especially if they believe in Barden) for a proper LB.

 

[J-Dawg]

I'm also having a really hard time handicapping this position. I love the potential that Nicks possesses and think that he could be a very special WR. It may not translate into huge numbers this season, but 2011 and beyond... Smith is very consistent and a pretty good bet to post good numbers, but I think last year was his ceiling and I don't see him repeating it. Right now I'm torn on whether I would want to invest more in Nicks' potential or Smith's production.

 

[Avery]

With Eli Manning's progression as a QB and the weapons in the passing game, the Giants are moving to a more pass oriented offense and I could see WR1A and WR1B both being top 20 guys.

The Giants last year were built to win games with a strong D and pound the rock with Jacobs/Bradshaw. When their D got decimated with injuries, they often found themselves down early or in shoot-outs versus good teams forcing Eli to pass more. The Giants D giving up 26.7 points per game (3rd worst in the NFL) is the reason why their passing numbers looked so strong. Only the Lions and Rams were worse...yikes.IMO, if you are projecting two Giants WRs in the top 20, you must also think their D is going to be horrible again. I think their D got better in the offense, just not sure how much better.

Valid points but it's not that simple.True, the Giants passed more because all of their RBs were hurt and their defense was terrible for a variety of reasons. But through the process Eli Manning progressed as a QB, Steve Smith showed his skills as a route runner and earned Eli's trust, Manningham proved not to be a bust and we saw a glimmer of what Nicks will be.Just because the Giants may find some healthy RBs and the defense may be improved (knock on wood) doesn't mean the Giants will turn their back on a franchise QB entering his prime with up and coming young receivers and crawl back into their shell of a conservative game plan.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

I personally think Smith is a safer bet than Nicks. I am however really high on Nicks after llistening to Bloom and Lamey rant and rave about him week after week. Nicks is an unknown though. He hasn't proved much so far. I watched about 6 NYG games last season and saw some of Nicks "big plays". At least 2 TD's I saw came from DB's slipping and falling down....not anything having to do with Nicks ability. I believe there was another long TD that came from a tipped pass and Nicks just happened to be in the right place at the right time. I did howver see some of the explosiveness that people are so high on. I am not going to anoint him as a top 10 WR this year as Bloom/Lamey are doing. They are stating Nicks is going to be in the same group with Desean Jackson and Greg Jennings after the first few weeks of the season. Hold on just a minute guys! I do like him as a WR #2, but he has to show it to me first before I hand him WR #1 status. Nicks hasn't even shown that he can beat NFL CB's consistantly yet.....again fluke plays accounted for more than just a few of his TD's last season.

Prediction for PPR:

Steve Smith #10 fantasy WR and Hakeem Nicks #18 fantasy WR for 2010. Nice numbers for both.....more than enough to go around for both.

 

[The Ref]

Seems like everyone has Smith as a legit top 12 WR so far......

 

[keisersose]

Seems like everyone has Smith as a legit top 12 WR so far......

In my dynasty league, I drafted Nicks int he rookie draft and picked Manningham up after week 1, so I watched these guys pretty clos4ely.IMO, Nicks is going to have a serious sophomore slump this year. As much as I want him to be a legit WR 2 for me behinf Andre JOhnson, I think he will be more of a WR 3. I think he is too hyped, and his stats last year are a bit misleading,Manningham is interesting b/c from watching NYG games, it seemed like he was targetted a lot, and had some great opporunities that he blew due to poor routes, and lack of fundamentals. Especially late in the year, I saw games where he had sure TDs, but he ran his route sloppy and ended up a yard out of bounds for a catch or turned two yards too soon for a MAnning pass. If he puts it together, look out. However, I don't think he will improve drastically in this area if he hasn't already.

 

[Avery]

Seems like everyone has Smith as a legit top 12 WR so far......

In my dynasty league, I drafted Nicks int he rookie draft and picked Manningham up after week 1, so I watched these guys pretty clos4ely.IMO, Nicks is going to have a serious sophomore slump this year. As much as I want him to be a legit WR 2 for me behinf Andre JOhnson, I think he will be more of a WR 3. I think he is too hyped, and his stats last year are a bit misleading,

Manningham is interesting b/c from watching NYG games, it seemed like he was targetted a lot, and had some great opporunities that he blew due to poor routes, and lack of fundamentals. Especially late in the year, I saw games where he had sure TDs, but he ran his route sloppy and ended up a yard out of bounds for a catch or turned two yards too soon for a MAnning pass. If he puts it together, look out. However, I don't think he will improve drastically in this area if he hasn't already.

Why? Curious what the thinking is to lead you to that conclusion.

 

[NorrisB]

thoughts on beckum?

 

[Avery]

thoughts on beckum?

Not great reports out of OTAs. Take from that what you will.

 

[netnalp]

thoughts on beckum?

Beckum needs to work on his blocking before he sees alot of playing time. Boss will hold onto the starter postion this season. Next season, Beckum could take over if he can get blocking down.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Seems like everyone has Smith as a legit top 12 WR so far......

In my dynasty league, I drafted Nicks int he rookie draft and picked Manningham up after week 1, so I watched these guys pretty clos4ely.IMO, Nicks is going to have a serious sophomore slump this year. As much as I want him to be a legit WR 2 for me behinf Andre JOhnson, I think he will be more of a WR 3. I think he is too hyped, and his stats last year are a bit misleading,

Manningham is interesting b/c from watching NYG games, it seemed like he was targetted a lot, and had some great opporunities that he blew due to poor routes, and lack of fundamentals. Especially late in the year, I saw games where he had sure TDs, but he ran his route sloppy and ended up a yard out of bounds for a catch or turned two yards too soon for a MAnning pass. If he puts it together, look out. However, I don't think he will improve drastically in this area if he hasn't already.

Why? Curious what the thinking is to lead you to that conclusion.

I can't speak for Keiserose, but I know the numbers that Nicks posted last year were a bit flukey. At least 3 long TD's of Nicks I saw last season were not a result of Nicks talent, but more of the product of luck. Two long TD's were from CB's either missing coverage or falling down/tripping. Another long TD came from a tipped ball intended for Smith that landed right into Nicks arms.....again luck. Nicks also made some plays that impressed me, but his numbers were more than just skewed by luck last year. I love Nicks size and hands, but I question is route running at this point and his speed to get open against NFL CB's. Again, I'd love to own him in a dynasty league, but I don't think he is a "sure thing"....in the same class as Desean Jackson or Greg Jennings as Lamey/Bloom do.

 

[Avery]

thoughts on beckum?

Beckum needs to work on his blocking before he sees alot of playing time. Boss will hold onto the starter postion this season. Next season, Beckum could take over if he can get blocking down.

I don't think the Giants see Beckum as an in line blocking TE at all therefore not really competing directly with Boss for a job now or in the future. He is more of a hybrid/H-back type.

 

[Avery]

Seems like everyone has Smith as a legit top 12 WR so far......

In my dynasty league, I drafted Nicks int he rookie draft and picked Manningham up after week 1, so I watched these guys pretty clos4ely.IMO, Nicks is going to have a serious sophomore slump this year. As much as I want him to be a legit WR 2 for me behinf Andre JOhnson, I think he will be more of a WR 3. I think he is too hyped, and his stats last year are a bit misleading,

Manningham is interesting b/c from watching NYG games, it seemed like he was targetted a lot, and had some great opporunities that he blew due to poor routes, and lack of fundamentals. Especially late in the year, I saw games where he had sure TDs, but he ran his route sloppy and ended up a yard out of bounds for a catch or turned two yards too soon for a MAnning pass. If he puts it together, look out. However, I don't think he will improve drastically in this area if he hasn't already.

Why? Curious what the thinking is to lead you to that conclusion.

I can't speak for Keiserose, but I know the numbers that Nicks posted last year were a bit flukey. At least 3 long TD's of Nicks I saw last season were not a result of Nicks talent, but more of the product of luck. Two long TD's were from CB's either missing coverage or falling down/tripping. Another long TD came from a tipped ball intended for Smith that landed right into Nicks arms.....again luck. Nicks also made some plays that impressed me, but his numbers were more than just skewed by luck last year. I love Nicks size and hands, but I question is route running at this point and his speed to get open against NFL CB's. Again, I'd love to own him in a dynasty league, but I don't think he is a "sure thing"....in the same class as Desean Jackson or Greg Jennings as Lamey/Bloom do.

His numbers were also skewed down by missing a large part of training camp and playing last year with a broken toe.What he did last year, in his rookie year, he did on raw talent and a gimpy foot. Imagine what he will do when healthy and his first full camp... knock on wood.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Seems like everyone has Smith as a legit top 12 WR so far......

In my dynasty league, I drafted Nicks int he rookie draft and picked Manningham up after week 1, so I watched these guys pretty clos4ely.IMO, Nicks is going to have a serious sophomore slump this year. As much as I want him to be a legit WR 2 for me behinf Andre JOhnson, I think he will be more of a WR 3. I think he is too hyped, and his stats last year are a bit misleading,

Manningham is interesting b/c from watching NYG games, it seemed like he was targetted a lot, and had some great opporunities that he blew due to poor routes, and lack of fundamentals. Especially late in the year, I saw games where he had sure TDs, but he ran his route sloppy and ended up a yard out of bounds for a catch or turned two yards too soon for a MAnning pass. If he puts it together, look out. However, I don't think he will improve drastically in this area if he hasn't already.

Why? Curious what the thinking is to lead you to that conclusion.

I can't speak for Keiserose, but I know the numbers that Nicks posted last year were a bit flukey. At least 3 long TD's of Nicks I saw last season were not a result of Nicks talent, but more of the product of luck. Two long TD's were from CB's either missing coverage or falling down/tripping. Another long TD came from a tipped ball intended for Smith that landed right into Nicks arms.....again luck. Nicks also made some plays that impressed me, but his numbers were more than just skewed by luck last year. I love Nicks size and hands, but I question is route running at this point and his speed to get open against NFL CB's. Again, I'd love to own him in a dynasty league, but I don't think he is a "sure thing"....in the same class as Desean Jackson or Greg Jennings as Lamey/Bloom do.

His numbers were also skewed down by missing a large part of training camp and playing last year with a broken toe.What he did last year, in his rookie year, he did on raw talent and a gimpy foot. Imagine what he will do when healthy and his first full camp... knock on wood.

Yep, I hear you. I see the upside there as well.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Seems like everyone has Smith as a legit top 12 WR so far......

Everybody likes Smith as a Top-12 WR, but few are drafting him as a Top-12 WR. He's a nice value play, especially in PPR.

 

[The Ref]

Seems like everyone has Smith as a legit top 12 WR so far......

In my dynasty league, I drafted Nicks int he rookie draft and picked Manningham up after week 1, so I watched these guys pretty clos4ely.IMO, Nicks is going to have a serious sophomore slump this year. As much as I want him to be a legit WR 2 for me behinf Andre JOhnson, I think he will be more of a WR 3. I think he is too hyped, and his stats last year are a bit misleading,

Manningham is interesting b/c from watching NYG games, it seemed like he was targetted a lot, and had some great opporunities that he blew due to poor routes, and lack of fundamentals. Especially late in the year, I saw games where he had sure TDs, but he ran his route sloppy and ended up a yard out of bounds for a catch or turned two yards too soon for a MAnning pass. If he puts it together, look out. However, I don't think he will improve drastically in this area if he hasn't already.

Why? Curious what the thinking is to lead you to that conclusion.

I can't speak for Keiserose, but I know the numbers that Nicks posted last year were a bit flukey. At least 3 long TD's of Nicks I saw last season were not a result of Nicks talent, but more of the product of luck. Two long TD's were from CB's either missing coverage or falling down/tripping. Another long TD came from a tipped ball intended for Smith that landed right into Nicks arms.....again luck. Nicks also made some plays that impressed me, but his numbers were more than just skewed by luck last year. I love Nicks size and hands, but I question is route running at this point and his speed to get open against NFL CB's. Again, I'd love to own him in a dynasty league, but I don't think he is a "sure thing"....in the same class as Desean Jackson or Greg Jennings as Lamey/Bloom do.

This is why I love the Shark Pool....

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Seems like everyone has Smith as a legit top 12 WR so far......

In my dynasty league, I drafted Nicks int he rookie draft and picked Manningham up after week 1, so I watched these guys pretty clos4ely.IMO, Nicks is going to have a serious sophomore slump this year. As much as I want him to be a legit WR 2 for me behinf Andre JOhnson, I think he will be more of a WR 3. I think he is too hyped, and his stats last year are a bit misleading,

Manningham is interesting b/c from watching NYG games, it seemed like he was targetted a lot, and had some great opporunities that he blew due to poor routes, and lack of fundamentals. Especially late in the year, I saw games where he had sure TDs, but he ran his route sloppy and ended up a yard out of bounds for a catch or turned two yards too soon for a MAnning pass. If he puts it together, look out. However, I don't think he will improve drastically in this area if he hasn't already.

Why? Curious what the thinking is to lead you to that conclusion.

I can't speak for Keiserose, but I know the numbers that Nicks posted last year were a bit flukey. At least 3 long TD's of Nicks I saw last season were not a result of Nicks talent, but more of the product of luck. Two long TD's were from CB's either missing coverage or falling down/tripping. Another long TD came from a tipped ball intended for Smith that landed right into Nicks arms.....again luck. Nicks also made some plays that impressed me, but his numbers were more than just skewed by luck last year. I love Nicks size and hands, but I question is route running at this point and his speed to get open against NFL CB's. Again, I'd love to own him in a dynasty league, but I don't think he is a "sure thing"....in the same class as Desean Jackson or Greg Jennings as Lamey/Bloom do.

This is why I love the Shark Pool....

Are you crediting me for my astute observation skills or are you making fun of me? I can show you proof of what I saw, I am sure. All of his TD's are available somewhere in a highlight video I would imagine. I don't hate Nicks (I am attempting to acquire him right now in a dynasty league), I just don't think he is a sure thing. He needs to become more consistant that is forsure!

 

[The Ref]

Are you crediting me for my astute observation skills or are you making fun of me? I can show you proof of what I saw, I am sure. All of his TD's are available somewhere in a highlight video I would imagine. I don't hate Nicks (I am attempting to acquire him right now in a dynasty league), I just don't think he is a sure thing. He needs to become more consistant that is forsure!

I'm thanking you for your observations - I didn't know about his lucky TD's.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I took Steve Smith in the 5th round of my recent dynasty PPR Start-up (49 Overall), as WR15. I was happy to get him there...I personally think he is a PPR monster, although I would like to see that catch % go up from the 68% last season, as I do not see him getting 157 targets again.Still, a 95 Catch, 1100 yard, 6-8 TD season would still be top-10 to top-15, and I definitely see that as possible for him.

68% is outrageously good already (prob 2nd in league behind Welker?). More than likely, it will come down. So if you are really counting on that to make up for a drop in targets, I suspect you will be disappointed. Just food for thought.

 

[ffguru56]

Seems like everyone has Smith as a legit top 12 WR so far......

In my dynasty league, I drafted Nicks int he rookie draft and picked Manningham up after week 1, so I watched these guys pretty clos4ely.IMO, Nicks is going to have a serious sophomore slump this year. As much as I want him to be a legit WR 2 for me behinf Andre JOhnson, I think he will be more of a WR 3. I think he is too hyped, and his stats last year are a bit misleading,

Manningham is interesting b/c from watching NYG games, it seemed like he was targetted a lot, and had some great opporunities that he blew due to poor routes, and lack of fundamentals. Especially late in the year, I saw games where he had sure TDs, but he ran his route sloppy and ended up a yard out of bounds for a catch or turned two yards too soon for a MAnning pass. If he puts it together, look out. However, I don't think he will improve drastically in this area if he hasn't already.

Why? Curious what the thinking is to lead you to that conclusion.

I can't speak for Keiserose, but I know the numbers that Nicks posted last year were a bit flukey. At least 3 long TD's of Nicks I saw last season were not a result of Nicks talent, but more of the product of luck. Two long TD's were from CB's either missing coverage or falling down/tripping. Another long TD came from a tipped ball intended for Smith that landed right into Nicks arms.....again luck. Nicks also made some plays that impressed me, but his numbers were more than just skewed by luck last year. I love Nicks size and hands, but I question is route running at this point and his speed to get open against NFL CB's. Again, I'd love to own him in a dynasty league, but I don't think he is a "sure thing"....in the same class as Desean Jackson or Greg Jennings as Lamey/Bloom do.

I personally don't factor in "luck" in the quality of a running back, specifically fantasy-wise, because luck can't be measured or predicted. Some people are in better scenarios that allow luck to be more of a factor to them. Sometimes those scenarios are controlled by them and other times they are not. I think it says a lot about Nicks if he's had the "luck" on all (or most) of his TD catches. He's doing the right things to create that luck. Besides, you could probably say the same thing about every player; that a portion of his stats were created by luck. Lucky that he had that one block, lucky that the one defender slipped that allowed for that 30 yard td run, etc. The point is, Nicks made it happen.

 

[Captain Hook]

2009 StatsSteve Smith 16G - 107/1220/11 - 76.3 avgMario Manningham 14G - 57/882/5 - 58.7 avgHakeem Nicks 14G - 47/790/6 - 56.4 avgSeems like most of the FBG forecasts have one and in some cases 2 of these guys in the top 18. How does 2010 go for this trio and is any one of them a WR1?

This from the guy who claims he is going to win the FBG Championsip?

 

[39407]

I'm sure every TD scored last season could be explained away as "luck" or defensive mistakes.

 

[Captain Hook]

Seems like everyone has Smith as a legit top 12 WR so far......

I think Dodds has him as WR13 - and the is only if you are talking PPR scoring

 

[The Ref]

2009 StatsSteve Smith 16G - 107/1220/11 - 76.3 avgMario Manningham 14G - 57/882/5 - 58.7 avgHakeem Nicks 14G - 47/790/6 - 56.4 avgSeems like most of the FBG forecasts have one and in some cases 2 of these guys in the top 18. How does 2010 go for this trio and is any one of them a WR1?

This from the guy who claims he is going to win the FBG Championsip?

Yup. If I just can get this NYG WR situation down I'm a shoe in.

 

[netnalp]

Nicks TDs

KC- makes a guy miss to get in (no luck) http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...-vs-Chiefs-2009

Oak- finds the open spot with 3 defenders in the area (no luck) http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...4/Nicks-9-yd-TD

NO- Looks like the CB expected safety help deep, and the safety expected the CB to stay with Nicks. The safety had nobody else in the area he had the chance to get there since the ball was thrown as Nicks got to the CB. I don't know if I'd call it luck, it's not like a guy fell down, there were 2 defenders and the safety still had a shot a defending it and it was Carr throwing the ball too. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...-vs-Saints-2009

ARI- ok, this one I'll call lucky, but you gotta give him credit for awareness. The deflection is between Mannigham and Cromartie, not Smith as mentioned above, Manningham doesn't actually touch the ball. Cromartie jumps up and bats the ball in Nicks area. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-pl...e-Nicks-of-time

Dal- no luck here, defender tries to deflect the ball rather than go for the tackle, I think most CB would have gone for the deflection there. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...Hakeem-Nicks-TD

PHI- makes the high catch and avoids two tacklers, spinning out of one. No luck, he made a great play. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...-vs-Eagles-2009

To me he has one lucky play vs. Arizona, maybe two if you toss in the Saints game. I don't see any plays that Carl says the defender fell down or tripped leaving Nicks open. Nicks gets caught from behind in the Redskins highlight, but he seems fast enough to me and his routes seem pretty damn good for a rookie.

Almost another TD http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...s-Redskins-2009 Smoot catches him, and Landry finished the tackle. Landry is really fast with a 4.35 40 time.

more highlights http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...vs-Broncos-2009

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...vs-Falcons-2009

unlucky, if 69 makes a block it would have gone for more http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...s-Chargers-2009

gets injured on this one http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...cks-35-yd-catch

 

[DansRams]

Nicks TDs

KC- makes a guy miss to get in (no luck) http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...-vs-Chiefs-2009

Oak- finds the open spot with 3 defenders in the area (no luck) http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...4/Nicks-9-yd-TD

NO- Looks like the CB expected safety help deep, and the safety expected the CB to stay with Nicks. The safety had nobody else in the area he had the chance to get there since the ball was thrown as Nicks got to the CB. I don't know if I'd call it luck, it's not like a guy fell down, there were 2 defenders and the safety still had a shot a defending it and it was Carr throwing the ball too. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...-vs-Saints-2009

ARI- ok, this one I'll call lucky, but you gotta give him credit for awareness. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-pl...e-Nicks-of-time

Dal- no luck here, defender tries to deflect the ball rather than go for the tackle, I think most CB would have gone for the deflection there. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...Hakeem-Nicks-TD

PHI- makes the high catch and avoids two tacklers, spinning out of one. No luck, he made a great play. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...-vs-Eagles-2009

To me he has one lucky play vs. Arizona, maybe two if you toss in the Saints game. I don't see any plays that Carl says the defender fell down or tripped leaving Nicks open. Nicks gets caught from behind in the Redskins highlight, but he seems fast enough to me and his routes seem pretty damn good for a rookie.

Almost another TD http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...s-Redskins-2009

more highlights http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...vs-Broncos-2009

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...vs-Falcons-2009

unlucky, if 69 makes a block it would have gone for more http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000...s-Chargers-2009

gets injured on this one http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...cks-35-yd-catch

Nicks is a stud...anyone that can't see it, isn't looking or doesn't want to believe it. Eli Manning could not be in a better situation with three very good threats. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Giants among the top 5-6 passing teams in the league for the next 4-5 years.

 

[CA_7]

With Eli Manning's progression as a QB and the weapons in the passing game, the Giants are moving to a more pass oriented offense and I could see WR1A and WR1B both being top 20 guys.

The Giants last year were built to win games with a strong D and pound the rock with Jacobs/Bradshaw. When their D got decimated with injuries, they often found themselves down early or in shoot-outs versus good teams forcing Eli to pass more.

The Giants D giving up 26.7 points per game (3rd worst in the NFL) is the reason why their passing numbers looked so strong. Only the Lions and Rams were worse...yikes.

IMO, if you are projecting two Giants WRs in the top 20, you must also think their D is going to be horrible again. I think their D got better in the offense, just not sure how much better.

Schefter must be reading my posts... Giants are still planning to be a run first team unless things breakdown on D or OL

It's hard to imagine, but Giants quarterback Eli Manning is heading into his seventh NFL season. He is 29 years old. He is coming off his finest statistical season, throwing for 4,021 yards, 27 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He is entering what should be the prime of his career.

Last season, Manning threw because the Giants struggled to run. He threw because he had to -- after winning their first five games, the Giants lost eight of their last 11, often playing from behind. Now, even though he is poised to play better than he ever has, Manning's numbers might not reflect it for a simple reason.

"Coaches said we're going to get back to running the ball this year, and the backs are really excited about it," Giants running back Ahmad Bradshaw said. "The running game will be good."

Bradshaw underwent offseason surgery on both feet and one ankle. Running back Brandon Jacobs underwent offseason knee surgery as well. Both are practicing, both are looking spry and both are eyeing the running back version of the type of statistics Manning had last season.

In the prime of his career, Manning is face of the franchise, but the Giants need the legs of Bradshaw and Jacobs to run back to the top of the NFC East.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...&id=5445128

 

[Bri]

Watch the next couple weeks carefully with Nicks' knee. While resting, Ramses Barden has been getting quality reps in practice. He's struggling with the ones after looking great earlier this calendar year. See if Barden "gets it" and everything clicks for him. It's a very important stage in Barden's development and may tell us if he even has an NFL career. If so, he's a giant (pun intended) monkey wrench here.

Those I talk to often say how the Giants limp into the playoffs (or december) in one way or another. I think overall, you'll see Coughlin making a concerted effort to not overwork his players this year and utilizing his depth.

Former Dolphin Derek Hagan just won't go away and ...well he's shocking people.

Nicks has a sore knee already. Jacobs can only last 11 weeks or so (if that) til we hear of him ailing. Bradshaw is everyone's darling but is he really 16 game durable? I don't think so.

In the past Coughlin and Gilbride have managed RBs very well and few (if any) have been lost to season ending injuries. They're going to have to find a rotation at WR. A sore knee for Nicks in August and...well if I throw it back at you and ask "What's more likely-he plays 16 weeks or rests some when the playoffs are near to be healthy for a stretch run?" I think they almost have their formula at WR and a guy like Barden or Hagan(really?) would wrap it up. I wouldn't project too much difference from 2009 as it was a well shared passing game and the WRs were relatively healthy. Again, that seems to be the Gmen's biggest concern this year on offense.

 

[kutta]

I took Steve Smith in the 5th round of my recent dynasty PPR Start-up (49 Overall), as WR15. I was happy to get him there...

I personally think he is a PPR monster, although I would like to see that catch % go up from the 68% last season, as I do not see him getting 157 targets again.

Still, a 95 Catch, 1100 yard, 6-8 TD season would still be top-10 to top-15, and I definitely see that as possible for him.

68% is outrageously good already (prob 2nd in league behind Welker?). More than likely, it will come down. So if you are really counting on that to make up for a drop in targets, I suspect you will be disappointed. Just food for thought.

According to this link, Steve Smith was at 67% last year (107 receptions on 159 targets). Here's how he stacked up against the other receiving yards leaders (note: I calculated the % from the stats on the page so their could be a math error):Wes Welker - 75%

Hines Ward - 70%

Sidney Rice - 68%

Reggie Wayne - 67%

Steve Smith - 67%

Miles Austin - 64%

Vincent Jackson - 63%

Randy Moss - 60%

Andre Johnson - 59%

Santonio Holmes - 57%

ETA: Change SS % due to dumb math error.

 

[netnalp]

Nicks & Tynes Excel at Evening Practice

The 6:05 PM practice start gave the Giants additional time to recover from their morning practice. It also gave the sun an opportunity to get low enough to just about blind everyone on the side line trying to see what was going on. I apologize for any details that I might have missed.

The Giants were in “uppers” – helmets, shoulder pads, and shorts – so the play was rougher than this morning. I tend to think that this favors the defense. Many times the defense would smother a ball carrier in the backfield, or get penetration and have a virtual sack despite the pass completed afterwards. Both offense and defense seemed to be enthusiastic about the practice and a lot of players found themselves on the ground despite Coach Tom Coughlin’s desire to keep everyone upright.

There was some jawing that was going on between CB Bruce Johnson and WR Derek Hagan. After that it did not look like Bruce held back at all in hitting Derek. He knocked him out of bounds the next time the ball came Derek’s way. Johnson absolutely nailed WR Ramses Barden taking him to the ground and landing on top of him on a side line reception. By the way, I’d say that Barden has significantly increased his upper body strength since last season.

I am pleased to report that OT Guy Whimper was back at practice this evening. He, OG Mitch Petrus, and OT William Beatty got a lot of work with the starting team. OL Cliff Louis, the replacement for the injured/waived OG Rueben Riley also wears Riley’s jersey number: 64.

WR Hakeem Nicks started off slow. He caught a wobbly pass from QB Eli Manning and sort of trotted down the side line with it when for some reason, there was no defender in the vicinity. Later, in the 11 on 11s, he took a short toss from Eli and ran all the way down the left side line with it. It was reminiscent of a similar TD he scored last season. Two plays later, Nicks caught a deep TD pass down the middle of the field thrown by QB Jim Sorgi. Nicks had several other catches and is starting to look healthy.

WR Mario Manningham had a pair of side line catches from QB Jim Sorgi in the two minute drill. Sorgi got the ball down to the twenty before time expired, completing five passes with no incompletions.

In the 11 on 11s, DT Linval Joseph was all over HB Brandon Jacobs in the backfield and LB Keith Bulluck nearly intercepted a pass intended for TE Bear Pascoe. S Michael Johnson had an excellent pass defense of an Eli Manning pass in the goal line drill. S John Busing had a sure interception of a Jim Sorgi pass bounce off his hands in the 11 on 11s. HB Andre Brown was smothered in the backfield more than once.

In the 7 on 7s, CB Terrell Thomas had a pass defense on WR Ramses Barden. The pass from Eli was right on the money to Barden and I don’t really know how he did not catch it.

K Lawrence Tynes kicked five of six field goals. The longest were 38, 44, and 48 yards. He missed a short one. It may well have been a poor snap. By my count, Lawrence is now 20 for 21 despite the new holder. Tynes continues to use a two-step-then-kick approach to the ball.

There was punting at the beginning of the practice. P Matt Dodge seems to get off excellent punts when the snap is good, but if it is low, or he catches it too close to his body, his timing is thrown off. The usual suspects were catching punts: WR Tim Brown, S Antrel Rolle and CB Aaron Ross.

Brown again had the best run back with his “water bug” moves, but Rolle and Ross had the most fun. I’m fairly certain that the two of them cooked up this razzle-dazzle play. If I remember the proper order, Ross caught the punt, then ran to his left and gave it to Rolle on a reverse. They both continued in opposite directions when Rolle pulled up and threw a 25 yard lateral back to Ross. I can’t be certain that it was not a forward pass, but I am sure that most of the people at the practice were smiling at the play.

http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/training...ening-practice/

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Good to see that Nicks isn't having trouble with his knee

 

[jdswan922]

I took Steve Smith in the 5th round of my recent dynasty PPR Start-up (49 Overall), as WR15. I was happy to get him there...

I personally think he is a PPR monster, although I would like to see that catch % go up from the 68% last season, as I do not see him getting 157 targets again.

Still, a 95 Catch, 1100 yard, 6-8 TD season would still be top-10 to top-15, and I definitely see that as possible for him.

68% is outrageously good already (prob 2nd in league behind Welker?). More than likely, it will come down. So if you are really counting on that to make up for a drop in targets, I suspect you will be disappointed. Just food for thought.

According to this link, Steve Smith was at 63% last year (107 receptions on 159 targets). Here's how he stacked up against the other receiving yards leaders (note: I calculated the % from the stats on the page so their could be a math error):Wes Welker - 75%

Hines Ward - 70%

Sidney Rice - 68%

Reggie Wayne - 67%

Miles Austin - 64%

Steve Smith - 63%

Vincent Jackson - 63%

Randy Moss - 60%

Andre Johnson - 59%

Santonio Holmes - 57%

You may want to check your math...that is 67%, not 63%

 

[gethugefast1]

Rotoworld: Aug. 7 - 7:49 pm et

Giants intend throw the football less in 2010

The Giants expect Eli Manning's numbers to go down this season as they concentrate on re-establishing a dominant rushing attack.

The Giants not only struggled to establish a successful ground game last year, they also ended up playing from behind, giving up 30+ points seven times. Eli's 2010 passing attempts will go down at the expense of the rushing attempts, which last season were the Giants' lowest since 2004. Expect more vertical passes to Hakeem Nicks, but considerably fewer pass attempts as a whole. Rotoworld's Draft Guide does not project Manning to finish as a QB1.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...&id=5445128

 

[footballman_696969]

Rotoworld: Aug. 7 - 7:49 pm et

Giants intend throw the football less in 2010

The Giants expect Eli Manning's numbers to go down this season as they concentrate on re-establishing a dominant rushing attack.

The Giants not only struggled to establish a successful ground game last year, they also ended up playing from behind, giving up 30+ points seven times. Eli's 2010 passing attempts will go down at the expense of the rushing attempts, which last season were the Giants' lowest since 2004. Expect more vertical passes to Hakeem Nicks, but considerably fewer pass attempts as a whole. Rotoworld's Draft Guide does not project Manning to finish as a QB1.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...&id=5445128

I see this quite a bit... A lot of people seem to think that the team will re-establish themselves as a running team which will hurt Mannings numbers. To me it doesn't make much sense. In 2009 the Giants ran the ball 45% of the time (443/985). Lets compare that to the 4 years prior:2008 - They ran the ball 50.5% of the time (502/993)

2007 - They ran the ball 46% of the time (469/1013)

2006 - They ran the ball 46.5% of the time (455/978)

2005 - They ran the ball 45.5% of the time (469/1027)

Thats a four year average of 47%. So last year they only ran the ball 2% less than they usually do. I could see them running a bit more this year, but I don't think it will hurt Eli's numbers as much as some are predicting.

 

[kutta]

I took Steve Smith in the 5th round of my recent dynasty PPR Start-up (49 Overall), as WR15. I was happy to get him there...

I personally think he is a PPR monster, although I would like to see that catch % go up from the 68% last season, as I do not see him getting 157 targets again.

Still, a 95 Catch, 1100 yard, 6-8 TD season would still be top-10 to top-15, and I definitely see that as possible for him.

68% is outrageously good already (prob 2nd in league behind Welker?). More than likely, it will come down. So if you are really counting on that to make up for a drop in targets, I suspect you will be disappointed. Just food for thought.

According to this link, Steve Smith was at 63% last year (107 receptions on 159 targets). Here's how he stacked up against the other receiving yards leaders (note: I calculated the % from the stats on the page so their could be a math error):Wes Welker - 75%

Hines Ward - 70%

Sidney Rice - 68%

Reggie Wayne - 67%

Miles Austin - 64%

Steve Smith - 63%

Vincent Jackson - 63%

Randy Moss - 60%

Andre Johnson - 59%

Santonio Holmes - 57%

You may want to check your math...that is 67%, not 63%

See. WTF. I knew that would happen. Thanks. One too many drinks last night...

 

[Avery]

Watch the next couple weeks carefully with Nicks' knee. While resting, Ramses Barden has been getting quality reps in practice. He's struggling with the ones after looking great earlier this calendar year. See if Barden "gets it" and everything clicks for him. It's a very important stage in Barden's development and may tell us if he even has an NFL career. If so, he's a giant (pun intended) monkey wrench here.

Those I talk to often say how the Giants limp into the playoffs (or december) in one way or another. I think overall, you'll see Coughlin making a concerted effort to not overwork his players this year and utilizing his depth.

Former Dolphin Derek Hagan just won't go away and ...well he's shocking people.

Nicks has a sore knee already. Jacobs can only last 11 weeks or so (if that) til we hear of him ailing. Bradshaw is everyone's darling but is he really 16 game durable? I don't think so.

In the past Coughlin and Gilbride have managed RBs very well and few (if any) have been lost to season ending injuries. They're going to have to find a rotation at WR. A sore knee for Nicks in August and...well if I throw it back at you and ask "What's more likely-he plays 16 weeks or rests some when the playoffs are near to be healthy for a stretch run?" I think they almost have their formula at WR and a guy like Barden or Hagan(really?) would wrap it up. I wouldn't project too much difference from 2009 as it was a well shared passing game and the WRs were relatively healthy. Again, that seems to be the Gmen's biggest concern this year on offense.

Nicks tweaking his knee that is already good enough to be ripping it up in practice means absolutely nothing for late in the season and it's not Coughlin's style to rest players for the stretch run that don't need it.Look at their Superbowl run a few years ago. What sparked the run was playing with the full complement of starters through the week 17 game. Don't doubt that Coughlin remembers that and doesn't want to limp into the playoffs.

That doesn't mean he won't theoretically rest players who need it but hew won't rest players just to rest them.

 

[-jb-]

Rotoworld: Aug. 7 - 7:49 pm et

Giants intend throw the football less in 2010

The Giants expect Eli Manning's numbers to go down this season as they concentrate on re-establishing a dominant rushing attack.

The Giants not only struggled to establish a successful ground game last year, they also ended up playing from behind, giving up 30+ points seven times. Eli's 2010 passing attempts will go down at the expense of the rushing attempts, which last season were the Giants' lowest since 2004. Expect more vertical passes to Hakeem Nicks, but considerably fewer pass attempts as a whole. Rotoworld's Draft Guide does not project Manning to finish as a QB1.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...&id=5445128

I see this quite a bit... A lot of people seem to think that the team will re-establish themselves as a running team which will hurt Mannings numbers. To me it doesn't make much sense. In 2009 the Giants ran the ball 45% of the time (443/985). Lets compare that to the 4 years prior:2008 - They ran the ball 50.5% of the time (502/993)

2007 - They ran the ball 46% of the time (469/1013)

2006 - They ran the ball 46.5% of the time (455/978)

2005 - They ran the ball 45.5% of the time (469/1027)

Thats a four year average of 47%. So last year they only ran the ball 2% less than they usually do. I could see them running a bit more this year, but I don't think it will hurt Eli's numbers as much as some are predicting.

It's less a matter of how many times they run, and more a matter of how effective they are at it.2009 - 443/1837/4.2

2008 - 502/2518/5.0

2007 - 469/2148/4.6

2006 - 455/2156/4.7

2005 - 469/2209/4.7

From 2005 to 2008, the Giants were averaging 473/2258/4.8. So, they dropped 30 carries, 421 yards, and 0.6 YPC.

I think it's fair to say that Eli will indeed regress some, and that obviously affects the WRs in general.