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Can someone remind me why we are defending Israel again?
Well let me ask you this - would you be in support of what would happen to Israel if the USA cut off aid all together down to zero?

What do you think would happen?
Nothing would happen. Israel is incredibly rich and has the best man/woman for man/woman military in the world. And nuclear weapons. If America cut off aid to Israel nothing would happen.

More important question: what do you think would happen?

 
Can someone remind me why we are defending Israel again?
Well let me ask you this - would you be in support of what would happen to Israel if the USA cut off aid all together down to zero?

What do you think would happen?
Nothing would happen. Israel is incredibly rich and has the best man/woman for man/woman military in the world. And nuclear weapons. If America cut off aid to Israel nothing would happen.

More important question: what do you think would happen?
It would hurt some of our aerospace manufacturers. It would piss off a large number of Jewish voters (and wealthy Jewish donors to both political parties). And it would severely limit our diplomatic efforts over there. That's about it.

 
Can someone remind me why we are defending Israel again?
We're not. They are a major ally. We sell them weapons, and we guarantee their loans. We support them against attacks in the United Nations.But when Israel has come under attack, we have never once sent troops over there to defend them.
Obama has said that he would defend Israel if they were attacked, specifically in the context of Iran.

 
Can someone remind me why we are defending Israel again?
Well let me ask you this - would you be in support of what would happen to Israel if the USA cut off aid all together down to zero?

What do you think would happen?
Nothing would happen. Israel is incredibly rich and has the best man/woman for man/woman military in the world. And nuclear weapons. If America cut off aid to Israel nothing would happen.

More important question: what do you think would happen?
It would hurt some of our aerospace manufacturers. It would piss off a large number of Jewish voters (and wealthy Jewish donors to both political parties). And it would severely limit our diplomatic efforts over there.That's about it.
I think you guys are being a tad naive (for lack of a better term) about what would happen. Hamas and Hizbullah would attack, and then it's all pile on after that.

One potential consequence is genocide.

 
At the end of the day, my thoughts boil down to this. While I am VERY SKEPTICAL of Obamas Israel policy, the one thing that keeps me from losing it is Congressman Steve Israel who is very much in Obamas inner circle and heads the DCCC is about as staunchly pro Israel (name aside) as they come. While I know Steve and Obama don't always see eye to eye, it's hard to reconcile how awful Obama seems on this issue with Steve Israel's position.
So Tim posted a couple interesting articles at the start of this thread about what Obama's true leanings might be and that it wasn't clear then.

Do you have any inkling what he really believes internally at this point?

 
Can someone remind me why we are defending Israel again?
We're not. They are a major ally. We sell them weapons, and we guarantee their loans. We support them against attacks in the United Nations.But when Israel has come under attack, we have never once sent troops over there to defend them.
Obama has said that he would defend Israel if they were attacked, specifically in the context of Iran.
The only way that Iran can physically attack Israel is to build a nuclear weapon and set it off in Israel somehow. If that ever happens, we will not need to defend Israel, as they will retaliate by destroying Iran.
 
Can someone remind me why we are defending Israel again?
We're not. They are a major ally. We sell them weapons, and we guarantee their loans. We support them against attacks in the United Nations. But when Israel has come under attack, we have never once sent troops over there to defend them.
Fair enough.

Can someone remind me why they are an ally again? This is what makes me laugh about the party I used to be a part of:

Against capital punishment ?

Most liberal abortion policy in the civiliZed world?

Not big fans of "Jesus is the Christ?"

Not a problem so long as you like war!!!

 
Can someone remind me why we are defending Israel again?
We're not. They are a major ally. We sell them weapons, and we guarantee their loans. We support them against attacks in the United Nations.But when Israel has come under attack, we have never once sent troops over there to defend them.
Obama has said that he would defend Israel if they were attacked, specifically in the context of Iran.
The only way that Iran can physically attack Israel is to build a nuclear weapon and set it off in Israel somehow. If that ever happens, we will not need to defend Israel, as they will retaliate by destroying Iran.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Senator Obama, let's stay in the region. Iran continues to pursue a nuclear option. Those weapons, if they got them, would probably pose the greatest threat to Israel.

During the Cold War, it was the United States policy to extend deterrence to our NATO allies. An attack on Great Britain would be treated as if it were an attack on the United States.

Should it be U.S. policy now to treat on Iranian attack on Israel as if it were an attack against the United States?

OBAMA: Well, our first step should be to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of the Iranians. And that has to be one of our top priorities, and I will make it one of our top priorities when I'm president of the United States.

I have said I will do whatever is required to prevent the Iranians from obtaining nuclear weapons.

...

Now, my belief is that they should also know that I will take no options off the table when it comes to preventing them from using nuclear weapons or obtaining nuclear weapons. And that would include any threats directed at Israel, or any of our allies.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So you would extend our deterrent to Israel?

OBAMA: As I said before, I think it is very important that Iran understands that an attack on Israel, is an attack on our strongest ally in the region, one that we -- one whose security, we consider paramount. And that would be an act of aggression that we would -- that I would consider an attack that is unacceptable. And the United States would take appropriate action.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4670271&page=1&singlePage=true

 
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Israel is an ally because they are a western style democratic pluralistic government, much like most of western Europe, and because they have consistently throughout their history since 1948 supported the interests and goals of the United States more than any other nation on Earth, including our closest ally, England.

 
Israel is an ally because they are a western style democratic pluralistic government, much like most of western Europe, and because they have consistently throughout their history since 1948 supported the interests and goals of the United States more than any other nation on Earth, including our closest ally, England.
Yeah. Things are going pretty well with England too.

 
At the end of the day, my thoughts boil down to this. While I am VERY SKEPTICAL of Obamas Israel policy, the one thing that keeps me from losing it is Congressman Steve Israel who is very much in Obamas inner circle and heads the DCCC is about as staunchly pro Israel (name aside) as they come. While I know Steve and Obama don't always see eye to eye, it's hard to reconcile how awful Obama seems on this issue with Steve Israel's position.
So Tim posted a couple interesting articles at the start of this thread about what Obama's true leanings might be and that it wasn't clear then.

Do you have any inkling what he really believes internally at this point?
None at all. As I said, my gut is pretty skeptical. That said, I don't know that Obama is against Israel so much as that he's, well, naive.

It's a sad indictment of a guy whose in his second term as president... But his track record suggests maybe that's the real issue (and why someone like Steve Israel is still so much in his corner).

The naive president - he fumbled a huge mandate coming in after Bush. He focused on the wrong issues at the wrong time: Only when he lost his mandate did he try to push things but by then the Reps controlled the conversation. The victories Obama had along the way were cast as neutral at best and whenever there was a stalemate, Obama was outspun by the right. As the right way overstepped its newfound air, Obama never seemed to understand DC or the politics of people in the beltway...

I really never looked at it quite like this, but it explains a whole lot. I think he truly wants to take a more objective view, not recognizing that objectively, Hamas is a murderous terror organization and not the legit governing body or leadership of a people. Why can't Obama make a great speech and they can all just get along?

 
This whole conversation is pretty stupid. Israel is not, and will never be, our friend nor our ally. They are for themselves and no one else. In reality they are an anchor around our necks and provide us no benefits. If the Israel sycophants want to see the future consider that, in this country, something like 75% of 65+ people support Israel while something like only 25% of 18-25 year olds support Israel. I would imagine the same demographics exist in Europe. The days of people seeing Israel as some kind of underdog against all of their neighbors are long gone. They have no qualms at all about massacring children and the majority of the world sees this. IMO, we should have cut them loose decades ago.

 
Can someone remind me why we are defending Israel again?
We're not. They are a major ally. We sell them weapons, and we guarantee their loans. We support them against attacks in the United Nations.

But when Israel has come under attack, we have never once sent troops over there to defend them.
Obama has said that he would defend Israel if they were attacked, specifically in the context of Iran.
The only way that Iran can physically attack Israel is to build a nuclear weapon and set it off in Israel somehow. If that ever happens, we will not need to defend Israel, as they will retaliate by destroying Iran.
You have no idea how much I look forward to Iran getting a nuclear bomb just so all this nonsense of Iran blowing up Israel can stop. Israel has hundreds of nukes and would send Iran back to the stone age if they were nuked. The leaders in Iran - like every leader around the world - only care about staying in power. Anything else they want is secondary to that.

 
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Can someone remind me why we are defending Israel again?
We're not. They are a major ally. We sell them weapons, and we guarantee their loans. We support them against attacks in the United Nations.But when Israel has come under attack, we have never once sent troops over there to defend them.
Obama has said that he would defend Israel if they were attacked, specifically in the context of Iran.
The only way that Iran can physically attack Israel is to build a nuclear weapon and set it off in Israel somehow. If that ever happens, we will not need to defend Israel, as they will retaliate by destroying Iran.
You have no idea how much I look forward to Iran getting a nuclear bomb just so all this nonsense of Iran blowing up Israel can stop. Israel has hundreds of nukes and would send Iran back to the stone age if they were nuked. The leaders in Iran - like every leader around the world - only care about staying in power. Anything else they want is secondary to that.
I actually agree with this. But the problem is that not all of Iran's leaders are so rational. Some of them are fanatics, and they might give the bomb to terrorists, or they might be willing to sacrifice everything to destroy Israel. Unlikely, but not a chance I'd like to take. And even if it doesn't happen, Iran gaining a bomb would give them pre-eminence over all of the other Islamic Middle Eastern nations, and that would be very troublesome for us.

So I don't look forward to it at all. Hopefully it won't happen.

 
Can someone remind me why we are defending Israel again?
We're not. They are a major ally. We sell them weapons, and we guarantee their loans. We support them against attacks in the United Nations.But when Israel has come under attack, we have never once sent troops over there to defend them.
Obama has said that he would defend Israel if they were attacked, specifically in the context of Iran.
The only way that Iran can physically attack Israel is to build a nuclear weapon and set it off in Israel somehow. If that ever happens, we will not need to defend Israel, as they will retaliate by destroying Iran.
You have no idea how much I look forward to Iran getting a nuclear bomb just so all this nonsense of Iran blowing up Israel can stop. Israel has hundreds of nukes and would send Iran back to the stone age if they were nuked. The leaders in Iran - like every leader around the world - only care about staying in power. Anything else they want is secondary to that.
I actually agree with this. But the problem is that not all of Iran's leaders are so rational. Some of them are fanatics, and they might give the bomb to terrorists, or they might be willing to sacrifice everything to destroy Israel. Unlikely, but not a chance I'd like to take. And even if it doesn't happen, Iran gaining a bomb would give them pre-eminence over all of the other Islamic Middle Eastern nations, and that would be very troublesome for us.

So I don't look forward to it at all. Hopefully it won't happen.
I'm not concerned about their leaders but security would be an issue and preventing radicals from gaining access. However, Pakistan is able to secure their nukes so Iran should be able to do the same.

Also, besides MAD there is the issue of nuking all the Palestinians and other Muslims who live in the area. Not a great way to meet Allah if that's why you're doing it.

 
Team Obama is not done slamming Israel



Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is fuming over President Obama’s abstention in last week’s anti-Israel vote at the United Nations. Israelis warn Obama may have even more in store for the Jewish state before he leaves office.

Here’s why they might be right.

Since September, if not well before that, Obama has been weighing a menu of possible actions to hammer Israel before leaving office. I know this because US officials openly admitted this to me. Indeed, they were almost boasting about it.

This is what we know of the options on Obama’s menu:

The first was recognizing a Palestinian state. Mohammed Shtayyeh, an adviser to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, called upon Obama to do this in the New York Times on Oct. 26. His piece was titled, “How to Save Obama’s Legacy in Palestine.” The piece didn’t receive much attention at the time, given that such a move would fly in the face of decades of US policy.

Another option, as we now know, was to push for a resolution that took Israel to task for building settlements. Administration officials insisted that it wouldn’t allow for such a measure if it lacked “balance.” Apparently, last week’s resolution, which denied Israel’s right to the Western Wall, somehow met that criterion.

Obama was also mulling a “parameters resolution” at the United Nations, which would lay out the president’s complete vision for a two-state solution — including everything from borders and Jerusalem to refugees and settlements. This seemed like a particularly tall order, given how difficult it can be for UN member states to agree on such complex issues — especially in such a short amount of time.

In the event Obama couldn’t get traction at the United Nations, he had the option of a formal speech — the “Obama Parameters” — to delineate his full vision for the two-state solution and, at least in his view, have that speech endure as a milestone for future negotiations.

Finally, the president was reportedly mulling punitive measures against Israel, either by sanctions or new guidance at the IRS. The goal, it appeared, was to deny 501c3 tax-deductible status to US-based organizations that funded settlement construction. A US official confirmed to me that he was tasked with exploring sanctions opportunities, but found the prospect “legally challenging.”

Interestingly, in an Oct. 6 press release, the controversial left-wing J Street lobby, which reportedly has good access to the Obama White House, openly called for denying “tax-deductible treatment for donations to NGOs that advance settlement expansion.”

Fast forward to Obama’s UN abstention last week — which his UN ambassador Samantha Power bizarrely tried to spin as pro-Israel in her speech after the vote. The media billed this as Obama’s “parting shot,” implying that this was his administration’s last slap at Netanyahu after eight years of antagonism.

But there’s no reason to think Obama isn’t considering at least one of the other menu options — if not three.

Secretary of State John Kerry (not Obama) is now set to deliver a final speech on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The Israelis fear that this speech would present pre-packaged solutions for the thorniest negotiating issues, including borders and Jerusalem, making bilateral negotiations unnecessary for the Palestinians, who would get most of what they want. Israel’s diplomatic leverage would be obliterated.

But wait, there’s more. Israel’s Channel 2 and the Times of Israel now report that Netanyahu fears Obama will take these parameters to the UN to be ratified by the international community.

And new reports suggest that Obama is preparing to recognize a Palestinian state at the Security Council.

The dangers of these final two moves cannot be overstated. They are tantamount to a green light for the Palestinians to launch, through diplomacy, lawfare or violence, a war to claim what Obama granted them. They would also set the stage for a tsunami of Arab and European delegitimization or economic-warfare efforts that the Israelis would be forced to battle for years to come.

Netanyahu has understandably reached out to President-elect Donald Trump, hoping he’ll intervene. Trump can and apparently will try to mitigate the damage Obama has wrought — both before and after he becomes president.

The goal now for Team Trump is to come up with its own menu of options, both to protect America’s only reliable Middle East ally from Obama’s vicious broadside and to devise punitive measures against those who colluded with him. They should start by taking a hard look at the United Nations, the countries that voted in favor of Obama’s parting shots and even those shameful elements of the US bureaucracy that are all too willing, under any administration, to gang up on the Jewish state.

Jonathan Schanzer is vice president for research at Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

 
from the national review , no fan of Obama or Trump for that matter . As expected an anti Obama piece

A religious leftist, he breaks down Bible believers into two categories: fools and liars.


Barack Obama has done his best for nearly eight years to undermine the state of Israel. He’s signed a treaty that enshrines an Iranian path to a nuclear weapon while funding their global terrorist activities to the tune of tens of billions of dollars. He’s repeatedly undercut Israel’s image on the world stage, labeling Israel a mere outgrowth of the Holocaust and suggesting that Israeli intransigence stands as the chief obstacle to peace. He’s ushered Benjamin Netanyahu out the side door of the White House, attempted to undercut the prime minister’s speech before Congress, and then deployed an election team to Israel to try to defeat him in an election. Obama has tried to cut weapons shipments to Israel in the middle of a war against terrorists, forced Israel to apologize for stopping weapons shipments to Hamas terrorists, and funded the Palestinian terrorist unity government with American taxpayer dollars.

Nonetheless, Israel has survived.

Actually, Israel has thrived.

It’s thrived, in part, because Obama’s absolute incompetence has created an alliance of convenience between Israel and its erstwhile enemies. Saudi Arabia is more fearful of a nuclear Iran than of Israel; Egypt worries more about the Muslim Brotherhood than about Israel; Jordan frets over the Palestinians more than it does over Israel. Even the Palestinian Authority is more concerned about Hamas and ISIS than about Israel.

That means that there’s been very little pressure on Israel to make concessions to Palestinian terrorists in recent years.

Until now.

Obama’s animus for the state of Israel stretches beyond the typical internationalist leftist view of Israel as a colonialist outpost, a cancer growing in the heart of the Muslim Middle East. Most internationalist leftists think that Israel is the cause of Muslim ire, that if Israel were to disappear, suddenly the Muslim lands surrounding it would view the rest of the world with fresh, dewy eyes. This is the same general philosophy that blames the West for the problem of Islamic violence, that suggests that income maldistribution breeds discontent that in turn breeds terrorism.

Obama may think that, but that’s not what drives him.

RELATED: Obama’s Betrayal of Israel Is a Black Day for American Diplomacy

Something deeper drives Obama when it comes to Israel. Why else would he spend the last few weeks of his presidency throwing gasoline on Israel and then lighting a match?

Some might suggest ideological kinship with Islam. Obama isn’t a Muslim, of course, but he has bragged often and loudly about his heartfelt connection to the religion — and Muslims the world over, by polling data, see Israel as the chief threat to global peace. There are points of commonality between Obama’s philosophy and that of Muslim hardliners: Both see the Crusades as the instigation of the Islamic world’s war on the West; both believe that Israel has destroyed Muslim solidarity in the Middle East; both attribute democratic feeling to Islamist movements.

Or perhaps even that explanation is insufficient: It doesn’t tell us why Obama is so eager to hand over control of Middle Eastern policy to Vladimir Putin and Russia, for example.

EDITORIAL: Obama’s Shameful Parting Shot at Israel

Here’s the most plausible explanation: Obama despises Israel because at root, Obama despises the traditional Judeo-Christian underpinning of Western civilization. He breaks down Bible believers into two categories: fools and liars. The fools are the “bitter clingers,” the idiot masses who fall into racism and xenophobia and Bible jabber because they’re poor and stupid. The liars are the self-interested characters who want to do what they want to do while citing the Bible for their support.

Real Christians are leftists — as Obama said in 2006, “I believed and still believe in the power of the African-American religious tradition to spur social change. . . . The black church understands in an intimate way the biblical call to feed the hungry and clothe the naked and challenge powers and principalities.”

Obama, then, is a religious leftist. He prefers a form of Christianity that rejects biblical centrality and that replaces the Bible with leftism at its heart. It’s not a coincidence that Obama attended Jeremiah Wright’s church for two decades. Wright preached hatred against Israel throughout his tenure, calling it an “apartheid” state and labeling all settlements “illegally occupied territories.” He labeled Jesus “a Palestinian” and argued that “the Palestinian people have had the Europeans come and take their country. . . . The youth in Ferguson and the youth in Palestine have united together to remind us that the dots need to be connected.”


You can take Obama out of Jeremiah Wright’s church, but you can’t take Jeremiah Wright’s church out of Obama.


Obama strongly mirrors that language himself, complaining about the “desperation and disorder of the powerless, how it twists the lives of children on the streets of Jakarta or Nairobi in much the same way as it does the lives of children on Chicago’s South Side.” To Obama, Bible believers who utilize religion as an excuse to cover for the real class oppression are merely cynical manipulators. You can take Obama out of Jeremiah Wright’s church, but you can’t take Jeremiah Wright’s church out of Obama.

And what is the ultimate repository of such manipulation of religion? The Jewish state. The Jews of Israel, Obama believes, are aggressors, using biblical writ as an excuse for oppression, hiding behind the Bible when it’s really naked self-interest at work. That’s why Obama stated at the Hiroshima Peace Memorial in Japan that “no religion has been spared from believers who have claimed their faith as a license to kill. . . . How easily we learn to justify violence in the name of some higher cause.”

To Obama, that’s what the Jews of Israel do. Because their control over Israel is inherently connected to biblical mandate, Obama must oppose them. He must side instead with a religion of social justice, not a religion of biblical principle.

That means rejecting Jewish Jerusalem. That means rewriting the Bible, that document of sadism and oppression, to make it over into The Book of Obama. That means Israel must pay for the sin of worshiping its God over the god of warmed-over, amoral redistributionism.

Obama’s likely to be disappointed. The Jews have been exiled from Jerusalem several times. Never again.

 
from real clear politics

Obama's Attack on Israel


That Barack Obama would exit his presidency with one final betrayal of Israel is a shameful act by the most relentlessly anti-Israeli president in American history.

The particular form this betrayal took was the United States not only abstaining  from voting on an anti-Israeli U.N. resolution,  but, according to the Israelis, helping to craft and push it. (The administration has denied playing any such role, but it seems highly unlikely that Israel would make such an accusation if it couldn’t back  up the assertion.)

Resolution 2334, a reversal of decades of American policy, assists the Palestinians in their diplomatic and legal war against Israel. It allows them to avoid direct negotiations with Israel and internationalizes the conflict by supporting boycotts and sanctions against Israel. And it makes a resolution between the adversaries less, not more, likely, reinforcing Palestinian intransigence. As for how radical and offensive the resolution is, consider just this: It declares that the Western Wall is occupied Palestinian territory and that Jews living in the Jewish quarter of Jerusalem are residing there illegally. (Alan Dershowitz points out that Obama placed a note in the Western Wall, which, based on the resolution, was an illegal act.)

The fact that this malicious U.N. action has the support of Barack Obama is hardly a surprise. He has expressed scathing contempt for Benjamin Netanyahu, to the point that his administration attempted to intervene  in Israel’s election in an effort to defeat the prime minister. But what is going on here goes far beyond conflicting personalities.

Obama, a man of the left, has shown time and time again anti-Israeli reflexes that are the product of deep anti-Israeli sentiments. He seems to delight in applying pressure to Israel even as he overlooks or downplays the malevolence of its enemies. (This is true of nations such as Iran and terrorist organizations including Hamas.) Obama acts publicly as though he feels more loathing toward Benjamin Netanyahu than Bashar al-Assad – and more anger toward Israel for its settlement policies than toward Syria for its mass atrocities.  

It is an extraordinary moral inversion being undertaken by a lame duck U.S. president: On behalf of the United States he has directed antipathy against not only one of America’s most loyal allies but a nation that is among history’s most estimable and admirable. In a sea of tyranny, Israel is democratic, pluralistic, self-critical, and respectful of individual rights, human rights and minority rights. It is bone-weary of war and has made enormous sacrifices for peace. Yet to its critics it seems to matter not at all that Israel has repeatedly shown its willingness to sacrifice “land for peace” or that the Palestinians have repeatedly walked away from generous deals that would grant them statehood. Obama and those on the left keep pushing a tired old anti-Israeli narrative, one not rooted in reality. Distortions to truth are acceptable so long as they are done in an effort to undermine the world’s only Jewish state.

The U.N. has long been an anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic institution. What the United States has almost always done is to stand with Israel against its enemies. With the Obama presidency, the United States has joined them. It is a moment that is as squalid as it was predictable.

 
from daily beast taking up Obama's side

Why Did Obama Let the UN Criticize Israel? Because It Was the Last Chance to Act Sane



Have you been to Ramat Shlomo? I have.
Depending on your politics, Ramat Shlomo is either a dull, ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighborhood in the north of Jerusalem, the eternal, undivided capital of Israel; or a settlement in Occupied Palestine, deemed illegal this week by a 14-0 vote of the United Nations Security Council (which had said the same thing in 1980) with a surprise U.S. abstention, rather than veto.
The truth about places like Ramat Shlomo—and the now-dashed political consensus about them—is somewhere in between these poles. But while the reality of the Middle East is complex and nuanced, the rhetoric and politics around it are anything but. The new winners of this game are those who paint in broad, Manichean strokes: the boycott/divestment/sanctions (BDS) movement and their dance partners on the Jewish nationalist right. The biggest losers are everyone else.
Ramat Shlomo is a microcosm of the whole mess.
Legally, Israel did formally annex the eastern parts of Jerusalem after conquering them in the 1967 War, and that war was a pre-emptive strike against Arab neighbors who were openly promising Israel’s destruction and amassing the forces to carry it out. However, the UN doesn’t recognize pre-emptive strikes as defensive; therefore, Israel started the Six-Day War; therefore, east(ern) Jerusalem is occupied territory; therefore, Ramat Shlomo—together with all Israeli construction in East Jerusalem, even in most of the Old City—violates international law.
Geographically, Ramat Shlomo is part-settlement, part-neighborhood. Several miles north of Jerusalem proper, it abuts the Palestinian neighborhood and refugee camp of Shuafat, and is across a deep valley from what were formerly the northernmost suburbs of the city. Now, it’s part of a chain of settlements/neighborhoods—Pisgat Zeev, Neve Yaakov—that stretches most of the way to Ramallah. The local buses go there, the light rail goes nearby, but it’s nowhere near the Old City, or the Knesset, or anything recognizable as Jerusalem.
So, somewhere in between.
That legal and geographical middle ground used to be where international political consensus also resided. Israel proper is legitimate, but colonizing the West Bank is not. Some settlements, like Ramat Shlomo, will be incorporated into Israel as part of a final status agreement, while some more remote ones will not. There must be two states for two peoples, with some agreement on compensation for refugees, and some suburb of Jerusalem made the Palestinian capital. Both Palestinians and Israelis have blown several chances for peace, with cowardly leaders on both sides caving into nationalist pressures. Nobel Prizes notwithstanding, there are no Nelson Mandelas, or even F.W. DeKlerks, left at this negotiating table.
That center—where the two-state solution is the only path forward and where positions flow from reason, rather than ideology and military might—is soon to disintegrate.
The Obama administration’s decision not to veto UN Security Council Resolution 2334 last week must be seen in the context of the Trump election and the appointment of one the leaders of the settlement project, David Friedman, as ambassador to Israel.
It is clear that the next four years will see a very different American policy in the region: no longer “honest broker,” but staunch advocate for Israel’s right-wing fringe, a collection of extremist settlers underwritten by American Jewish and Christian Zionist donors. So, as Obama goes out the door, he chooses to step back and let the Security Council vote 14-0 to censure the same settlement project that Friedman (and Jared Kushner) has helped underwrite.
The two-state solution, in other words, has now shifted from the centrist consensus to the liberal opposition. And the opposition starts now—opposing any actions that make it less likely, and recording, for at least one moment, the former consensus of the world’s leaders that building settlements is one of those actions.
But this week’s vote is the last gasp of that consensus. And with it gone, centrist organizations like J Street, and two-stater, “pro-Israel, pro-peace” Jewish pundits like Peter Beinart, Jeffrey Goldberg, and myself, have no ground left to stand on. At least not in the short term.
J Street’s theory of change was that if the U.S. government wouldn’t write Israel a blank check, then Israel’s leaders would have at least some greater incentive to negotiate the deal that we all know is necessary for justice and peace. But now, with an incoming administration further to the extremist right than any in American history, that strategy hasn’t got a prayer. We’re done—for four years, anyway.
So what’s left? For Americans who care about this issue, the hard right and the hard left.
On the right, the self-appointed leaders of the Jewish establishment are apoplectic. You’d think that the neo-Nazis were Obama’s supporters rather than Trump’s.
To this establishment, the non-veto proves Obama hated Israel all along. You can almost hear them saying: We told you so!
Never mind the $38 billion, 10-year aid package that the administration just put together, the largest in American-Israeli history. Never mind that the Reagan administration abstained from far more UN resolutions critical of Israel (seven) than Obama (one). Never mind that, in fact, the settlements threaten Israel’s long-term viability, since they pave the road to apartheid, in which a minority rules over a second-class majority. (They are also phenomenally expensive.) Never mind the unprecedented insults that Israeli leaders have hurled at President Obama, treating him like a mere occupant of the White House, rather than the president of the United States.
Never mind all that, the right says. Obama is anti-Israel. And if you support him, you must be anti-Semitic.
On the left, the coming administration could leave BDS—the movement for boycott, divestment, and sanctions against Israel—as perhaps the only realistic strategy to oppose settlements and the occupation in general. If liberal Zionists have no one in the administration who will listen to them, then many will surely turn to BDS, which at least offers some coherent pathway to a Palestinian state. (Or a binational one, as many of the movement’s leaders actually want.) That’s more than any liberal Zionist policy of engagement can reasonably promise. Engage with whom, exactly?
In a sense, American Jews are like those centrist voters in the 2016 election who were caught between two options they don’t like. (“Profoundly uncomfortable” is how the left-leaning former head of the Union Reform Judaism, Rabbi Eric Yoffie, put it.) They can sign on to the nationalism, Orthodox religious dominance, and occasional abject racism of the right. Or they can put up with the inflammatory rhetoric, naivete, and occasional abject anti-Semitism of the BDS-led left. The idea of boycotting Israel may be nausea-inducing. But at least the BDS camp offers some hope for a two-state solution, and justice for 6.3 million Palestinians.
Moreover, BDS may be rapidly becoming the default political position of many of the young, Bernie Left. Ironically, it is not the position of one of that faction’s leaders, Rep. Keith Ellison, who has said some anti-Israel things over the years but has a very strong pro-Israel voting record (and opposition to BDS). But it is temperamentally where the Bernie wing of the Democratic Party resides. Despite the often hystericalefforts of right-wing billionaires to keep their children away from it, BDS isn’t totally treyf anymore.
Then again, the Bernie wing is not the only wing. The Democrats still have security hawks, who find BDS too oppositional, BDS’s leaders too unreliable, and the idea of sanctioning Israel too extreme. And Democrats still command the votes of 80 percent of American Jews, some of whom will indeed vote Republican if Israel becomes a partisan issue or the BDS crowd becomes too prominent a liberal trope.
Likewise, Republicans have their cooler heads as well, though one wonders how many times Defense Secretary nominee James “Mad Dog” Mattis is supposed to be the only grownup in the room. If he even gets confirmed, that is—Mattis, after all, said that Israeli policies are often inimical to American ones, and that settlements are leading Israel to “apartheid.”
Could the Obama team have forestalled this schism by vetoing the UNSC resolution as usual? No. It was coming anyway, with the election of Trump/Kushner/Friedman. And, if nothing else, Benjamin Netanyahu’s Trump-like pathetic tantrum—personal invective against Obama, ridiculous counteractions against every country who voted for the resolution, summoning ambassadors to appear on Christmas—confirms what progressives have said about him for years: that he was never going to negotiate peace with the Palestinians, that he is a weak leader who rules (like Trump) on the basis of demagoguery and grandstanding. Great. We told you so.
Ironically, the vanished centrist consensus—two states, security and justice concerns accommodated—is still what a majority of Israeli voters choose every time they go to the polls, and is the position of the vast majority of Israel’s defense and intelligence establishments. But what do they know, compared to angry American Jews in Riverdale, zealous Christian Zionists in Topeka, and David Friedman, an ideologue with no diplomatic or political expertise? In the new normal, experts are always wrong.
Editor’s Note: Rabbi Eric Yoffie is the former head of the Union for Reform Judaism. An earlier version of this report said he was the head of the Reform Movement.

 
As a Jew I am touched by this newfound concern for my people's homeland from folks who supported a US presidential campaign run by an anti-Semite.

 

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