Offensive rookie of year... (1 Viewer)

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Cam Newton stat splits from ESPN:4th quarter when between down 7 or up 7: 50.7% with a 70.2 QB ratingLast 2 minutes of the half: 73.6 QB ratingQB Rating by quarter:1st=92.62nd=80.23rd=76.44th=76.1By winning between 15 to 21 points: 73.9%, 8.65 Yards per comp, 0 sacks, 1 TD, 0 INT, 114.2 QB RatingBy winning between 1 to 7 points: 59.4%, 6.55 Yards per comp, 8 sacks, 1 TD, 2 INT, 71.0 QB RatingBy losing between 1 to 7 points: 55.6%, 8.41 Yards per comp, 6 sacks, 4 TD, 6 INT, 74.6 QB RatingBy losing between 15 to 21 points: 69.8%, 9.94 Yards per comp, 1 sack, 2 TD, 2 INT, 98.6 QB Rating(can you say garbage time stat loading!)All this tells me is when the game is on the line or close Cam doesn't come through. But when his team is far behind he loads up his stats.

Carolina has only been "far behind" in one game this season. The only games other times that they lost by more than a touchdown or so was in games where late TD's were scored by the other teams.You obviously haven't been watching the games if you think that Newton is just late game stat loading.

Numbers don't lie, homers do

 

[jonboltz]

cam newton is having the greatest rookie year of all time and it may not even be the greatest of this season.

Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson laugh at your post

Randy Moss rookie year might be better than Cam's. ADP's isn't even close and might not even be top 5 for his position.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

cam newton is having the greatest rookie year of all time and it may not even be the greatest of this season.

Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson laugh at your post

Randy Moss rookie year might be better than Cam's. ADP's isn't even close and might not even be top 5 for his position.

1609 total yards at 6.2 yards per touch, 5.6 yards per carry with 13 touchdowns in only 14 games played. Add in that he set the single game rushing record 296 yards versus a solid SD team.

 

[JD8p]

I think we need to see how the season shakes out before deciding, but right now I would think I lean Dalton or Murray.

 

[biggamer3]

Newton should be the 4th choice on this list. I'm no hater, but the fact is the other three guys are winning football games.

the other 3 guys are on teams which are winning football games. through 11 games, the Panthers already have 14 more 1st downs than all of last year. They're averaging 2 more yards per play. they already have 9 more touchdowns than all of last year. They've gone from dead last offensively to 5th yardage and 16th scoring. Cam is the key reason for this.

Contradict muchThe teams are winning football games for the other players(Green/Dalton/Murray) but Cam is the key reason for increase in stats. Give me a break. Panthers have a good OL/Steve Smith/LaFell/Floyd/Olsen/Shockey/Dwill/Jstew/Goodson...not a bad supporting cast.

Who has the best OL between Dallas/Cinci/Carolina? I say Carolina, followed by Cinci and then Dallas.

Who has the best RB between Dallas/Cinci/Carolina? I say Carolina, followed by Dallas and then Cinci.

Who has the best targets between Dallas/Cinci/Car? I say Dallas, followed by Carolina and then Cinci.

The reason Carolina has such an increase in offense is because they have a QB with a pulse, not b/c Cam Newton is AMAZING.

People have Cam Newton from the first 4 weeks stuck in their heads. Yes he had some huge passing yardage games, but he hasn't throw for over 300 yards since week 4.

Carolina hasn't improved a single piece of their offense other than Cam Newton. Lafell did nothing last season, Floyd doesn't exist (no idea who you are talking about), Olsen is having to be used as a blocker of offensive line injuries (losing Jeff Otah was a KILLER for the O-Line), and Goodson is on IR.That same "not bad" supporting cast was the worst offense in the NFL last year. I was one of the biggest Newton doubters when the Panthers drafted him, but what he has done for the offensive side of the ball in Carolina is nothing short of amazing.

Floyd=Nanee, I picked the wrong WR that came over from SD.You really don't think that Jimmy Clausen hurt the entire offense. Does Cam help it? Yes. Enough to say it's all him and not a solid to good supporting cast, no.

People need to remove Fantasy Football from their minds and insert NFL football.

My opinion has nothing to do with Fantasy Football. I am a Panthers fan and watched every game he played, plus every game last season. Yes, Jimmy Clausen was terrible, so was Matt Moore who is doing a pretty decent job in Miami this season. Again, Cam is the ONLY upgrade to the panthers offense compared to last year. Can you say that Dalton, Green, or Murray could be the only change on a team and have them move from the worst offense in the NFL to a top 10 unit? I certainly don't think so. Dalton and Green haven't even done it COMBINED.Is Cam solely responsible for the turnaround? Of course not. Is he the most important piece by far? Absolutely.

The only things that you can point to Dalton doing better than Newton is more wins (clearly a result of a MUCH better defense) and slightly better TD/INT ratio. When you factor in Newton's rushing touchdowns though, even that isn't close.

Greg Olsen upgraded the Panthers, as well as LaFell not being a rookie anymore.Honestly, you don't think when a team is losing a football game that it's much easier to throw the ball or for Cam to run it as a QB? Defenses are in bend don't break defenses, aka not trying to give up touchdowns.

Is this Benson poster trolling here?He really used Greg Olson and the fact that Lafell is in his second year as reasons for the Panthers being competent at offense?

The one Panther game I watched recently, Olson had a fumble to squander a redzone chance and a huge drop right before the half to get them in FG range. Dude is not the reason they are good on offense i'll tell you that much

 

[cvnpoka]

olsen helps a lot. so does shockey. lafell and naanee are aids. still, dalton has a ton better weapons than cam.

 

[jonboltz]

cam newton is having the greatest rookie year of all time and it may not even be the greatest of this season.

Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson laugh at your post

Randy Moss rookie year might be better than Cam's. ADP's isn't even close and might not even be top 5 for his position.

1609 total yards at 6.2 yards per touch, 5.6 yards per carry with 13 touchdowns in only 14 games played. Add in that he set the single game rushing record 296 yards versus a solid SD team.

Which is a totally fantastic season. But still not in the top 5 for rookie RBs, and likely not better than how Cam's year ends up.

 

[solorca]

Cam Newton stat splits from ESPN:4th quarter when between down 7 or up 7: 50.7% with a 70.2 QB ratingLast 2 minutes of the half: 73.6 QB ratingQB Rating by quarter:1st=92.62nd=80.23rd=76.44th=76.1By winning between 15 to 21 points: 73.9%, 8.65 Yards per comp, 0 sacks, 1 TD, 0 INT, 114.2 QB RatingBy winning between 1 to 7 points: 59.4%, 6.55 Yards per comp, 8 sacks, 1 TD, 2 INT, 71.0 QB RatingBy losing between 1 to 7 points: 55.6%, 8.41 Yards per comp, 6 sacks, 4 TD, 6 INT, 74.6 QB RatingBy losing between 15 to 21 points: 69.8%, 9.94 Yards per comp, 1 sack, 2 TD, 2 INT, 98.6 QB Rating(can you say garbage time stat loading!)All this tells me is when the game is on the line or close Cam doesn't come through. But when his team is far behind he loads up his stats.

Carolina has only been "far behind" in one game this season. The only games other times that they lost by more than a touchdown or so was in games where late TD's were scored by the other teams.You obviously haven't been watching the games if you think that Newton is just late game stat loading.

Numbers don't lie, homers do

If numbers don't lie, then the argument is super easy. Newton has more total touchdowns, passing yards, and rushing yards, while Andy Dalton is putting up numbers very similar to Joe Flacco. Numbers don't lie, right?My point was that you were talking about Newton padding his stats when the Panthers were trailing by a lot of points, and the simple fact is that that only represents a VERY small portion of this season. Other than a blowout loss to the Titans, the Panthers largest margin of loss is 14 points...and they lead in the fourth quarter in both of those games before the defense allowed big plays to hand them losses.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

cam newton is having the greatest rookie year of all time and it may not even be the greatest of this season.

Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson laugh at your post

Randy Moss rookie year might be better than Cam's. ADP's isn't even close and might not even be top 5 for his position.

1609 total yards at 6.2 yards per touch, 5.6 yards per carry with 13 touchdowns in only 14 games played. Add in that he set the single game rushing record 296 yards versus a solid SD team.

Which is a totally fantastic season. But still not in the top 5 for rookie RBs, and likely not better than how Cam's year ends up.

He's 18th in passer rating, why is his year anything special?Oh wait I know because everyone on here doesn't think of REAL football, just FF.BTW I own Cam Newton in a dynasty league.

 

[jonboltz]

cam newton is having the greatest rookie year of all time and it may not even be the greatest of this season.

Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson laugh at your post

Randy Moss rookie year might be better than Cam's. ADP's isn't even close and might not even be top 5 for his position.

1609 total yards at 6.2 yards per touch, 5.6 yards per carry with 13 touchdowns in only 14 games played. Add in that he set the single game rushing record 296 yards versus a solid SD team.

Which is a totally fantastic season. But still not in the top 5 for rookie RBs, and likely not better than how Cam's year ends up.

He's 18th in passer rating, why is his year anything special?Oh wait I know because everyone on here doesn't think of REAL football, just FF.BTW I own Cam Newton in a dynasty league.

Passer rating doesn't use rushing yards and TDs. While these are strong fantasy stats, they also count in real life football as well just the same. He is going to eclipse 4000 yards passing (shattering the old rookie record), and likely have close to 30 combined TDs.

 

[HittinHard]

Cam Newton gets my vote ,been impressed with his play.

 

[ldizzle]

Cam Newton stat splits from ESPN:4th quarter when between down 7 or up 7: 50.7% with a 70.2 QB ratingLast 2 minutes of the half: 73.6 QB ratingQB Rating by quarter:1st=92.62nd=80.23rd=76.44th=76.1By winning between 15 to 21 points: 73.9%, 8.65 Yards per comp, 0 sacks, 1 TD, 0 INT, 114.2 QB RatingBy winning between 1 to 7 points: 59.4%, 6.55 Yards per comp, 8 sacks, 1 TD, 2 INT, 71.0 QB RatingBy losing between 1 to 7 points: 55.6%, 8.41 Yards per comp, 6 sacks, 4 TD, 6 INT, 74.6 QB RatingBy losing between 15 to 21 points: 69.8%, 9.94 Yards per comp, 1 sack, 2 TD, 2 INT, 98.6 QB Rating(can you say garbage time stat loading!)All this tells me is when the game is on the line or close Cam doesn't come through. But when his team is far behind he loads up his stats.

Carolina has only been "far behind" in one game this season. The only games other times that they lost by more than a touchdown or so was in games where late TD's were scored by the other teams.You obviously haven't been watching the games if you think that Newton is just late game stat loading.

Numbers don't lie, homers do

This is coming from someone named "benson_will_lead_the_way" unless your a bears fan

 

[Luke Skywalker]

olsen helps a lot. so does shockey. lafell and naanee are aids. still, dalton has a ton better weapons than cam.

How so? I don't see it. The Panthers' RB's are vastly superior to the crap the Bengals have. Gresham is good but he's not as good as Olsen. I'll give you Simpson over Lafell and Caldwell over Naane but that's closer than you think. And obviously Steve Smith is better than any rookie, even one as good as Green.At worst, it's a draw.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Cam Newton stat splits from ESPN:4th quarter when between down 7 or up 7: 50.7% with a 70.2 QB ratingLast 2 minutes of the half: 73.6 QB ratingQB Rating by quarter:1st=92.62nd=80.23rd=76.44th=76.1By winning between 15 to 21 points: 73.9%, 8.65 Yards per comp, 0 sacks, 1 TD, 0 INT, 114.2 QB RatingBy winning between 1 to 7 points: 59.4%, 6.55 Yards per comp, 8 sacks, 1 TD, 2 INT, 71.0 QB RatingBy losing between 1 to 7 points: 55.6%, 8.41 Yards per comp, 6 sacks, 4 TD, 6 INT, 74.6 QB RatingBy losing between 15 to 21 points: 69.8%, 9.94 Yards per comp, 1 sack, 2 TD, 2 INT, 98.6 QB Rating(can you say garbage time stat loading!)All this tells me is when the game is on the line or close Cam doesn't come through. But when his team is far behind he loads up his stats.

Carolina has only been "far behind" in one game this season. The only games other times that they lost by more than a touchdown or so was in games where late TD's were scored by the other teams.You obviously haven't been watching the games if you think that Newton is just late game stat loading.

Numbers don't lie, homers do

This is coming from someone named "benson_will_lead_the_way" unless your a bears fan

You're clearly new to FBGs, i'm a Bears fan yo

 

[FUBAR]

olsen helps a lot. so does shockey. lafell and naanee are aids. still, dalton has a ton better weapons than cam.

How so? I don't see it. The Panthers' RB's are vastly superior to the crap the Bengals have. Gresham is good but he's not as good as Olsen. I'll give you Simpson over Lafell and Caldwell over Naane but that's closer than you think. And obviously Steve Smith is better than any rookie, even one as good as Green.At worst, it's a draw.

That's where we disagree, I'll take Gresham over Olsen fairly easily. Olsen has talent but hasn't really put it together yet.

 

[cvnpoka]

olsen helps a lot. so does shockey. lafell and naanee are aids. still, dalton has a ton better weapons than cam.

How so? I don't see it. The Panthers' RB's are vastly superior to the crap the Bengals have. Gresham is good but he's not as good as Olsen. I'll give you Simpson over Lafell and Caldwell over Naane but that's closer than you think. And obviously Steve Smith is better than any rookie, even one as good as Green.At worst, it's a draw.

gresham vs olsen and green vs smith is pretty much a wash. but having legit no2 and 3 wr is hugely beneficial. hell, even the hawkins kid has flashed some ability.also, lol at this benson leads guy using passer rating as a telling stat.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

olsen helps a lot. so does shockey. lafell and naanee are aids. still, dalton has a ton better weapons than cam.

How so? I don't see it. The Panthers' RB's are vastly superior to the crap the Bengals have. Gresham is good but he's not as good as Olsen. I'll give you Simpson over Lafell and Caldwell over Naane but that's closer than you think. And obviously Steve Smith is better than any rookie, even one as good as Green.At worst, it's a draw.

gresham vs olsen and green vs smith is pretty much a wash. but having legit no2 and 3 wr is hugely beneficial. hell, even the hawkins kid has flashed some ability.also, lol at this benson leads guy using passer rating as a telling stat.

Smith>>GreenLaFell has developed in year 2 as well.Also, Jstew/Dwill are much better receiving RBs than Benson/Scott/Leonard. They can do much more after the catch as well.You think we should just get rid of passer rating then?

 

[cvnpoka]

yes i think passer rating is completely useless.

Smith>>Green

this is just absurd. only wr >> green are calvin, fitz and aj. ofc, those guys are also >> smith.

 

[yellowdog]

I've heard two people(Schein and Gannon), who actually get to vote for the award, say they would vote for Dalton right now.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

yes i think passer rating is completely useless.

Smith>>Green

this is just absurd. only wr >> green are calvin, fitz and aj. ofc, those guys are also >> smith.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=625913So far it's 6-0 Smith is better. 2 by a little, 2 by a lot, 2 by a mile

 

[cvnpoka]

yes i think passer rating is completely useless.

Smith>>Green

this is just absurd. only wr >> green are calvin, fitz and aj. ofc, those guys are also >> smith.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=625913So far it's 6-0 Smith is better. 2 by a little, 2 by a lot, 2 by a mile

so far cam by a milehttp://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=625592&st=0

 

[sharptongued1]

Cam Newton stat splits from ESPN:4th quarter when between down 7 or up 7: 50.7% with a 70.2 QB ratingLast 2 minutes of the half: 73.6 QB ratingQB Rating by quarter:1st=92.62nd=80.23rd=76.44th=76.1By winning between 15 to 21 points: 73.9%, 8.65 Yards per comp, 0 sacks, 1 TD, 0 INT, 114.2 QB RatingBy winning between 1 to 7 points: 59.4%, 6.55 Yards per comp, 8 sacks, 1 TD, 2 INT, 71.0 QB RatingBy losing between 1 to 7 points: 55.6%, 8.41 Yards per comp, 6 sacks, 4 TD, 6 INT, 74.6 QB RatingBy losing between 15 to 21 points: 69.8%, 9.94 Yards per comp, 1 sack, 2 TD, 2 INT, 98.6 QB Rating(can you say garbage time stat loading!)All this tells me is when the game is on the line or close Cam doesn't come through. But when his team is far behind he loads up his stats.

Carolina has only been "far behind" in one game this season. The only games other times that they lost by more than a touchdown or so was in games where late TD's were scored by the other teams.You obviously haven't been watching the games if you think that Newton is just late game stat loading.

Numbers don't lie, homers do

If numbers don't lie, then the argument is super easy. Newton has more total touchdowns, passing yards, and rushing yards, while Andy Dalton is putting up numbers very similar to Joe Flacco. Numbers don't lie, right?My point was that you were talking about Newton padding his stats when the Panthers were trailing by a lot of points, and the simple fact is that that only represents a VERY small portion of this season. Other than a blowout loss to the Titans, the Panthers largest margin of loss is 14 points...and they lead in the fourth quarter in both of those games before the defense allowed big plays to hand them losses.

Uhh, Newton had a bunch of junk time yards against the Packers this year. Even though he started out hot (somewhere around 150 yards in the 1st quarter), he completely crapped the bed in the 2nd and 3rd quarters (three or four picks, can't remember) when the Packers were rolling up points. Then when the game was out of hand in the 4th, he got a bunch of junk yardage. Not all 400 yard passing games are created equal.

 

[sharptongued1]

cam newton is having the greatest rookie year of all time and it may not even be the greatest of this season.

Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson laugh at your post

Randy Moss rookie year might be better than Cam's. ADP's isn't even close and might not even be top 5 for his position.

1609 total yards at 6.2 yards per touch, 5.6 yards per carry with 13 touchdowns in only 14 games played. Add in that he set the single game rushing record 296 yards versus a solid SD team.

Which is a totally fantastic season. But still not in the top 5 for rookie RBs, and likely not better than how Cam's year ends up.

He's 18th in passer rating, why is his year anything special?Oh wait I know because everyone on here doesn't think of REAL football, just FF.BTW I own Cam Newton in a dynasty league.

Quick name all the rookie quarterbacks in NFL history to throw for 4000 yards? I'm sure it's noticeably shorter than the list of rookie quarterbacks in NFL history to win 9 games.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

It's Newton. He's a liar, thief, cheat and tool, but he gets the award. He deserves it. I despise the guy, but he's shown he's the offensive rookie of the year.

 

[Zeff]

It's probably Newtwon. A lot of people trying to distinguish between "real" football and FF, but awards are pretty often just stat-based things anyway. No matter how you slice it, Newton has been a stat-compiling beast. He's a terrible real-life QB, and because he's a fascinating stat-story, Carolina's going to be stuck with him -- and therefore they'll stink -- for years. But he unreservedly gets this award.

 

[solorca]

Cam Newton stat splits from ESPN:4th quarter when between down 7 or up 7: 50.7% with a 70.2 QB ratingLast 2 minutes of the half: 73.6 QB ratingQB Rating by quarter:1st=92.62nd=80.23rd=76.44th=76.1By winning between 15 to 21 points: 73.9%, 8.65 Yards per comp, 0 sacks, 1 TD, 0 INT, 114.2 QB RatingBy winning between 1 to 7 points: 59.4%, 6.55 Yards per comp, 8 sacks, 1 TD, 2 INT, 71.0 QB RatingBy losing between 1 to 7 points: 55.6%, 8.41 Yards per comp, 6 sacks, 4 TD, 6 INT, 74.6 QB RatingBy losing between 15 to 21 points: 69.8%, 9.94 Yards per comp, 1 sack, 2 TD, 2 INT, 98.6 QB Rating(can you say garbage time stat loading!)All this tells me is when the game is on the line or close Cam doesn't come through. But when his team is far behind he loads up his stats.

Carolina has only been "far behind" in one game this season. The only games other times that they lost by more than a touchdown or so was in games where late TD's were scored by the other teams.You obviously haven't been watching the games if you think that Newton is just late game stat loading.

Numbers don't lie, homers do

If numbers don't lie, then the argument is super easy. Newton has more total touchdowns, passing yards, and rushing yards, while Andy Dalton is putting up numbers very similar to Joe Flacco. Numbers don't lie, right?My point was that you were talking about Newton padding his stats when the Panthers were trailing by a lot of points, and the simple fact is that that only represents a VERY small portion of this season. Other than a blowout loss to the Titans, the Panthers largest margin of loss is 14 points...and they lead in the fourth quarter in both of those games before the defense allowed big plays to hand them losses.

Uhh, Newton had a bunch of junk time yards against the Packers this year. Even though he started out hot (somewhere around 150 yards in the 1st quarter), he completely crapped the bed in the 2nd and 3rd quarters (three or four picks, can't remember) when the Packers were rolling up points. Then when the game was out of hand in the 4th, he got a bunch of junk yardage. Not all 400 yard passing games are created equal.

The score was 23-16 Green Bay with three minutes left in the game. Carolina was trailing, but it certainly wasn't junk time. Unless you want to consider anytime a team is behind as "junk time"...and if that is the case, there are a ton of NFL quarterbacks who pad their stats with junk time. Regardless, you're talking about a very small percentage of his stats.

 

[solorca]

cam newton is having the greatest rookie year of all time and it may not even be the greatest of this season.

Randy Moss and Adrian Peterson laugh at your post

Randy Moss rookie year might be better than Cam's. ADP's isn't even close and might not even be top 5 for his position.

1609 total yards at 6.2 yards per touch, 5.6 yards per carry with 13 touchdowns in only 14 games played. Add in that he set the single game rushing record 296 yards versus a solid SD team.

Which is a totally fantastic season. But still not in the top 5 for rookie RBs, and likely not better than how Cam's year ends up.

He's 18th in passer rating, why is his year anything special?Oh wait I know because everyone on here doesn't think of REAL football, just FF.BTW I own Cam Newton in a dynasty league.

Quick name all the rookie quarterbacks in NFL history to throw for 4000 yards? I'm sure it's noticeably shorter than the list of rookie quarterbacks in NFL history to win 9 games.

Yup, and that doesn't even include the fact that he's getting ready to set the NFL record to QB rushing touchdowns. NFL, not rookie.His passing performance along is enough to make him a solid choice for ROY. Add in the rushing performance and it's quite clear.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Kyle Orton went 10-5 as a rookie.

 

[jonboltz]

This is pretty much over now.

 

[biggamer3]

Where are all the haters?

 

[NCCommish]

It's probably Newtwon. A lot of people trying to distinguish between "real" football and FF, but awards are pretty often just stat-based things anyway. No matter how you slice it, Newton has been a stat-compiling beast. He's a terrible real-life QB, and because he's a fascinating stat-story, Carolina's going to be stuck with him -- and therefore they'll stink -- for years. But he unreservedly gets this award.

He is not even close to a terrible real life QB. He is currently on pace to destroy Peyton Manning's rookie record season in passing yards. And he is slightly behind Manning's interception pace. His current QB rating is 82.4. And in the real world he is the number 15 QB overall leading the number 5 offense. Not bad for a rookie.

 

[jonboltz]

Holiday update: With all due respect to the great seasons that the rookies in Cinci has put up to make them a playoff contender, I believe that over the past several weeks, those that were looking elsewhere for the award have probably come back to Newton. This one should really be unanimous.

 

[Pnishthm]

Holiday update: With all due respect to the great seasons that the rookies in Cinci has put up to make them a playoff contender, I believe that over the past several weeks, those that were looking elsewhere for the award have probably come back to Newton. This one should really be unanimous.

 

[QuizGuy66]

No.



:whodey:



-QG (yeah I know Newton is gonna win and yeah he's an extremely worthy ROY)

 

[QuizGuy66]

For fun let's look at the 5 games Dalton and Newton have had against common opponents (Jax, Ten, Indy, Hou, Ariz). I will add that Dalton did, on average face these teams slightly later than Newton did.

Anyway:

Newton:

98/161 1149 yards 5 TD 2 INT 87.7 QB Rating

38 rush 208 yards 2 TD 0 fumbles

3 wins 2 losses

Dalton:

102/163 1003 yards 9 TD 1 INT 95.7 QB Rating

11 rush 53 yards 0 TD 1 fumble

4 wins 1 loss

Pretty close comparison when you look at common games.

-QG

 

[kinghill]

Holiday update: With all due respect to the great seasons that the rookies in Cinci has put up to make them a playoff contender, I believe that over the past several weeks, those that were looking elsewhere for the award have probably come back to Newton. This one should really be unanimous.

Should've been unanimous about mid-way through week 1's game.