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***OFFICIAL*** 2012 MINNESOTA VIKINGS SEASON THREAD (1 Viewer)
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No (If Ponder is healthy he starts) and Yesserious question here.. IF Webb does pull off awin over the Pack..
Does he start next week at Atlanta, and better yet, does it change the outlook for the starting QB next year?
Herb
Footballguy
No for both. Unless Webb has drastically improved as a passer this year, he's really just a great stop gap relief pitcher. In a one-game situation, he's awesome, beyond that, sketchy at best.But, since no one has seen him throw this year other than the Viking staff, maybe he has made a bunch of progress this season and shocks the world (but not me) by beating the Pack.serious question here.. IF Webb does pull off a
Does he start next week at Atlanta, and better yet, does it change the outlook for the starting QB next year?
Talked to a huge GB fan friend of mine today, and he confirmed that if the Vikes win, the fans will want to burn down Lambeau. The GB fan fallout would be almost as delicious as the Viking win.
SKOL!
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Just adding to this that the ownership is a big part of the positive change for this team as well. I think using refs during practice has really helped the team play more disciplined as well. Next year maybe every team decides to do this. IIRC about half of the teams did this season.http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/04/3168307/griffen-puts-the-energy-in-vikings.htmlI think having coaches like Frazier and Singletary is very helpful for players like Griffen and Cook. They set a great example and are good teachers of life, not just football.With Robinson healthier this week I think the Packers are going to have even more problems on their right side with him and Griffen rotating. Griffen dominated their RT and there has been talk about possible changes in protection scheme focused on limiting that. But if they need to use extra blockers to protect the right side that means less players to cover and that means less help against Jared Allen. The pass rush has been critical to stopping Rodgers in the past. I think the Vikings have the players to get that done. How the Vikings defend the 4 WR sets are going to be perhaps the toughest challenge but the defense can get to Rodgers with 4.Griffen puts the energy in Vikings' defense BY CHIP SCOGGINSSTAR TRIBUNE (MINNEAPOLIS)Everson Griffen's voice trailed off in mid-sentence into silence. And then he smiled.He misses his mom, he said. Sabrina Scott's unexpected death in October while in town visiting her son remains as painful now as that horrible day. He takes solace in knowing that she would have loved his "Sack Daddy" celebration, which he dedicates to her. And he knows she would have been proud of him."I always talk to her," Griffen said. "I feel her all the time with me."Inspired by his mother's death, Griffen has energized the Vikings' defense as a pass-rushing specialist. His late-season charge culminated with a three-sack performance against the Green Bay Packers last week that helped set up Saturday night's rematch at Lambeau Field."A game like that gives you more confidence, gives you more attitude and a little bit more swagger," he said.Not that Griffen has ever lacked confidence, attitude or swagger. Just the opposite.Griffen played the part of problem child as an NFL rookie, becoming a bigger distraction than any fourth-round pick ever should be. He barely made a ripple with his play, and off the field, he registered two separate arrests in the same weekend and conceived an ill-advised Las Vegas Super Bowl party that he ultimately canceled because of the negative publicity it received.Freakishly athletic for a defensive lineman, Griffen also was undeniably immature, and his football career seemed destined to flame out before he had a chance to realize his true potential. His actions tested the team's patience and necessitated a few stern lectures from his head coach."We had a lot of talks," Leslie Frazier said. "A lot of talks, a lot of conversations."Griffen rewarded the Vikings' loyalty by becoming a positive story. Now in his third season, he has amended his standing inside the organization by projecting a more professional approach to his job. He is still as hyper as a sugar rush, but he seems to accept his responsibilities better now."He's a great example for other young players that come into the league because there are some traps if you're not careful with how you deal with certain things," Frazier said. "This is not a college atmosphere. We still have to continue to work in a lot of areas but he has made drastic improvements."His mother's death and the upcoming birth of his son - Grayson Scott, due Jan. 27 - lent new perspective on life. Sabrina Scott died while her son was at Winter Park. She was 52. Police officers broke the news to Griffen in Frazier's office. The cause of death was coronary artery dissection, Griffen said."It's hard every single day," he said. "But she's happy and smiling down. She couldn't be happier with what I'm doing and my progress and how I'm maturing and everything that's going on in my life right now."Griffen credits his mother for helping him navigate his rocky 2010 rookie season. His career was headed down the wrong path after a pair of arrests in January 2011 - one alcohol-related, the other for fleeing police during a traffic stop that ended with him being tased. Griffen refers to them as "mishaps," but he didn't exactly endear himself to his employer."My mom was my rock," he said. "I went to her for anything and she always had my back. My biggest thing was staying focused and that's what I'm showing now. That I can be that guy that they can count on and be a leader on this team one day. My past is behind me."His future looks promising. Despite playing a part-time role, Griffen finished third on the team in sacks (eight), second in quarterback hurries (25) and third in tackles for loss (10). He also returned an interception 29 yards for a touchdown against St. Louis last month.Not many NFL players can match Griffen's unique skill set. He has played defensive end, defensive tackle and linebacker this season. He weighs 273 pounds, runs like a safety and is probably one of only a few defensive linemen in NFL history who has manned the gunner role on the punt team."Whatever they have me do," he said, "I can handle it."That's the dilemma for the coaching staff. Defensive coordinator Alan Williams wants to maximize Griffen's explosive burst without compromising his effectiveness. Williams said coaches monitor Griffen's snaps - or "pitch count" - to prevent diminishing returns."We have to be careful that we don't do too many things with him and water down what he does best," Williams said. "And what he does best is get off the ball and get after the quarterback."The Vikings hope Griffen gets after Aaron Rodgers in the same manner he did last week. Even more, they hope Griffen continues on this same course. He's even talking about becoming a locker room leader some day, a scenario that seemed laughable two years agnly one person can prevent that from happening.
Beo
Footballguy
Um.....yeah.....so.....who is the Qb we go after in Free Agency or the draft to play backup next year because I never want to see Joe Webb there again. He made Tim Tebow look like the 2nd coming of Steve Young! Spare me the "he brings something different to the table" talk because he is horrible. If he is so fast and such a playmaker then we need WR's and he already has a WR approved number so there you are Mr Webb practice your route running starting tomorrow. This dude played the game of his life last year at Washington to win us a meaningless game at the end of the year costing us the 2nd pick of the draft and then cost us this playoff game. Thanks Joe!
Maelstrom
Footballguy
It's one thing to switch Webb's position coming out of the draft (heck, I believe they told him he was being drafted as a WR) but not sure they really have that shot now. Sure, they could do it, but is he going to go along? Can he even catch or run routes? Don't get me wrong, this should spell the end of Webb's QB career, but I'm guessing it won't be in Minn at a different position. What's his contract status look like?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am not sure but he is not a free agent next season as far as I know.I think Webb could possibly be a good QB a few years from now if he keeps working at it. His main job seems to be as more of a cheerleader than a guy the Vikings would want starting on a consistent basis however. Not sure if they make a change or not. Depends somewhat on how Bethel Thompson is coming along as well.
Herb
Footballguy
Sheesh, that was ugly, but after watching that and only losing by 14, I have a lot of hope. There are certainly some areas that need some work (QB, WR, CB, LB) I have hope for the future. It was a really fun season, ADP is the greatest RB I'vbe ever seen, (all due respect to Barry Sanders) and I'm once again happy to be a Viking fan. It's been a while. SKOL to all you other Viking fans, who's starting the offseason thread?
snogger
Footballguy
If someone hadn't replied to my post I'd go back and delete it.. as it stands 
I can't believe how HORRIBLE Webb is as a QB. How the hell does he continue to be employed as a backup QB
They need to draft a QB this year if for nothing else to replace the horrid backup QB's they have. Maybe we get lucky and find the next Wilson
Not sure what to do with Ponder.. he had SO many bad games this year I'm just not sure he is a NFL Starting QB. Maybe the last month showed he is learning.. But not sure I want to go into next season wondering if he is going to step up, or be the same.
Webb either agrees to become a rb/wr or we let him go, he is not a backup QB.
I can only hope Frazier and the rest of the staff open their eyes and realize whomever is QB needs a legitimate #1 WR to target.
With Harvin's contract on it's last year I wouldn't mind shopping him around and then make a play in the free agency for Jennings, Wallace, Bowe, Danny Amendola, ????
Need to look at LB's and the CB/Safeties both in Free agency and the Draft. Harrison Smith is going to be a great Safety for many years to come, need to build around him.
Plenty of good good free agents to go after this yea, both on Offense and Defense "]Free agency List hopefully they make some good moves this year and not "project" moves.
all in all, considering that most thought a 7 win season was a dream, it was one hell of a season and looking forward to them building on that.
I can't believe how HORRIBLE Webb is as a QB. How the hell does he continue to be employed as a backup QB
They need to draft a QB this year if for nothing else to replace the horrid backup QB's they have. Maybe we get lucky and find the next Wilson
Not sure what to do with Ponder.. he had SO many bad games this year I'm just not sure he is a NFL Starting QB. Maybe the last month showed he is learning.. But not sure I want to go into next season wondering if he is going to step up, or be the same.
Webb either agrees to become a rb/wr or we let him go, he is not a backup QB.
I can only hope Frazier and the rest of the staff open their eyes and realize whomever is QB needs a legitimate #1 WR to target.
With Harvin's contract on it's last year I wouldn't mind shopping him around and then make a play in the free agency for Jennings, Wallace, Bowe, Danny Amendola, ????
Need to look at LB's and the CB/Safeties both in Free agency and the Draft. Harrison Smith is going to be a great Safety for many years to come, need to build around him.
Plenty of good good free agents to go after this yea, both on Offense and Defense "]Free agency List hopefully they make some good moves this year and not "project" moves.
all in all, considering that most thought a 7 win season was a dream, it was one hell of a season and looking forward to them building on that.
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snogger
Footballguy
Signed through next year As a RB/WR his cap hit is worth taking the gamble (598k).
Heck, he can play RB/WR and list him as the #3 QB if you want, but they can't go into next season as him being the #2 guy.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
I have a lot of hope for the future, I think they'll be back next year as well and contending. Definitely need some help, but the lines are pretty solid, it is nice that they need help at the "skill" positions basically. I'm hoping another offseason will help Ponder step up his game, remember due to the strike this year was his first full off-season, I believe. I would caution reading a lot into it only being a 14 point deficit against GB - they let off the pedal after it was 24-3. The Viking hadn't shown they had the possibility of putting up 3 TDs, so they were content to work the clock down and weren't worried about the scoreboard at that point.'Herb said:
jason12vb
Footballguy
This was exactly how he looked in pre-season...skipping balls to players on medium routes, overthrowing them by 5 yards on deep ones, one legged jump passes and off balanced throws. Before this season I was on the Webb bandwagon and thought he at least should be given a shot to compete for the job, he might have been high on passes here and there, but he had a great arm and got the ball there fast. He's regressed so much as a QB I can't help but wonder if it's Musgrave as a QB coach and the mechanics he's trying to instill in both he and Ponder.'mr roboto said:
Herb
Footballguy
A couple of questions/ observations for those of you that follow the personnel side more closely than I do:What are the thoughts on resigning Loadholt? I wonder if his play this season was a result of his contract status and if he might not have a little McKinnie in him. I'm sure he'll command a massive salary- is he worth it?Next, any chance the Vikes can get their hands on Teo or a similar MLB to anchor the cover 2? Seems like a dominant MLB is a large hole in this defense and would especially help against teams like GB that pick us apart in the middle portion of the field when guys like Henderson are in.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Vikings have the 23rd pick in the draft and it could be a good spot to get another CB. They can not rely on Winnfield forever. Cook is alright but he made huge errors in both games. I don't think I can ever trust him to be a high character guy especially in the offseason. I actually like what I saw from AJ Jefferson. He seem to be in position on every throw but repeatedly failed to get his hands on the ball. Apparently AJ was benched during the Packers game but I hope it wasn't for this play. It is pretty much impossible to defend the pass when a receiver is blantantly pushing off. Josh Robison still has some work to do.
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The Kuhn
Footballguy
Cook actually had a strong first half to the season. Looking at the former secondary that is now mostly the Redskins secondary, I still think they're good enough. The main problem was when the offense completely stalled- vs. TB@home, the GB playoff game, @WAS earlier in the year. Wrapping up and tackling needs to improve, possibly more than actual coverage.'Donnybrook said:
Donnybrook
Footballguy
To be clear I not advocating replacing Cook but finding a successor to Winnfied. We obviously don't have enough depth if they are replacing him with Sherls who should be returning punts only. As always, the team needs to take the best player available and WR class looks to be even worse than last year. I am not in love with any of them (yet).
