**Official 2014 In Season Dynasty Trade Thread** (2 Viewers)

[Concept Coop]

Physically, Robinson's far superior to Lee. Bigger, stronger, and faster. He's a 21 year old who missed all of training camp and the preseason who's already looking better and picking things up quicker than Lee. He's doing far better than anyone could've realistically expected he'd do, and I also would turn down Crabtree and Wheaton for him. Of course, a case could be made for Crabtree over him by himself.

Bortles may or may not be good, but if there's a #1 WR on that roster, it's gotta be Robinson.

Lee is faster, quicker, a better athlete, and was picked higher by the same team.

Those 2 inches Robinson has on Lee meant a lot more 10 years ago than they do today. Brown, Cruz, Hilton, Wayne, Smith, Jackson, Garcon, Maclin, Harvin, etc. The NFL has made sure that if you can get open, you can make plays and be very productive. They protect the WR in route and after the catch. The game is played in space more often as well.

As for what Robinson is doing--aside from starting (due to injury)--how could he possibly be exceeding expectations? Did you expect 5 yards a target and no TDs? Someone has to catch the ball there.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Vereen

crabtree

wheaton

for

marvin jones

allen robinson

Alfred blue

I don't get this one. Seems like Robinson is being way over-valued and I like Robinson.

Passed up a similar trade offer (Robinson for Crabtree/Wheaton). IMO his long-term upside is higher than any of the players in the trade.

I think his long term upside is probably Crabtree (when healthy) which isn't a bad thing at all.

 

[Restricted]

Jamal Charles and M Wheaton

for

T Richardson and Megatron

Not PPR but bonuses at levels

 

[Concept Coop]

Jamal Charles and M Wheaton

for

T Richardson and Megatron

Not PPR but bonuses at levels

Megatron for me. Wheaton doesn't have much non-PPR value, so it puts the kicker on Calvin's side. Not that he needed it.

 

[cstu]

My concerns are that Crabtree may not be back in SF next year and he's looked pretty average since his Achilles.

 

[One More Rep]

Jamal Charles and M Wheaton

for

T Richardson and Megatron

Not PPR but bonuses at levels

Calvin

 

[Steelers4Life]

Physically, Robinson's far superior to Lee. Bigger, stronger, and faster. He's a 21 year old who missed all of training camp and the preseason who's already looking better and picking things up quicker than Lee. He's doing far better than anyone could've realistically expected he'd do, and I also would turn down Crabtree and Wheaton for him. Of course, a case could be made for Crabtree over him by himself.

Bortles may or may not be good, but if there's a #1 WR on that roster, it's gotta be Robinson.

Lee is faster, quicker, a better athlete, and was picked higher by the same team.

Those 2 inches Robinson has on Lee meant a lot more 10 years ago than they do today. Brown, Cruz, Hilton, Wayne, Smith, Jackson, Garcon, Maclin, Harvin, etc. The NFL has made sure that if you can get open, you can make plays and be very productive. They protect the WR in route and after the catch. The game is played in space more often as well.

As for what Robinson is doing--aside from starting (due to injury)--how could he possibly be exceeding expectations? Did you expect 5 yards a target and no TDs? Someone has to catch the ball there.

First, Robinson just turned 21. Lee will be 23 in a month. Lee was picked higher by the same team, but that stopped mattering the day after the draft. Just as Terrance West about how important draft position is.

They've had great things to say about Robinson and he's performed well for a rookie who had no preseason or training camp. Marqise Lee had both of those things and was disappointing to his coaches about how game-ready he was and how he picked things up.

It's 2 inches and 20 pounds. The fact that there's not much separating their short speed, long speed, or quickness despite their size differences tells me that Lee isn't a better athlete at all.

He got his opportunity because of injury. He's starting because he's performing better. Better than Hurns, and far better than Lee.

LOL why am I debating Allen Robinson here? Wasn't even my trade! Carry on

So yes, I'd say he's exceeding expectations. I don't expect anything from a 21 year old rookie in his situation. He hasn't scored, but that entire offense sucks right now.

 

[thriftyrocker]

My concerns are that Crabtree may not be back in SF next year and he's looked pretty average since his Achilles.

Not being back in SF is the only reason I keep much optimism in Crabtree. He is a "solid pro" who will stick in the league and do well with a lot of targets. Sort of like the guy who is squelching his value right now.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

This happened:

Murray with 1 year contract

For

Ivory and 2016 1st and 2017 1st

Team that sent Murray is rebuilding and likely wouldn't make the playoffs this year which Murray's contract ends this year.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

16t ppr

Cobb for Benjamin

Happened before Sunday games.

 

[Concept Coop]

First, Robinson just turned 21. Lee will be 23 in a month. Lee was picked higher by the same team, but that stopped mattering the day after the draft. Just as Terrance West about how important draft position is.

They've had great things to say about Robinson and he's performed well for a rookie who had no preseason or training camp. Marqise Lee had both of those things and was disappointing to his coaches about how game-ready he was and how he picked things up.

It's 2 inches and 20 pounds. The fact that there's not much separating their short speed, long speed, or quickness despite their size differences tells me that Lee isn't a better athlete at all.

He got his opportunity because of injury. He's starting because he's performing better. Better than Hurns, and far better than Lee.

LOL why am I debating Allen Robinson here? Wasn't even my trade! Carry on

So yes, I'd say he's exceeding expectations. I don't expect anything from a 21 year old rookie in his situation. He hasn't scored, but that entire offense sucks right now.

You make some good points. And maybe we should move on, but it's an interesting conversation and I'd like to respond.

Just watching the two, Lee is the better athlete to my eyes. I don't think his numbers did him jusitce--and looking at his draft profiles, a lot of people agree with me. Also, I personally think .08 over 40 yards is plenty significant.

Lee has been hurt, so it doesn't seem productive to compare their production. In Lee's only healthy game as a starter, his numbers are dead on with Robinson's.

The Robinson vs. Lee debate will sort itself out with time. I don't think either has done anything to suggest one is more likely than the other to be a #1 eventually, to this point. Robinson has jumped an UDFA rookie and I guess that's something. I don't think it's enough to come off our pre-season stance on him, but a lot seem to be, based on the raw numbers. I like Lee more because I liked him more in May.

 

[Concept Coop]

16t ppr

Cobb for Benjamin

Happened before Sunday games.

Very close for me. I've gone back and forth on these two, having been in trade talks--My Cobb for his KB. Today, I lean Cobb, gambling that he is re-signed, tagged, or lands in a good spot.

 

[One More Rep]

16t ppr

Cobb for Benjamin

Happened before Sunday games.

Cobb, very close

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

First, Robinson just turned 21. Lee will be 23 in a month. Lee was picked higher by the same team, but that stopped mattering the day after the draft. Just as Terrance West about how important draft position is.

They've had great things to say about Robinson and he's performed well for a rookie who had no preseason or training camp. Marqise Lee had both of those things and was disappointing to his coaches about how game-ready he was and how he picked things up.

It's 2 inches and 20 pounds. The fact that there's not much separating their short speed, long speed, or quickness despite their size differences tells me that Lee isn't a better athlete at all.

He got his opportunity because of injury. He's starting because he's performing better. Better than Hurns, and far better than Lee.

LOL why am I debating Allen Robinson here? Wasn't even my trade! Carry on

So yes, I'd say he's exceeding expectations. I don't expect anything from a 21 year old rookie in his situation. He hasn't scored, but that entire offense sucks right now.

You make some good points. And maybe we should move on, but it's an interesting conversation and I'd like to respond.

Just watching the two, Lee is the better athlete to my eyes. I don't think his numbers did him jusitce--and looking at his draft profiles, a lot of people agree with me. Also, I personally think .08 over 40 yards is plenty significant.

Lee has been hurt, so it doesn't seem productive to compare their production. In Lee's only healthy game as a starter, his numbers are dead on with Robinson's.

The Robinson vs. Lee debate will sort itself out with time. I don't think either has done anything to suggest one is more likely than the other to be a #1 eventually, to this point. Robinson has jumped an UDFA rookie and I guess that's something. I don't think it's enough to come off our pre-season stance on him, but a lot seem to be, based on the raw numbers. I like Lee more because I liked him more in May.

Lee is the better Talent by a decent margin.

Robinson has looked decent but Lee is the superior Athlete. Just about every Scout had it that way and so did the Team he is on now. Lee has been hurt but his time will come.

 

[maxhyde]

Vereen

crabtree

wheaton

for

marvin jones

allen robinson

Alfred blue

I don't get this one. Seems like Robinson is being way over-valued and I like Robinson.

I agree. His production is coming from volume he only got due to injury. He's putting up 6.75 yads per target. Seems a bit early to go all in.

He's the only #1 type receiver on a team with a potential young stud QB. He's also only 21.

Damn! I was offered Crabtree for Allen Robinson AND Latimer. Obviously I rejected it but I would probably accept this deal if offered.

I like Robinson fine but I think he and Crabtree are even enough that adding Wheaton and Vereen is enough to make me deal him.

 

[cstu]

Team A gets Doug Martin

Team B gets Lamar Miller and Branden Oliver

Is this selling too low too soon on Martin/over-reacting to Oliver's one big game??

Probably both.

Miller likely takes a backseat when Moreno gets back and Oliver is a role payer when Matthews returns. Martin hasn't looked great but I would still rather have Martin

In dynasty though both Miller and Oliver could be starters next year.

My only real concern with the trade is leaving value on the table since there's probably someone in the league still high on Martin.

We've been saying that about Miller for 3 years but you are right in that both could be starters next year. Miller should have been the starter the past 2 years imo. I just find it more likely Martin finds his form before that happens for either of the other guys so maybe I am that guy you were looking to pay a little more for Martin

Right now Oliver looks much better than Martin and is two years younger.

 

[maxhyde]

16 team tiered ppr (.25/.5/1) full IDP

year 1.5 of rebuild (2-4 lowest PF scored)

Gave: Branden Oliver

Got: 2016 1st

 

[One More Rep]

16 team tiered ppr (.25/.5/1) full IDP

year 1.5 of rebuild (2-4 lowest PF scored)

Gave: Branden Oliver

Got: 2016 1st

Nice deal

 

[cstu]

16 team tiered ppr (.25/.5/1) full IDP

year 1.5 of rebuild (2-4 lowest PF scored)

Gave: Branden Oliver

Got: 2016 1st

Nice deal

If I played in a start 2 RB 16 team league and had a pick I expected to be late in 2016 then I'd make it in a heartbeat.

 

[maxhyde]

16 team tiered ppr (.25/.5/1) full IDP

year 1.5 of rebuild (2-4 lowest PF scored)

Gave: Branden Oliver

Got: 2016 1st

Nice deal

If I played in a start 2 RB 16 team league and had a pick I expected to be late in 2016 then I'd make it in a heartbeat.

I agree. Start 1 RB but 2016 1st is about right for me if I needed some RB production today.

Rather buy Oliver than Bradshaw at that price anyway

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Just completed this trade, PPR deep rosters:

Gave 2016 first round pick and 2015 second round pick for Maclin/J Bell

Other team is rebuilding and I'm a middling team in playoff contention currently in 4th place.

 

[FUBAR]

This happened:

Murray with 1 year contract

For

Ivory and 2016 1st and 2017 1st

Team that sent Murray is rebuilding and likely wouldn't make the playoffs this year which Murray's contract ends this year.

We had a similar deal in our 32 team league, also where Murray is on a one year deal and his owner likely won't make the playoffs. Your deal is much better for the former Murray owner.

Murray for Vereen (also 1 year), Fortt (cheap 3 years), Woodyard (1 year), two 2nds and three 3rds

 

[FUBAR]

16t ppr

Cobb for Benjamin

Happened before Sunday games.

as a Cobb (and Cam) owner, I'd be reluctant but ultimately would probably do this if I opted to prioritize 2015 and beyond.

 

[Abrantes]

Team A gave:

Trent Richardson

2016 3rd round pick

Team B gave:

Peyton Manning

Vincent Jackson

2016 2nd round pick

Tested my laissez-faire approach of not vetoing trades.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Team A gave:

Trent Richardson

2016 3rd round pick

Team B gave:

Peyton Manning

Vincent Jackson

2016 2nd round pick

Tested my laissez-faire approach of not vetoing trades.

WTF?

 

[One More Rep]

12 Team PPR qb/rb/rb/wr/wr/wr/te/ flex-rb/wr/te

Team A Gives Carlos Hyde/Allen Robinson

Team B Gives Tre Mason/Travis Kelce

 

[Raiderfan32904]

12 Team PPR qb/rb/rb/wr/wr/wr/te/ flex-rb/wr/te

Team A Gives Carlos Hyde/Allen Robinson

Team B Gives Tre Mason/Travis Kelce

Give me team B side

 

[gchip]

Team A gave:

Trent Richardson

2016 3rd round pick

Team B gave:

Peyton Manning

Vincent Jackson

2016 2nd round pick

Tested my laissez-faire approach of not vetoing trades.

WTF?

I'm just gonna jump ahead to WFT x5. Put down the crazy pills son.

 

[steelers1080]

12 Team PPR qb/rb/rb/wr/wr/wr/te/ flex-rb/wr/te

Team A Gives Carlos Hyde/Allen Robinson

Team B Gives Tre Mason/Travis Kelce

Wow, this trade actually looks like a win for both sides. Assuming Team A needed a TE and Team B needed a WR. I really love Hyde's potential in SF but Mason has looked good in minimal work loads. Robinson is a good PPR play for now but we'll see when Lee/Robinson/Shorts/Lewis are all vying for passes. Kelce is a stud.

 

[cstu]

Team A gave:

Trent Richardson

2016 3rd round pick

Team B gave:

Peyton Manning

Vincent Jackson

2016 2nd round pick

Tested my laissez-faire approach of not vetoing trades.

Interesting, didn't know Trent's mother played FF.

 

[cstu]

12 Team PPR, start 1 RB

Team A gave up:

Crabtree, Michael SFO WR

Team B gave up:

Hill, Jeremy CIN RB

Seems like a lot of people are trying to bail on Crabtree.

 

[FUBAR]

12 Team PPR qb/rb/rb/wr/wr/wr/te/ flex-rb/wr/te

Team A Gives Carlos Hyde/Allen Robinson

Team B Gives Tre Mason/Travis Kelce

Wow, this trade actually looks like a win for both sides. Assuming Team A needed a TE and Team B needed a WR. I really love Hyde's potential in SF but Mason has looked good in minimal work loads. Robinson is a good PPR play for now but we'll see when Lee/Robinson/Shorts/Lewis are all vying for passes. Kelce is a stud.

Hyde >> Mason

I think Kelce >> Robinson, but we'll see.

seems pretty fair, really don't know which side I'd take in a vacuum.

 

[maxhyde]

12 Team PPR qb/rb/rb/wr/wr/wr/te/ flex-rb/wr/te

Team A Gives Carlos Hyde/Allen Robinson

Team B Gives Tre Mason/Travis Kelce

Wow, this trade actually looks like a win for both sides. Assuming Team A needed a TE and Team B needed a WR. I really love Hyde's potential in SF but Mason has looked good in minimal work loads. Robinson is a good PPR play for now but we'll see when Lee/Robinson/Shorts/Lewis are all vying for passes. Kelce is a stud.

Hyde >> Mason

I think Kelce >> Robinson, but we'll see.

seems pretty fair, really don't know which side I'd take in a vacuum.

I would take the Hyde/Robinson side. I have been trying to pick up Kelce everywhere I could but I think I'd gamble on the WR/RB combo here

 

[Jeremy]

Team A gave:

Trent Richardson

2016 3rd round pick

Team B gave:

Peyton Manning

Vincent Jackson

2016 2nd round pick

Tested my laissez-faire approach of not vetoing trades.

WTF?

I don't know...if you tweek it a little bit by taking Peyton Manning and Vincent Jackson out, I think you've got a fair deal here.

 

[ceejee]

12 Team PPR qb/rb/rb/wr/wr/wr/te/ flex-rb/wr/te

Team A Gives Carlos Hyde/Allen Robinson

Team B Gives Tre Mason/Travis Kelce

Great trade honestly, but I personally take Team A's side of things.

 

[One More Rep]

12 Team PPR qb/rb/rb/wr/wr/wr/te/ flex-rb/wr/te

Team A Gives Carlos Hyde/Allen Robinson

Team B Gives Tre Mason/Travis Kelce

Wow, this trade actually looks like a win for both sides. Assuming Team A needed a TE and Team B needed a WR. I really love Hyde's potential in SF but Mason has looked good in minimal work loads. Robinson is a good PPR play for now but we'll see when Lee/Robinson/Shorts/Lewis are all vying for passes. Kelce is a stud.

Yeah Team A needed a Tight End, Team B has JT so it looks like a win for both sides

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Team A gets Doug Martin

Team B gets Lamar Miller and Branden Oliver

Is this selling too low too soon on Martin/over-reacting to Oliver's one big game??

Probably both.

Miller likely takes a backseat when Moreno gets back and Oliver is a role payer when Matthews returns. Martin hasn't looked great but I would still rather have Martin

In dynasty though both Miller and Oliver could be starters next year.

My only real concern with the trade is leaving value on the table since there's probably someone in the league still high on Martin.

We've been saying that about Miller for 3 years but you are right in that both could be starters next year. Miller should have been the starter the past 2 years imo. I just find it more likely Martin finds his form before that happens for either of the other guys so maybe I am that guy you were looking to pay a little more for Martin

Right now Oliver looks much better than Martin and is two years younger.

Oliver is done when RM is back.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Team A gave:

Trent Richardson

2016 3rd round pick

Team B gave:

Peyton Manning

Vincent Jackson

2016 2nd round pick

Tested my laissez-faire approach of not vetoing trades.

WTF?

I don't know...if you tweek it a little bit by taking Peyton Manning and Vincent Jackson out, I think you've got a fair deal here.

Maybe Team B proposed it a year and a half ago and forgot to rescind it through the league software.

 

[The_Head_Ape]

Calvin Johnson

For

Branden Oliver

Pierre Garcon

 

[Concept Coop]

Calvin Johnson

For

Branden Oliver

Pierre Garcon

Awful.

 

[maxhyde]

Team A gave:

Trent Richardson

2016 3rd round pick

Team B gave:

Peyton Manning

Vincent Jackson

2016 2nd round pick

Tested my laissez-faire approach of not vetoing trades.

Calvin Johnson

For

Branden Oliver

Pierre Garcon

C'Mon MAN!!

Same response for both trades

 

[One More Rep]

Calvin Johnson

For

Branden Oliver

Pierre Garcon

Awful.

Yes it is. Wow

 

[cstu]

Right now Oliver looks much better than Martin and is two years younger.

Oliver is done when RM is back.

Regardless of what happens this year, I predict Oliver will have more fantasy points next year than Doug Martin.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Team A gets: Percy Harvin

Team B gets: a conditional mid-round pick

Team B is defending champion, but has started a bit slowly and is currently third in their own division and no lock to make the playoffs.

Team A has started 1-6, though they've been relatively productive and have been killed by some brutal early schedule luck.

 

[squistion]

Team A gets: Percy Harvin

Team B gets: a conditional mid-round pick

Team B is defending champion, but has started a bit slowly and is currently third in their own division and no lock to make the playoffs.

Team A has started 1-6, though they've been relatively productive and have been killed by some brutal early schedule luck.

PPR league?

 

[Adam Harstad]

Team A gets: Percy Harvin

Team B gets: a conditional mid-round pick

Team B is defending champion, but has started a bit slowly and is currently third in their own division and no lock to make the playoffs.

Team A has started 1-6, though they've been relatively productive and have been killed by some brutal early schedule luck.

PPR league?

Touchdowns only.

 

[r0llin_game]

Another Oliver trade

12 team PPR QRRWWTKF

Team A gives: Robert Griffin III, Branden Oliver

Team B gives: Jerick McKinnon, 2015 1st (currently 4-2, 1st in division)

 

[jonboltz]

rg3 not close.

 

[One More Rep]

Another Oliver trade

12 team PPR QRRWWTKF

Team A gives: Robert Griffin III, Branden Oliver

Team B gives: Jerick McKinnon, 2015 1st (currently 4-2, 1st in division)

I will take McKinnon and the 1st

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Team A gets: Percy Harvin

Team B gets: a conditional mid-round pick

Team B is defending champion, but has started a bit slowly and is currently third in their own division and no lock to make the playoffs.

Team A has started 1-6, though they've been relatively productive and have been killed by some brutal early schedule luck.

Harvin smash.