*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (2 Viewers)

[Tom Servo]

I posted this in the Penn State thread, but I thought I'd repost it here as it is also good information for fans of other teams.

Here's a list of transfers I've cobbled together (to the best of my knowledge):(JR) Silas Redd - RB to USC(JR) Anthony Fera - PK to Texas(JR) Rob Bolden - QB to LSU (no loss there)(JR) Khairi Fortt - LB to Cal(True FR) Jamil Pollard - DT to Rutgers(JR) Kevin Haplea - TE to Florida State(Redshirt FR) Ryan Nowicki - OL to Illinois(Redshirt FR) Tim Buckley - S to NC StateJustin Brown is thinking about transferring; his likely destination would be Oklahoma.

Ross Douglas transferred to Michigan.

Thanks. That information hasn't made it to my Penn State feed on Taptu yet.

 

[prefontaine]

on to more interesting topics, WR coach Aubrey Hill resigned at UF today. He's been implicated in the UM scandal and word is he got sent packing as a result of that investigation (he was UM's recruiting coordinator). Sounds like we're getting close to resolution on that case. Pretty late firing on UF's part. Wonder how that impacts them. Only a WR coach so probably not all that important but not the start to camp Muschamp probably had in mind.

 

[bentley]

on to more interesting topics, WR coach Aubrey Hill resigned at UF today. He's been implicated in the UM scandal and word is he got sent packing as a result of that investigation (he was UM's recruiting coordinator). Sounds like we're getting close to resolution on that case. Pretty late firing on UF's part. Wonder how that impacts them. Only a WR coach so probably not all that important but not the start to camp Muschamp probably had in mind.

I agree that it should be minimal. I think WR coach is a gig where its more important to be a good recruiter than a good coach.

 

[Slider6]

on to more interesting topics, WR coach Aubrey Hill resigned at UF today. He's been implicated in the UM scandal and word is he got sent packing as a result of that investigation (he was UM's recruiting coordinator). Sounds like we're getting close to resolution on that case. Pretty late firing on UF's part. Wonder how that impacts them. Only a WR coach so probably not all that important but not the start to camp Muschamp probably had in mind.

I agree that it should be minimal. I think WR coach is a gig where its more important to be a good recruiter than a good coach.

Biggest impact will be that he was their recruiting coordinator.He was not recruiting coordinator at Miami. That was Hurtt and/or Barrow if I remember correctly.

 

[gump]

I hate Southern Cal, so I am loathe to give them any credit, but which schools have recruited recently at a similar level?

I'm not able to look up all sites right now, but according to Scout, Southern Cal has 13 of their 18 commits ranked in the top 100 nationally with 6 five stars, 11 four stars and 1 three star (who is the #2 ranked C in the country). Their average star per commit is an astounding 4.28.

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Since 2003, only Florida in one year (2007) has recruited close to the level of recruit that Southern Cal has. Southern Cal is the only school to have had multiple seasons (or any seasons for that matter other than Florida) of an average star per recruit of 4 or above and they've done it six times since 2003.

I realize SEC schools have pulled in great recruiting classes, too, (as have Big 10, Big 12 and Pac-12 schools) but no school has brought in the average amount of 4 and 5 star talent (looking at star averages) that Southern Cal has since 2003.

Total 4 and 5 stars over the last 5 years: Alabama 90, Texas 80, USC 77. Back to my original point...if you are spreading as far as Oregon when looking at USC's 'local' competition....you have to include schools like Clemson, Miami, South Carolina in addition to LSU, UGA, Auburn, Florida, FSU, Tennessee, etc for Alabama.

Texas and USC have the natural insulaton of their home state hotbeds to help thru rough times. Florida has it to a smaller degree. Georgia and LSU to an even smaller degree. Alabama doesn't have it all.

Apples to oranges? How many of those guys actually enrolled?Total signees over the last 5 years: Alabama - 141 (32, 27, 29, 25, 28), Texas - 113 (20, 20, 25, 22, 26), Southern Cal - 102 (19, 18, 20, 30, 15).

As I said, in terms of the average quality of their recruits, Southern Cal is recruiting on a level that only they have done (six times) over the past 10 years.

Southern Cal does have the hotbeds of its homestate to help. Unfortunately, they haven't really needed it.

Yes....looking at 'average quality of their recruits '....USC is the best. But why is that the criteria used to say USC is recruiting better than anyone else?Kiffin is signing 15 now because he's forced to. When he wasn't limited....he signed 30 with a 3.47 star average on Rivals. Alabama signed 22 that year at an average of 3.91 stars. Alabama hasn't been limited to 15....so who knows what their 'average quality of recruits' would be in that situation. Or Texas....or LSU....etc.

And while we're discussing recruiting the last 5 years....how many kids from USC and Alabama have been drafted in the first 35 picks the last 2 drafts, which would encompass those classes? It 9-2 Alabama.

 

[gump]

But, on top of that, unlike Texas or Alabama or Florida or anyone else, Southern Cal is going across the country and plucking several guys that are four and five star kids that are being recruited by all of the big time schools.

C'mon man. 2 days ago the #1 recruit in CA for '14, Tyler Luatua, announced his top 2 schools were USC and Alabama.

 

[prefontaine]

on to more interesting topics, WR coach Aubrey Hill resigned at UF today. He's been implicated in the UM scandal and word is he got sent packing as a result of that investigation (he was UM's recruiting coordinator). Sounds like we're getting close to resolution on that case. Pretty late firing on UF's part. Wonder how that impacts them. Only a WR coach so probably not all that important but not the start to camp Muschamp probably had in mind.

I agree that it should be minimal. I think WR coach is a gig where its more important to be a good recruiter than a good coach.

Biggest impact will be that he was their recruiting coordinator.He was not recruiting coordinator at Miami. That was Hurtt and/or Barrow if I remember correctly.

I dunno. Looked him up on wiki and it says he was. Not sure how accurate that is though

 

[GDogg]

But, on top of that, unlike Texas or Alabama or Florida or anyone else, Southern Cal is going across the country and plucking several guys that are four and five star kids that are being recruited by all of the big time schools.

C'mon man. 2 days ago the #1 recruit in CA for '14, Tyler Luatua, announced his top 2 schools were USC and Alabama.

Well, if he actually signs with Alabama, then there's one.

 

[GDogg]

I hate Southern Cal, so I am loathe to give them any credit, but which schools have recruited recently at a similar level?

I'm not able to look up all sites right now, but according to Scout, Southern Cal has 13 of their 18 commits ranked in the top 100 nationally with 6 five stars, 11 four stars and 1 three star (who is the #2 ranked C in the country). Their average star per commit is an astounding 4.28.

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Since 2003, only Florida in one year (2007) has recruited close to the level of recruit that Southern Cal has. Southern Cal is the only school to have had multiple seasons (or any seasons for that matter other than Florida) of an average star per recruit of 4 or above and they've done it six times since 2003.

I realize SEC schools have pulled in great recruiting classes, too, (as have Big 10, Big 12 and Pac-12 schools) but no school has brought in the average amount of 4 and 5 star talent (looking at star averages) that Southern Cal has since 2003.

Total 4 and 5 stars over the last 5 years: Alabama 90, Texas 80, USC 77. Back to my original point...if you are spreading as far as Oregon when looking at USC's 'local' competition....you have to include schools like Clemson, Miami, South Carolina in addition to LSU, UGA, Auburn, Florida, FSU, Tennessee, etc for Alabama.

Texas and USC have the natural insulaton of their home state hotbeds to help thru rough times. Florida has it to a smaller degree. Georgia and LSU to an even smaller degree. Alabama doesn't have it all.

Apples to oranges? How many of those guys actually enrolled?Total signees over the last 5 years: Alabama - 141 (32, 27, 29, 25, 28), Texas - 113 (20, 20, 25, 22, 26), Southern Cal - 102 (19, 18, 20, 30, 15).

As I said, in terms of the average quality of their recruits, Southern Cal is recruiting on a level that only they have done (six times) over the past 10 years.

Southern Cal does have the hotbeds of its homestate to help. Unfortunately, they haven't really needed it.

Yes....looking at 'average quality of their recruits '....USC is the best. But why is that the criteria used to say USC is recruiting better than anyone else?Kiffin is signing 15 now because he's forced to. When he wasn't limited....he signed 30 with a 3.47 star average on Rivals. Alabama signed 22 that year at an average of 3.91 stars. Alabama hasn't been limited to 15....so who knows what their 'average quality of recruits' would be in that situation. Or Texas....or LSU....etc.

And while we're discussing recruiting the last 5 years....how many kids from USC and Alabama have been drafted in the first 35 picks the last 2 drafts, which would encompass those classes? It 9-2 Alabama.

I gave you the top average stars for the last 10 years. Southern Cal led the way with a 4+ average six times. The only year they were limited to 15 was the 2012 class.As to your last point, there's a big difference between recruiting and development. Trust me, I'm an expert on the lack of development topic in college football.

 

[gump]

G - yes Caroll dominated. So did Saban after that. Kiffin isn't.

I wonder how Kiff got that kid from Tennessee?

 

[gump]

But, on top of that, unlike Texas or Alabama or Florida or anyone else, Southern Cal is going across the country and plucking several guys that are four and five star kids that are being recruited by all of the big time schools.

C'mon man. 2 days ago the #1 recruit in CA for '14, Tyler Luatua, announced his top 2 schools were USC and Alabama.

Well, if he actually signs with Alabama, then there's one.

One what?

 

[bentley]

I remember this thread kinda being obnoxiously homeristic. Does that sound right?

Bentley family tailgate bus is current in the shop being repainted. The final product will be white with burnt orange stripes and burnt orange flames on the hood. Less than a month until the season starts and we crank it up.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Justin Brown is thinking about transferring; his likely destination would be Oklahoma.

I guess this is looking more probable. OU needs this guy with all their guys suspended.

 

[Christo]

Justin Brown is thinking about transferring; his likely destination would be Oklahoma.

I guess this is looking more probable. OU needs this guy with all their guys suspended.

Should be in Norman tomorrow.

 

[Christo]

Sooners dropping like flies

Oklahoma Football: Sooners Losing OL Tyler Evans to ACL Injury Is DevastatingCamp has been a series of misfortunes for Oklahoma so far. From the dismissal of Kameel Jackson to the loss of Will Latu to Arkansas State, the Sooners have faced their fair share of issues. That streak has not gotten any better.Head coach Bob Stoops confirmed that offensive guard Tyler Evans would be getting an MRI on Monday to determine just the extent of a potential knee injury. As Stoops told SportsIllustrated.com, "It may be a ligament. It may be cartilage. If it's cartilage, he gets a break—or we get a break. If it's not, then it could be bad. Until you get the MRI, you don't know."That MRI ultimately came back with the news Stoops and so many others were not hoping for. According to the Washington Post, the MRI revealed that Evans had torn his anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee. The news means Evans will be out for the season.“We feel badly for Tyler and will certainly encourage him through the surgery and rehab,” Stoops said. “Bronson Irwin has been playing well and we’re fortunate to have good depth. He’ll get a lot of reps in the preseason and we’ll be ready to go when the season gets here," Stoops told The Washington Post.While Stoops is staying positive with players such as Irwin, there is no denying the loss of Evans. After losing center Ben Habern recently to lingering neck and back issues, Evans had become the most experienced lineman with 29 career starts. The loss of both Habern and Evans now creates a giant void that needs to be filled.Originally touted as one of the stronger lines in the country, Oklahoma now faces a very thin group. Stoops still has a lot of confidence in his team but there is no denying that camp has gotten off to a rough start for the Sooners.It is now up to the young guns to prove what they're made of. After all, as James Patton, who coaches the guards and centers told The Washington Post, “It’s an opportunity for the next guy, whoever it is."

 

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ESPN the Mag's Rick Bragg explains history and traditions behind South's obsession with football:

http://m.espn.go.com/ncf/story?storyId=8240383

 

[The Commish]

Dumb

 

[Tiger Fan]

LSU to hold press conference @ noon. Rumor is honey badger did something stupid again and will get suspended

 

[Tiger Fan]

LSU to hold press conference @ noon. Rumor is honey badger did something stupid again and will get suspended

Les Miles announces that CB Tyrann Mathieu is no longer on the team for violating team policy

 

[madhatter]

LSU to hold press conference @ noon. Rumor is honey badger did something stupid again and will get suspended

Les Miles announces that CB Tyrann Mathieu is no longer on the team for violating team policy

Gone for good?

 

[ATC1]

LSU to hold press conference @ noon. Rumor is honey badger did something stupid again and will get suspended

Les Miles announces that CB Tyrann Mathieu is no longer on the team for violating team policy

Gone for good?

Yes, off the team. Les don't play.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Wow, dumb ###! Wow

 

[Tiger Fan]

LSU to hold press conference @ noon. Rumor is honey badger did something stupid again and will get suspended

Les Miles announces that CB Tyrann Mathieu is no longer on the team for violating team policy

Gone for good?

 

[ATC1]

LSU to hold press conference @ noon. Rumor is honey badger did something stupid again and will get suspended

Les Miles announces that CB Tyrann Mathieu is no longer on the team for violating team policy

Gone for good?

Honeybadger smokes what he wants. He don't care.

 

[madhatter]

LSU to hold press conference @ noon. Rumor is honey badger did something stupid again and will get suspended

Les Miles announces that CB Tyrann Mathieu is no longer on the team for violating team policy

Gone for good?

TigerDroppings is going to be fun this afternoon.

 

[Premier]

Maybe honeybadger should care a little more.

 

[Raider Nation]

How much is he gonna dominate at an FCS school.

 

[roadkill1292]

He could be a good candidate to challenge the NFL and its labor agreements in court. I would like this to happen, of course.

 

[Moe.]

cloudy piss or what? kicking him off the team entirely seems a little strong if it's just a failed drug test.

 

[ATC1]

cloudy piss or what? kicking him off the team entirely seems a little strong if it's just a failed drug test.

Speculation here, but this is his 2nd offense. Would be suspended the entire season. Mathieu threw a hissy and got kicked off. I like the message Les is sending here.

 

[BigJohn]

Dumb

Dumb that Kiffin lied or dumb that the paper revealed the normally conidential vote?

 

[Moe.]

cloudy piss or what? kicking him off the team entirely seems a little strong if it's just a failed drug test.

Speculation here, but this is his 2nd offense. Would be suspended the entire season. Mathieu threw a hissy and got kicked off. I like the message Les is sending here.

Yeah if it is NCAA mandated that he sit for a year I guess kicking him off makes sense. Crazy that he can't just not smoke.

 

[Tiger Fan]

cloudy piss or what? kicking him off the team entirely seems a little strong if it's just a failed drug test.

3rd failed test

 

[Moe.]

cloudy piss or what? kicking him off the team entirely seems a little strong if it's just a failed drug test.

3rd failed test

Yeah, saw that. Guess he likes marijuana more than playing college football.

 

[Clayton Gray]

cloudy piss or what? kicking him off the team entirely seems a little strong if it's just a failed drug test.

3rd failed test

Yeah, saw that. Guess he likes marijuana more than playing college football.

Hard to put yourself in their shoes, but these guys have been bullet proof since their middle school days. I imagine he never expected something this serious to happen.

 

[Slapdash]

cloudy piss or what? kicking him off the team entirely seems a little strong if it's just a failed drug test.

3rd failed test

Still seems silly.

 

[BigJohn]

cloudy piss or what? kicking him off the team entirely seems a little strong if it's just a failed drug test.

3rd failed test

Still seems silly.

Really? At what point do you think he should be punished?

 

[prefontaine]

cloudy piss or what? kicking him off the team entirely seems a little strong if it's just a failed drug test.

3rd failed test

Still seems silly.

Really? At what point do you think he should be punished?

think the point is this is for smoking weed. It's not performance enhancers. Who cares?

 

[roadkill1292]

cloudy piss or what? kicking him off the team entirely seems a little strong if it's just a failed drug test.

3rd failed test

Still seems silly.

Really? At what point do you think he should be punished?

I don't think he should be punished at all.

 

[BigJohn]

Not the point. If the team had a rule against wearing orange shirts on Tuesdays, and he broke the rule 3 times, then I have no sympathy for him. He knew what he was doing was against NCAA and team rules. He said '#### it' 3 times. #### him.

 

[roadkill1292]

Not the point. If the team had a rule against wearing orange shirts on Tuesdays, and he broke the rule 3 times, then I have no sympathy for him. He knew what he was doing was against NCAA and team rules. He said '#### it' 3 times. #### him.

I'd rather attack a dumb rule. That's more fun than beating on a kid who likes to get high.

 

[Moe.]

Not the point. If the team had a rule against wearing orange shirts on Tuesdays, and he broke the rule 3 times, then I have no sympathy for him. He knew what he was doing was against NCAA and team rules. He said '#### it' 3 times. #### him.

I'd rather attack a dumb rule. That's more fun than beating on a kid who likes to get high.

I agree with you, but it's the NCAA's dumb rule and there's no way he wasn't aware of it. You think after two positives he couldn't just not smoke for a few weeks so he can pee clean for the man? It's not like it takes a rocket scientist to pass a simple drug test, and they know when they are coming.

 

[BigJohn]

Not the point. If the team had a rule against wearing orange shirts on Tuesdays, and he broke the rule 3 times, then I have no sympathy for him. He knew what he was doing was against NCAA and team rules. He said '#### it' 3 times. #### him.

I'd rather attack a dumb rule. That's more fun than beating on a kid who likes to get high.

Have at it. I'd rather point the finger at the idiot that broke the same rule 3 times. I dont care if it's pot or not. He has no respect. Don't feel sorry for him at all. He's lucky he got 3 chances.

 

[roadkill1292]

Not the point. If the team had a rule against wearing orange shirts on Tuesdays, and he broke the rule 3 times, then I have no sympathy for him. He knew what he was doing was against NCAA and team rules. He said '#### it' 3 times. #### him.

I'd rather attack a dumb rule. That's more fun than beating on a kid who likes to get high.

I agree with you, but it's the NCAA's dumb rule and there's no way he wasn't aware of it. You think after two positives he couldn't just not smoke for a few weeks so he can pee clean for the man? It's not like it takes a rocket scientist to pass a simple drug test, and they know when they are coming.

I'm not sure I understand what we're arguing about.

 

[roadkill1292]

Not the point. If the team had a rule against wearing orange shirts on Tuesdays, and he broke the rule 3 times, then I have no sympathy for him. He knew what he was doing was against NCAA and team rules. He said '#### it' 3 times. #### him.

I'd rather attack a dumb rule. That's more fun than beating on a kid who likes to get high.

Have at it. I'd rather point the finger at the idiot that broke the same rule 3 times. I dont care if it's pot or not. He has no respect. Don't feel sorry for him at all. He's lucky he got 3 chances.

Is that what we're doing, pointing the finger? My finger remains permanently pointed at the NCAA and the guys who run big time football programs. I don't know where "respect" comes into the discussion but then I wouldn't.

 

[BigJohn]

Not the point. If the team had a rule against wearing orange shirts on Tuesdays, and he broke the rule 3 times, then I have no sympathy for him. He knew what he was doing was against NCAA and team rules. He said '#### it' 3 times. #### him.

I'd rather attack a dumb rule. That's more fun than beating on a kid who likes to get high.

Have at it. I'd rather point the finger at the idiot that broke the same rule 3 times. I dont care if it's pot or not. He has no respect. Don't feel sorry for him at all. He's lucky he got 3 chances.

Is that what we're doing, pointing the finger? My finger remains permanently pointed at the NCAA and the guys who run big time football programs. I don't know where "respect" comes into the discussion but then I wouldn't.

 

[Slapdash]

cloudy piss or what? kicking him off the team entirely seems a little strong if it's just a failed drug test.

3rd failed test

Still seems silly.

Really? At what point do you think he should be punished?

He shouldn't be.

 

[Christo]

cloudy piss or what? kicking him off the team entirely seems a little strong if it's just a failed drug test.

3rd failed test

Still seems silly.

Really? At what point do you think he should be punished?

He shouldn't be.

Why not? He broke a rule.Yes, I know. You don't like the rule. It's a stupid rule. I agree. But it's a rule. And Honey Badger knew it was a rule. So he's stupid for breaking it. No amount of stupidity on his part or on you part is going to change what's happened. So kwitcher#####in.

 

[The Commish]

Dumb

Dumb that Kiffin lied or dumb that the paper revealed the normally conidential vote?

That he lied.

 

[The Commish]

cloudy piss or what? kicking him off the team entirely seems a little strong if it's just a failed drug test.

3rd failed test

Still seems silly.

Really? At what point do you think he should be punished?

He shouldn't be.

Why not? He broke a rule.Yes, I know. You don't like the rule. It's a stupid rule. I agree. But it's a rule. And Honey Badger knew it was a rule. So he's stupid for breaking it. No amount of stupidity on his part or on you part is going to change what's happened. So kwitcher#####in.

Smoking pot's illegal. It's breaking a rule. More importantly it's breaking the law. We've already seen proof that the NCAA thinks it should be in the law abiding business. Why risk that kind of trouble if you can get rid of the problem?