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that sucks. I hope they spend more time developing the new trophy than they did coming up with "The College Football Playoff" because the crystal football is flat out awesome

 
I hope the people on the west coast are enjoying Mike Leach. One of the best interviews ever. Dude is hysterical

Travis Haney ‏@TravHaneyESPN 47m
I asked if other college coaches were working on historical nonfiction. Leach: "If they are, I hope we get our Geronimo book out first."

Travis Haney ‏@TravHaneyESPN 57m
I asked Leach about his contributing/editing of the Geronimo book. Fifteen minutes later, he had to go to do First Take.

Travis Haney ‏@TravHaneyESPN 59m
I caught Leach up on player-safety tangent of SEC tempo offense conversation. "That makes a ridiculously low amount of sense," he said.

Travis Haney ‏@TravHaneyESPN 1h
Asked Mike Leach what he thought of SEC's tempo offense debate. Says he hasn't paid attention because he's been writing a book on Geronimo.
 
I hope the people on the west coast are enjoying Mike Leach. One of the best interviews ever. Dude is hysterical

Travis Haney ‏@TravHaneyESPN 59m
I caught Leach up on player-safety tangent of SEC tempo offense conversation. "That makes a ridiculously low amount of sense," he said.
So much truth in his statement! The SEC curmudgeons #####ing about up tempo offenses causing more injuries is laughable.

 
I hope the people on the west coast are enjoying Mike Leach. One of the best interviews ever. Dude is hysterical

Travis Haney ‏@TravHaneyESPN 59m

I caught Leach up on player-safety tangent of SEC tempo offense conversation. "That makes a ridiculously low amount of sense," he said.
So much truth in his statement! The SEC curmudgeons #####ing about up tempo offenses causing more injuries is laughable.
I haven't seen all of the discussion....but generally wouldn't a significant increase in plays increase chance of injury?

 
I know you're all dying for some more MAC-tion.

Preseason polls released yesterday:

Team (First Place Votes) Points

MAC East Division

1. Ohio (15) 164

2. Bowling Green (8) 154

3. Kent State (1) 119

4. Buffalo (1) 101

5. Miami 78

6. Akron 53

7. UMass 29

MAC West Division

1. Northern Illinois (16) 138

2. Toledo (5) 122

3. Ball State (3) 108

4. Central Michigan (1) 67

5. Western Michigan 61

6. Eastern Michigan 29

2013 Marathon MAC Championship Game Winner: Northern Illinois 14; Toledo 3; Ohio 3; Bowling Green 2; Ball State 2; Central Michigan 1

Central Michigan getting a first-place/championship vote kills me.

 
I hope the people on the west coast are enjoying Mike Leach. One of the best interviews ever. Dude is hysterical

Travis Haney ‏@TravHaneyESPN 59m

I caught Leach up on player-safety tangent of SEC tempo offense conversation. "That makes a ridiculously low amount of sense," he said.
So much truth in his statement! The SEC curmudgeons #####ing about up tempo offenses causing more injuries is laughable.
I haven't seen all of the discussion....but generally wouldn't a significant increase in plays increase chance of injury?
Of course. As would a significant increase in mass & speed for the players. Especially when one team has a large advantage over the other.

I haven't looked at any data or research, but I would expect that the advent of up-tempo offenses aren't increasing the amount of catastrophic injuries. There may be more injuries, but those seem to be more of the out of shape DL falling over and faking a cramp.

 
Teams probably got tired of paying $30k to replace those crystal footballs. 3 broken in the short run of the BCS (FSU, UF, Bama).

On an unrelated topic, it's another banner freakin' day for this #%^@#%#& message board.

 
I hope the people on the west coast are enjoying Mike Leach. One of the best interviews ever. Dude is hysterical

Travis Haney ‏@TravHaneyESPN 59m

I caught Leach up on player-safety tangent of SEC tempo offense conversation. "That makes a ridiculously low amount of sense," he said.
So much truth in his statement! The SEC curmudgeons #####ing about up tempo offenses causing more injuries is laughable.
I haven't seen all of the discussion....but generally wouldn't a significant increase in plays increase chance of injury?
Of course. As would a significant increase in mass & speed for the players. Especially when one team has a large advantage over the other.I haven't looked at any data or research, but I would expect that the advent of up-tempo offenses aren't increasing the amount of catastrophic injuries. There may be more injuries, but those seem to be more of the out of shape DL falling over and faking a cramp.
I think the media is driving this to a large degree. I'm sure Holgersen was baited into his 'they'll have to deal with it' comment. Maybe I'm missing some quotes...but Saban's specifically were more about how the game is changing to a 'continuous' game, and what he thought some affects would be. He pointed to some games he had with 200 plays, and compared it to the NFL average of 130. He also said he 'doesn't know the answer' of the affects.

It's a reasonable response. But the media spins it to 'whining', and baits an up-tempo coach into responding aggressively.

 
I hope the people on the west coast are enjoying Mike Leach. One of the best interviews ever. Dude is hysterical

Travis Haney ‏@TravHaneyESPN 59m

I caught Leach up on player-safety tangent of SEC tempo offense conversation. "That makes a ridiculously low amount of sense," he said.
So much truth in his statement! The SEC curmudgeons #####ing about up tempo offenses causing more injuries is laughable.
I haven't seen all of the discussion....but generally wouldn't a significant increase in plays increase chance of injury?
Of course. As would a significant increase in mass & speed for the players. Especially when one team has a large advantage over the other.I haven't looked at any data or research, but I would expect that the advent of up-tempo offenses aren't increasing the amount of catastrophic injuries. There may be more injuries, but those seem to be more of the out of shape DL falling over and faking a cramp.
I think the media is driving this to a large degree. I'm sure Holgersen was baited into his 'they'll have to deal with it' comment. Maybe I'm missing some quotes...but Saban's specifically were more about how the game is changing to a 'continuous' game, and what he thought some affects would be. He pointed to some games he had with 200 plays, and compared it to the NFL average of 130. He also said he 'doesn't know the answer' of the affects.

It's a reasonable response. But the media spins it to 'whining', and baits an up-tempo coach into responding aggressively.
The media is a large part of the problem with pretty much anything these days. But that's a rant for some other time.

I think Saban was the first to bring it up, but I don't remember the context of the interview or what made him bring it up.

 
I think the media is driving this to a large degree. I'm sure Holgersen was baited into his 'they'll have to deal with it' comment. Maybe I'm missing some quotes...but Saban's specifically were more about how the game is changing to a 'continuous' game, and what he thought some affects would be. He pointed to some games he had with 200 plays, and compared it to the NFL average of 130. He also said he 'doesn't know the answer' of the affects.It's a reasonable response. But the media spins it to 'whining', and baits an up-tempo coach into responding aggressively.
I actually like Saban a lot but I absolutely think he comes across as a whiner on this issue. It mostly has to do with the fact that Saban's spin is utter bull####. Alabama averaged 66 offensive plays per game last year. On defense they averaged defending 64 plays per game. The NFL average was 64. And the paciest team Bama played last year was A&M. That game had a total of 142 plays with A&M running 77 of them. Bama didn't play a game that got even close to 200 plays so I don't even see why it's an issue.

And since the only team Saban lost to last year ran hurry-up and caught him off-guard, it's pretty hard not to see it as whining. Given his immense success, he should be above crusading for rule changes when others have success against him.

 
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I'm surprised the "targeting" rule hasn't gotten more run here. This seems like a disaster in the making. Heard a few official types this week on the radio suggesting that if this rule were in place last year, the "Clowney hit" would have gotten him suspended. I can't wait to see this thing in affect.

 
I'm surprised the "targeting" rule hasn't gotten more run here. This seems like a disaster in the making. Heard a few official types this week on the radio suggesting that if this rule were in place last year, the "Clowney hit" would have gotten him suspended. I can't wait to see this thing in affect.
Ridiculous.

 
I'm surprised the "targeting" rule hasn't gotten more run here. This seems like a disaster in the making. Heard a few official types this week on the radio suggesting that if this rule were in place last year, the "Clowney hit" would have gotten him suspended. I can't wait to see this thing in affect.
Not much to really debate on this one. It's a pretty horrible rule and seems like it's going to be enforced even worse.

 
I think the media is driving this to a large degree. I'm sure Holgersen was baited into his 'they'll have to deal with it' comment. Maybe I'm missing some quotes...but Saban's specifically were more about how the game is changing to a 'continuous' game, and what he thought some affects would be. He pointed to some games he had with 200 plays, and compared it to the NFL average of 130. He also said he 'doesn't know the answer' of the affects.

It's a reasonable response. But the media spins it to 'whining', and baits an up-tempo coach into responding aggressively.
I actually like Saban a lot but I absolutely think he comes across as a whiner on this issue. It mostly has to do with the fact that Saban's spin is utter bull####. Alabama averaged 66 offensive plays per game last year. On defense they averaged defending 64 plays per game. The NFL average was 64. And the paciest team Bama played last year was A&M. That game had a total of 142 plays with A&M running 77 of them. Bama didn't play a game that got even close to 200 plays so I don't even see why it's an issue.And since the only team Saban lost to last year ran hurry-up and caught him off-guard, it's pretty hard not to see it as whining. Given his immense success, he should be above crusading for rule changes when others have success against him.
Dont see it that way, but obviously I'm biased. When you answer a question with 'I don't know the answer', doesn't appear to be crusading very heavily. And I think he is above crusading for a rules change because it would benefit him, honestly. He's a big picture guy who was asked a question about the direction of the sport.

Personally I hope everyone but Alabama goes to no-huddle hurry-up. There are only so many Manziels. And Saban has already spoken many times about how he is changing his defense and personnel to match up better.

 
I'm surprised the "targeting" rule hasn't gotten more run here. This seems like a disaster in the making. Heard a few official types this week on the radio suggesting that if this rule were in place last year, the "Clowney hit" would have gotten him suspended. I can't wait to see this thing in affect.
Not much to really debate on this one. It's a pretty horrible rule and seems like it's going to be enforced even worse.
So the NCAA is going to eject players immediately....but the NFL hands down punishment after reviewing following the game. Makes sense.

 
Another rule change is there must now be at least 3 seconds on the clock to spike it:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1558915-ncaa-football-rule-change-2013-spiking-the-ball-with-under-three-seconds-left

To establish three seconds as the minimum amount of time required to be on the game clock in order to spike the ball to stop the clock. If one or two seconds remain on the clock, there is only time for the offense to run one more play.
Yeah, this one just doesn't make any sense to me. Kind of like that stupid running clock on kickoffs from a few seasons back. I expect it to go away after a season. Wouldn't be surprised if the targeting one goes away as well. Or gets really amended.

 
gump said:
Slider6 said:
The Commish said:
I'm surprised the "targeting" rule hasn't gotten more run here. This seems like a disaster in the making. Heard a few official types this week on the radio suggesting that if this rule were in place last year, the "Clowney hit" would have gotten him suspended. I can't wait to see this thing in affect.
Not much to really debate on this one. It's a pretty horrible rule and seems like it's going to be enforced even worse.
So the NCAA is going to eject players immediately....but the NFL hands down punishment after reviewing following the game. Makes sense.
The ejection will be sent to the replay booth immediately if I understand them correctly.

 
The Commish said:
I'm surprised the "targeting" rule hasn't gotten more run here. This seems like a disaster in the making. Heard a few official types this week on the radio suggesting that if this rule were in place last year, the "Clowney hit" would have gotten him suspended. I can't wait to see this thing in affect.
One of my best friends works with a Big 12 official. The official told him this week that they hate the rule and have no idea how to enforce it with any sort of regularity.

 
gump said:
Another rule change is there must now be at least 3 seconds on the clock to spike it:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1558915-ncaa-football-rule-change-2013-spiking-the-ball-with-under-three-seconds-left

To establish three seconds as the minimum amount of time required to be on the game clock in order to spike the ball to stop the clock. If one or two seconds remain on the clock, there is only time for the offense to run one more play.
Is this for real? This is the dumbest rule I've ever heard of.

 
The Commish said:
I'm surprised the "targeting" rule hasn't gotten more run here. This seems like a disaster in the making. Heard a few official types this week on the radio suggesting that if this rule were in place last year, the "Clowney hit" would have gotten him suspended. I can't wait to see this thing in affect.
One of my best friends works with a Big 12 official. The official told him this week that they hate the rule and have no idea how to enforce it with any sort of regularity.
They can't. About par for the course with Emmert though. I expect nothing less out of him and the NCAA. I hope these conferences bail on the NCAA on his watch.

 
gump said:
Slider6 said:
The Commish said:
I'm surprised the "targeting" rule hasn't gotten more run here. This seems like a disaster in the making. Heard a few official types this week on the radio suggesting that if this rule were in place last year, the "Clowney hit" would have gotten him suspended. I can't wait to see this thing in affect.
Not much to really debate on this one. It's a pretty horrible rule and seems like it's going to be enforced even worse.
So the NCAA is going to eject players immediately....but the NFL hands down punishment after reviewing following the game. Makes sense.
The ejection will be sent to the replay booth immediately if I understand them correctly.
Can you imagine how much this could slow games down?

 
gump said:
Slider6 said:
The Commish said:
I'm surprised the "targeting" rule hasn't gotten more run here. This seems like a disaster in the making. Heard a few official types this week on the radio suggesting that if this rule were in place last year, the "Clowney hit" would have gotten him suspended. I can't wait to see this thing in affect.
Not much to really debate on this one. It's a pretty horrible rule and seems like it's going to be enforced even worse.
So the NCAA is going to eject players immediately....but the NFL hands down punishment after reviewing following the game. Makes sense.
The ejection will be sent to the replay booth immediately if I understand them correctly.
Can you imagine how much this could slow games down?
Agreed...they put all these stupid clock rules in order to speed the game up and then do this. Can't remember if those clock rules are still in affect, but if they are this negates them so we are left with the stupid rules and a longer game :lmao:

 
Some early southern lines:

South Carolina +5 @ Georgia

Florida -6 @ Miami FL

Alabama-6.5 @ Texas A&M

LSU+5.5 @ Georgia

Texas A&M- 14 @ Arkansas

Florida +3 @ LSU

Texas A&M -5.5 @ Ole Miss

Florida St +1.5 @ Clemson

Florida-8 @ Missouri

LSU -2.5 @ Ole Miss

South Carolina -7.5 @ Missouri

Tennessee +28 @ Alabama

Miami FL+11.5 @ Florida St

Florida+2.5 @ Georgia

LSU +12 @ Alabama

Georgia Tech+13 @ Clemson

Florida +3.5 @ South Carolina

Texas A&M+2.5 @ LSU

Georgia-10 @ Georgia Tech

Florida St+3 @ Florida

Clemson+4.5 @ South Carolina

Alabama -21.5 @ Auburn

 
USA Today Poll released today:

1. Alabama (13-1) | Points: 1,545 (58 first-place votes)

2. Ohio State (12-0) | Points: 1,427 (3)

3. Oregon (12-1) | Points: 1,397

4. Stanford (12-2) | Points: 1,262

5. Georgia (12-2) | Points: 1,250

6. Texas A&M (11-2) | Points: 1,215 (1)

7. South Carolina (11-2) | Points: 1,136

8. Clemson (11-2) | Points: 1,047

9. Louisville (11-2) | Points: 1,010

10. Florida (11-2) | Points: 930

11. Notre Dame (12-1) | Points: 872

12. Florida State (12-2) | Points: 844

13. LSU (10-3) | Points: 797

14. Oklahoma State (8-5) | Points: 726

15. Texas (9-4) | Points: 622

16. Oklahoma (10-3) | Points: 620

17. Michigan (8-5) | Points: 589

18. Nebraska (10-4) | Points: 426

19. Boise State (11-2) | Points: 420

20. TCU (7-6) | Points: 400

21. UCLA (9-5) | Points: 202

22. Northwestern (10-3) | Points: 186

23. Wisconsin (8--6) | Points: 172

24. Southern California (7-6) | Points: 165

25. Oregon State (9-4) | Points: 135

 
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Eddie Vanderdoes was cleared to play this year at UCLA by the NCAA. It's a big deal not only because he's supposedly really good, but projected starting DE Owa Odighizuwa is questionable for this year.

 
Eddie Vanderdoes was cleared to play this year at UCLA by the NCAA. It's a big deal not only because he's supposedly really good, but projected starting DE Owa Odighizuwa is questionable for this year.
I thought Vanderdoes was a DT?

 
Eddie Vanderdoes was cleared to play this year at UCLA by the NCAA. It's a big deal not only because he's supposedly really good, but projected starting DE Owa Odighizuwa is questionable for this year.
I thought Vanderdoes was a DT?
He'll most likely be a DE in UCLA's 3-4 defense. UCLA has very good depth at NT, but could use Vanderdoes immediately in the two-deep at one of the DE positions. That being said, the UCLA coaches think he's versatile enough to move inside and play the NT spot.

 
Eddie Vanderdoes was cleared to play this year at UCLA by the NCAA. It's a big deal not only because he's supposedly really good, but projected starting DE Owa Odighizuwa is questionable for this year.
I thought Vanderdoes was a DT?
He'll most likely be a DE in UCLA's 3-4 defense. UCLA has very good depth at NT, but could use Vanderdoes immediately in the two-deep at one of the DE positions. That being said, the UCLA coaches think he's versatile enough to move inside and play the NT spot.
Didn't realize UCLA was 3-4. Makes sense as DE then.

 
Opening Night #33 Ole Miss @ #34 Vandy.
really looking forward to this game....not just because it's opening night but because I think both of these teams have a real chance to surprise this year. Ole Miss is a trendy pick that I haven't bought into just yet but I'm curious. Vandy finished ranked last year and people forget that. James Franklin got #### going on.

ESPN leads into that with the battle of Carolina that night. I think Fedora is going to do great things at UNC. He's an excellent coach and UNC has some talent. I don't think they are in South Carolina's league just yet but it should be an interesting game.

 
Opening Night #33 Ole Miss @ #34 Vandy.
really looking forward to this game....not just because it's opening night but because I think both of these teams have a real chance to surprise this year. Ole Miss is a trendy pick that I haven't bought into just yet but I'm curious. Vandy finished ranked last year and people forget that. James Franklin got #### going on.ESPN leads into that with the battle of Carolina that night. I think Fedora is going to do great things at UNC. He's an excellent coach and UNC has some talent. I don't think they are in South Carolina's league just yet but it should be an interesting game.
Agree...starting with a bang on Thurs this year...4 weeks from today.

 
USA Today Poll released today:

14. Oklahoma State (8-5) | Points: 726

15. Texas (9-4) | Points: 622

16. Oklahoma (10-3) | Points: 620

20. TCU (7-6) | Points: 400
The Big 12 really is wide open this year. TCU has some issues as their RT Fabuluje just quit (no idea why) and Fields (who is their best player) is suspended for the LSU game. Paschall is back and I thought that made them the favorites but their momentum seems to be going in the wrong direction. It's so wide open I honestly think the Big 12 champ could easily have 3 losses this year. Baylor is a team to watch as well as these four imo

 
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Opening Night #33 Ole Miss @ #34 Vandy.
really looking forward to this game....not just because it's opening night but because I think both of these teams have a real chance to surprise this year. Ole Miss is a trendy pick that I haven't bought into just yet but I'm curious. Vandy finished ranked last year and people forget that. James Franklin got #### going on.

ESPN leads into that with the battle of Carolina that night. I think Fedora is going to do great things at UNC. He's an excellent coach and UNC has some talent. I don't think they are in South Carolina's league just yet but it should be an interesting game.
I'm not sure what to think of him.

I know a lot of people love him and I was impressed by what he did at S. Miss., but according the CFB Matrix, he's a well below average coach. That is to say that, taking into consideration the the talent he had or recruited at his school and the talent he was facing week in and week out with his opponents, Fedora loses way more games than he should.

 
Opening Night #33 Ole Miss @ #34 Vandy.
really looking forward to this game....not just because it's opening night but because I think both of these teams have a real chance to surprise this year. Ole Miss is a trendy pick that I haven't bought into just yet but I'm curious. Vandy finished ranked last year and people forget that. James Franklin got #### going on.ESPN leads into that with the battle of Carolina that night. I think Fedora is going to do great things at UNC. He's an excellent coach and UNC has some talent. I don't think they are in South Carolina's league just yet but it should be an interesting game.
Agree...starting with a bang on Thurs this year...4 weeks from today.
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I'm not really sure what CFB Matrix is but that's a rather curious stat. Last season was his first at UNC and he won 8 games. UNC last won more than 8 games in 1997. He shared the division title (though they weren't eligible). He took USM to a 12-2 season, a C-USA title, and ranked in the final poll. Not sure exactly how that can be "well below average" :shrug:

 
I'm not really sure what CFB Matrix is but that's a rather curious stat. Last season was his first at UNC and he won 8 games. UNC last won more than 8 games in 1997. He shared the division title (though they weren't eligible). He took USM to a 12-2 season, a C-USA title, and ranked in the final poll. Not sure exactly how that can be "well below average" :shrug:
Here's a comment on him from CFB Matrix:

Larry Fedora - Dead man walking. Handed a gift from the scheduling gods in 2012, all he did was go -4 game coach effect. just like he did at Southern Miss. UNC deserves better. He still has at least 3 years left to make something of this terrible effort in 2012.
And, another from the end of last season, in his final coach effect rankings:

Larry Fedora – UNC - Just like ole times at USM. Tons of talent, always failing.
-4 game coach effect means that over the course of the entire schedule, UNC lost (at least) 4 games in which they had more talent than the other team. It's a simple formula. You get no points for winning a game you should based off an average of the last 5 years of aggregate recruiting rankings (all of the services available). You get 1 point on the positive side if you win a game in which the opponent has more 5 year recruited talent and you lose 1 point if you lose a game in which you have more 5 year recruited talent.

Apparently, Fedora comes up short more or less every year. -4 is very bad.

 
Would that be skewed in any way due to all of the issues UNC has had recently? I know they've had a ton of talent come through there in the last few years but they haven't always been able to suit-up for one reason or another. I'm not surprised to learn that a matrix that compares recruiting rankings over a five-year period to results on the field doesn't favor them. Also seems kinda strange given the nosedive So Miss took last year post-Fedora.

 

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