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[Slapdash]

Guys this is the lamest ####ing argument I've ever seen. Take it to a thread that sucks.

Sorry to distract everyone from the routine #####ing about OOC schedules and conference ****-measuring. Wait, no I'm not.

 

[roadkill1292]

Guys this is the lamest ####ing argument I've ever seen. Take it to a thread that sucks.

Recruiting talk! This thread needs more recruiting talk!

 

[pollardsvision]

Guys this is the lamest ####ing argument I've ever seen. Take it to a thread that sucks.

Sorry to distract everyone from the routine #####ing about OOC schedules and conference ****-measuring. Wait, no I'm not.

I figure Petrino and Pitino are whipping theirs out onto a Louisville bar top as we speak.

Winner gets first crack at the new secretary. Loser gets her mom.

 

[D-Day]

CNN Article

In December, the Drake Group, which pushes for academic integrity in collegiate sports, organized a lobbying trip to Washington to push for an amendment to the College Education Act of 1965. Director Allen Sack said he wants to see a College Athlete Protection Act -- legislation that would keep athletes on the bench as freshmen if they are academically more than one standard deviation lower than the average student admitted to the university.

Article doesn't tell us much that we didn't already know. Found the above to be interesting. What would the impact be on these big programs if Drake Group succeeded in getting this kind of requirement in place?

I don't get the point of the Drake Group here, nobody is pretending these athletes are there for school.

The point is to remind people that not everybody sees this as acceptable. Universities should represent the best of who we are in this country, not be enablers of corrupt and exploitative systems.

Ship has sailed on the bold a long time ago and not just because of sports.

Setting that aside....how does preventing players from playing their sport improve their situation? If their goal is to go pro it robs them of a year to become better at their craft. It just reinforces the charade of "student atheletes" while harming those it purports to help. Elitst bull#### IMO

1. I don't want to give up the fight, which is usually an unpopular one at a football message board.

2. Such a small percentage actually turn pro that the end result is pretty one-sided, which is the definition of exploitative.

edit: Forgive the intrusion, please carry on with the scintillating Petrino discussion.

This just makes it harder for people to go pro though, more players would end up going to JUCO or choosing a different path altogether.

The idea that being a professional athelete should have anything to do with one's educational acheivement is at the heart of the problem. Drake is coming at this from the wrong perspective, one that worsens that delusion.

College athletics is about making money by providing entertainment to people who feel an affiliation to that school. In reality, most people don't care if the student athlete can read, use excel or whatever. Most people want the athlete to excel in the sport in which they particiapate. Again, the colleges are providing ENTERTAINMENT FOR YOUR DOLLARS.

Now the teachers who claim that the athlete is taking a classroom spot that someone else is more qualified for is a CROCK. More students = more teachers.

For those who saw the 30 for 30 on The U may recall that once the football team started winning, enrollment went up, new accademic buildings were built, and more teachers were hired. I am reminded of the movie, "The Right Stuff" where the astronaughts were making a point to the scientist... Do you know what makes this rocket go up? FUNDING. And do you know what brings in the funding? Buck Rogers. No Buck Rogers, no funding, no rockets.

So to those college professors who don't think they should have to degrade themselves into trying to teach a dumb football player, let's kill all college athletics and see what kind of funding that these professors are able to bring in.

 

[Moe.]

There's obviously no reason for major athletics to be associated with our institutions of higher learning. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I'm not saying the system in place shouldn't be improved but the whole thing is just flawed.

 

[General Malaise]

Why on earth would Rich Rod leave Arizona for Louisville? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long long time. Louisville?

Right. Who would leave a football powerhouse like Arizona?

If the two jobs were open and money equal I'd take Arizona without hesitation.

Yeah....nobody is leaving a Pac-12 job for Louisville. Not with the new economics in place.

 

[General Malaise]

@YahooForde: Y sources: Petrino hiring imminent at Louisville yhoo.it/1gEcfKh

Nostramalaise

 

[The Commish]

There's obviously no reason for major athletics to be associated with our institutions of higher learning. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I'm not saying the system in place shouldn't be improved but the whole thing is just flawed.

 

[Premier]

Why on earth would Rich Rod leave Arizona for Louisville? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long long time. Louisville?

Right. Who would leave a football powerhouse like Arizona?

If the two jobs were open and money equal I'd take Arizona without hesitation.

Yeah....nobody is leaving a Pac-12 job for Louisville. Not with the new economics in place.

Louisville athletics is a money printing machine.

 

[General Malaise]

Why on earth would Rich Rod leave Arizona for Louisville? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long long time. Louisville?

Right. Who would leave a football powerhouse like Arizona?

If the two jobs were open and money equal I'd take Arizona without hesitation.

Yeah....nobody is leaving a Pac-12 job for Louisville. Not with the new economics in place.

Louisville athletics is a money printing machine.

Yeah, I guess. I think the Petrino hire makes sense. I don't think anybody in the Pac-12 was even remotely interested in this position. Just my opinion.

 

[Premier]

Why on earth would Rich Rod leave Arizona for Louisville? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long long time. Louisville?

Right. Who would leave a football powerhouse like Arizona?

If the two jobs were open and money equal I'd take Arizona without hesitation.

Yeah....nobody is leaving a Pac-12 job for Louisville. Not with the new economics in place.

Louisville athletics is a money printing machine.

Yeah, I guess. I think the Petrino hire makes sense. I don't think anybody in the Pac-12 was even remotely interested in this position. Just my opinion.

There are a lot of Pac 12 jobs that are worse than Louisville.

 

[General Malaise]

Why on earth would Rich Rod leave Arizona for Louisville? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long long time. Louisville?

Right. Who would leave a football powerhouse like Arizona?

If the two jobs were open and money equal I'd take Arizona without hesitation.

Yeah....nobody is leaving a Pac-12 job for Louisville. Not with the new economics in place.

Louisville athletics is a money printing machine.

Yeah, I guess. I think the Petrino hire makes sense. I don't think anybody in the Pac-12 was even remotely interested in this position. Just my opinion.

There are a lot of Pac 12 jobs that are worse than Louisville.

If you say so.

 

[Premier]

Why on earth would Rich Rod leave Arizona for Louisville? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long long time. Louisville?

Right. Who would leave a football powerhouse like Arizona?

If the two jobs were open and money equal I'd take Arizona without hesitation.

Yeah....nobody is leaving a Pac-12 job for Louisville. Not with the new economics in place.

Louisville athletics is a money printing machine.

Yeah, I guess. I think the Petrino hire makes sense. I don't think anybody in the Pac-12 was even remotely interested in this position. Just my opinion.

There are a lot of Pac 12 jobs that are worse than Louisville.

If you say so.

4 for sure (Utah, Colorado, WSU, Cal), three you could argue (Arizona, ASU, OSU). Stanford, Oregon, UW, UCLA, USC all better. You could argue Stanford isn't necessarily a better job either, just being run by two tremendous coaches.

 

[AAABatteries]

South Carolina ends the season at #4 in both polls

Gamecock fans experiencing a lot of "what ifs" regarding the UT game?

4th and 2 with less than 3 minutes to go and TWO TIMEOUTS to decide to punt the ball. Wins over three top 10 teams (Missouri, Clemson and UCF) and five Bowl winners (Missouri, Clemson, UCF, Vanderbilt and Mississippi St) helps ease the pain.

It is an amazing time in Gamecock country. South Carolina didn't get their first Bowl Win until 1994 (0-8 prior to that and 7-4 since) and are now coming off their 6th bowl in a row and 3rd straight Bowl victory. It's completely unheard of a decade ago.

Three straight 11-2 seasons and final rankings of 9, 8 and now 4. In 1998 and 1999 we suffered through a 1-10 then 0-11 seasons

Losing that game to Tennessee stinks, but things are a lot better.

Spurrier doesn't get enough credit IMO because people see him as a caricature of himself. Dude won at Duke which was unheard of. Won huge at UF, And is winning big at Carolina where many said he'd never win. If he wins the SEC and a NC one day I think he has to be considered one of the best ever.

 

[General Malaise]

Why on earth would Rich Rod leave Arizona for Louisville? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long long time. Louisville?

Right. Who would leave a football powerhouse like Arizona?

If the two jobs were open and money equal I'd take Arizona without hesitation.

Yeah....nobody is leaving a Pac-12 job for Louisville. Not with the new economics in place.

Louisville athletics is a money printing machine.

Yeah, I guess. I think the Petrino hire makes sense. I don't think anybody in the Pac-12 was even remotely interested in this position. Just my opinion.

There are a lot of Pac 12 jobs that are worse than Louisville.

If you say so.

4 for sure (Utah, Colorado, WSU, Cal), three you could argue (Arizona, ASU, OSU). Stanford, Oregon, UW, UCLA, USC all better. You could argue Stanford isn't necessarily a better job either, just being run by two tremendous coaches.

I'd argue that coaches would prefer to coach in the Pac-12 vs whatever it is Louisville is in currently, but I'm myopic. Yeah, Colorado is an abortion but I think it's a sleeping giant. Past pedigree, desirable place to live, Pac-12 TV money...Louisville is a basketball school in the bible belt.

I can't make any arguments for WSU. I've been to Pullman. It's a dump on the far corners of the worst place on earth. But hey, Mike Leach likes it. Better than Lubbock.

 

[GDogg]

The Pac-12 releases the 2014 schedule and they didn't learn anything from two years ago from when UCLA and Stanford played in back to back weeks, although they try to rationalize it.

Aug 30 - @ UVA
Sept 6 - Memphis
Sept 13 - @ UT (Arlington)
Sept 20 - BYE
Sept 25 - @ Arizona St. (Thurs.)
Oct 4 - Utah
Oct 11 - Oregon
Oct 18 - @ Cal
Oct 25 - @ Colorado
Nov 1 - Arizona
Nov 8 - @ UW
Nov 15 - BYE
Nov 22 - Southern Cal
Nov 28 - Stanford (Fri., 6 days after Southern Cal)
Dec 5 - PAC-12 Championship (on a Friday again)

The decision was made to schedule the cross-division Stanford at UCLA game on the final week of the 2014 season in keeping with the terms of future scheduling commitments approved by the Pac-12 Directors of Athletics to maintain the late-season games between Stanford/USC and Notre Dame.

Placing the Stanford at UCLA game on Friday, November 28, 2014, will allow Stanford and UCLA to play their 12 games over a 14-week period (two bye weeks; the same as the other Pac-12 institutions playing 12 regular-season games) and does not provide them a bye the week prior to the Pac-12 Championship Football Game. It also provides UCLA the opportunity to host a special date game on the Friday after Thanksgiving.

So, basically, the Pac-12 conference makes its schedule at the whims of Notre Dame.

 

[AAABatteries]

I'd argue that coaches would prefer to coach in the Pac-12 vs whatever it is Louisville is in currently, but I'm myopic. Yeah, Colorado is an abortion but I think it's a sleeping giant. Past pedigree, desirable place to live, Pac-12 TV money...Louisville is a basketball school in the bible belt.

I can't make any arguments for WSU. I've been to Pullman. It's a dump on the far corners of the worst place on earth. But hey, Mike Leach likes it. Better than Lubbock.

When they play their next game they will be in the ACC.

<ACC Honk>Home of the current National Champs. Two BCS Winners in 2013. And 1/2 of ND!</ACC Honk>

 

[Politician Spock]

CNN Article

In December, the Drake Group, which pushes for academic integrity in collegiate sports, organized a lobbying trip to Washington to push for an amendment to the College Education Act of 1965. Director Allen Sack said he wants to see a College Athlete Protection Act -- legislation that would keep athletes on the bench as freshmen if they are academically more than one standard deviation lower than the average student admitted to the university.

Article doesn't tell us much that we didn't already know. Found the above to be interesting. What would the impact be on these big programs if Drake Group succeeded in getting this kind of requirement in place?

The NCAA was formed a century ago per the request of the POTUS because too many college students were dying and being seriously hurt by this new violent sport they created called football. The purpose of the NCAA was to protect student athletes from being exploited by the schools.

That all changed when the Supreme Court ruled in "NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma" that the NCAA was violating the Sherman and Clayton Antitrust Acts. Since that ruling the NCAA transitioned from being an organization that exits to protect the student athletes from the schools, into an organization that exists to enforce punitive action uopon student athletes who get out of line in the billion dollar money making system.

I would suspect that if the Drake Group ever succeeding in getting this kind of requirement in place, it would soon be sued for violating Antitrust. What buiseness does the Drake Group have in telling the University of Oklahoma, or any other college/university who they CANNOT exploit to make money when it's already been established by the Supreme Court that the NCAA did not have the right to set such limitation?

Nothing will ever change in the NCAA until the athletes fight and win their right to collectively bargain. Until then, they are nothing but property of the school while they are registered students. The schools can profit from their property however they wish.

 

[RUSF18]

The Pac-12 releases the 2014 schedule and they didn't learn anything from two years ago from when UCLA and Stanford played in back to back weeks, although they try to rationalize it.

Aug 30 - @ UVA

Sept 6 - Memphis

Sept 13 - @ UT (Arlington)

Sept 20 - BYE

Sept 25 - @ Arizona St. (Thurs.)

Oct 4 - Utah

Oct 11 - Oregon

Oct 18 - @ Cal

Oct 25 - @ Colorado

Nov 1 - Arizona

Nov 8 - @ UW

Nov 15 - BYE

Nov 22 - Southern Cal

Nov 28 - Stanford (Fri., 6 days after Southern Cal)

Dec 5 - PAC-12 Championship (on a Friday again)

The decision was made to schedule the cross-division Stanford at UCLA game on the final week of the 2014 season in keeping with the terms of future scheduling commitments approved by the Pac-12 Directors of Athletics to maintain the late-season games between Stanford/USC and Notre Dame.

Placing the Stanford at UCLA game on Friday, November 28, 2014, will allow Stanford and UCLA to play their 12 games over a 14-week period (two bye weeks; the same as the other Pac-12 institutions playing 12 regular-season games) and does not provide them a bye the week prior to the Pac-12 Championship Football Game. It also provides UCLA the opportunity to host a special date game on the Friday after Thanksgiving.

So, basically, the Pac-12 conference makes its schedule at the whims of Notre Dame.

Nice conference home draw for UCLA.

 

[Premier]

Yea I guess GM doesn't know Louisville is now in the ACC. If it were stuck in the American then yea, I would take any Pac program over it.

 

[AAABatteries]

I know very little about Arizona football and their tradition but UL is a nice program and they've been winning for a while now. Nice recruiting base and will fit in nicely in the ACC. Having said that - I spent a few days in L-ville once and it seemed like a ####hole - I wouldn't want to live there myself and I assume wherever Arizona is located (Tuscon?) is much better from a living perspective.

ETA - it was many years ago and I didn't visit the entire city so I may be off base on that but that was my perception at least.

 

[whoknew]

Nice work:

@BrandtSnedeker: Sweetening the offer to keep@jamesfranklinvu here. Free golf lessons for life if he stays.. Impossible to turn down!! #bestcoachanywhere

 

[Politician Spock]

I know very little about Arizona football and their tradition but UL is a nice program and they've been winning for a while now. Nice recruiting base and will fit in nicely in the ACC. Having said that - I spent a few days in L-ville once and it seemed like a ####hole - I wouldn't want to live there myself and I assume wherever Arizona is located (Tuscon?) is much better from a living perspective.

ETA - it was many years ago and I didn't visit the entire city so I may be off base on that but that was my perception at least.

It's a beautiful area. I don't live there, but the drive from Louisville to Lexington presents you with grass covered hills like you see in The Lord of the Rings movies. Made me want to stop my car and roll down one of them.

 

[Premier]

@FauxPelini: .@UofLFootball Do your computers not have Google on them

 

[Mark Davis]

4 for sure (Utah, Colorado, WSU, Cal), three you could argue (Arizona, ASU, OSU). Stanford, Oregon, UW, UCLA, USC all better. You could argue Stanford isn't necessarily a better job either, just being run by two tremendous coaches.

Based on the recent past I get where you are coming from with Colorado, but it has shown in the past you can win big there. Louisville has had a nice program, I'm not knocking it. But football in Kentucky will always be second. Even with the success they've had time will tell if they can really sustain. Remember, Mack Brown had some really strong teams at UNC in the '90s but it's too much of a basketball school. I'd actually say OSU is lower as well. Mike Riley is to that place what Bill Snyder is to Kansas St in my opinion. If I had to rank which would be below or equivalent to Louisville I'd have a hard time getting past Utah, WSU, and Cal. OSU would be the next I'd consider.

 

[bagger]

Mississippi state would not have gone undefeated in the MEAC.

Not sure where that came from, if someone said somewhere in here they thought State was good or what. I had to look up the MEAC to see what it was, but I believe they would have easily gone without a loss. Mississippi State had a good team this year.I'm not a conference rooter. I hate Bama and Ole Miss and rooted wholeheartedly against them.

oh I just spun a wheel with random sec teams and then a wheel of random conferences and that's what I came up with.

 

[whoknew]

According to many reports, Michigan has hired Doug Nussmeier from Alabama as its next OC.

SEC fans - thoughts on him?

 

[MAC_32]

According to many reports, Michigan has hired Doug Nussmeier from Alabama as its next OC.

SEC fans - thoughts on him?

woooooooooooooooo!!!

 

[scottybo]

Guess the Lane Kiffin visit to Alabama was no fluke?

Not sure of any better choice at the moment. May actually turn out to be a good fit.

 

[shader]

Nussmeier did a great job last year but got way too aerial this year. Had we stuck with the run we could have beaten Auburn and the Oklahoma game might have swung our way too. I've heard rumors that Saban wasn't happy. Saban is pretty reliant on a good offensive minded OC.

 

[Mark Davis]

Looks like Penn State job is Franklin's if he wants it. I figure this is it.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10266818/penn-state-offers-vanderbilt-james-franklin-head-coaching-position

 

[Quez]

The Jameis Winston accuser filed a civil suit. I wonder if this will just be settled real quick, or if it will be drawn out. Jameis doesn't have any money right now, but I guess that doesn't matter as they could drag it out.

 

[The Commish]

Nussmeier did a great job last year but got way too aerial this year. Had we stuck with the run we could have beaten Auburn and the Oklahoma game might have swung our way too. I've heard rumors that Saban wasn't happy. Saban is pretty reliant on a good offensive minded OC.

Expand on this for me a bit...these are McCarron's stats. Is the assertion that this increase was a major one?

 

[The Commish]

Guess the Lane Kiffin visit to Alabama was no fluke?

Not sure of any better choice at the moment. May actually turn out to be a good fit.

Would they really consider Kiffin? I can't imagine how he and Saban would manage to get along. Talking about oil and vinegar!

 

[The Commish]

Petrino: "This is where I want to finish my career. Emotionally I'm tied to doing that & contractually I'm tied to doing that"

 

[Premier]

@BlatantHomerism: oh god RT @SBNationCFB: "I went to Western Kentucky so I could get close to Louisville," Petrino claims.

 

[Premier]

@McMurphyESPN: Jurich said not surprised Petrino returned to UL: "The only thing I'm surprised at is Charlie went to Texas"

This is amazing.

 

[whoknew]

@BFeldmanCBS: BREAKING#Vandy coach James Franklin is expected to be the next head coach at #PennState, per source

Damn.

 

[whoknew]

@BFeldmanCBS: BREAKING#Vandy coach James Franklin is expected to be the next head coach at #PennState, per source

Damn.

Ok Vanderbilt - Pat Narduzzi!

 

[Tom Servo]

@BFeldmanCBS: BREAKING#Vandy coach James Franklin is expected to be the next head coach at #PennState, per source

Damn.

Whoo-hoo!!!

 

[CBusAlex]

@BlatantHomerism: oh god RT @SBNationCFB: "I went to Western Kentucky so I could get close to Louisville," Petrino claims.

"Also, because Prairie View A&M wouldn't return my calls. But mostly the Louisville thing."

 

[The Commish]

@BFeldmanCBS: BREAKING#Vandy coach James Franklin is expected to be the next head coach at #PennState, per source

Damn.

Ok Vanderbilt - Pat Narduzzi!

I'm still trying to figure out how/why this guy is still a coordinator

 

[Abraham]

Guess the Lane Kiffin visit to Alabama was no fluke?

Not sure of any better choice at the moment. May actually turn out to be a good fit.

Would they really consider Kiffin? I can't imagine how he and Saban would manage to get along. Talking about oil and vinegar!

Absolutely. Kiffin is still very young and his reputation as an excellent offensive mind hasn't been too tarnished. He could come work under Saban as OC for a couple years, and rehab he reputation well enough to get another crack at being a head coach somewhere significant.

 

[The Commish]

Guess the Lane Kiffin visit to Alabama was no fluke?

Not sure of any better choice at the moment. May actually turn out to be a good fit.

Would they really consider Kiffin? I can't imagine how he and Saban would manage to get along. Talking about oil and vinegar!

Absolutely. Kiffin is still very young and his reputation as an excellent offensive mind hasn't been too tarnished. He could come work under Saban as OC for a couple years, and rehab he reputation well enough to get another crack at being a head coach somewhere significant.

Is this akin to your "Petrino will never get back to Louisville" shtick?? Best I can tell, this relationship would require a humbling of epic proportions on Kiffin's part. I don't think he's capable of that. I guess time will tell.

 

[Slider6]

@BFeldmanCBS: BREAKING#Vandy coach James Franklin is expected to be the next head coach at #PennState, per source

Damn.

Yeah, I was hoping they would take Al Golden

 

[pollardsvision]

@BFeldmanCBS: BREAKING#Vandy coach James Franklin is expected to be the next head coach at #PennState, per source

Damn.

Ok Vanderbilt - Pat Narduzzi!

I'm still trying to figure out how/why this guy is still a coordinator

I could be wrong, but it seems most AD's for BCS programs would rather hire guys with HC experience. Exceptions generally seem to be made for the "coach in waiting" or for Belichick assistants.

Whether by choice or lack of opportunity, people have been wondering the same about Bud Foster for a long time now too.

 

[Quez]

Lane is also a top recruiter. He could create a West Coast pipeline for talent Saban may not have a chance at. Lane also has ties to Tampa where he got Nelson Agholor from.

 

[Abraham]

Guess the Lane Kiffin visit to Alabama was no fluke?

Not sure of any better choice at the moment. May actually turn out to be a good fit.

Would they really consider Kiffin? I can't imagine how he and Saban would manage to get along. Talking about oil and vinegar!

Absolutely. Kiffin is still very young and his reputation as an excellent offensive mind hasn't been too tarnished. He could come work under Saban as OC for a couple years, and rehab he reputation well enough to get another crack at being a head coach somewhere significant.

Is this akin to your "Petrino will never get back to Louisville" shtick?? Best I can tell, this relationship would require a humbling of epic proportions on Kiffin's part. I don't think he's capable of that. I guess time will tell.

His other option is to be a 38 year old football coach whose best days are behind him. Maybe his ego is that big, but I would be surprised.

 

[General Malaise]

What exactly were Lane's best days? Getting to and losing the Sun Bowl? The development of Jamarcus Russell? Calling out Urban Meyer for cheating and in so doing, breaking an SEC violation himself? Telling Alshon Jefferey that if went to South Carolina instead of Tennessee that "he would end up pumping gas for the rest of his life like all the other players from that state who had gone to South Carolina."

He did beat Oregon in Eugene. That one still stings.

 

[Mark Davis]

I don't get why Saban would bring in Kiffin. I know what results can be on the field with him as far as being an OC, but he has the potential to turn things into a sideshow and bring distractions. I get it if the program is struggling or needs a boost but Alabama doesn't need it. To me it's taking a risk that you don't have to take. Alabama can win with or without him.