*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (3 Viewers)

[ATC1]

Would you goobers please stop this? Auburn are what they are. They are down and suck pretty bad early in the season. Just ask Clemson and ULM. They aren't at Ole Miss levels, but they are closer to Ole Miss then say a Georgia or South Carolina. I stand by my statement that if the LSU that showed up against Auburn, showed up against the FSU that was on the field last night, they lose and no stat about how LSU dominated a craptastic Auburn team changes my opinion on that.

The point to make is that their offense was never really a threat the entire game, and LSU does not have an offense that can overcome so many penalties. But they find a way to win the tight games. Last year all we saw was stats on opposing teams vs LSU that they were not as dominate as it seemed (particularly against Oregon) and yet they went on to have one of the greatest regular seasons in the history of NCAA football. They certainly can not afford to shoot themselves in the foot @ Florida in 2 weeks. Florida has a bye and will be fired up at home. But the win against Auburn has been Les Miles' MO since he has been at LSU.

 

[BigJohn]

No mention of Old Dominion over the weekend? 730 yards in passing for the QB, breaking Klingler's old record. 79 passing attempts. Who throws the ball 79 times in a single game?

...and has to win the game with a last-second feild goal...

 

[roadkill1292]

I'm intrigued by ODU moving up to D1, they're located in the middle of one of the best recruiting areas on the east coast. It seems like Frank Beamer gets lots of guys from there for VaTech.

 

[gump]

They certainly can not afford to shoot themselves in the foot @ Florida in 2 weeks. Florida has a bye and will be fired up at home. But the win against Auburn has been Les Miles' MO since he has been at LSU.

The Swamp is the loudest opposing stadium I recall experiencing....that game will be electric.I didnt watch all of the AU game, but what was up with having Mett roll out so much? He seems like a Mallett-type drop-back passer...not athletic enough to move around in the pocket effectively. Is that his MO....or is Miles testing him to see how much of that he can do, and discovering that now?

 

[The Commish]

Would you goobers please stop this? Auburn are what they are. They are down and suck pretty bad early in the season. Just ask Clemson and ULM. They aren't at Ole Miss levels, but they are closer to Ole Miss then say a Georgia or South Carolina. I stand by my statement that if the LSU that showed up against Auburn, showed up against the FSU that was on the field last night, they lose and no stat about how LSU dominated a craptastic Auburn team changes my opinion on that.

The point to make is that their offense was never really a threat the entire game, and LSU does not have an offense that can overcome so many penalties. But they find a way to win the tight games. Last year all we saw was stats on opposing teams vs LSU that they were not as dominate as it seemed (particularly against Oregon) and yet they went on to have one of the greatest regular seasons in the history of NCAA football. They certainly can not afford to shoot themselves in the foot @ Florida in 2 weeks. Florida has a bye and will be fired up at home. But the win against Auburn has been Les Miles' MO since he has been at LSU.

They do find a way to win tight games, but they also tend to have more tight games than they should. I don't really care about last year now though...not sure what that has to do with this discussion. This wasn't about "going on the road in the SEC".

 

[bagger]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.

and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Surprised to see K State make as big of a jump as they did.

Why? They beat the #5 team at their place. Jumping up five slots doesn't seem like a huge jump.

Awfully big jump for a JUCO team.

Let it go.... stop trying to stir the pot as usual. DD and I are cool with each other.

 

[ATC1]

They certainly can not afford to shoot themselves in the foot @ Florida in 2 weeks. Florida has a bye and will be fired up at home. But the win against Auburn has been Les Miles' MO since he has been at LSU.

The Swamp is the loudest opposing stadium I recall experiencing....that game will be electric.I didnt watch all of the AU game, but what was up with having Mett roll out so much? He seems like a Mallett-type drop-back passer...not athletic enough to move around in the pocket effectively. Is that his MO....or is Miles testing him to see how much of that he can do, and discovering that now?

I remember 2 roll outs. I think it was to roll away from Auburn's best pass rusher to allow more route runners as opposed to needing a RB to help on that side. He did not do as well I'll agree. I think he is moving in the pocket better. A lot better then Jefferson and Lee last year, but that is not saying much.

 

[ATC1]

Would you goobers please stop this? Auburn are what they are. They are down and suck pretty bad early in the season. Just ask Clemson and ULM. They aren't at Ole Miss levels, but they are closer to Ole Miss then say a Georgia or South Carolina. I stand by my statement that if the LSU that showed up against Auburn, showed up against the FSU that was on the field last night, they lose and no stat about how LSU dominated a craptastic Auburn team changes my opinion on that.

The point to make is that their offense was never really a threat the entire game, and LSU does not have an offense that can overcome so many penalties. But they find a way to win the tight games. Last year all we saw was stats on opposing teams vs LSU that they were not as dominate as it seemed (particularly against Oregon) and yet they went on to have one of the greatest regular seasons in the history of NCAA football. They certainly can not afford to shoot themselves in the foot @ Florida in 2 weeks. Florida has a bye and will be fired up at home. But the win against Auburn has been Les Miles' MO since he has been at LSU.

They do find a way to win tight games, but they also tend to have more tight games than they should. I don't really care about last year now though...not sure what that has to do with this discussion. This wasn't about "going on the road in the SEC".

LSU has always had tight games year in and year out particularly on the road, no idea why this year would be any different. That's what happens when you have poor QB play and a great defense. They have not had a decent QB since Matt Flynn.

 

[GeauxTigers]

Until Mettenberger can can proove he can handle an offense without the need of a running game, LSU will lose 1-2 close games this year. Flordia away in 2 weeks looks a lot tougher then the start of the season. Looks like Les handed the game to Met in the 2nd half and he never bounced back after the fumble on the sack. Penatlies, dropped passes, fumbled QB center exchange. It looked like the first game of the season. It was the first road game, but they have a lot to clean up before traveling to Flordia.

I agree. I was disappointed with Mett's performance. He looked scared and undecisive out there. He needs to step up in the pocket and make faster decisions. The WRs need to catch the ball too. Too many dropped passes. O Beckham dropped a 40 yard bomb. The LSU defense is still awesome but they can't win all the games for LSU.Hopefully Blue will be back for the Bama game.Also, I will give props to Auburn. It is hard to beat Auburn at night in an SEC game. The Auburn players were fired up and ready to play.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

The problem is, who do you put over them?This early in the season I always have the same reaction as you. No way XXXX deserved to be up there, they're just there because they beat their patsies early and have a big name. Problem is, the teams behind them are the same thing. Until week 6 at least, it's mostly just guessing.

 

[GeauxTigers]

Surprised to see K State make as big of a jump as they did.

Why? They beat the #5 team at their place. Jumping up five slots doesn't seem like a huge jump.

I'm more surprised they jumped 8 spots in the AP poll. The Coaches' Poll never feels like a good barometer since it's not like the coaches watch near as many of games as the writers do. There's an inherent bias in all polls, but at least the writers typically have more to go on.That and I was never sold on OU being a top 5 team whatsoever (preseason and especially so after struggling with UTEP).

OU was overrated to begin with.

 

[GeauxTigers]

My new top 25, thoguhts:1.Alabama2.LSU3.Stanford4.Georgia5.Oregon6.Florida State7.West Virginia8.Kansas State9.Notre Dame10.South Carolina11.Florida12.Texas13.TCU14.USC15.Ohio State16.Mississippi State17.Oregon St.18.Clemson19.Oklahoma20.Louisville21.Rutgers22.Ohio23.Northwestern24.Baylor25.UCLAJust missed; Michigan State, Nebraska, Virginia Tech, Boise State

I would drop LSU to around 3 or 4. We don't deserve #2 until we can prove it on the road in an SEC game.

 

[GeauxTigers]

They certainly can not afford to shoot themselves in the foot @ Florida in 2 weeks. Florida has a bye and will be fired up at home. But the win against Auburn has been Les Miles' MO since he has been at LSU.

The Swamp is the loudest opposing stadium I recall experiencing....that game will be electric.I didnt watch all of the AU game, but what was up with having Mett roll out so much? He seems like a Mallett-type drop-back passer...not athletic enough to move around in the pocket effectively. Is that his MO....or is Miles testing him to see how much of that he can do, and discovering that now?

It is a Miles thing. I HATE roll outs. The field gets cut in half. The only play I hate worse than a roll out pass is no longer in the play book because Mett doesn't run the option. It was that stupid play where JJ would run the speed option to the short side of the field and either fall down for a 1 yard loss or toss it to the HB who would catch the ball about a foot away from out of bounds and get pushed out for a 1 yard gain.

 

[GeauxTigers]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

 

[Slapdash]

Surprised to see K State make as big of a jump as they did.

Why? They beat the #5 team at their place. Jumping up five slots doesn't seem like a huge jump.

Awfully big jump for a JUCO team.

Let it go.... stop trying to stir the pot as usual. DD and I are cool with each other.

Coming from you?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

It is a Miles thing. I HATE roll outs. The field gets cut in half.

Ditto. Florida has been running them a lot this year too. Every time it ends in either a throw away out of bounds or a low percentage pass to a well covered receiver trying to magically catch the ball and get his feet down in bounds for a 4 yard gain.

 

[Slapdash]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

Oregon, K-State, Stanford, FSU, and Notre Dame (ick) should probably all be ahead of Georgia and South Carolina at this point. WV would be debatable too.

 

[cheese]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

Oregon, Florida St, West Virginia, Stanford and the other 3 SEC teams over Georgia for me.

 

[bagger]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

The problem is, who do you put over them?This early in the season I always have the same reaction as you. No way XXXX deserved to be up there, they're just there because they beat their patsies early and have a big name. Problem is, the teams behind them are the same thing. Until week 6 at least, it's mostly just guessing.

i agree. it goes back to not having rankings until week 5 but that would never happen.

 

[Moe.]

Surprised to see K State make as big of a jump as they did.

Why? They beat the #5 team at their place. Jumping up five slots doesn't seem like a huge jump.

I'm more surprised they jumped 8 spots in the AP poll. The Coaches' Poll never feels like a good barometer since it's not like the coaches watch near as many of games as the writers do. There's an inherent bias in all polls, but at least the writers typically have more to go on.That and I was never sold on OU being a top 5 team whatsoever (preseason and especially so after struggling with UTEP).

OU was overrated to begin with.

Just too many injuries and suspensions for OU to be a contender this year, plus it seems like Landry Jones has regressed. There will probably be more losses to come. That said, I was impressed with K-State, I thought they played a solid game. Nothing wrong with having them in the top ten. Arthur Brown is going to have a nice career in the NFL. I don't see the Big 12 factoring into the bcs title picture this year but it should be an entertaining season.

 

[cheese]

My new top 25, thoguhts:1.Alabama2.LSU3.Stanford4.Georgia5.Oregon6.Florida State7.West Virginia8.Kansas State9.Notre Dame10.South Carolina11.Florida12.Texas13.TCU14.USC15.Ohio State16.Mississippi State17.Oregon St.18.Clemson19.Oklahoma20.Louisville21.Rutgers22.Ohio23.Northwestern24.Baylor25.UCLAJust missed; Michigan State, Nebraska, Virginia Tech, Boise State

It's all very subjective, especially this early, but I think you're missing the boat on Oregon. People are paying too much attention to their style of play and not enough attention to how unbelievably good they are. It's not a gimmick, it's the most dangerous offense in the country. If they play average defense, we'll see them in the NCG and they might win it. I would have them in the top 2 for now.

 

[bagger]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

lolbama is legit #1 but after that no other sec team is better than oregon, fsu, or k state, and possibly notre dame, and clemson....forgot aout wvu too.the sec doesnt even have 4 of the top 10 schools, let alone the top 6.theyre still the best conference so no need to spit out your binky and cry.

 

[GeauxTigers]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

Oregon, K-State, Stanford, FSU, and Notre Dame (ick) should probably all be ahead of Georgia and South Carolina at this point. WV would be debatable too.

I would say they are about the same.

 

[Slapdash]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.

and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

lolbama is legit #1 but after that no other sec team is better than oregon, fsu, or k state, and possibly notre dame, and clemson.

the sec doesnt even have 4 of the top 10 schools, let alone the top 6.

theyre still the best conference so no need to spit out your binky and cry.

One of these things is not like the others.

 

[GeauxTigers]

Surprised to see K State make as big of a jump as they did.

Why? They beat the #5 team at their place. Jumping up five slots doesn't seem like a huge jump.

I'm more surprised they jumped 8 spots in the AP poll. The Coaches' Poll never feels like a good barometer since it's not like the coaches watch near as many of games as the writers do. There's an inherent bias in all polls, but at least the writers typically have more to go on.That and I was never sold on OU being a top 5 team whatsoever (preseason and especially so after struggling with UTEP).

OU was overrated to begin with.

Just too many injuries and suspensions for OU to be a contender this year, plus it seems like Landry Jones has regressed.

He really misses Broyles.

 

[bagger]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.

and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

lolbama is legit #1 but after that no other sec team is better than oregon, fsu, or k state, and possibly notre dame, and clemson.

the sec doesnt even have 4 of the top 10 schools, let alone the top 6.

theyre still the best conference so no need to spit out your binky and cry.

One of these things is not like the others.

because they have one loss they automatically cannot be better than s carolina? k.

 

[Slapdash]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

Oregon, K-State, Stanford, FSU, and Notre Dame (ick) should probably all be ahead of Georgia and South Carolina at this point. WV would be debatable too.

I would say they are about the same.

Sure. We'll find out a lot about these teams over the coming weeks. Just saying most of those teams have already overcome a big opponent so far while UGA and SC haven't

 

[Moe.]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.

and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

lolbama is legit #1 but after that no other sec team is better than oregon, fsu, or k state, and possibly notre dame, and clemson.

the sec doesnt even have 4 of the top 10 schools, let alone the top 6.

theyre still the best conference so no need to spit out your binky and cry.

One of these things is not like the others.

because they have one loss they automatically cannot be better than s carolina? k.

Well the good news there is that they'll actually play, so no point in arguing about it now really. Everything will play itself out as usual.

 

[GeauxTigers]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

lolbama is legit #1 but after that no other sec team is better than oregon, fsu, or k state, and possibly notre dame, and clemson....forgot aout wvu too.the sec doesnt even have 4 of the top 10 schools, let alone the top 6.theyre still the best conference so no need to spit out your binky and cry.

You keep thinking that biggen. I like when LSU is an underdog.

 

[The Commish]

My new top 25, thoguhts:1.Alabama2.LSU3.Stanford4.Georgia5.Oregon6.Florida State7.West Virginia8.Kansas State9.Notre Dame10.South Carolina11.Florida12.Texas13.TCU14.USC15.Ohio State16.Mississippi State17.Oregon St.18.Clemson19.Oklahoma20.Louisville21.Rutgers22.Ohio23.Northwestern24.Baylor25.UCLAJust missed; Michigan State, Nebraska, Virginia Tech, Boise State

It's all very subjective, especially this early, but I think you're missing the boat on Oregon. People are paying too much attention to their style of play and not enough attention to how unbelievably good they are. It's not a gimmick, it's the most dangerous offense in the country. If they play average defense, we'll see them in the NCG and they might win it. I would have them in the top 2 for now.

The scheme isn't much different than what RR does. The gimmick part is the pace. They hope to wear you down which allows their speed to be even more of a factor. However, their offense has never been a question for me. To me it's the defense and what the defense can/can't do to teams they'd likely face in the "championship" game. For instance, if they played Alabama, I'm willing to bet that Alabama cuts that defense like hot knife through butter. It WILL take Alabama longer to wear them out, but they'd be in no hurry and be perfectly fine with 10-15 play drives lining up and running the ball taking 6-8 minutes off the clock per possession. Until Oregon shows they can line up and stop a power running game, I'll remain very skeptical of Oregon being legit for the "championship" discussion. Problem is, they won't run into a team like Alabama anywhere on their schedule. Stanford and USC are the closest thing they play against but USC just doesn't have the depth and Stanford doesn't have the types of players necessary.

 

[GeauxTigers]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

Oregon, K-State, Stanford, FSU, and Notre Dame (ick) should probably all be ahead of Georgia and South Carolina at this point. WV would be debatable too.

I would say they are about the same.

Sure. We'll find out a lot about these teams over the coming weeks. Just saying most of those teams have already overcome a big opponent so far while UGA and SC haven't

Really? They both beat Missouri handily by 20 points. Missouri beat a good Arizona State team.

 

[Slapdash]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.

and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

lolbama is legit #1 but after that no other sec team is better than oregon, fsu, or k state, and possibly notre dame, and clemson.

the sec doesnt even have 4 of the top 10 schools, let alone the top 6.

theyre still the best conference so no need to spit out your binky and cry.

One of these things is not like the others.

because they have one loss they automatically cannot be better than s carolina? k.

If you're trying to put a list together on what teams have actually done this year, Clemson doesn't belong in the conversation for the top teams. They have lost the only challenge they've faced. I would have made the same comment if you had mentioned similar teams that stumbled like Oklahoma and Southern Cal.This isn't about SC who shouldn't be in that conversation either.

 

[GeauxTigers]

The scheme isn't much different than what RR does. The gimmick part is the pace. They hope to wear you down which allows their speed to be even more of a factor. However, their offense has never been a question for me. To me it's the defense and what the defense can/can't do to teams they'd likely face in the "championship" game. For instance, if they played Alabama, I'm willing to bet that Alabama cuts that defense like hot knife through butter. It WILL take Alabama longer to wear them out, but they'd be in no hurry and be perfectly fine with 10-15 play drives lining up and running the ball taking 6-8 minutes off the clock per possession. Until Oregon shows they can line up and stop a power running game, I'll remain very skeptical of Oregon being legit for the "championship" discussion. Problem is, they won't run into a team like Alabama anywhere on their schedule. Stanford and USC are the closest thing they play against but USC just doesn't have the depth and Stanford doesn't have the types of players necessary.

We'll see how they do against Standford.

 

[gump]

Texas not getting a lot of love....guess we'll see soon enough with OSU, WVU, and OU the next 3 weeks.

 

[Slapdash]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

Oregon, K-State, Stanford, FSU, and Notre Dame (ick) should probably all be ahead of Georgia and South Carolina at this point. WV would be debatable too.

I would say they are about the same.

Sure. We'll find out a lot about these teams over the coming weeks. Just saying most of those teams have already overcome a big opponent so far while UGA and SC haven't

Really? They both beat Missouri handily by 20 points. Missouri beat a good Arizona State team.

I don't think Mizzou is in the same class as Oklahoma, Michigan, Michigan State, Clemson, and Southern Cal. All of those wins are clearly more impressive, IMO.

 

[GeauxTigers]

Texas not getting a lot of love....guess we'll see soon enough with OSU, WVU, and OU the next 3 weeks.

WVU comes to Austin. That will be a good game.

 

[Slapdash]

Texas not getting a lot of love....guess we'll see soon enough with OSU, WVU, and OU the next 3 weeks.

They're are a lot of really exciting matchups in the coming weeks for all of these teams against highly ranked opponents, save FSU perhaps.

 

[GDogg]

C'mon! UCLA has changed from the powder blue!

They've been wearing "true" blue for several years now.

 

[cheese]

My new top 25, thoguhts:

1.Alabama

2.LSU

3.Stanford

4.Georgia

5.Oregon

6.Florida State

7.West Virginia

8.Kansas State

9.Notre Dame

10.South Carolina

11.Florida

12.Texas

13.TCU

14.USC

15.Ohio State

16.Mississippi State

17.Oregon St.

18.Clemson

19.Oklahoma

20.Louisville

21.Rutgers

22.Ohio

23.Northwestern

24.Baylor

25.UCLA

Just missed; Michigan State, Nebraska, Virginia Tech, Boise State

It's all very subjective, especially this early, but I think you're missing the boat on Oregon. People are paying too much attention to their style of play and not enough attention to how unbelievably good they are. It's not a gimmick, it's the most dangerous offense in the country. If they play average defense, we'll see them in the NCG and they might win it. I would have them in the top 2 for now.

The scheme isn't much different than what RR does. The gimmick part is the pace. They hope to wear you down which allows their speed to be even more of a factor. However, their offense has never been a question for me. To me it's the defense and what the defense can/can't do to teams they'd likely face in the "championship" game. For instance, if they played Alabama, I'm willing to bet that Alabama cuts that defense like hot knife through butter. It WILL take Alabama longer to wear them out, but they'd be in no hurry and be perfectly fine with 10-15 play drives lining up and running the ball taking 6-8 minutes off the clock per possession. Until Oregon shows they can line up and stop a power running game, I'll remain very skeptical of Oregon being legit for the "championship" discussion. Problem is, they won't run into a team like Alabama anywhere on their schedule. Stanford and USC are the closest thing they play against but USC just doesn't have the depth and Stanford doesn't have the types of players necessary.

Stanford is more of a power running team than almost anybody, probably even more so than Alabama. They're going to score too many points though and I don't think Stanford can keep up. I'm not saying they'll definitely beat Alabama by any means, but they were inches away from winning the title from Cam's Auburn team with worse players running a similar offense. Auburn's running game was excellent that year. It's one game that they could win and I think they'll get there to find out.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

This sounds like the same discussion we've had about Oregon every year for the past 7 years. What makes this year's team different from all those other teams that were "it's different this year".

A bunch of fast guys running the spread option with an athletic QB and a weak defense.

Auburn was by far the worst and least physical of all the defenses that the SEC has put into the title game during this run and Oregon couldn't even handle that.

 

[GeauxTigers]

This sounds like the same discussion we've had about Oregon every year for the past 7 years. What makes this year's team different from all those other teams that were "it's different this year".

A bunch of fast guys running the spread option with an athletic QB and a weak defense.

Auburn was by far the worst and least physical of all the defenses that the SEC has put into the title game during this run and Oregon couldn't even handle that.

Because now they have a legit QB who can run the system.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Surprised to see K State make as big of a jump as they did.

Why? They beat the #5 team at their place. Jumping up five slots doesn't seem like a huge jump.

I'm more surprised they jumped 8 spots in the AP poll. The Coaches' Poll never feels like a good barometer since it's not like the coaches watch near as many of games as the writers do. There's an inherent bias in all polls, but at least the writers typically have more to go on.That and I was never sold on OU being a top 5 team whatsoever (preseason and especially so after struggling with UTEP).

OU was overrated to begin with.

Just too many injuries and suspensions for OU to be a contender this year, plus it seems like Landry Jones has regressed.

He really misses Broyles.

He also misses the three suspended receivers and needs to adjust his release point because every damn ball he throws is too high. This team has trouble up front on both sides of the ball though, that is really where their problems are most acute. Gonna be a long year.

 

[GDogg]

No mention of Old Dominion over the weekend? 730 yards in passing for the QB, breaking Klingler's old record. 79 passing attempts. Who throws the ball 79 times in a single game?

David Piland, Houston's QB, threw the ball 77 times against Louisiana Tech two weeks ago before Houston played UCLA. So, I guess the answer is nobody, but Houston QBs are not afraid to throw it 70+ times.

 

[Slapdash]

No mention of Old Dominion over the weekend? 730 yards in passing for the QB, breaking Klingler's old record. 79 passing attempts. Who throws the ball 79 times in a single game?

David Piland, Houston's QB, threw the ball 77 times against Louisiana Tech two weeks ago before Houston played UCLA. So, I guess the answer is nobody, but Houston QBs are not afraid to throw it 70+ times.

Houston is always a fun team to watch.

 

[The Commish]

The scheme isn't much different than what RR does. The gimmick part is the pace. They hope to wear you down which allows their speed to be even more of a factor. However, their offense has never been a question for me. To me it's the defense and what the defense can/can't do to teams they'd likely face in the "championship" game. For instance, if they played Alabama, I'm willing to bet that Alabama cuts that defense like hot knife through butter. It WILL take Alabama longer to wear them out, but they'd be in no hurry and be perfectly fine with 10-15 play drives lining up and running the ball taking 6-8 minutes off the clock per possession. Until Oregon shows they can line up and stop a power running game, I'll remain very skeptical of Oregon being legit for the "championship" discussion. Problem is, they won't run into a team like Alabama anywhere on their schedule. Stanford and USC are the closest thing they play against but USC just doesn't have the depth and Stanford doesn't have the types of players necessary.

We'll see how they do against Standford.

As we will against USC. Stanford won't have the speed and USC won't have the depth that an Alabama would have. Couple that with the progression of the QB position and I give Oregon even less of a chance of beating Alabama than years past.

 

[The Commish]

my two comments are there is no way in hell that the sec has 4 of the top 6 teams in the country.and secondly stanford is not close to being a top 10 team. they are the biggest fraud in the pac 12 only because they beat the 2nd biggest fraud in the pac 12 usc.

OK guy. Name me 5 teams that are better than S. Carolina, Georgia, LSU and Bama.

Oregon, K-State, Stanford, FSU, and Notre Dame (ick) should probably all be ahead of Georgia and South Carolina at this point. WV would be debatable too.

I would say they are about the same.

Sure. We'll find out a lot about these teams over the coming weeks. Just saying most of those teams have already overcome a big opponent so far while UGA and SC haven't

Really? They both beat Missouri handily by 20 points. Missouri beat a good Arizona State team.

I don't think Mizzou is in the same class as Oklahoma, Michigan, Michigan State, Clemson, and Southern Cal. All of those wins are clearly more impressive, IMO.

A win against that Michigan team isn't something to hang your hat on IMO. They will continue to get better, and I see it happening already, but the team at the end of the year won't look anything like the one that showed up in Jerry World. That was just pathetic.

 

[The Commish]

My new top 25, thoguhts:

1.Alabama

2.LSU

3.Stanford

4.Georgia

5.Oregon

6.Florida State

7.West Virginia

8.Kansas State

9.Notre Dame

10.South Carolina

11.Florida

12.Texas

13.TCU

14.USC

15.Ohio State

16.Mississippi State

17.Oregon St.

18.Clemson

19.Oklahoma

20.Louisville

21.Rutgers

22.Ohio

23.Northwestern

24.Baylor

25.UCLA

Just missed; Michigan State, Nebraska, Virginia Tech, Boise State

It's all very subjective, especially this early, but I think you're missing the boat on Oregon. People are paying too much attention to their style of play and not enough attention to how unbelievably good they are. It's not a gimmick, it's the most dangerous offense in the country. If they play average defense, we'll see them in the NCG and they might win it. I would have them in the top 2 for now.

The scheme isn't much different than what RR does. The gimmick part is the pace. They hope to wear you down which allows their speed to be even more of a factor. However, their offense has never been a question for me. To me it's the defense and what the defense can/can't do to teams they'd likely face in the "championship" game. For instance, if they played Alabama, I'm willing to bet that Alabama cuts that defense like hot knife through butter. It WILL take Alabama longer to wear them out, but they'd be in no hurry and be perfectly fine with 10-15 play drives lining up and running the ball taking 6-8 minutes off the clock per possession. Until Oregon shows they can line up and stop a power running game, I'll remain very skeptical of Oregon being legit for the "championship" discussion. Problem is, they won't run into a team like Alabama anywhere on their schedule. Stanford and USC are the closest thing they play against but USC just doesn't have the depth and Stanford doesn't have the types of players necessary.

Stanford is more of a power running team than almost anybody, probably even more so than Alabama. They're going to score too many points though and I don't think Stanford can keep up. I'm not saying they'll definitely beat Alabama by any means, but they were inches away from winning the title from Cam's Auburn team with worse players running a similar offense. Auburn's running game was excellent that year. It's one game that they could win and I think they'll get there to find out.

I should make something clear here. I'm assuming Alabama is going to get better over the course of the year (as I am Oregon). The reality is, that Alabama running game in week one of this season blew what Auburn put on the field at the END of their season and the defenses aren't close if I remember Auburn correctly. The trenches aren't even close and Alabama's only going to get better as the year goes on. Of course I'm of the belief that anything COULD happen, but it's not likely IMO, especially if they continue to get better and better.

 

[fasteddie_21]

This sounds like the same discussion we've had about Oregon every year for the past 7 years. What makes this year's team different from all those other teams that were "it's different this year". A bunch of fast guys running the spread option with an athletic QB and a weak defense.Auburn was by far the worst and least physical of all the defenses that the SEC has put into the title game during this run and Oregon couldn't even handle that.

I'm confused by the "weak defense" part here. They just shut out a team avg. over 45 pts a game and the starters have allowed a single TD thru 4 games. Or are you just assuming from past seasons?

 

[GDogg]

This sounds like the same discussion we've had about Oregon every year for the past 7 years. What makes this year's team different from all those other teams that were "it's different this year". A bunch of fast guys running the spread option with an athletic QB and a weak defense.Auburn was by far the worst and least physical of all the defenses that the SEC has put into the title game during this run and Oregon couldn't even handle that.

I'm confused by the "weak defense" part here. They just shut out a team avg. over 45 pts a game and the starters have allowed a single TD thru 4 games. Or are you just assuming from past seasons?

I think he's going by past seasons, but I don't want to speak for him.I don't know if Oregon's defense is "weak" or not. And, while I think I agree with you that they are vastly improved over previous years, I'm not sure the Ducks learned much about their defense in the first three weeks of the season against Arkansas St., Fresno St., and Tennessee Tech. The performance against Arizona is good, but on the flip side, Arizona is in the first season of Rich Rod's scheme.Again, I'm not saying they are weak, but I think the jury is still out when you look at their schedule. I'd lean toward the performance against Arizona as being very good, but we'll have to see how Arizona progresses.