*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (2 Viewers)

[jb1020]

Pretty sure Mullen and Foley have some deep rooted hatred for each other.

Where do you get that from?

Not saying it isn't true, just never heard anything like that.

From when Mullen took the MSU job back in 2008...supposedly Foley told him is was a bad career move. I guess "deep rooted hatred" might have been an exaggeration.

 

[hagmania]

FSU

Marshall

Alabama

Miss St

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Pretty sure Mullen and Foley have some deep rooted hatred for each other.

Where do you get that from?

Not saying it isn't true, just never heard anything like that.

From when Mullen took the MSU job back in 2008...supposedly Foley told him is was a bad career move. I guess "deep rooted hatred" might have been an exaggeration.

Meyer told him not to take the as well.

 

[Premier]

Alabama

FSU

Oregon

Miss State

Ohio State

TCU

Baylor

Georgia

Ole Miss

Don't care - Michigan State?

I would not be floored to see OSU at 4.

 

[RUSF18]

@ESPNCFB: Sources: Jameis Winston items not validated » http://t.co/DidEVxNbUG http://t.co/6DAk22988B

ooh that coffee's hot

I saw through Rovell that the authentication company is considered "top 2" in the industry. There could really just be three players for all I know, but assuming they are a sizeable enough company where an allegation that they verified all these "fake" signatures could basically destroy their business it will be interesting to see what their response is.

 

[GDogg]

I guess you guys were right. UCLA has no shot at the top 4 if they win out and win the Pac 12 title.

 

[GDogg]

Alabama

Oregon

Florida State

Miss State

TCU

Ohio state

Baylor

Ole Miss

UCLA

Georgia

 

[Premier]

I like that they left Clemson ranked. Paying attention that their QB is gone.

At the least they recognize that was a different team when FSU played them.

 

[gump]

Bama 'clearly' #1...semi in NOLA is a lock, which is big for this team.

 

[Mark Davis]

Bama 'clearly' #1...semi in NOLA is a lock, which is big for this team.

Yep I agree. I thought the worst thing for Alabama would have been to be sent to the Rose Bowl to play Oregon.

 

[Premier]

I wouldn't call any team a lock at this point.

 

[got_nugs]

I miss the BCS.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I miss the BCS.

Bowl Alliance forever baby!

 

[Premier]

@Corey_Clark: If FSU falls just 2 more spots, it can avoid the playoff and just claim the AP and USA Today national championship. Auburn style.

This doesn't sound too bad actually.

 

[gump]

I wouldn't call any team a lock at this point.

If they win out, the chance of ending at 3 is now gone.

 

[Tom Servo]

Alabama

Oregon

FSU

Miss. St.

TCU

OSU

Baylor

Ole Miss

3 SEC teams in the top 8. Kinda surprised OSU jumped Baylor.

 

[Mark Davis]

I wouldn't call any team a lock at this point.

If they win out, the chance of ending at 3 is now gone.

Do you think it's 4 and vs Bama? If MSU holds I wouldn't be shocked to see it stay as is to avoid the SEC vs SEC possibility for the championship. Oregon is obviously going to the Rose if they win out. Although there may be some thought you send MSU out there bc that's the farthest to travel and FSU wouldn't have lost.

 

[Premier]

All I know is, is that I definitely don't need to see that Alabama - Miss St game again.

 

[Tom Servo]

All I know is, is that I definitely don't need to see that Alabama - Miss St game again.

Thanks for sharing that.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

 

[wadegarrett]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Yeah but he stole crab legs...so...

 

[GoFishTN]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Who cares if teams are "usually" good? That's the problem with this whole thing anyway.

 

[Premier]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Oregon lost at home as a 3-TD favorite. Bama beat unranked Arkansas by 1 and unranked LSU in OT. All these teams have warts. It's crazy to me that people see Bama as this unbeatable monster this year.

Bama is definitely being carried by the perception of the SEC and I guess that's ok. They've earned it over the years. It'll play itself out in the end.

 

[Slapdash]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Not sure what the reputation of programs has to do with their strength of schedule this year.

 

[Premier]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Not sure what the reputation of programs has to do with their strength of schedule this year.

LSU. Texas A&M. Goes both ways.

 

[Slapdash]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Not sure what the reputation of programs has to do with their strength of schedule this year.

LSU. Texas A&M. Goes both ways.

Yes, talking about the 5th and 6th best teams in the SEC West is certainty the same thing.

 

[Premier]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Not sure what the reputation of programs has to do with their strength of schedule this year.

LSU. Texas A&M. Goes both ways.

Yes, talking about the 5th and 6th best teams in the SEC West is certainty the same thing.

I think the original point was that FSU challenged itself OOC this year. Not really their fault those teams all #### the bed.

 

[AAABatteries]

I'm sure someone's posted this a while back but how great will New Years Eve and New Years Day be? I can remember how great New Years Day was years ago but this will be insane.

12/31/14 - Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl

Host Bowl East

12/31/14 - Fiesta Bowl

Host Bowl West

12/31/14 - Orange Bowl

ACC vs. Big Ten/SEC or Notre Dame

01/01/15 - Cotton Bowl

Host Bowl

01/01/15 - Rose Bowl

Semifinal Game

01/01/15 - Sugar Bowl

Semifinal Game

01/12/15 - College Football Championship Game

AT&T Stadium, Arlington, TX

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Not sure what the reputation of programs has to do with their strength of schedule this year.

They scheduled great teams. It's not their fault ND lost to Northwestern and Oklahoma St stinks all of a sudden. They scheduled a ####load better than anyone else in the P5 and it's not even close.

 

[Slapdash]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Not sure what the reputation of programs has to do with their strength of schedule this year.

They scheduled great teams. It's not their fault ND lost to Northwestern and Oklahoma St stinks all of a sudden. They scheduled a ####load better than anyone else in the P5 and it's not even close.

So they should be ranked higher because they wanted to have a better schedule than they actually ended up having?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Not sure what the reputation of programs has to do with their strength of schedule this year.

They scheduled great teams. It's not their fault ND lost to Northwestern and Oklahoma St stinks all of a sudden. They scheduled a ####load better than anyone else in the P5 and it's not even close.

So they should be ranked higher because they wanted to have a better schedule than they actually ended up having?

You're twisting words around. They should be ranked higher because they are the only undefeated team and they scheduled a damn good schedule and have some nice wins. But you know all of this already.

Yes you should get some credit for trying to schedule good games and not be penalized because some other team sucks when you thought they would be good. That's what is so ####ed up about college football still.

 

[Slapdash]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Not sure what the reputation of programs has to do with their strength of schedule this year.

They scheduled great teams. It's not their fault ND lost to Northwestern and Oklahoma St stinks all of a sudden. They scheduled a ####load better than anyone else in the P5 and it's not even close.

So they should be ranked higher because they wanted to have a better schedule than they actually ended up having?

You're twisting words around. They should be ranked higher becausethey are the only undefeated team and they scheduled a damn good schedule and have some nice wins. But you know all of this already.

Yes you should get some credit for trying to schedule good games and not be penalized because some other team sucks when you thought they would be good. That's what is so ####ed up about college football still.

You're the one saying their intended schedule is a reason they should be ranked higher. I don't think that should matter. What matters is how good the teams they actually end up playing are.

 

[GDogg]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Not sure what the reputation of programs has to do with their strength of schedule this year.

They scheduled great teams. It's not their fault ND lost to Northwestern and Oklahoma St stinks all of a sudden. They scheduled a ####load better than anyone else in the P5 and it's not even close.

Haha! It's not their fault, but they didn't schedule better. They aren't close at all. They didn't even do the best in their own conference.

 

[GDogg]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Not sure what the reputation of programs has to do with their strength of schedule this year.

They scheduled great teams. It's not their fault ND lost to Northwestern and Oklahoma St stinks all of a sudden. They scheduled a ####load better than anyone else in the P5 and it's not even close.

So they should be ranked higher because they wanted to have a better schedule than they actually ended up having?

You're twisting words around. They should be ranked higher because they are the only undefeated team and they scheduled a damn good schedule and have some nice wins. But you know all of this already.

Yes you should get some credit for trying to schedule good games and not be penalized because some other team sucks when you thought they would be good. That's what is so ####ed up about college football still.

They have a decent schedule. But, it's in the bottom half of the ranked teams, unfortunately for them.

 

[Joe T]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Yes

 

[timschochet]

All I know is, is that I definitely don't need to see that Alabama - Miss St game again.

when Alabama is at their best they remind me of Floyd Mayweather: they turn every game into the same thing: methodical on offense, and a defense that you can't score on. It's boring football, but I'd never pick against them.

 

[Tom Servo]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Not sure what the reputation of programs has to do with their strength of schedule this year.

They scheduled great teams. It's not their fault ND lost to Northwestern and Oklahoma St stinks all of a sudden. They scheduled a ####load better than anyone else in the P5 and it's not even close.

So they should be ranked higher because they wanted to have a better schedule than they actually ended up having?

You're twisting words around. They should be ranked higher becausethey are the only undefeated team and they scheduled a damn good schedule and have some nice wins. But you know all of this already.

Yes you should get some credit for trying to schedule good games and not be penalized because some other team sucks when you thought they would be good. That's what is so ####ed up about college football still.

You're the one saying their intended schedule is a reason they should be ranked higher. I don't think that should matter. What matters is how good the teams they actually end up playing are.

I'll give anybody an A for effort, but if the teams scheduled ended up being crappy, well...

 

[Tom Servo]

Realistically, teams should not be ranked by reputation, but by what they do on the field.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Not sure what the reputation of programs has to do with their strength of schedule this year.

They scheduled great teams. It's not their fault ND lost to Northwestern and Oklahoma St stinks all of a sudden. They scheduled a ####load better than anyone else in the P5 and it's not even close.

So they should be ranked higher because they wanted to have a better schedule than they actually ended up having?

You're twisting words around. They should be ranked higher becausethey are the only undefeated team and they scheduled a damn good schedule and have some nice wins. But you know all of this already.

Yes you should get some credit for trying to schedule good games and not be penalized because some other team sucks when you thought they would be good. That's what is so ####ed up about college football still.

You're the one saying their intended schedule is a reason they should be ranked higher. I don't think that should matter. What matters is how good the teams they actually end up playing are.

What you're basically saying is the SEC should be ranked higher because of conference reputation.

I get SOS but it's stupid because games are scheduled years in advance and no one remotely plays the same schedule if they are in a different conferences. You have to admit a system where teams have rely on the performance of other teams they scheduled years ago is still a ####ty system.

 

[Tom Servo]

I get SOS but it's stupid because games are scheduled years in advance and no one remotely plays the same schedule if they are in a different conferences. You have to admit a system where teams have rely on the performance of other teams they scheduled years ago is still a ####ty system.

It works for determining high school playoffs. For example, in District 9 of PIAA, the single A (lowest enrollment) is based on the teams in two different conferences in two separate levels. The two conferences do not play against each other, yet the SOS determined by PIAA determines who gets in. You get so much for a win, so much for a win against an opponent above your level, so much for the wins of your defeated opponents, etc. IIRC it also determines seeding with the exception that the league champions alternate years being the 1 seed.

 

[gump]

I wouldn't call any team a lock at this point.

If they win out, the chance of ending at 3 is now gone.

Do you think it's 4 and vs Bama? If MSU holds I wouldn't be shocked to see it stay as is to avoid the SEC vs SEC possibility for the championship. Oregon is obviously going to the Rose if they win out. Although there may be some thought you send MSU out there bc that's the farthest to travel and FSU wouldn't have lost.

I do think we stay 1...but doubt MSU stays there. Bama-OSU would be a ratings bonanza.

 

[gump]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Oregon lost at home as a 3-TD favorite. Bama beat unranked Arkansas by 1 and unranked LSU in OT. All these teams have warts. It's crazy to me that people see Bama as this unbeatable monster this year.

Bama is definitely being carried by the perception of the SEC and I guess that's ok. They've earned it over the years. It'll play itself out in the end.

A month ago the Bama program was dead...and Malzahn and Freeze were the new bosses.

 

[Tiger Fan]

@Corey_Clark: If FSU falls just 2 more spots, it can avoid the playoff and just claim the AP and USA Today national championship. Auburn style.

This doesn't sound too bad actually.

Think Corey means USC style

 

[hagmania]

Gameday is at Harvard-Yale? That's awesome. College football is just the best.

 

[Premier]

Gameday is at Harvard-Yale? That's awesome. College football is just the best.

It really is.

What I am curious about is whether they are going to fly Fowler-Herbie all the way out West for the USC/UCLA 8:00 game. That would be quite a hike for a mediocre game.

 

[hagmania]

Gameday is at Harvard-Yale? That's awesome. College football is just the best.

It really is. What I am curious about is whether they are going to fly Fowler-Herbie all the way out West for the USC/UCLA 8:00 game. That would be quite a hike for a mediocre game.

Herbie said Mizzou-UT this AM

 

[Slapdash]

So FSU is the only P5 that is undefeated? They have non-conference games against Notre Dame, Florida, and Oklahoma St (all usually very good teams). They beat Louisville and Miami on the road. They beat Clemson at full strength without Jameis. And they are #3? This is better than the old systems?

Not sure what the reputation of programs has to do with their strength of schedule this year.

They scheduled great teams. It's not their fault ND lost to Northwestern and Oklahoma St stinks all of a sudden. They scheduled a ####load better than anyone else in the P5 and it's not even close.

So they should be ranked higher because they wanted to have a better schedule than they actually ended up having?

You're twisting words around. They should be ranked higher becausethey are the only undefeated team and they scheduled a damn good schedule and have some nice wins. But you know all of this already.

Yes you should get some credit for trying to schedule good games and not be penalized because some other team sucks when you thought they would be good. That's what is so ####ed up about college football still.

You're the one saying their intended schedule is a reason they should be ranked higher. I don't think that should matter. What matters is how good the teams they actually end up playing are.

What you're basically saying is the SEC should be ranked higher because of conference reputation.

I get SOS but it's stupid because games are scheduled years in advance and no one remotely plays the same schedule if they are in a different conferences. You have to admit a system where teams have rely on the performance of other teams they scheduled years ago is still a ####ty system.

I'm not arguing anything about the SEC. I think FSU should be ranked #1 anyways. I'm just saying that talking about the strength of schedule they meant to have as a reason to rank them higher is meaningless. The strength of schedule they actually have is quite poor.

However, it doesn't matter because they are the only undefeated P5 team. That trumps a one loss team with a better schedule, even if they haven't looked good doing it. Going undefeated is really damn hard.

This whole committee thing is the real mistake. They are going to be prone to biases and the influence of TV ratings much more than the BCS.

 

[The Commish]

They are going to be prone to biases and the influence of TV ratings much more than the BCS.

I'm not sure this is possible. The BCS was the epitome of all things prone to bias, from the preseason rankings all the way to the complete reliance on human polls.

 

[Tom Servo]

They are going to be prone to biases and the influence of TV ratings much more than the BCS.

I'm not sure this is possible. The BCS was the epitome of all things prone to bias, from the preseason rankings all the way to the complete reliance on human polls.

THIS. I think the committee is a lot closer to an ideal situation, because of recusals and the like. The size is unknown to me, but whatever that law is about being large enough to buy 2 pizzas for them sounds good to me.

 

[dparker713]

They are going to be prone to biases and the influence of TV ratings much more than the BCS.

I'm not sure this is possible. The BCS was the epitome of all things prone to bias, from the preseason rankings all the way to the complete reliance on human polls.

THIS. I think the committee is a lot closer to an ideal situation, because of recusals and the like. The size is unknown to me, but whatever that law is about being large enough to buy 2 pizzas for them sounds good to me.

We used to order 1 pizza per person in college, so I'll get someone to sit with me in a room while I make the list.