*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (4 Viewers)

[timschochet]

Gameday is at Harvard-Yale? That's awesome. College football is just the best.

It really is. What I am curious about is whether they are going to fly Fowler-Herbie all the way out West for the USC/UCLA 8:00 game. That would be quite a hike for a mediocre game.

#### that ####! You're talking about the greatest rivalry in all of college football . And if should be very entertaining as well .

 

[Slapdash]

They are going to be prone to biases and the influence of TV ratings much more than the BCS.

I'm not sure this is possible. The BCS was the epitome of all things prone to bias, from the preseason rankings all the way to the complete reliance on human polls.

It is just a smaller poll. Just as biased as the past, but bias is worse with a smaller sample.

 

[gump]

They are going to be prone to biases and the influence of TV ratings much more than the BCS.

I'm not sure this is possible. The BCS was the epitome of all things prone to bias, from the preseason rankings all the way to the complete reliance on human polls.

It is just a smaller poll. Just as biased as the past, but bias is worse with a smaller sample.

You have obviously forgotten about the INJURY ANALYSIS!!!

 

[GoFishTN]

Gameday is at Harvard-Yale? That's awesome. College football is just the best.

It really is.What I am curious about is whether they are going to fly Fowler-Herbie all the way out West for the USC/UCLA 8:00 game. That would be quite a hike for a mediocre game.

#### that ####! You're talking about the greatest rivalry in all of college football . And if should be very entertaining as well .

Does your hyperbole know any bounds?

 

[The Commish]

They are going to be prone to biases and the influence of TV ratings much more than the BCS.

I'm not sure this is possible. The BCS was the epitome of all things prone to bias, from the preseason rankings all the way to the complete reliance on human polls.

It is just a smaller poll. Just as biased as the past, but bias is worse with a smaller sample.

I'm not confident this is true. Not sure we'll ever be able to know if it's true since they don't provide us preseason rankings like the old system. There's plenty of evidence in the BCS that people were not willing to admit they were way off base. Polls early in the year carried as much weight as those near the end. That's a big difference already between what the BCS was and what the committee is. To be clear, I'm not suggesting they are bias free. They aren't, but I believe the simple fact that they wait until October to release initial rankings is a point in favor of the committee over the BCS. This committee certainly isn't afraid to move teams many spots up or down one week to the next. We never really saw that consistently in the BCS era and prior. It also doesn't seem to matter much when a loss is suffered either.

 

[Jayded]

I like that the committee is placing an emphasis on SOS. I do think there's good debate to the FSU situation in that it is really difficult to go undefeated in a P5 schedule. What I do appreciate, though, is that they will hold FSU to it's actual SOS rather than presumptive SOS. If they lose, and they have a weaker schedule than another one loss team, they should be out (No matter whether ND, Fla, etc should have been better or not).

This year's ND schedule looked ridiculous at season's beginning and presumed to be top 5 in SOS: Michigan, Stanford, FSU, Arizona State, USC. FSU and ASU are living up to billing but the rest really underperformed and the SOS has fallen to 46 currently.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I like that the committee is placing an emphasis on SOS. I do think there's good debate to the FSU situation in that it is really difficult to go undefeated in a P5 schedule. What I do appreciate, though, is that they will hold FSU to it's actual SOS rather than presumptive SOS. If they lose, and they have a weaker schedule than another one loss team, they should be out (No matter whether ND, Fla, etc should have been better or not).

This year's ND schedule looked ridiculous at season's beginning and presumed to be top 5 in SOS: Michigan, Stanford, FSU, Arizona State, USC. FSU and ASU are living up to billing but the rest really underperformed and the SOS has fallen to 46 currently.

I get what you're trying to say but any system that penalizes people for others results starts with stupid in the first place.

If FSU loses that's a whole different discussion. I don't think anyone would argue they should be #1 if they lose to whoever they play this week, Florida, or Duke/GT.

 

[timschochet]

Gameday is at Harvard-Yale? That's awesome. College football is just the best.

It really is.What I am curious about is whether they are going to fly Fowler-Herbie all the way out West for the USC/UCLA 8:00 game. That would be quite a hike for a mediocre game.

#### that ####! You're talking about the greatest rivalry in all of college football . And if should be very entertaining as well .

Does your hyperbole know any bounds?

if it did, it wouldn't be hyperbolic would it?

 

[Tom Servo]

Gameday is at Harvard-Yale? That's awesome. College football is just the best.

It really is.What I am curious about is whether they are going to fly Fowler-Herbie all the way out West for the USC/UCLA 8:00 game. That would be quite a hike for a mediocre game.

#### that ####! You're talking about the greatest rivalry in all of college football CALIFORNIA. And if should be very entertaining as well .

FYP

 

[CBusAlex]

I can't say I agree with it, but on some level I do have to admire the committee's steadfast refusal to acknowledge that Marshall even exists.

 

[Jayded]

I like that the committee is placing an emphasis on SOS. I do think there's good debate to the FSU situation in that it is really difficult to go undefeated in a P5 schedule. What I do appreciate, though, is that they will hold FSU to it's actual SOS rather than presumptive SOS. If they lose, and they have a weaker schedule than another one loss team, they should be out (No matter whether ND, Fla, etc should have been better or not).

This year's ND schedule looked ridiculous at season's beginning and presumed to be top 5 in SOS: Michigan, Stanford, FSU, Arizona State, USC. FSU and ASU are living up to billing but the rest really underperformed and the SOS has fallen to 46 currently.

I get what you're trying to say but any system that penalizes people for others results starts with stupid in the first place.

If FSU loses that's a whole different discussion. I don't think anyone would argue they should be #1 if they lose to whoever they play this week, Florida, or Duke/GT.

It's a slippery slope, but difficult since no two teams play the exact same schedule. If you only valued wins and losses then we'd see Marshall a lot higher than they are too (and I know they aren't P5).

The tricky part will always be level setting common record teams against one another. The hardest part of all is making sure prejudice doesn't creep in as much as possible. Imagine a scenario where the SEC has earned a historical reputation of toughness, but has a down year and falls on its face. I want the committee to recognize that the SEC isn't that good that year and maybe the loss in another conference should take president over an SEC loss in a year like that.

 

[gump]

Simulated BCS standings:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BCSKnowHow/status/534102765136801792

From Sunday night...

 

[Slapdash]

They are going to be prone to biases and the influence of TV ratings much more than the BCS.

I'm not sure this is possible. The BCS was the epitome of all things prone to bias, from the preseason rankings all the way to the complete reliance on human polls.

It is just a smaller poll. Just as biased as the past, but bias is worse with a smaller sample.

I'm not confident this is true. Not sure we'll ever be able to know if it's true since they don't provide us preseason rankings like the old system. There's plenty of evidence in the BCS that people were not willing to admit they were way off base. Polls early in the year carried as much weight as those near the end. That's a big difference already between what the BCS was and what the committee is. To be clear, I'm not suggesting they are bias free. They aren't, but I believe the simple fact that they wait until October to release initial rankings is a point in favor of the committee over the BCS. This committee certainly isn't afraid to move teams many spots up or down one week to the next. We never really saw that consistently in the BCS era and prior. It also doesn't seem to matter much when a loss is suffered either.

I'm sure the committee is incorporating the preseason polls in their minds.

 

[fdas2]

Gameday is at Harvard-Yale? That's awesome. College football is just the best.

It really is.What I am curious about is whether they are going to fly Fowler-Herbie all the way out West for the USC/UCLA 8:00 game. That would be quite a hike for a mediocre game.

#### that ####! You're talking about the greatest rivalry in all of college football CALIFORNIA. And if should be very entertaining as well .

FYP

Dodgers/Giants >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UCLA/USC

 

[gump]

http://alabama.247sports.com/Article/Head-Coach-Search-Notes-1119-33073025

UF coaching search notes from GatorBait:

- Brian Kelly trending

- Holliday not a candidate

- Broncos OC Adam Gase added to list

 

[The Commish]

I like that the committee is placing an emphasis on SOS. I do think there's good debate to the FSU situation in that it is really difficult to go undefeated in a P5 schedule. What I do appreciate, though, is that they will hold FSU to it's actual SOS rather than presumptive SOS. If they lose, and they have a weaker schedule than another one loss team, they should be out (No matter whether ND, Fla, etc should have been better or not).

This year's ND schedule looked ridiculous at season's beginning and presumed to be top 5 in SOS: Michigan, Stanford, FSU, Arizona State, USC. FSU and ASU are living up to billing but the rest really underperformed and the SOS has fallen to 46 currently.

You need to take Michigan off your list.

 

[The Commish]

They are going to be prone to biases and the influence of TV ratings much more than the BCS.

I'm not sure this is possible. The BCS was the epitome of all things prone to bias, from the preseason rankings all the way to the complete reliance on human polls.

It is just a smaller poll. Just as biased as the past, but bias is worse with a smaller sample.

I'm not confident this is true. Not sure we'll ever be able to know if it's true since they don't provide us preseason rankings like the old system. There's plenty of evidence in the BCS that people were not willing to admit they were way off base. Polls early in the year carried as much weight as those near the end. That's a big difference already between what the BCS was and what the committee is. To be clear, I'm not suggesting they are bias free. They aren't, but I believe the simple fact that they wait until October to release initial rankings is a point in favor of the committee over the BCS. This committee certainly isn't afraid to move teams many spots up or down one week to the next. We never really saw that consistently in the BCS era and prior. It also doesn't seem to matter much when a loss is suffered either.

I'm sure the committee is incorporating the preseason polls in their minds.

Do you think if we were able to ask the committee to list the preseason AP top 5, they could? I don't. I couldn't tell you. You might be 100% correct....have no idea how you're sure about it though.

 

[GDogg]

They are going to be prone to biases and the influence of TV ratings much more than the BCS.

I'm not sure this is possible. The BCS was the epitome of all things prone to bias, from the preseason rankings all the way to the complete reliance on human polls.

It is just a smaller poll. Just as biased as the past, but bias is worse with a smaller sample.

I'm not confident this is true. Not sure we'll ever be able to know if it's true since they don't provide us preseason rankings like the old system. There's plenty of evidence in the BCS that people were not willing to admit they were way off base. Polls early in the year carried as much weight as those near the end. That's a big difference already between what the BCS was and what the committee is. To be clear, I'm not suggesting they are bias free. They aren't, but I believe the simple fact that they wait until October to release initial rankings is a point in favor of the committee over the BCS. This committee certainly isn't afraid to move teams many spots up or down one week to the next. We never really saw that consistently in the BCS era and prior. It also doesn't seem to matter much when a loss is suffered either.

I'm sure the committee is incorporating the preseason polls in their minds.

Do you think if we were able to ask the committee to list the preseason AP top 5, they could? I don't. I couldn't tell you. You might be 100% correct....have no idea how you're sure about it though.

And, more importantly, since they had no hand in creating the preseason AP top 5, I'm not sure why they'd even think it's beneficial to attempt to incorporate it.

 

[jb1020]

I wouldn't call any team a lock at this point.

If they win out, the chance of ending at 3 is now gone.

Do you think it's 4 and vs Bama? If MSU holds I wouldn't be shocked to see it stay as is to avoid the SEC vs SEC possibility for the championship. Oregon is obviously going to the Rose if they win out. Although there may be some thought you send MSU out there bc that's the farthest to travel and FSU wouldn't have lost.

I do think we stay 1...but doubt MSU stays there. Bama-OSU would be a ratings bonanza.

Not sure if it was a direct quote, but I saw on twitter that some writer quoting a committee member saying the committee was going to avoid a rematch at all possible costs.

Assuming MSU wins out I think they set us up to move to third somehow and play Oregon in the Rose Bowl.

 

[hagmania]

I think Ole Miss will make it easier on the committee.

 

[Quez]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

 

[The Commish]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

If they all win out, then we'll really see if there is any value in conference championships. That's for sure.

 

[gump]

M-m-m-m-m-mACtion!

https://mobile.twitter.com/UBFootball/status/535056358065049601/photo/1

 

[Steve Tasker]

M-m-m-m-m-mACtion!

https://mobile.twitter.com/UBFootball/status/535056358065049601/photo/1

UB vs Kent State postponed because the Kent State equipment truck is stranded and can't make it to the game.

 

[Joe T]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

I think Bama would love to play FSU in round 1.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

Gameday is at Harvard-Yale? That's awesome. College football is just the best.

It really is.What I am curious about is whether they are going to fly Fowler-Herbie all the way out West for the USC/UCLA 8:00 game. That would be quite a hike for a mediocre game.

#### that ####! You're talking about the greatest rivalry in all of college football CALIFORNIA. And if should be very entertaining as well .

FYP

not even the state. Cal-Stanford holds that title.

 

[Moe.]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

If they all win out, then we'll really see if there is any value in conference championships. That's for sure.

Yeah. I am of the opinion that they aren't going to put two SEC teams in no matter what.

 

[gump]

M-m-m-m-m-mACtion!https://mobile.twitter.com/UBFootball/status/535056358065049601/photo/1

UB vs Kent State postponed because the Kent State equipment truck is stranded and can't make it to the game.

 

[Premier]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

I think Bama would love to play FSU in round 1.

We have a better QB than Bo Wallace.

 

[shader]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

I think Bama would love to play FSU in round 1.

I'll take a 20 pt win over a rematch with MSU all day long.

I heard a Vegas handicapper interviewed a couple days Go. Someone asked him if you matched up 2013 FSU against 2014 FSU what the line would be. He said 16!

FSU stinks this year. I'd love to play then first round.

 

[Premier]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

I think Bama would love to play FSU in round 1.

I'll take a 20 pt win over a rematch with MSU all day long.I heard a Vegas handicapper interviewed a couple days Go. Someone asked him if you matched up 2013 FSU against 2014 FSU what the line would be. He said 16!

FSU stinks this year. I'd love to play then first round.

Bama 14, Arkansas 13.

Ole Miss beating Bama.

LSU into overtime.

Tight game against 4-loss WVU.

your team isn't that great either man.

 

[GDogg]

Football Outsiders have thrown out a new stat, "Degree of Difficulty rankings" that attempts to answer the question of, "how difficult would it be for an elite team (two standard deviations better than average) to play a given team's schedule to date and achieve that team's record?," which they think the committee will be trying to value when comparing teams.

My link.

The Top 10:

1. Florida St. (9-0)

2. Alabama (9-1)

3. Oregon (8-1)

4. Mississippi St. (8-1)

5. TCU (8-1)

6. UCLA (8-2)

7. Ohio St. (9-1)

8. Baylor (7-1)

9. Arizona (8-2)

10. Arizona St. (7-2)

Basically, Football Outsiders thinks, based on their FEI ratings, that it is more difficult to go 8-2 with UCLA's schedule than it is to go 9-1 with Ohio State's. Of note, Florida St. gets a bump here.

Combined with their FEI rankings, it seems that Football Outsiders feels that Florida St., then a decent sized gap, Alabama and Oregon are a cut above everyone else.

Despite how FSU has looked in some games, it's just really difficult to do what they've done and go undefeated in a P5 conference.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Everybody sucks. Finally we reach some agreement.

 

[Premier]

Football Outsiders have thrown out a new stat, "Degree of Difficulty rankings" that attempts to answer the question of, "how difficult would it be for an elite team (two standard deviations better than average) to play a given team's schedule to date and achieve that team's record?," which they think the committee will be trying to value when comparing teams.

My link.

The Top 10:

1. Florida St. (9-0)

2. Alabama (9-1)

3. Oregon (8-1)

4. Mississippi St. (8-1)

5. TCU (8-1)

6. UCLA (8-2)

7. Ohio St. (9-1)

8. Baylor (7-1)

9. Arizona (8-2)

10. Arizona St. (7-2)

Basically, Football Outsiders thinks, based on their FEI ratings, that it is more difficult to go 8-2 with UCLA's schedule than it is to go 9-1 with Ohio State's. Of note, Florida St. gets a bump here.

Combined with their FEI rankings, it seems that Football Outsiders feels that Florida St., then a decent sized gap, Alabama and Oregon are a cut above everyone else.

Despite how FSU has looked in some games, it's just really difficult to do what they've done and go undefeated in a P5 conference.

 

[timschochet]

Football Outsiders have thrown out a new stat, "Degree of Difficulty rankings" that attempts to answer the question of, "how difficult would it be for an elite team (two standard deviations better than average) to play a given team's schedule to date and achieve that team's record?," which they think the committee will be trying to value when comparing teams.

My link.

The Top 10:

1. Florida St. (9-0)

2. Alabama (9-1)

3. Oregon (8-1)

4. Mississippi St. (8-1)

5. TCU (8-1)

6. UCLA (8-2)

7. Ohio St. (9-1)

8. Baylor (7-1)

9. Arizona (8-2)

10. Arizona St. (7-2)

Basically, Football Outsiders thinks, based on their FEI ratings, that it is more difficult to go 8-2 with UCLA's schedule than it is to go 9-1 with Ohio State's. Of note, Florida St. gets a bump here.

Combined with their FEI rankings, it seems that Football Outsiders feels that Florida St., then a decent sized gap, Alabama and Oregon are a cut above everyone else.

Despite how FSU has looked in some games, it's just really difficult to do what they've done and go undefeated in a P5 conference.

oh sure. So long as FSU is #1, you're good with ranking UCLA above Ohio State. Well I agree. it IS hard to go undefeated. Florida State deserves to be in the top spot.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Why are FSU fans crying about not being #1?

 

[Premier]

Why are FSU fans crying about not being #1?

I'm not upset at all. As long as they stay in the top-4 I don't really care. I'm more upset that people think Alabama is some juggernaut.

 

[gump]

Why are FSU fans crying about not being #1?

I'm not upset at all. As long as they stay in the top-4 I don't really care. I'm more upset that people think Alabama is some juggernaut.

The people you are listening to are the fringe. I'm pretty sure most people, especially fans, would put their chances of winning it all this at less than last year...and we know how that ended.

 

[Slapdash]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

I think Bama would love to play FSU in round 1.

We have a better QB than Bo Wallace.

Is this where we pretend Jameis hasn't regressed significantly this year?

 

[Premier]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

I think Bama would love to play FSU in round 1.

We have a better QB than Bo Wallace.

Is this where we pretend Jameis hasn't regressed significantly this year?

He hasn't regressed at all. His wideouts sure have though.

And no matter what......he hasn't regressed to Bo Wallace.

 

[Slapdash]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

I think Bama would love to play FSU in round 1.

We have a better QB than Bo Wallace.

Is this where we pretend Jameis hasn't regressed significantly this year?

He hasn't regressed at all. His wideouts sure have though.

And no matter what......he hasn't regressed to Bo Wallace.

Sure he has regressed. That is clear watching the games.

The stats are shockingly close to Bo too. Including have less TDs, more INTs, and a lower QB rating.

 

[Premier]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

I think Bama would love to play FSU in round 1.

We have a better QB than Bo Wallace.

Is this where we pretend Jameis hasn't regressed significantly this year?

He hasn't regressed at all. His wideouts sure have though.And no matter what......he hasn't regressed to Bo Wallace.

Sure he has regressed. That is clear watching the games.

The stats are shockingly close to Bo too. Including have less TDs, more INTs, and a lower QB rating.

@nfldraftscout: Anticipation is easily Winston's best attribute. Really off the charts.

This is from a guy who knows more than you do. From last Saturday.

If you have seen all his games the last two years (you haven't) you can tell fairly easily his wideouts are killing him. They've quit on routes and broke off options the wrong way on at least half of his picks. Two alone in the Louisville game.

He's also faced significantly more inside blitzing due to not having a D-1 level center for most games.

 

[wadegarrett]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

If top 4 win out and Ohio State wins out, the committee decision comes down to whether they think an extra OSU win in the B1G Championship Game is worth more than a 1 loss MSU team. What a total cluster #### this scenario would make. The internet would explode.

God I hope it happens.

 

[Slapdash]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

I think Bama would love to play FSU in round 1.

We have a better QB than Bo Wallace.

Is this where we pretend Jameis hasn't regressed significantly this year?

He hasn't regressed at all. His wideouts sure have though.And no matter what......he hasn't regressed to Bo Wallace.

Sure he has regressed. That is clear watching the games.

The stats are shockingly close to Bo too. Including have less TDs, more INTs, and a lower QB rating.

@nfldraftscout: Anticipation is easily Winston's best attribute. Really off the charts.

This is from a guy who knows more than you do. From last Saturday.

If you have seen all his games the last two years (you haven't) you can tell fairly easily his wideouts are killing him. They've quit on routes and broke off options the wrong way on at least half of his picks. Two alone in the Louisville game.

He's also faced significantly more inside blitzing due to not having a D-1 level center for most games.

I guess that anticipation only works when he can read the defense:

Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · Nov 15

Doesn't look like Winston ever saw the FS.

Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · Nov 15

Three throws tonight where Winston made decisions that don't look great from the TV look.

I am only judging based on the games against the better opponents year over year that I have watched. In those, he is clearly not as good as last year. By the same token, Bo has generally looked much better this year. The stats support that too.

Maybe I need to watch him play the Citadel, NC State, and Syracuse to really get his talent and that losing Kelvin Benjamin makes that much difference.

 

[Slapdash]

Why are FSU fans crying about not being #1?

They should really be #1, but I'm not sure why they're are making these comments about theoretical schedules and such to support that point.

 

[Premier]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

I think Bama would love to play FSU in round 1.

We have a better QB than Bo Wallace.

Is this where we pretend Jameis hasn't regressed significantly this year?

He hasn't regressed at all. His wideouts sure have though.And no matter what......he hasn't regressed to Bo Wallace.

Sure he has regressed. That is clear watching the games.

The stats are shockingly close to Bo too. Including have less TDs, more INTs, and a lower QB rating.

@nfldraftscout: Anticipation is easily Winston's best attribute. Really off the charts.This is from a guy who knows more than you do. From last Saturday.

If you have seen all his games the last two years (you haven't) you can tell fairly easily his wideouts are killing him. They've quit on routes and broke off options the wrong way on at least half of his picks. Two alone in the Louisville game.

He's also faced significantly more inside blitzing due to not having a D-1 level center for most games.

I guess that anticipation only works when he can read the defense:

Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · Nov 15

Doesn't look like Winston ever saw the FS.

Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · Nov 15

Three throws tonight where Winston made decisions that don't look great from the TV look.

I am only judging based on the games against the better opponents year over year that I have watched. In those, he is clearly not as good as last year. By the same token, Bo has generally looked much better this year. The stats support that too.Maybe I need to watch him play the Citadel, NC State, and Syracuse to really get his talent and that losing Kelvin Benjamin makes that much difference.

Winston didn't see the FS on that pick against Miami. Nobody's perfect. Hey look if you think Bo Wallace is as good or better or even in the same conversation as Jameis than that's not an argument I would even bother to entertain. You're either fishing or clueless at that point and may as well talk to Tim about UCLA cruising into the playoff.

 

[Slapdash]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

I think Bama would love to play FSU in round 1.

We have a better QB than Bo Wallace.

Is this where we pretend Jameis hasn't regressed significantly this year?

He hasn't regressed at all. His wideouts sure have though.And no matter what......he hasn't regressed to Bo Wallace.

Sure he has regressed. That is clear watching the games.

The stats are shockingly close to Bo too. Including have less TDs, more INTs, and a lower QB rating.

@nfldraftscout: Anticipation is easily Winston's best attribute. Really off the charts.This is from a guy who knows more than you do. From last Saturday.

If you have seen all his games the last two years (you haven't) you can tell fairly easily his wideouts are killing him. They've quit on routes and broke off options the wrong way on at least half of his picks. Two alone in the Louisville game.

He's also faced significantly more inside blitzing due to not having a D-1 level center for most games.

I guess that anticipation only works when he can read the defense:

Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · Nov 15

Doesn't look like Winston ever saw the FS.

Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · Nov 15

Three throws tonight where Winston made decisions that don't look great from the TV look.

I am only judging based on the games against the better opponents year over year that I have watched. In those, he is clearly not as good as last year. By the same token, Bo has generally looked much better this year. The stats support that too.Maybe I need to watch him play the Citadel, NC State, and Syracuse to really get his talent and that losing Kelvin Benjamin makes that much difference.

Winston didn't see the FS on that pick against Miami. Nobody's perfect.Hey look if you think Bo Wallace is as good or better or even in the same conversation as Jameis than that's not an argument I would even bother to entertain. You're either fishing or clueless at that point and may as well talk to Tim about UCLA cruising into the playoff.

Yep, you obviously wouldn't bother to entertain a convo about their relative performance in cfb this year.

 

[Joe T]

If Bo Wallace were on FSU, the committee would rank FSU #1.

See what I mean?

 

[Moe.]

Fellas, it's Dr. Bo. Please.

 

[seahawk 17]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

Pretty sure nobody is afraid of FSU.