*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (3 Viewers)

[Raider Nation]

Jackets/Dawgs '97 on ESPN Classic. Joe Hamilton was so damn fun to watch.

 

[Archer]

Duke vs The Cheats tonight during Primetime! Woot! Woot!

 

[Tom Servo]

Duke vs The Cheats tonight during Primetime! Woot! Woot!

You're going to have to be a tad more specific. A lot of candidates fit that bill.

 

[Quez]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

Pretty sure nobody is afraid of FSU.

I'm not that sure.

 

[jb1020]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

If top 4 win out and Ohio State wins out, the committee decision comes down to whether they think an extra OSU win in the B1G Championship Game is worth more than a 1 loss MSU team. What a total cluster #### this scenario would make. The internet would explode.

God I hope it happens.

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this too.

a 14 point HOME loss to a 5-5 VT Tech team, One top 10 win At Michigan State.

or a team with...

a 5 point loss on the road against the #1 team, plus 4 (at the time) wins against teams in the top 10, assuming we beat Ole Miss. Obviously if we lose that one we're out of the picture.

Its still a little baffling that Oregon is ahead of us.

I still have faith in the committee.

 

[The Commish]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

If top 4 win out and Ohio State wins out, the committee decision comes down to whether they think an extra OSU win in the B1G Championship Game is worth more than a 1 loss MSU team. What a total cluster #### this scenario would make. The internet would explode.

God I hope it happens.

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this too.

a 14 point HOME loss to a 5-5 VT Tech team, One top 10 win At Michigan State.

or a team with...

a 5 point loss on the road against the #1 team, plus 4 (at the time) wins against teams in the top 10, assuming we beat Ole Miss. Obviously if we lose that one we're out of the picture.

Its still a little baffling that Oregon is ahead of us.

I still have faith in the committee.

This really translates to:

a 14 point loss at home to VT

a win at Michigan State (11)

a win at Minnesota (25)

vs

a loss to Alabama (1)

a win at home against Auburn (14)

If you want to project (keeping all else as constant as possible....obviously there are other factors that could play into this), OSU also has a game left against (probably) current #16 Wisconsin in the B1G championship game and Miss State has a game left against current ranked #8 Ole Miss with a chance of getting to the SEC Championship game if Alabama loses. Say both win out and Alabama doesn't lose. You have:

a 14 point loss at home to VT

a win at Michigan State (11)

a win at Minnesota (25)

a win against Wisconsin (16)

B1G Championship Title

vs

a loss to Alabama (1)

a win at home against Auburn (14)

a win at Ole Miss (8)

Seems like MSU really needs Alabama to lose to Auburn so MSU can play in the conference championship game.

 

[Peyton Marino]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

If top 4 win out and Ohio State wins out, the committee decision comes down to whether they think an extra OSU win in the B1G Championship Game is worth more than a 1 loss MSU team. What a total cluster #### this scenario would make. The internet would explode.

God I hope it happens.

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this too.

a 14 point HOME loss to a 5-5 VT Tech team, One top 10 win At Michigan State.

or a team with...

a 5 point loss on the road against the #1 team, plus 4 (at the time) wins against teams in the top 10, assuming we beat Ole Miss. Obviously if we lose that one we're out of the picture.

Its still a little baffling that Oregon is ahead of us.

I still have faith in the committee.

But the top 10 wins (at the time) don't really matter now because, obviously, they're not in the top 10 anymore.

OSU has the top 10 win as well as the top 25 at Minnesota.

I will say a lot of people are getting ahead of themselves looking past the B10 title game. Wisconsin is for real, I wouldn't be surprised if they were favored over OSU in that game.

 

[Guest]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

If top 4 win out and Ohio State wins out, the committee decision comes down to whether they think an extra OSU win in the B1G Championship Game is worth more than a 1 loss MSU team. What a total cluster #### this scenario would make. The internet would explode.

God I hope it happens.

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this too.

a 14 point HOME loss to a 5-5 VT Tech team, One top 10 win At Michigan State.

or a team with...

a 5 point loss on the road against the #1 team, plus 4 (at the time) wins against teams in the top 10, assuming we beat Ole Miss. Obviously if we lose that one we're out of the picture.

Its still a little baffling that Oregon is ahead of us.

I still have faith in the committee.

But the top 10 wins (at the time) don't really matter now because, obviously, they're not in the top 10 anymore.

OSU has the top 10 win as well as the top 25 at Minnesota.

I will say a lot of people are getting ahead of themselves looking past the B10 title game. Wisconsin is for real, I wouldn't be surprised if they were favored over OSU in that game.

Wisconsin won't be favored. They are a one dimensional team that steamrolled Nebraska because their idiot coaching staff refused to adjust. Wisconsin threw for 46 yards in that game.

 

[MattFancy]

Does anyone else think the committee is trying too hard to be the anti-BCS?

 

[The Commish]

Does anyone else think the committee is trying too hard to be the anti-BCS?

hope so

 

[wadegarrett]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

If top 4 win out and Ohio State wins out, the committee decision comes down to whether they think an extra OSU win in the B1G Championship Game is worth more than a 1 loss MSU team. What a total cluster #### this scenario would make. The internet would explode.

God I hope it happens.

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this too.

a 14 point HOME loss to a 5-5 VT Tech team, One top 10 win At Michigan State.

or a team with...

a 5 point loss on the road against the #1 team, plus 4 (at the time) wins against teams in the top 10, assuming we beat Ole Miss. Obviously if we lose that one we're out of the picture.

Its still a little baffling that Oregon is ahead of us.

I still have faith in the committee.

But the top 10 wins (at the time) don't really matter now because, obviously, they're not in the top 10 anymore.

OSU has the top 10 win as well as the top 25 at Minnesota.

I will say a lot of people are getting ahead of themselves looking past the B10 title game. Wisconsin is for real, I wouldn't be surprised if they were favored over OSU in that game.

Wisconsin won't be favored. They are a one dimensional team that steamrolled Nebraska because their idiot coaching staff refused to adjust. Wisconsin threw for 46 yards in that game.

Yeah but OSU can't stop the run very well either. If it happened, I wouldn't put a Wisconsin victory in that game out of the question.

 

[Premier]

OSU would be -6

 

[MattFancy]

Does anyone else think the committee is trying too hard to be the anti-BCS?

hope so

I don't really mean it as a compliment.

I think them having FSU at #3 and TCU ahead of Baylor are prime examples. No one would have an issue with FSU being #1 or Baylor being ahead of TCU. But to me, the committee seems to be trying to go against the grain just to show "hey, look these aren't the BCS rankings".

 

[Guest]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

If top 4 win out and Ohio State wins out, the committee decision comes down to whether they think an extra OSU win in the B1G Championship Game is worth more than a 1 loss MSU team. What a total cluster #### this scenario would make. The internet would explode.

God I hope it happens.

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this too.

a 14 point HOME loss to a 5-5 VT Tech team, One top 10 win At Michigan State.

or a team with...

a 5 point loss on the road against the #1 team, plus 4 (at the time) wins against teams in the top 10, assuming we beat Ole Miss. Obviously if we lose that one we're out of the picture.

Its still a little baffling that Oregon is ahead of us.

I still have faith in the committee.

But the top 10 wins (at the time) don't really matter now because, obviously, they're not in the top 10 anymore.

OSU has the top 10 win as well as the top 25 at Minnesota.

I will say a lot of people are getting ahead of themselves looking past the B10 title game. Wisconsin is for real, I wouldn't be surprised if they were favored over OSU in that game.

Wisconsin won't be favored. They are a one dimensional team that steamrolled Nebraska because their idiot coaching staff refused to adjust. Wisconsin threw for 46 yards in that game.

Yeah but OSU can't stop the run very well either. If it happened, I wouldn't put a Wisconsin victory in that game out of the question.

I don't disagree. A Wisconsin win could happen and I would be rooting for them. I do think the OSU offense is good enough to stay on field, and that their coaching staff is good enough to prevent 1 guy from rushing for 408 freaking yards.

 

[The Commish]

Does anyone else think the committee is trying too hard to be the anti-BCS?

hope so

I don't really mean it as a compliment.

I think them having FSU at #3 and TCU ahead of Baylor are prime examples. No one would have an issue with FSU being #1 or Baylor being ahead of TCU. But to me, the committee seems to be trying to go against the grain just to show "hey, look these aren't the BCS rankings".

Committee has a disclaimer every single week that the projections are for THAT WEEK. They've already addressed the TCU vs Baylor rankings several times. Having FSU #3 right now, I doubt is a big deal given the SOS comparisons and how FSU is winning each week. There's legit debate around where FSU should be ranked. That stems from them being undefeated but having to come from behind so many times. They should get credit for doing so, but they can't ignore the fact that they've had to do so against some pretty bad teams. I think they end up #1 or #2 if they are undefeated with a conference championship.

 

[MattFancy]

Does anyone else think the committee is trying too hard to be the anti-BCS?

hope so

I don't really mean it as a compliment.

I think them having FSU at #3 and TCU ahead of Baylor are prime examples. No one would have an issue with FSU being #1 or Baylor being ahead of TCU. But to me, the committee seems to be trying to go against the grain just to show "hey, look these aren't the BCS rankings".

Committee has a disclaimer every single week that the projections are for THAT WEEK. They've already addressed the TCU vs Baylor rankings several times. Having FSU #3 right now, I doubt is a big deal given the SOS comparisons and how FSU is winning each week. There's legit debate around where FSU should be ranked. That stems from them being undefeated but having to come from behind so many times. They should get credit for doing so, but they can't ignore the fact that they've had to do so against some pretty bad teams. I think they end up #1 or #2 if they are undefeated with a conference championship.

You may be right. I just think they're wanting to show everyone that this will work better than the BCS so they're rankings are a bit different. Now things can and certainly will change before the Playoff starts. I just hope they don't do anything crazy.

 

[The Commish]

Does anyone else think the committee is trying too hard to be the anti-BCS?

hope so

I don't really mean it as a compliment.

I think them having FSU at #3 and TCU ahead of Baylor are prime examples. No one would have an issue with FSU being #1 or Baylor being ahead of TCU. But to me, the committee seems to be trying to go against the grain just to show "hey, look these aren't the BCS rankings".

Committee has a disclaimer every single week that the projections are for THAT WEEK. They've already addressed the TCU vs Baylor rankings several times. Having FSU #3 right now, I doubt is a big deal given the SOS comparisons and how FSU is winning each week. There's legit debate around where FSU should be ranked. That stems from them being undefeated but having to come from behind so many times. They should get credit for doing so, but they can't ignore the fact that they've had to do so against some pretty bad teams. I think they end up #1 or #2 if they are undefeated with a conference championship.

You may be right. I just think they're wanting to show everyone that this will work better than the BCS so they're rankings are a bit different. Now things can and certainly will change before the Playoff starts. I just hope they don't do anything crazy.

Of course they are trying to show it's going to work better, but I also believe they have legit reasons for having the teams where they are right now. I don't think they are thinking "well, the BCS would have done this, so let's do this instead" during their sessions, but who knows?

 

[MattFancy]

Does anyone else think the committee is trying too hard to be the anti-BCS?

hope so

I don't really mean it as a compliment.

I think them having FSU at #3 and TCU ahead of Baylor are prime examples. No one would have an issue with FSU being #1 or Baylor being ahead of TCU. But to me, the committee seems to be trying to go against the grain just to show "hey, look these aren't the BCS rankings".

Committee has a disclaimer every single week that the projections are for THAT WEEK. They've already addressed the TCU vs Baylor rankings several times. Having FSU #3 right now, I doubt is a big deal given the SOS comparisons and how FSU is winning each week. There's legit debate around where FSU should be ranked. That stems from them being undefeated but having to come from behind so many times. They should get credit for doing so, but they can't ignore the fact that they've had to do so against some pretty bad teams. I think they end up #1 or #2 if they are undefeated with a conference championship.

You may be right. I just think they're wanting to show everyone that this will work better than the BCS so they're rankings are a bit different. Now things can and certainly will change before the Playoff starts. I just hope they don't do anything crazy.

Of course they are trying to show it's going to work better, but I also believe they have legit reasons for having the teams where they are right now. I don't think they are thinking "well, the BCS would have done this, so let's do this instead" during their sessions, but who knows?

Think some of their reasons may be flawed, but at least they are able to back them up. I don't think they're doing that on purpose, but it just comes off that way, at least to me. And again, by the time these are final, who knows what they look like.

 

[Peyton Marino]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

If top 4 win out and Ohio State wins out, the committee decision comes down to whether they think an extra OSU win in the B1G Championship Game is worth more than a 1 loss MSU team. What a total cluster #### this scenario would make. The internet would explode.

God I hope it happens.

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this too.

a 14 point HOME loss to a 5-5 VT Tech team, One top 10 win At Michigan State.

or a team with...

a 5 point loss on the road against the #1 team, plus 4 (at the time) wins against teams in the top 10, assuming we beat Ole Miss. Obviously if we lose that one we're out of the picture.

Its still a little baffling that Oregon is ahead of us.

I still have faith in the committee.

But the top 10 wins (at the time) don't really matter now because, obviously, they're not in the top 10 anymore.

OSU has the top 10 win as well as the top 25 at Minnesota.

I will say a lot of people are getting ahead of themselves looking past the B10 title game. Wisconsin is for real, I wouldn't be surprised if they were favored over OSU in that game.

Wisconsin won't be favored. They are a one dimensional team that steamrolled Nebraska because their idiot coaching staff refused to adjust. Wisconsin threw for 46 yards in that game.

Yeah but OSU can't stop the run very well either. If it happened, I wouldn't put a Wisconsin victory in that game out of the question.

this is my thinking. but then you consider that JT Barrett is playing as well as anyone in the country right now and that kind of balances out. i'm just weary of looking past that game. lot of OSU fans already whining about "if we win out and don't get in, blah blah blah". make sure you win out first IMO.

 

[The Commish]

Think some of their reasons may be flawed, but at least they are able to back them up. I don't think they're doing that on purpose, but it just comes off that way, at least to me. And again, by the time these are final, who knows what they look like.

Example? Curious to hear. I haven't paid a ton of attention to 95% of their reasons...just went and found what their logic was behind TCU and Baylor since a lot of folks had their panties in a twist over that a few weeks ago. That's about it.

 

[MattFancy]

Think some of their reasons may be flawed, but at least they are able to back them up. I don't think they're doing that on purpose, but it just comes off that way, at least to me. And again, by the time these are final, who knows what they look like.

Example? Curious to hear. I haven't paid a ton of attention to 95% of their reasons...just went and found what their logic was behind TCU and Baylor since a lot of folks had their panties in a twist over that a few weeks ago. That's about it.

Thought they said that Alabama was #1 because of their convincing win over Miss St. So then why is Miss St still at #4 if they lost convincingly? I don't have a problem with Miss St @ #4, just think they could have explained it better.

 

[wadegarrett]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

If top 4 win out and Ohio State wins out, the committee decision comes down to whether they think an extra OSU win in the B1G Championship Game is worth more than a 1 loss MSU team. What a total cluster #### this scenario would make. The internet would explode.

God I hope it happens.

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this too.

a 14 point HOME loss to a 5-5 VT Tech team, One top 10 win At Michigan State.

or a team with...

a 5 point loss on the road against the #1 team, plus 4 (at the time) wins against teams in the top 10, assuming we beat Ole Miss. Obviously if we lose that one we're out of the picture.

Its still a little baffling that Oregon is ahead of us.

I still have faith in the committee.

But the top 10 wins (at the time) don't really matter now because, obviously, they're not in the top 10 anymore.

OSU has the top 10 win as well as the top 25 at Minnesota.

I will say a lot of people are getting ahead of themselves looking past the B10 title game. Wisconsin is for real, I wouldn't be surprised if they were favored over OSU in that game.

Wisconsin won't be favored. They are a one dimensional team that steamrolled Nebraska because their idiot coaching staff refused to adjust. Wisconsin threw for 46 yards in that game.

Yeah but OSU can't stop the run very well either. If it happened, I wouldn't put a Wisconsin victory in that game out of the question.

this is my thinking. but then you consider that JT Barrett is playing as well as anyone in the country right now and that kind of balances out. i'm just weary of looking past that game. lot of OSU fans already whining about "if we win out and don't get in, blah blah blah". make sure you win out first IMO.

exactly

 

[The Commish]

Think some of their reasons may be flawed, but at least they are able to back them up. I don't think they're doing that on purpose, but it just comes off that way, at least to me. And again, by the time these are final, who knows what they look like.

Example? Curious to hear. I haven't paid a ton of attention to 95% of their reasons...just went and found what their logic was behind TCU and Baylor since a lot of folks had their panties in a twist over that a few weeks ago. That's about it.

Thought they said that Alabama was #1 because of their convincing win over Miss St. So then why is Miss St still at #4 if they lost convincingly? I don't have a problem with Miss St @ #4, just think they could have explained it better.

Perhaps a "good loss" philosophy? Or the "it never felt like Alabama was in danger of losing, but MSU hung in there" philosophy? dunno.

 

[oso diablo]

Ohio St jumping Baylor makes no sense to me. I look at the Massey composite rankings (a compilation of several dozen computer models). Below, i compare the two using the Massey composite position in (x)...

Best Win

Baylor over TCU (5)

OSU over MSU (12)

2nd Best Win

Baylor over OU (15)

OSU over Minnesota (36)

3rd Best Win

Baylor over Texas (38)

OSU over Maryland (45)

Loss

Baylor lost at WVU (33)

OSU lost at home to VTech (46)

OSU holds the advantage on the remaining Wins, but i don't see how that could possibly trump a team with an advantage like the above.

 

[The Commish]

Ohio St jumping Baylor makes no sense to me. I look at the Massey composite rankings (a compilation of several dozen computer models). Below, i compare the two using the Massey composite position in (x)...

Best Win

Baylor over TCU (5)

OSU over MSU (12)

2nd Best Win

Baylor over OU (15)

OSU over Minnesota (36)

3rd Best Win

Baylor over Texas (38)

OSU over Maryland (45)

Loss

Baylor lost at WVU (33)

OSU lost at home to VTech (46)

OSU holds the advantage on the remaining Wins, but i don't see how that could possibly trump a team with an advantage like the above.

Try looking at it through the rankings being used:

OSU has wins over two top 25 teams at #11 and at #25 and a loss to VT. Baylor has two wins over top 25 teams home against #5 and at #21 and a loss to WVU. They are ranked one right after the other, does that one spot really matter all that much at this point in the season?

 

[Joe T]

What happens if all the teams in the top 4 win out? Miss. St. would have an additional quality win over Ole Miss, so if the committee is consistent I would think they jump FSU...

I highly doubt Bama wants to play FSU in round 1.

If top 4 win out and Ohio State wins out, the committee decision comes down to whether they think an extra OSU win in the B1G Championship Game is worth more than a 1 loss MSU team. What a total cluster #### this scenario would make. The internet would explode.

God I hope it happens.

I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this too.

a 14 point HOME loss to a 5-5 VT Tech team, One top 10 win At Michigan State.

or a team with...

a 5 point loss on the road against the #1 team, plus 4 (at the time) wins against teams in the top 10, assuming we beat Ole Miss. Obviously if we lose that one we're out of the picture.

Its still a little baffling that Oregon is ahead of us.

I still have faith in the committee.

This really translates to:a 14 point loss at home to VT

a win at Michigan State (11)

a win at Minnesota (25)

vs

a loss to Alabama (1)

a win at home against Auburn (14)

If you want to project (keeping all else as constant as possible....obviously there are other factors that could play into this), OSU also has a game left against (probably) current #16 Wisconsin in the B1G championship game and Miss State has a game left against current ranked #8 Ole Miss with a chance of getting to the SEC Championship game if Alabama loses. Say both win out and Alabama doesn't lose. You have:

a 14 point loss at home to VT

a win at Michigan State (11)

a win at Minnesota (25)

a win against Wisconsin (16)

B1G Championship Title

vs

a loss to Alabama (1)

a win at home against Auburn (14)

a win at Ole Miss (8)

Seems like MSU really needs Alabama to lose to Auburn so MSU can play in the conference championship game.

Lol

 

[The Commish]

 

[Joe T]

Hey guys, if the polls don't change for the remainder of the year or unicorns start appearing naturally in society then Miss State really needs Auburn to beat Alabama.

 

[gump]

Think some of their reasons may be flawed, but at least they are able to back them up. I don't think they're doing that on purpose, but it just comes off that way, at least to me. And again, by the time these are final, who knows what they look like.

Example? Curious to hear. I haven't paid a ton of attention to 95% of their reasons...just went and found what their logic was behind TCU and Baylor since a lot of folks had their panties in a twist over that a few weeks ago. That's about it.

Thought they said that Alabama was #1 because of their convincing win over Miss St. So then why is Miss St still at #4 if they lost convincingly? I don't have a problem with Miss St @ #4, just think they could have explained it better.

The BCS would have those 2 in the same spots...but without an explanation.

 

[CBusAlex]

Ohio St jumping Baylor makes no sense to me. I look at the Massey composite rankings (a compilation of several dozen computer models). Below, i compare the two using the Massey composite position in (x)...

It really seems like the committee is just determined to martyr Baylor on the altar of non-conference scheduling this year.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Why are FSU fans crying about not being #1?

They should really be #1, but I'm not sure why they're are making these comments about theoretical schedules and such to support that point.

Maybe - I don't watch enough college football to know, or have an informed opinion. But surely the only goal for teams this year is to be in the top-4 - order should be of little consequences. There is no home-field advantage, and I would think the difference in quality from 1 to 4 is going to be small, so the practical difference between 1 and 3 is negligible.

As an aside, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with any team being ranked ahead of an undefeated team - for me the criteria should be to rank the teams based on who you think would win on a neutral field. Simply being undefeated is only indicative of the notion that you have been better than the teams you played, on the states you played them. IF FSU lose Winston, I would not have any problem if they were left off the list - if the committee felt like FSU without Winston is not a top-4 team.

This should not be like the bowls, where its a "reward" for a good season - it should be a subjective vote on who the 4 best teams are at the end of the season.

 

[oso diablo]

Try looking at it through the rankings being used:

OSU has wins over two top 25 teams at #11 and at #25 and a loss to VT. Baylor has two wins over top 25 teams home against #5 and at #21 and a loss to WVU. They are ranked one right after the other, does that one spot really matter all that much at this point in the season?

what rankings being used? The committee's own process is to rank the top teams first, so it's not clear to me how they would use their own Top25 rankings, because for a given week, those rankings don't yet exist.

besides, it's specious to cut it off at 25 or any other arbitrary number. If Team X beats #5 and #26, is that somehow worse than Team Y that beat #23 and #25?

the reason it matters now is that we're trying to divine what the committee is thinking, and what sort of criteria they are using to rank teams. it's not making much sense to me right now. Also, one spot makes a huge difference if that one spot ends up being #4 vs #5.

 

[oso diablo]

Ohio St jumping Baylor makes no sense to me. I look at the Massey composite rankings (a compilation of several dozen computer models). Below, i compare the two using the Massey composite position in (x)...

It really seems like the committee is just determined to martyr Baylor on the altar of non-conference scheduling this year.

schedules which were built before the CFP even existed.

 

[The Commish]

Try looking at it through the rankings being used:

OSU has wins over two top 25 teams at #11 and at #25 and a loss to VT. Baylor has two wins over top 25 teams home against #5 and at #21 and a loss to WVU. They are ranked one right after the other, does that one spot really matter all that much at this point in the season?

what rankings being used? The committee's own process is to rank the top teams first, so it's not clear to me how they would use their own Top25 rankings, because for a given week, those rankings don't yet exist.

besides, it's specious to cut it off at 25 or any other arbitrary number. If Team X beats #5 and #26, is that somehow worse than Team Y that beat #23 and #25?

the reason it matters now is that we're trying to divine what the committee is thinking, and what sort of criteria they are using to rank teams. it's not making much sense to me right now. Also, one spot makes a huge difference if that one spot ends up being #4 vs #5.

They all have what they think are the top 25 in their minds for their reasons when they come to the table. As they go down, the ranking falls in place via vote putting equal weight on each committee member's vote (except for when someone steps out while their team(s) of interest are being voted on. They've told us that wins/losses, H2H matchups, SOS, conference champions etc are all going to be contributors to the rankings. I think the idea is, that the further they get into the season the more factors come into play. For example, right now, they can't factor in conference championship because they haven't happened yet. I'd imagine that SOS would also become a larger influence as it becomes more clearly defined. They're also provided all these different stats (origin I don't know) they have at their disposal. When the last "top 4" is produced, hopefully it will be clear what their thought process is.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

Ohio St jumping Baylor makes no sense to me. I look at the Massey composite rankings (a compilation of several dozen computer models). Below, i compare the two using the Massey composite position in (x)...

It really seems like the committee is just determined to martyr Baylor on the altar of non-conference scheduling this year.

schedules which were built before the CFP even existed.

So they scheduled SMU, Northwestern St., and Buffalo back when they were powerhouses? Or at least respectable? 1983?

 

[wadegarrett]

Try looking at it through the rankings being used:

OSU has wins over two top 25 teams at #11 and at #25 and a loss to VT. Baylor has two wins over top 25 teams home against #5 and at #21 and a loss to WVU. They are ranked one right after the other, does that one spot really matter all that much at this point in the season?

what rankings being used? The committee's own process is to rank the top teams first, so it's not clear to me how they would use their own Top25 rankings, because for a given week, those rankings don't yet exist.

besides, it's specious to cut it off at 25 or any other arbitrary number. If Team X beats #5 and #26, is that somehow worse than Team Y that beat #23 and #25?

the reason it matters now is that we're trying to divine what the committee is thinking, and what sort of criteria they are using to rank teams. it's not making much sense to me right now. Also, one spot makes a huge difference if that one spot ends up being #4 vs #5.

See what you're saying and it's a valid argument. But even if Baylor was #6 and OSU #7 as of today; if OSU wins out I think they jump both Baylor and TCU b/c of the extra conference championship game win.

 

[Premier]

You don't usually just march into Duke's high school stadium and expect to win.

 

[gump]

You don't usually just march into Duke's high school stadium and expect to win.

They thought naming it after an Alabama coach would up the intimidation factor.

 

[Premier]

Dammit, Duke

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Damn UNC it would be 42-7 if Williams would take care of the ball

 

[AAABatteries]

 

[Archer]

I guess we learned cheaters do sometimes win...

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Jesus Christ Marquise Williams

 

[Premier]

Welp. Hope some linebackers get healthy.

 

[AAABatteries]

Welp. Hope some linebackers get healthy.

UNC is not a good team - there's still time for Duke here. But, if they don't come back just remember that UNC beat GT so I don't think you have anything to worry about.

:doublereversejinx:

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Seriously, no need to even practice for that silly triple-option attack.

 

[Premier]

Welp. Hope some linebackers get healthy.

UNC is not a good team - there's still time for Duke here. But, if they don't come back just remember that UNC beat GT so I don't think you have anything to worry about.:doublereversejinx:

 

[Christo]

What happened to Trickett?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Thanks Duke.

 

[AAABatteries]

Ripleys > hey!