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***Official - 2025 Major League Baseball Thread (6 Viewers)

The Golden At Bat rule is the most cockamamie idea of the Manfred era. It's so ridiculous that it makes me wonder what else it's meant to distract us from. :tinfoilhat:
Ive never heard of this so I looked it up. I’m disgusted that they are even discussing this smh
I am really gonna be done if crap like this gets implemented.

I will literally be done with professional baseball and stick to college.

Only my son making it to the bigs would bring me back if rules like this keep creeping into the game.

I can’t stand things they have done…..and this is getting worse.

****ing Manfraud. Go away pleasek
I'm not saying I'm in favor of the latest whatever, but my god, people. Calm down. You sound like Hall of Fame voters. It's a game. That increasingly no one below the age of 88 is watching.
That’s such a fallacy btw.

But carry on.
FWIW, the recent rule changes have been among the absolute best things to happen to baseball since the summer of Sosa and McGwire.

And also FWIW, when I worked for Manfred, MLB average fan age was anywhere from 5-12 years older than the other three major sports. And these changes were just beginning then (2015). But we made a specific list of differences including game time, playoff format, pace of action, "exciting moments" per minute, etc. And given the plan for testing before implementation and after, and the reception so far, I gotta assume the same internal metrics are trending hugely in the right direction over last two years.

I'm sure Morgan and the others in my dept, which literally safeguards the rules of baseball, are far more excited about the 3 people under 40 they gain than the one guy over 55 they'll lose if they make the change and you go.
 
The Golden At Bat rule is the most cockamamie idea of the Manfred era. It's so ridiculous that it makes me wonder what else it's meant to distract us from. :tinfoilhat:
Ive never heard of this so I looked it up. I’m disgusted that they are even discussing this smh
I am really gonna be done if crap like this gets implemented.

I will literally be done with professional baseball and stick to college.

Only my son making it to the bigs would bring me back if rules like this keep creeping into the game.

I can’t stand things they have done…..and this is getting worse.

****ing Manfraud. Go away pleasek
I'm not saying I'm in favor of the latest whatever, but my god, people. Calm down. You sound like Hall of Fame voters. It's a game. That increasingly no one below the age of 88 is watching.
That’s such a fallacy btw.

But carry on.
FWIW, the recent rule changes have been among the absolute best things to happen to baseball since the summer of Sosa and McGwire.

And also FWIW, when I worked for Manfred, MLB average fan age was anywhere from 5-12 years older than the other three major sports. And these changes were just beginning then (2015). But we made a specific list of differences including game time, playoff format, pace of action, "exciting moments" per minute, etc. And given the plan for testing before implementation and after, and the reception so far, I gotta assume the same internal metrics are trending hugely in the right direction over last two years.

I'm sure Morgan and the others in my dept, which literally safeguards the rules of baseball, are far more excited about the 3 people under 40 they gain than the one guy over 55 they'll lose if they make the change and you go.
The pitch clock was a great change. Hands down.

Not a fan at all with the 3 batter minimum nor extra innings. I think a ghost runner should be implemented after 12 complete. Thank god it’s not in the postseason.

But this supoosed thing of the golden AB is ridiculous.
 
The Golden At Bat rule is the most cockamamie idea of the Manfred era. It's so ridiculous that it makes me wonder what else it's meant to distract us from. :tinfoilhat:
Ive never heard of this so I looked it up. I’m disgusted that they are even discussing this smh
I am really gonna be done if crap like this gets implemented.

I will literally be done with professional baseball and stick to college.

Only my son making it to the bigs would bring me back if rules like this keep creeping into the game.

I can’t stand things they have done…..and this is getting worse.

****ing Manfraud. Go away pleasek
I'm not saying I'm in favor of the latest whatever, but my god, people. Calm down. You sound like Hall of Fame voters. It's a game. That increasingly no one below the age of 88 is watching.
That’s such a fallacy btw.

But carry on.
FWIW, the recent rule changes have been among the absolute best things to happen to baseball since the summer of Sosa and McGwire.

And also FWIW, when I worked for Manfred, MLB average fan age was anywhere from 5-12 years older than the other three major sports. And these changes were just beginning then (2015). But we made a specific list of differences including game time, playoff format, pace of action, "exciting moments" per minute, etc. And given the plan for testing before implementation and after, and the reception so far, I gotta assume the same internal metrics are trending hugely in the right direction over last two years.

I'm sure Morgan and the others in my dept, which literally safeguards the rules of baseball, are far more excited about the 3 people under 40 they gain than the one guy over 55 they'll lose if they make the change and you go.
The pitch clock was a great change. Hands down.

But this supoosed thing of the golden AB is ridiculous.
Well they haven't implemented it, have they?

The golden at bat wasn't on the list I worked on. But batters box rules, warm up clock, pitch clock, bigger bases, messing with the shift...all that worked.

So if this golden at bay is being contemplated, there's gotta be research, they'll try it in a couple minors, then more, and either it'll turn out to be awesome or it won't.
 
messing with the shift...all that worked.
I would highly disagree with this. What about it worked? From a baseball perspective it is a terrible idea. Strategy is a big part of the game. Taking away what the other team does well is what you are supposed to do until they adjust and beat it. Then you adjust again. Removing the ability to shift limits the strategy of the game.
 
messing with the shift...all that worked.
I would highly disagree with this. What about it worked? From a baseball perspective it is a terrible idea. Strategy is a big part of the game. Taking away what the other team does well is what you are supposed to do until they adjust and beat it. Then you adjust again. Removing the ability to shift limits the strategy of the game.
What worked? There are more of the moments that drive engagement and viewership and therefore revenue and fan growth.

Next guy who can choose where he wants to hit the ball, let me know early. I'll be his agent and we'll beat Ohtani's deal.
 
Next guy who can choose where he wants to hit the ball, let me know early. I'll be his agent and we'll beat Ohtani's deal.
Guys could have chosen to use the shift to their advantage but because analytics is HR or nothing based currently not enough people did that to force them out of the shift. I believe it would have gotten there as adjustments and thoughts change. The outlawing of the shift is just pushing the game more to HR or bust which I think is a net negative to the game itself.

I do understand that the game itself isn't the concern of the marketing and money people. They only care about money. I just think that is a negative for the game itself but that doesn't really matter to the casual fan.
 
Severino to West Sacramento for 3/$67M.

Now the A's decide to spent. F* John Fisher.
People were saying the Angels signing Kikuchi for 20 mil a year was an overpay. They are going to be in for a shock at other pitcher salaries.

Just a horrendous signing by Oakland. If you are going to spend twenty mil on a player choose a batter.
 
Next guy who can choose where he wants to hit the ball, let me know early. I'll be his agent and we'll beat Ohtani's deal.
Guys could have chosen to use the shift to their advantage but because analytics is HR or nothing based currently not enough people did that to force them out of the shift. I believe it would have gotten there as adjustments and thoughts change. The outlawing of the shift is just pushing the game more to HR or bust which I think is a net negative to the game itself.

I do understand that the game itself isn't the concern of the marketing and money people. They only care about money. I just think that is a negative for the game itself but that doesn't really matter to the casual fan.
Yeah my biggest problems with MLB baseball is this HR or K or bust mentality that has seized control of the game. I think that long term it stinks for players that do many other things great and are now not even valued anymore. Contact hitters, guys who can bunt (what the hell is a bunt?) and pitchers who were masters of location (Gregg Maddux) also the games culture has dramatically shifted of course with a huge Dominican, latin american presence. So there is a ton more flash and bling....and I get it and a lot of the kids love it. But some of it is offensive man....and disrespect to umpires and other players has gotten a little dumb.....but I love the international aspect of this game. We have great players from all around the world now. But I also want that respect and professionalism to be reigned in and tightened up a little more. Like seriosuly showing your entire hairy *** chest with chains and bling....it's ridiculous and loud and it's rampant at the D1 college level too. Not my style. Respect the uniform. Those All Star game uniforms from 2024 were despicable BTW. Looked like the penal league at Rikers Island.

It's all about what sells to the league office and owners......they don't care about the game itself as much as they say. It's what is going to maximize my gate and profits. And yes the game was losing a ton of market share because today's society has zero patience, zero attention span.

I mean watch kids and even adults today.....they literally can't put down their devices. How the hell are they going to pay attention to a baseball game for 3 hours when they can't even pay attention for 5 minutes straight without looking down.

This is a society issue and it has infected all major sports to a degree but none more than the cerebral, thinking man's game of baseball.

I am not gonna fight it......I just will turn it off if it does not entertain me anymore. You know I find it hilarious when we discuss the past and we always get attacked with players are better today than ever before.

Yeah......athletes today are bigger, stronger, faster etc. But I will counter that by saying a lot of players today (not all) are less mature, far more mentally weak, far more selfish, far less team and don't bring a lot to the table in terms of longevity.

We will never ever again see the 20 game winner, 250 innings or more.....and guys who bring elite level defense and don't have to hit 30 plus HR's but they get on base a lot, score a lot of runs and help their team win...they are far and few in between these days. Ozzie Smith? He would be a bench guy with his bat in todays game....imagine that.

We do get some teams that come along that buck the trend...the Royals...hell the Astros had a great hitting lineup.....contact line drive guys, power guys and they had a heck of pitching staff.

Now I love baseball.....with a passion. I think the pitch clock was a good idea. But all the rest....meh. Not so much. No offense @Instinctive.

I do believe in my heart of hearts the pendulum will swing back towards more contact, line drive hitting and hopefully pitching will realize that arm health is going to continue in the downtrend if these youth baseball players don't play other sports and shut their arms down half the year in their youth years and during high school. Pitchers need to get back to location vs velo.......the amount of walks we see is ridiculous and trying to strike every hitter out is a losing strategy long term. Pitching to weak contact is the key to long term success.

But that is not taught anymore. Because it's not exciting.

Microwave mentality has ruined a lot of what I loved about baseball. So yeah I sound like my dad now. LOL.
 
Next guy who can choose where he wants to hit the ball, let me know early. I'll be his agent and we'll beat Ohtani's deal.
Guys could have chosen to use the shift to their advantage but because analytics is HR or nothing based currently not enough people did that to force them out of the shift. I believe it would have gotten there as adjustments and thoughts change. The outlawing of the shift is just pushing the game more to HR or bust which I think is a net negative to the game itself.

I do understand that the game itself isn't the concern of the marketing and money people. They only care about money. I just think that is a negative for the game itself but that doesn't really matter to the casual fan.
Yeah my biggest problems with MLB baseball is this HR or K or bust mentality that has seized control of the game. I think that long term it stinks for players that do many other things great and are now not even valued anymore. COntact hitters, guys who can bunt (what the hell is a bunt?) and pitchers who masters of location (Gregg Maddux) also the games culture has dramatically shifted of course with a huge Dominican, latin american presence. So there is a ton more flash and bling....and I get it and a lot of the kids love it.

It's all about what sells to the league office and owners......they don't care about the game itself as much as they say. It's what is going to maximize my gate and profits. And yes the game was losing a ton of market share because todays society has zero patience, zero attention span.

I mean watch kids and even adults today.....they literally can't put down their devices. How the hell are they going to pay attention to a baseball game for 3 hours when they can't even pay attention for 5 minutes straight without looking down.

This is a society issue and it has infected all major sports to a degree but none more than the cerebral, thinking man's game of baseball.

I am not gonna fight it......I just will turn it off if it does not entertain me anymore. YOu know I find it hillarious when we discuss the past and we always get attacked with players are better today than ever before.

Yeah......athletes today are bigger, stronger, faster etc. But I will counter that by saying a lot of players today (not all) are less mature, far more mentally weak, far more selfish, far less team and don't bring a lot to the table in terms of longevity.
We will never ever again see the 20 game winner, 250 innings or more.....and guys who bring elite level defense and don't have to hit 30 plus HR's but they get on base a lot, score a lot of runs and help their team win.

We do get some teams that come along that buck the trend...the Royals...hell the Astros had a great hitting lineup.....contact line drive guys, power guys and they had a heck of pitching staff.

Now I love baseball.....with a passion. I think the pitch clock was a good idea. But all the rest....meh. Not so much. No offense @Instinctive.

I do believe in my heart of hearts the pendulum will swing back towards more contact, line drive hitting and hopefully pitching will realize that arm health is going to continue in the downtrend if these youth baseball players don't play other sports and shut their arms down half the year in their youth years and during high school. Pitchers need to get back to location vs velo.......the amount of walks we see is ridiculous and trying to strike every hitter out is a losing strategy long term. Pitching to weak contact is the key to long term success.

But that is not taught anymore. Because it's not exciting.

Microwave mentality has ruined a lot of what I loved about baseball. So yeah I sound like my dad now. LOL.
No offense taken. You have a good understanding of the why, I think.

What would you do to change the HR or bust? At the end of the day, the game is incentives. Within the rules, a team will do everything possible to win. So what rules would you change? Add on the constraint that you do still need to make money.

The one I want (which I know is on the table because we discussed it back then) is limiting number of pitchers on roster in a given time. Can't do the relief and nobody over 100 pitches crap if you're not allowed that many pitchers.
 
and pitchers who were masters of location (Gregg Maddux)
I grabbed this snippet because the next thing coming is the Robo-Umps. People are clamoring for it, but once you do that pitchers that pitch like Maddux did are automatically eliminated from the game.

Those types of pitchers will no longer get that wider strike zone because each ump has their own strike zone and Maddux knew that if he hit his spots consistently those umps would give him those pitches based on their strike zone.

The Robo-Ump strike zone removes so much of the romanticism of the game. No more ump strategy. No more arguments between managers and umps. MLB is trying to make the game sterile like a video game.

People at work will no longer talk about: "Hey, we got Barksdale behind the dish tonight. Our guys better be swinging because that guy calls everything." GONE.

Baseball has always been my first sporting love. Analytics has ruined it already. Now MLB is just finishing the job. Makes me sad.
 
and pitchers who were masters of location (Gregg Maddux)
I grabbed this snippet because the next thing coming is the Robo-Umps. People are clamoring for it, but once you do that pitchers that pitch like Maddux did are automatically eliminated from the game.

Those types of pitchers will no longer get that wider strike zone because each ump has their own strike zone and Maddux knew that if he hit his spots consistently those umps would give him those pitches based on their strike zone.

The Robo-Ump strike zone removes so much of the romanticism of the game. No more ump strategy. No more arguments between managers and umps. MLB is trying to make the game sterile like a video game.

People at work will no longer talk about: "Hey, we got Barksdale behind the dish tonight. Our guys better be swinging because that guy calls everything." GONE.

Baseball has always been my first sporting love. Analytics has ruined it already. Now MLB is just finishing the job. Makes me sad.
SPOT ON POST.

The human element has been eliminated in todays sports. Because there is way too much money involved now with gambling and contracts. Robo Umps will all but close the book on MLB baseball for me personally. There will be no more strategy left. And you are right....it will sterilize the game to the point of.....

Who cares anymore.

And the amount of offense will go up....no doubt. Robo Umps will be here permanently in 2026. I personally hope not......but it seems inevitable.
 
Those types of pitchers will no longer get that wider strike zone because each ump has their own strike zone and Maddux knew that if he hit his spots consistently those umps would give him those pitches based on their strike zone.
I agree the thinking pitchers will be lessened but I think the Robo ump will actually benefit the accurate pitchers because there are plenty of unhittable pitches that are technically strikes that will drive fans/players/coaches crazy because they won't look like strikes. There are many pitches every game that robo ump says is a strike that are unhittable and don't look like strikes. Pitches that dive at the last minute that catch the corner at the knees on the downward path that goes right in the dirt afterwards.

Robo ump will be more consistent but it won't stop complaints. They will just be different complaints.
 
Those types of pitchers will no longer get that wider strike zone because each ump has their own strike zone and Maddux knew that if he hit his spots consistently those umps would give him those pitches based on their strike zone.
I agree the thinking pitchers will be lessened but I think the Robo ump will actually benefit the accurate pitchers because there are plenty of unhittable pitches that are technically strikes that will drive fans/players/coaches crazy because they won't look like strikes. There are many pitches every game that robo ump says is a strike that are unhittable and don't look like strikes. Pitches that dive at the last minute that catch the corner at the knees on the downward path that goes right in the dirt afterwards.

Robo ump will be more consistent but it won't stop complaints. They will just be different complaints.
I guess we will wait and see how it goes.
 
And the amount of offense will go up....no doubt. Robo Umps will be here permanently in 2026. I personally hope not......but it seems inevitable.
I am not sure about that. Pitchers that can master control will have a huge advantage at hitting the corners with movement for unhittable pitches. I think a guy like Maddux would hone his craft to take advantage of that kind of thing. It will take time but I think it will happen.
 
Those types of pitchers will no longer get that wider strike zone because each ump has their own strike zone and Maddux knew that if he hit his spots consistently those umps would give him those pitches based on their strike zone.
I agree the thinking pitchers will be lessened but I think the Robo ump will actually benefit the accurate pitchers because there are plenty of unhittable pitches that are technically strikes that will drive fans/players/coaches crazy because they won't look like strikes. There are many pitches every game that robo ump says is a strike that are unhittable and don't look like strikes. Pitches that dive at the last minute that catch the corner at the knees on the downward path that goes right in the dirt afterwards.

Robo ump will be more consistent but it won't stop complaints. They will just be different complaints.
I guess we will wait and see how it goes.
Don't both yall have kids playing at a high level? What do they think?
 
Those types of pitchers will no longer get that wider strike zone because each ump has their own strike zone and Maddux knew that if he hit his spots consistently those umps would give him those pitches based on their strike zone.
I agree the thinking pitchers will be lessened but I think the Robo ump will actually benefit the accurate pitchers because there are plenty of unhittable pitches that are technically strikes that will drive fans/players/coaches crazy because they won't look like strikes. There are many pitches every game that robo ump says is a strike that are unhittable and don't look like strikes. Pitches that dive at the last minute that catch the corner at the knees on the downward path that goes right in the dirt afterwards.

Robo ump will be more consistent but it won't stop complaints. They will just be different complaints.
I guess we will wait and see how it goes.
Don't both yall have kids playing at a high level? What do they think?
My kid is a pitcher. He doesn't want robo-ump.


ETA: Here was his response to me asking him if given his choice as a pitcher would he want 100% robo-ump calling pitches: "Not at all. As a batter I would. There's definitely more balls called strikes than vice versa"
 
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Those types of pitchers will no longer get that wider strike zone because each ump has their own strike zone and Maddux knew that if he hit his spots consistently those umps would give him those pitches based on their strike zone.
I agree the thinking pitchers will be lessened but I think the Robo ump will actually benefit the accurate pitchers because there are plenty of unhittable pitches that are technically strikes that will drive fans/players/coaches crazy because they won't look like strikes. There are many pitches every game that robo ump says is a strike that are unhittable and don't look like strikes. Pitches that dive at the last minute that catch the corner at the knees on the downward path that goes right in the dirt afterwards.

Robo ump will be more consistent but it won't stop complaints. They will just be different complaints.
I guess we will wait and see how it goes.
I think the best of both worlds is how some of the minor leagues treat it now. Give the player the option to go to robo-ump on blatant bad calls. It's quick and gets it basically right. It still allows human umps to control the zone and give the option of correcting obviously bad calls.
 
and pitchers who were masters of location (Gregg Maddux)
I grabbed this snippet because the next thing coming is the Robo-Umps. People are clamoring for it, but once you do that pitchers that pitch like Maddux did are automatically eliminated from the game.

Those types of pitchers will no longer get that wider strike zone because each ump has their own strike zone and Maddux knew that if he hit his spots consistently those umps would give him those pitches based on their strike zone.

The Robo-Ump strike zone removes so much of the romanticism of the game. No more ump strategy. No more arguments between managers and umps. MLB is trying to make the game sterile like a video game.

People at work will no longer talk about: "Hey, we got Barksdale behind the dish tonight. Our guys better be swinging because that guy calls everything." GONE.

Baseball has always been my first sporting love. Analytics has ruined it already. Now MLB is just finishing the job. Makes me sad.
I am hoping they don't go robo umps, but I am afraid you are right. I wouldn't mind seeing a compromise and going with the challenge system. Each team gets so many challenges and the only the pitcher or batter can challenge. If you win the challenge you keep it, if you lose, you lose the challenge. From what I have heard and seen at the minor league level, the challenge happens pretty quick so they wouldn't waste much time.
 
People at work will no longer talk about: "Hey, we got Barksdale behind the dish tonight. Our guys better be swinging because that guy calls everything." GONE.

Does this actually happen?

Bad/controversial umps are viewed as such more for their inconsistency and attitude than the size of their strike zone. With Angel Hernandez retired now, is there even a guy who's the consensus worst ump? C.B. Bucknor maybe?
 
A bunch of FA signings today led by Willy Adames to the Giants for 7/$182M. Seems like a lot of years but it's not my money.

Tyler O'Neill to Baltimore is a good Santander replacement if he stays healthy.

Clay Holmes to the Mets who plan to try him as a SP :oldunsure:
 
People at work will no longer talk about: "Hey, we got Barksdale behind the dish tonight. Our guys better be swinging because that guy calls everything." GONE.

Does this actually happen?

Bad/controversial umps are viewed as such more for their inconsistency and attitude than the size of their strike zone. With Angel Hernandez retired now, is there even a guy who's the consensus worst ump? C.B. Bucknor maybe?

Other than Hernandez, I don't think I know another ump's name. I've been a baseball fan for 45ish years and I've never heard people talk about who was going to be umping the game that night.
 
Just seems so insane to pay that much. He's a GREAT player, but it's 11% of your offense. Just wild.
He was offered 16/760 by the Yankees.

Have fun being on that second rate BS organization known as the Mets.

Get ready for

.260
30 HR
90 rbi

For a cool 51MM per year in that lineup.

Lol Soto had a chance to be a Yankees Legend. Instead he will laugh all the way to the bank being a good Met but not a legendary player.

God It’s incredible the money
being thrown around.

So the Yankees will now turn their attention to Alex Bregman and some pitching.

No worries.
 
Just seems so insane to pay that much. He's a GREAT player, but it's 11% of your offense. Just wild.
You’re right. But then again I think he’s the hardest player to get out in baseball and if you have unlimited money, why not?
In the Yankees lineup he is….not anymore.
really? did you miss what he did with the nationals and padres? wild take to think he was a hard out because he was on the yankees
 
Just seems so insane to pay that much. He's a GREAT player, but it's 11% of your offense. Just wild.
You’re right. But then again I think he’s the hardest player to get out in baseball and if you have unlimited money, why not?
In the Yankees lineup he is….not anymore.
really? did you miss what he did with the nationals and padres? wild take to think he was a hard out because he was on the yankees
Agreed. He has a career OBP of .421. I can’t think of a harder out in baseball. Hard to believe but the guy has actually been underrated as hell in his career.
 
Just seems so insane to pay that much. He's a GREAT player, but it's 11% of your offense. Just wild.
You’re right. But then again I think he’s the hardest player to get out in baseball and if you have unlimited money, why not?
In the Yankees lineup he is….not anymore.
really? did you miss what he did with the nationals and padres? wild take to think he was a hard out because he was on the yankees
Yeah yeah he is a hard out.

He will never produce a season like he did with the Yankees again.

You can mark that down.
 
Just seems so insane to pay that much. He's a GREAT player, but it's 11% of your offense. Just wild.
You’re right. But then again I think he’s the hardest player to get out in baseball and if you have unlimited money, why not?
In the Yankees lineup he is….not anymore.
really? did you miss what he did with the nationals and padres? wild take to think he was a hard out because he was on the yankees
Agreed. He has a career OBP of .421. I can’t think of a harder out in baseball. Hard to believe but the guy has actually been underrated as hell in his career.
I think he is a heck of hitter…one of the best I have seen.

But they are paying for that Yankee season thinking that’s what they will get.

No they won’t. They will get the 2022 National/Padres Soto.

He has zero protection in that lineup.

None.
 
Yankees' lineup looks a lot less menacing w/out Soto. Even with Dominguez coming up, they still have to be in on one of the top remaining bats although it's a big step down from Soto to the likes of Santander, Alonso and Christian Walker.
 
Holy sour grapes, Batman
Damn straight we have sour grapes.

**** that guy.

I don’t wish him well…..I hope he sucks balls.

Is that wrong! He went to a cross town rival…..choke on that contract bitches.
al/nl are rivals now? Cocaine is a helluva drug
Just checked Google Maps and they're 15 minutes away from each other. Gotta be the two closest playing fields in sports right?
 

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