***OFFICIAL*** 2nd Presidential Debate Thread: Trump unhinging (1 Viewer)

[Sconch]

I agree, but saying the things he did in the debate has no place in politics.

The term "tin pot dictator" comes to mind.

 

[Sconch]

Imagine if Hillary said any of the following things:

"When I'm elected I'm going to sic the IRS on you."

"When I'm elected I'm going to have the FBI look into the allegations that you raped a child."

"When I'm elected I'm going to have the departments of Labor and Commerce investigate all of those shady business dealings you've been accused of."

 

[NCCommish]

Imagine if Hillary said any of the following things:

"When I'm elected I'm going to sic the IRS on you."

"When I'm elected I'm going to have the FBI look into the allegations that you raped a child."

"When I'm elected I'm going to have the departments of Labor and Commerce investigate all of those shady business dealings you've been accused of."

Maybe all those things should happen. 

 

[The General]

Imagine if Hillary said any of the following things:

"When I'm elected I'm going to sic the IRS on you."

"When I'm elected I'm going to have the FBI look into the allegations that you raped a child."

"When I'm elected I'm going to have the departments of Labor and Commerce investigate all of those shady business dealings you've been accused of."

When I get elected I will grab all the #####.

To be fair, Bill may have said that. 

 

[NCCommish]

So are we saying as soon as you announce a presidential run your actions in the past, even illegal ones, can never be looked into or adjudicated? And anyone who says different hates democracy? Wants to be dictator?

 

[Sconch]

Maybe all those things should happen. 

Again, not the point. 

 

[JZilla]

When I get elected I will grab all the #####.

To be fair, Bill may have said that. 

To be fair, Bill probably wasn't much different from Trump in those ##### grabbing ways

But the Donald sucks in so so many others

 

[JZilla]

Why is NCC losing his mind, is this normal?

 

[Gr00vus]

Why is NCC losing his mind, is this normal?

He goes through cycles. There are still some lucid thoughts even then though.

 

[The General]

Honestly Trump has probably said 200 things that you could play the "what if Hillary said" game. It's been one of the craziest things about this election.

 

[NCCommish]

Why is NCC losing his mind, is this normal?

I haven't lost anything. Just not overlooking the issues with your preferred candidate. Also fine with calling people out over things they say and do. But let's be at leat relatively fair minded. Most of what Trump says he deserves to be pilloried for. Just not sure this particular deal with the special prosecutor talk is one of them. Also would like to know how far down the rabbit hole we are willing to go to shield anyone from the fallout of past indiscretions and law breaking just because they are running a national campaign.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I am indeed a huge fan of Bernie -- but I'm not one of the people beating the "rigged primary" drum. Bernie wasn't a Democrat, and I wouldn't expect the party to fully embrace anyone who just joined in order to run a Presidential campaign. Plus, at the end of the day, it wasn't close. I was disappointed in the primary results, but that happens sometimes in a democracy.

I'll go farther.  I supported Bernie in the primary because I wanted to move the conversation in a more progressive direction, but I've never felt he would be a better President than Clinton.  Not for a second.  Bernie's heart is in the right place, but when I look at the bills he authors, I don't see fully formed legislation.  He lacks the chops to get into the weeds and work out details.  Seriously, the Too Big to Fail Act is all of like two paragraphs, it's not a piece of legislation so much as a press release.

The Democrats have elected a career public servant.  And that comes with plenty of attendant baggage.  If you want to label her a neocon Hawk, it's easy to focus on the Iraq vote.  If you want to label her a spineless enabler, it's easy to focus on the Iran deal.  Never mind that those are two kind of mutually exclusive positions.  She wants socialized medicine but is in the pocket of moneyed special interests. 

 

[cstu]

I haven't lost anything. Just not overlooking the issues with your preferred candidate. Also fine with calling people out over things they say and do. But let's be at leat relatively fair minded. Most of what Trump says he deserves to be pilloried for. Just not sure this particular deal with the special prosecutor talk is one of them. Also would like to know how far down the rabbit hole we are willing to go to shield anyone from the fallout of past indiscretions and law breaking just because they are running a national campaign.

I feel we're talking about different things.  The emails should be discussed in the debates as it does shed light on her decision-making and trustworthiness.  However, the legal aspect has already been determined at this point by the FBI and current Attorney General and has no place in the debates, especially Trump acting as if he has the sole ability to put her in jail. 

 

[NCCommish]

I'll go farther.  I supported Bernie in the primary because I wanted to move the conversation in a more progressive direction, but I've never felt he would be a better President than Clinton.  Not for a second.  Bernie's heart is in the right place, but when I look at the bills he authors, I don't see fully formed legislation.  He lacks the chops to get into the weeds and work out details.  Seriously, the Too Big to Fail Act is all of like two paragraphs, it's not a piece of legislation so much as a press release.

The Democrats have elected a career public servant.  And that comes with plenty of attendant baggage.  If you want to label her a neocon Hawk, it's easy to focus on the Iraq vote.  If you want to label her a spineless enabler, it's easy to focus on the Iran deal.  Never mind that those are two kind of mutually exclusive positions.  She wants socialized medicine but is in the pocket of moneyed special interests. 

You can focus on everything she has said about her approach as president on foreign policy and come to the conclusion she is a Neocon hawk. You can look at who she surrounds herself with and come to that conclusion. You don't have to go the Iraq vote.

 

[cstu]

I'll go farther.  I supported Bernie in the primary because I wanted to move the conversation in a more progressive direction, but I've never felt he would be a better President than Clinton.  Not for a second.  Bernie's heart is in the right place, but when I look at the bills he authors, I don't see fully formed legislation.  He lacks the chops to get into the weeds and work out details.  Seriously, the Too Big to Fail Act is all of like two paragraphs, it's not a piece of legislation so much as a press release.

The Democrats have elected a career public servant.  And that comes with plenty of attendant baggage.  If you want to label her a neocon Hawk, it's easy to focus on the Iraq vote.  If you want to label her a spineless enabler, it's easy to focus on the Iran deal.  Never mind that those are two kind of mutually exclusive positions.  She wants socialized medicine but is in the pocket of moneyed special interests. 

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I'll go farther.  I supported Bernie in the primary because I wanted to move the conversation in a more progressive direction, but I've never felt he would be a better President than Clinton.  Not for a second.  Bernie's heart is in the right place, but when I look at the bills he authors, I don't see fully formed legislation.  He lacks the chops to get into the weeds and work out details.  Seriously, the Too Big to Fail Act is all of like two paragraphs, it's not a piece of legislation so much as a press release.

The Democrats have elected a career public servant.  And that comes with plenty of attendant baggage.  If you want to label her a neocon Hawk, it's easy to focus on the Iraq vote.  If you want to label her a spineless enabler, it's easy to focus on the Iran deal.  Never mind that those are two kind of mutually exclusive positions.  She wants socialized medicine but is in the pocket of moneyed special interests. 

Well said. Bernie is a firebrand ideologue -- I agree with much of what he stands for (although IMO he is dead wrong on the economy / trade) but there is no way he would be able to make the compromises needed to effectively govern the country.

 

[culdeus]

Why are people still posting in here? The debate is over.  Keep this to one thread.

 

[NCCommish]

I feel we're talking about different things.  The emails should be discussed in the debates as it does shed light on her decision-making and trustworthiness.  However, the legal aspect has already been determined at this point by the FBI and current Attorney General and has no place in the debates, especially Trump acting as if he has the sole ability to put her in jail. 

They should have appointed a special prosecutor to start with. There are obvious conflicts with Hillary being investigated by this DOJ. Now that prosecutor may have come to the same conclusion but at least there wouldn't be this air of possible impropriety. 

And lets.keep in mind I was.one.pf.the people saying just let.it go. I was one of the Bernie supporters who thought he did the right thing in not discussing them. Doesn't mean handling it a different way wouldn't have been better.

And if Trump did business in Cuba during the embargo someone should be looking into that as well. Regardless of his current status.

 

[Mario Kart]

Let's pretend that you could control what thousands of other voters did and you waved your magic wand and make them all vote a certain way- do you actually think that would change not only the outcome of your state but also the general? Do you see how silly that sounds?

Again, people in my position who want to vote third party but are more afraid of Trump winning the state, will vote for Clinton versus the third party. How is this difficult to understand? 

 

[humpback]

Depends on the district and the state, doesn't it? See U.S. Presidential election, 2000.

Not really, but we're talking about this particular election, which is going to be a blow out of epic proportions.

You could probably count them up, just in this thread, and it would be a significant percentage imo.  Count me as one, although I'm not in a swing state so my one vote really doesn't matter.

We must have very different definitions of "significant percentage". Certainly not enough to even move the needle in the electoral count, never mind change the outcome.

 

[humpback]

Again, people in my position who want to vote third party but are more afraid of Trump winning the state, will vote for Clinton versus the third party. How is this difficult to understand? 

It's not difficult to understand, people are pretty dumb. Not voting for your preferred candidate because you think it will swing the outcome of the election is lunacy.

 

[tonydead]

Again, people in my position who want to vote third party but are more afraid of Trump winning the state, will vote for Clinton versus the third party. How is this difficult to understand? 

It's not, let the troll go, he's just fishing.  

 

[Capella]

Regardless of who you are voting for this was the best line of the debates...Martha had to tell the crowd to stop cheering.

Sure, if you're watching for message board #### talking and you post a dozen Facebook memes every day. 

Most of us thought one candidate threatening to prosecute another was sad and depressing for the republic. Some of us are also more critical thinkers than others though and aren't just in it the LOLs

 

[Arodin]

If someone abstains, that tells me they really believe Hillary is on par with Trump as a person, a human being and potential leader of the nation. Much as I respect these people's opinions on many matters (some who I respect far more than most, here), it's hard to respect the opinion that Hillary, faulted as she is, in comparable to Trump.

It's just not the case and it's not close. Hard to see how anyone could see that (unless they really buy into the nationalist and often racist demagoguery and I firmly believe that's not at all the case with the folks I am thinking of right now). 

Don't discount the substantial number of single-issue voters.

Take for instance those who are convinced that abortion is murder, and could never vote for a candidate that supports it.  These voters quite possibly detest Trump the human being even more than Hillary, but would still never vote for Clinton.

I think this accounts for a decent portion of the Trump vs. Stay Home group.

 

[Koya]

Don't discount the substantial number of single-issue voters.

Take for instance those who are convinced that abortion is murder, and could never vote for a candidate that supports it.  These voters quite possibly detest Trump the human being even more than Hillary, but would still never vote for Clinton.

I think this accounts for a decent portion of the Trump vs. Stay Home group.

That is actually a very fair point.  

While I certainly don't agree with those who seek to limit the rights of a woman to make decisions for her body and her embryo / unborn, its hard to not respect that someone thinks they are actually saving a life.  

 

[Ignoramus]

Remind me again what's Donald's "position" on abortion these days?

(Other than "best $200 you'll ever spend.")

 

[rockaction]

Imagine if Hillary said any of the following things:

"When I'm elected I'm going to sic the IRS on you."

"When I'm elected I'm going to have the FBI look into the allegations that you raped a child."

"When I'm elected I'm going to have the departments of Labor and Commerce investigate all of those shady business dealings you've been accused of."

Obama joked about auditing his adversaries, and then the IRS had to apologize to Tea Party groups for unbecoming conduct by an executive agency, so there's that.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Uh oh.  Now its more than just locker room talk - photographic evidence released of Trump grabbing a #####

 

[Bob Magaw]

It's clutch time.

Is Trump a Tom Brady or a Tony Romo? 

Conrad Dobler or Richie Incognito?

 

[Sconch]

Obama joked about auditing his adversaries, and then the IRS had to apologize to Tea Party groups for unbecoming conduct by an executive agency, so there's that.

"Joked" is the key word here.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Trump should come out shirtless

Riding on a bear behind Putin.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Anybody else nervous about Trump standing behind Hilary like this?  

THE KILLER IS IN THE HOUSE!

 

[Bob Magaw]

Does Trump think that every senator can individually change the laws based on whatever they want?

Whether she was First Lady, Senator or Sec. Of State, every bad thing that has ever happened to the country in the past 30 years is 100% her fault (plus she had time to found ISIS) BECAUSE... of course it is.

 

[Zerp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB2zoidUeLU