**** Official Aaron Rodgers injury thread ***** (2 Viewers)

[Team Smokin']

1. McCarthy: Rodgers not ruled out for Falcons-Packers tilt | Watch

Sounds like he'll play once he is cleared... Packers don't say he will be put on IR if they're out of the playoffs. All outside conjuncture

I'm not saying this is coach-speak, but what do you expect him to say? "We realize that our season probably isn't going anywhere. We're not going to beat Atlanta, and we're not going to make the playoffs. Even if we do, we aren't going to go very far. So, for those reasons, we have decided to put Rodgers on IR, even if he is healthy enough to play in week 15, 16, or 17."

Again, I'm not saying GB WILL put Rodgers on IR, but that McCarthy isn't going to come out and say they've talked/thought about it, even if they had.

I agree, but IR is only a possibility if they are eliminated so it's not something they are contemplating right now. Not many here are giving them a chance in the playoffs but I would bet my house that the Packers believe they can win with Rodgers healthy. All this changes if Rodgers doesn't play this week and they lose to the Falcons.

This is a pivotal and must win for the Packers this week. They can win and keep playoff hopes alive by winning with or without Rogers. That being said, all the talk that Green Bay is not a very good football team, porous Defense, etc. is horse____. Before the injury Green Bay was a very good team. Perhaps not in the elite category of a Seattle or Denver, nevertheless, a good football team that can beat anybody. Denver is not infallible and neither is Seattle on the road. Green Bay going to Seattle..................well, I would side with the Seahawks to win, but, that's why they play the game. Anything can happen on any given Sunday and teams can get hot that were once .500 or below and win it all. Heck, even the New York football Giants could end up being Super Bowl champs after their dismal season. Highly unlikely, but ya never know.

 

[DiStefano]

I don't buy this thing (that Joe keeps saying) about shutting Rodgers down for the rest of the year. Once you determine that he is healed from the break, he's healed. There is no more reason to shut him down than any other qb. He may not play this week, but when he's ready to play, he'll play.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I don't buy this thing (that Joe keeps saying) about shutting Rodgers down for the rest of the year. Once you determine that he is healed from the break, he's healed. There is no more reason to shut him down than any other qb. He may not play this week, but when he's ready to play, he'll play.

100% agreed. There's no talk of Atlanta shutting down Matt Ryan, Pittsburgh shutting down Ben Roethlisberger, etc. Nor should there be. This is an absolute black and white medical issue: when the doctors say he can play, he'll play, regardless of anything else, whether it's this week, week 17, or in 2014.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Disagree that this is not a "black and white" medical issue. How many examples across a myriad of sports have star athletes played despite not getting a full bill of health? It's become part of the lexicon that "leave it on the floor" despite "being 70 or 80 percent". The world of sports vernacular is full of these idioms, and they are not isolated or random. They are very common.

Now in the case of Rodgers, assuming he gets medical clearance to play, for an injury like this one, there will be some caveat that must be ignored in order for Rodgers to assume that risk, right? Doc will probably assure him he can take 90 percent plus of the possible hits or falls he could take in a typical game. But nobody can guarantee Rodgers he won't really screw it up. Does he or the team take a chance, however remote that is, based on a simple litmus medical test? I personally don't think so. Playoffs would have to be the driver.

 

[sho nuff]

Ive never seen people so upset that fans have gone the opposite of having blind homer faith...and are mad about people being disappointed and realistic about how a team is playing.

Quite odd.

I find it funny that when the Packers are playing well their fans are OMG!11 NO ONE CAN BEAT US! but when things aren't going well they think they have no chance at all - even against the lousy Falcons at Lambeau.

Im not sure I have read too many fans ever talk about NO ONE CAN BEAT US!.

Despite some people's claims on this board...we have no real ITS.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Aaron Rodgers (collarbone) participated in individual drills at Wednesday's practice.

Just like last week, Rodgers took all of his snaps from the backup centers. Matt Flynn took the first-team reps and is being prepared to start against the Falcons. Beat writers noticed Rodgers had plenty of zip on his passes, but they were mostly in the short-to-intermediate range. Rodgers also didn't move around much, taking quick drop-backs. He appears less than 50-50 to play Sunday.


Source: Rob Demovsky on Twitter

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Ive never seen people so upset that fans have gone the opposite of having blind homer faith...and are mad about people being disappointed and realistic about how a team is playing.

Quite odd.

I find it funny that when the Packers are playing well their fans are OMG!11 NO ONE CAN BEAT US! but when things aren't going well they think they have no chance at all - even against the lousy Falcons at Lambeau.

Im not sure I have read too many fans ever talk about NO ONE CAN BEAT US!.

Despite some people's claims on this board...we have no real ITS.

and...

for not have any self-appointed aggrandizing dooshebag fan in your Packer Nation.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Why wouldn't they go with Tolzien? I mean Flynn might be the worst QB in the NFL.

 

[General Tso]

Rotoworld:

Aaron Rodgers (collarbone) participated in individual drills at Wednesday's practice.

Just like last week, Rodgers took all of his snaps from the backup centers. Matt Flynn took the first-team reps and is being prepared to start against the Falcons. Beat writers noticed Rodgers had plenty of zip on his passes, but they were mostly in the short-to-intermediate range. Rodgers also didn't move around much, taking quick drop-backs. He appears less than 50-50 to play Sunday.

Source: Rob Demovsky on Twitter

Just my own speculation, but I'd say it looks like Flynn this week and Rodgers in week 15.

 

[cstu]

Rotoworld:

Aaron Rodgers (collarbone) participated in individual drills at Wednesday's practice.

Just like last week, Rodgers took all of his snaps from the backup centers. Matt Flynn took the first-team reps and is being prepared to start against the Falcons. Beat writers noticed Rodgers had plenty of zip on his passes, but they were mostly in the short-to-intermediate range. Rodgers also didn't move around much, taking quick drop-backs. He appears less than 50-50 to play Sunday.

Source: Rob Demovsky on Twitter

Just my own speculation, but I'd say it looks like Flynn this week and Rodgers in week 15.

Assuming the Packers beat the Falcons.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Blind faith and prayers to speculate a week 15 return. This has all the same vibe as the long drawn out early season Gronk watch that lasted week after week. Supposedly due to get medical clearance any day and it just kept on going. Nothing in the blue font indicates any optimism that anything has changed at all from last week to this week. This mimics to a T the Gronk injury watch.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Why wouldn't they go with Tolzien? I mean Flynn might be the worst QB in the NFL.

I agree

Maybe Flynn will do better at home, but he looked downright scared vs detroit

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Why wouldn't they go with Tolzien? I mean Flynn might be the worst QB in the NFL.

I agree

Maybe Flynn will do better at home, but he looked downright scared vs detroit

Glad to see you come around. I told you the boys in Honolulu blue would crush him. Ye of little faith.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Why wouldn't they go with Tolzien? I mean Flynn might be the worst QB in the NFL.

I agree

Maybe Flynn will do better at home, but he looked downright scared vs detroit

Glad to see you come around. I told you the boys in Honolulu blue would crush him. Ye of little faith.

I haven't seen much of Tolzien. I watched the Thanksgiving Day Massacre & that was enough for my eyes. If they don't like Tolzien over Flynn, then he should be cut because it can't get much worse.

 

[cstu]

I don't buy this thing (that Joe keeps saying) about shutting Rodgers down for the rest of the year. Once you determine that he is healed from the break, he's healed. There is no more reason to shut him down than any other qb. He may not play this week, but when he's ready to play, he'll play.

100% agreed. There's no talk of Atlanta shutting down Matt Ryan, Pittsburgh shutting down Ben Roethlisberger, etc. Nor should there be. This is an absolute black and white medical issue: when the doctors say he can play, he'll play, regardless of anything else, whether it's this week, week 17, or in 2014.

If he's healed 100% he'll play even if they are out of contention. However, I think he's pushing it to truly be "fully healed" to play at any time this season since week 17 will be 8 weeks.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

If he's healed 100% he'll play even if they are out of contention. However, I think he's pushing it to truly be "fully healed" to play at any time this season since week 17 will be 8 weeks.

aye, there's the rub. how can you be so sure that he'll elect to play or more importantly that the franchise will let him play inside an 8 week timeframe, knowing that there's no way to reasonably call it a 100% recovery? some hypocrisy on all fronts has to come into play to make that collective call.

 

[Da Gildz]

Think its pretty obvious he's OUT this week, not sure why they just dont rule him out

 

[sho nuff]

Why wouldn't they go with Tolzien? I mean Flynn might be the worst QB in the NFL.

McCarthy feels Flynn knows the offense better and can run the check downs...though, it seemed he either did not check into different plays or McCarthy wasn't letting him this past week.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Wouldn't any decent defensive coordinator know how to train for and attack a limited QB like Flynn who relies on the checkdown and has girly armed strength and accuracy? Why would McCarthy roll with Flynn, he gives them no chance to win.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Why wouldn't they go with Tolzien? I mean Flynn might be the worst QB in the NFL.

I agree

Maybe Flynn will do better at home, but he looked downright scared vs detroit

Glad to see you come around. I told you the boys in Honolulu blue would crush him. Ye of little faith.

Ive been Lionized.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reports the Packers haven't discussed shutting down Aaron Rodgers (collarbone) for the rest of the regular season.
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport first reported last weekend that the Packers had been considering the move. Since then, both coach Mike McCarthy and Rodgers himself have vehemently denied that the team has had internal conversations about possibly ending the former MVP's season. Right now, Rodgers is participating in individual drills at practice. He hopes to ratchet up his activity Thursday and play Sunday, but it seems like a long shot. All we can do right now is play the waiting game and hope that Rodgers can at least returns in Weeks 15 and 16.

Source: FOX Football Daily

 

[Stinger Ray]

Why wouldn't they go with Tolzien? I mean Flynn might be the worst QB in the NFL.

McCarthy feels Flynn knows the offense better and can run the check downs...though, it seemed he either did not check into different plays or McCarthy wasn't letting him this past week.

The problem with Flynn is he can't stretch the field! His noodle arm is beyond awful.

 

[Phenix]

Why wouldn't they go with Tolzien? I mean Flynn might be the worst QB in the NFL.

McCarthy feels Flynn knows the offense better and can run the check downs...though, it seemed he either did not check into different plays or McCarthy wasn't letting him this past week.

The problem with Flynn is he can't stretch the field! His noodle arm is beyond awful.

Makes Lacy useless. They will put anyone in the box not playing out on a WR.

You will see 9 in the box at times when they run two wide, watch.

Who needs safeties when your best safety is Matt Flynns arm?

 

[sho nuff]

Why wouldn't they go with Tolzien? I mean Flynn might be the worst QB in the NFL.

McCarthy feels Flynn knows the offense better and can run the check downs...though, it seemed he either did not check into different plays or McCarthy wasn't letting him this past week.

The problem with Flynn is he can't stretch the field! His noodle arm is beyond awful.

I agree with you and don't see the logic in it.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

@ProFootballDoc: If @AaronRodgers12 plays and reinjures (fracture displaced), subsequent surgery would take 3 months to recover with minimal long term issue.

 

[Phenix]

@ProFootballDoc: If @AaronRodgers12 plays and reinjures (fracture displaced), subsequent surgery would take 3 months to recover with minimal long term issue.

So if the season is lost if he dont play, why not risk it and play if long term effects are minimal?

 

[CariocaSean]

Why wouldn't they go with Tolzien? I mean Flynn might be the worst QB in the NFL.

McCarthy feels Flynn knows the offense better and can run the check downs...though, it seemed he either did not check into different plays or McCarthy wasn't letting him this past week.

The problem with Flynn is he can't stretch the field! His noodle arm is beyond awful.

I agree with you and don't see the logic in it.

Can we at least agree that Flynn came in and gave the team a spark during the Vikings game after Tolzien struggled badly?

 

[fantasycurse42]

Why wouldn't they go with Tolzien? I mean Flynn might be the worst QB in the NFL.

McCarthy feels Flynn knows the offense better and can run the check downs...though, it seemed he either did not check into different plays or McCarthy wasn't letting him this past week.

The problem with Flynn is he can't stretch the field! His noodle arm is beyond awful.

I agree with you and don't see the logic in it.

Can we at least agree that Flynn came in and gave the team a spark during the Vikings game after Tolzien struggled badly?

Didnt see the Vikes game, only saw the Thanksgiving Day Disaster! All I can say is the criticism of his arm looked fairly accurate - Man coverage and stack the box against him, pretty simple and easy formula, he can't make the throws to beat it. Tolzien to me is more of a wildcard. I mean give him a few more games to see if he can do anything, he can't be worse than Flynn, can he?

 

[sho nuff]

Why wouldn't they go with Tolzien? I mean Flynn might be the worst QB in the NFL.

McCarthy feels Flynn knows the offense better and can run the check downs...though, it seemed he either did not check into different plays or McCarthy wasn't letting him this past week.

The problem with Flynn is he can't stretch the field! His noodle arm is beyond awful.

I agree with you and don't see the logic in it.

Can we at least agree that Flynn came in and gave the team a spark during the Vikings game after Tolzien struggled badly?

Sure...he did that game. So it made sense to go with him the next game. They moved the ball with him against Minnesota and not well with Tolzien.

Just don't know at this point if Flynn really gives them the chance to win...or at least open things up.

If they want to play a "play it close...run the ball and take time off the clock" type game...why not do it with a QB that can stretch the field to try and open up some things for Lacy.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

From a coaching standpoint, Packers in a bit of a pickle with the QB situation. They look at the Thanksgiving day tape and wince looking for ways to spin Flynn's work as anything positive. But if they are honest with themselves and what's most conducive to winning, they know they got to go back to Tolzien, right? Just have to.

Problem with that scenario is that they already benched him for poor performance, when they later gave his replacement a ton more slack to suck things up and didn't pull him. So a precedent was set. It's ok to suck as long as you know the offense. Going down in flames but ostensibly running the Packer offense the way it's drawn up in practice is what matters, right?

Geez... I hear the name Flynn and sparkplug in the same sentence? Brutal.

Now if they decide to give Tolzien a shot to start, he's going to be looking over his shoulder wondering if he has enough leash to finish the quarter. So that that hero Flynn can gallantly lead them back to a tie. Home game against a pretty beatable Falcon team and the season on the line. No pressure. None at all.

 

[ghostguy123]

Can someone explain to me how he is not medically cleared to play...then they say he will be limited participant in practice? Or is he simply "cleared" for certain things (running for example) but not others (throwing, contact, etc.)

Basically...he can run and throw...can't take hits.

Rodgers throwing the ball away at any hint of pressure is worth more than 10 Matt Flynns.

This. Take shotgun snaps, throw quick or handoff. Simple.

I want to know this, why does everyone in the no hope camp assume if he plays he will automatically break it again and get hurt?

In theory, good idea. In reality, every defensive player is going to look to hit him hard every chance they get, and I can pretty easily see some late hits.

And why do people think he will break it again?? Because if it isnt fully healed and he gets tackled anywhere remotely close to the way he did when he originally hurt it, it has a pretty significant chance of breaking again.

 

[ghostguy123]

He hopes he is wrong? LOL Really? This whole thread is you begging for people to say you are right and listen to what you have to say Doc.

Forget the fact that he has not been IR'd yet or ruled out and will practice in some fashion, none of that matters.

Well, he hasn't been put on IR because there is no reason to put him on IR....yet.

And, just like before, there is nothing "telling" about him practicing. The only thing that dictates whether or not he plays is whether or not he is healed. This is so, so simple.

 

[ghostguy123]

@ProFootballDoc: If @AaronRodgers12 plays and reinjures (fracture displaced), subsequent surgery would take 3 months to recover with minimal long term issue.

So if the season is lost if he dont play, why not risk it and play if long term effects are minimal?

Because if he plays too soon his chances of breaking it again are super high, in which case the season would be over.

If he sits now, MAYBE they win a game, he gets cleared for week 15, and he is able to play without restriction for the last few weeks, plus the playoffs if they make it.

Just based on strategy alone it is best to sit him for one more game if it means you get him for several more games, as opposed to playing him this week before he is ready, watch him break it again, and the season is 100% over.

 

[Sabertooth]

Flynn held on to the ball too long a few times in the Lions game, but come on, that offensive line got dominated. I think Flynn bounces back to an extent this week. I think 250 and a touchdown or two is pretty reasonable as a prediction.

 

[Phenix]

Flynn held on to the ball too long a few times in the Lions game, but come on, that offensive line got dominated. I think Flynn bounces back to an extent this week. I think 250 and a touchdown or two is pretty reasonable as a prediction.

That was a reasonable prediction last week too, until the game started.

 

[Phenix]

@ProFootballDoc: If @AaronRodgers12 plays and reinjures (fracture displaced), subsequent surgery would take 3 months to recover with minimal long term issue.

So if the season is lost if he dont play, why not risk it and play if long term effects are minimal?

Because if he plays too soon his chances of breaking it again are super high, in which case the season would be over.

If he sits now, MAYBE they win a game, he gets cleared for week 15, and he is able to play without restriction for the last few weeks, plus the playoffs if they make it.

Just based on strategy alone it is best to sit him for one more game if it means you get him for several more games, as opposed to playing him this week before he is ready, watch him break it again, and the season is 100% over.

If they don't win this week season is over, so...

You are clearly against Rodgers from all your posts and if a real doctor says the risk is minimal, why the hate still, because its not DR. Drew?

Newsflash, too many here seem not to agree with him anyways.

 

[ghostguy123]

If they don't win this week season is over, so...

You are clearly against Rodgers from all your posts and if a real doctor says the risk is minimal, why the hate still, because its not DR. Drew?

Newsflash, too many here seem not to agree with him anyways.

True.............but they just MIGHT win this ONE game. I would think it's safe to say their chances are better to win one home game against Atlanta without Rodgers and then win the super bowl with Rodgers.....than to win the super bowl after Rodgers breaks his collarbone again this week.

And what do you mean I am "against" rodgers??

 

[Sabertooth]

Flynn held on to the ball too long a few times in the Lions game, but come on, that offensive line got dominated. I think Flynn bounces back to an extent this week. I think 250 and a touchdown or two is pretty reasonable as a prediction.

That was a reasonable prediction last week too, until the game started.

I don't think Atlanta's defensive line is anything close to Detroit's. Maybe the Packers unit can give Flynn a few seconds once in a while. I am no Flynn apologist but I thought the line played worse than he did last week.

 

[Phenix]

If they don't win this week season is over, so...

You are clearly against Rodgers from all your posts and if a real doctor says the risk is minimal, why the hate still, because its not DR. Drew?

Newsflash, too many here seem not to agree with him anyways.

True.............but they just MIGHT win this ONE game. I would think it's safe to say their chances are better to win one home game against Atlanta without Rodgers and then win the super bowl with Rodgers.....than to win the super bowl after Rodgers breaks his collarbone again this week.

And what do you mean I am "against" rodgers??

They are 0-4-1 without Rodgers assuming they can win against anyone without him is unreal, even Atlanta at home. Nothing is a given. 0-4-1? Yikes.

Against Rodgers means even with some hope out there, you clearly do not want to see him play. In my opinion.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think Green Bay wins this weekend. It isn't like Atlanta is any good.

 

[Phenix]

Flynn held on to the ball too long a few times in the Lions game, but come on, that offensive line got dominated. I think Flynn bounces back to an extent this week. I think 250 and a touchdown or two is pretty reasonable as a prediction.

That was a reasonable prediction last week too, until the game started.

I don't think Atlanta's defensive line is anything close to Detroit's. Maybe the Packers unit can give Flynn a few seconds once in a while. I am no Flynn apologist but I thought the line played worse than he did last week.

While I agree with you Atlanta D is no Detroit D, but the fact remains they just can't win without Rodgers, they can't and that up to this point is a fact that can't even be debated.

Take this weeks paycheck, you putting it on GB hoping for their first win without him? No your not, at least I hope not.

 

[Phenix]

I think Green Bay wins this weekend. It isn't like Atlanta is any good.

Was Minnesota or Giants? Not to mention all the games were win-able, even the Chicago and Phillygames.

Detroit they had a chance coming in... AND NOTHING.

 

[ghostguy123]

They are 0-4-1 without Rodgers assuming they can win against anyone without him is unreal, even Atlanta at home. Nothing is a given. 0-4-1? Yikes.

Against Rodgers means even with some hope out there, you clearly do not want to see him play. In my opinion.

I would pay money to have him play. I NEED him playing for fantasy purposes. I am also not a Green Bay fan, and dont really care if he gets hurt again. So yeah, clearly I dont want him to play. Nothing is more clear.

If the Jags can win a couple games, pretty sure the Packers can win ONE.

Again, if you think their super bowl chances increase if he plays too soon, then I guess I just disagree.

 

[Sabertooth]

Flynn held on to the ball too long a few times in the Lions game, but come on, that offensive line got dominated. I think Flynn bounces back to an extent this week. I think 250 and a touchdown or two is pretty reasonable as a prediction.

That was a reasonable prediction last week too, until the game started.

I don't think Atlanta's defensive line is anything close to Detroit's. Maybe the Packers unit can give Flynn a few seconds once in a while. I am no Flynn apologist but I thought the line played worse than he did last week.

While I agree with you Atlanta D is no Detroit D, but the fact remains they just can't win without Rodgers, they can't and that up to this point is a fact that can't even be debated.

Take this weeks paycheck, you putting it on GB hoping for their first win without him? No your not, at least I hope not.

I don't think they can't win, I think they haven't won. But I think they can win this game. Of course, I thought that last week and the week before as well. I Rodgers ever wanted to hold out, now would be the time, he's apparently the whole team. Worth 10-12 wins a season all by himself.

 

[Phenix]

Flynn held on to the ball too long a few times in the Lions game, but come on, that offensive line got dominated. I think Flynn bounces back to an extent this week. I think 250 and a touchdown or two is pretty reasonable as a prediction.

That was a reasonable prediction last week too, until the game started.

I don't think Atlanta's defensive line is anything close to Detroit's. Maybe the Packers unit can give Flynn a few seconds once in a while. I am no Flynn apologist but I thought the line played worse than he did last week.

While I agree with you Atlanta D is no Detroit D, but the fact remains they just can't win without Rodgers, they can't and that up to this point is a fact that can't even be debated.

Take this weeks paycheck, you putting it on GB hoping for their first win without him? No your not, at least I hope not.

I don't think they can't win, I think they haven't won. But I think they can win this game. Of course, I thought that last week and the week before as well. I Rodgers ever wanted to hold out, now would be the time, he's apparently the whole team. Worth 10-12 wins a season all by himself.

He would easily make 22-25 maybe 27 a year after this debacle if he held out.

I do feel they just CANT win if Rodgers is out. He is the team the leader of it and its energy. The team doesnt play if he is not there.

 

[Phenix]

They are 0-4-1 without Rodgers assuming they can win against anyone without him is unreal, even Atlanta at home. Nothing is a given. 0-4-1? Yikes.

Against Rodgers means even with some hope out there, you clearly do not want to see him play. In my opinion.

I would pay money to have him play. I NEED him playing for fantasy purposes. I am also not a Green Bay fan, and dont really care if he gets hurt again. So yeah, clearly I dont want him to play. Nothing is more clear.

If the Jags can win a couple games, pretty sure the Packers can win ONE.

Again, if you think their super bowl chances increase if he plays too soon, then I guess I just disagree.

Fair enough. At least you aint attacking me for having a different opinion. lol

 

[Sabertooth]

What does he make now?

 

[Phenix]

What does he make now?

This has all the breakdowns year by year, he just signed an extension.

We know how football contracts are, so he can hold out at any time.

But base salary of 900k in 2014 regardless of bonuses is insane, maybe he will consider it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2013/04/29/aaron-rodgers-contract-extension-numbers/2121573/

2013

Salary cap number: $12 million.

Cash value: $40 million.

Base salary: $4.5 million

Signing bonus: $35 million

Workout bonus: $500,000

2014

Salary cap number: $17.9 million.

Cash value: $10.9 million.

Base salary: $900,000

Roster bonus: $9.5 million (guaranteed against skill and injury).

Workout bonus: $500,000

2015

Salary cap number: $18.6 million.

Cash value: $11.6 million

Base salary: $1 million

Roster bonus: $9.5 million (guaranteed against skill and injury).

Roster bonus: $37,500 per game active, up to a total of $600,000

Workout bonus: $500,000

2016

Salary cap number: $19.6 million.

Cash value: $12.6 million

Base salary: $11.5 million

Roster bonus: $37,500 per game active, up to a total of $600,000

Workout bonus: $500,000

2017

Salary cap number: $20.65.

Cash value: $13.65

Base salary: $12.55 million

Roster bonus: $37,500 per game active, up to a total of $600,000

Workout bonus: $500,000

2018

Salary cap number: $20.9 million.

Cash value: $20.9 million

Base salary: $19.8 million

Roster bonus: $37,500 per game active, up to a total of $600,000

Workout bonus: $500,000

2019

Salary cap number: $21.1 million.

Cash value: $21.1 million

Base salary: $20 million

Roster bonus: $37,500 per game active, up to a total of $600,000

Workout bonus: $500,000

 

[ghostguy123]

Fair enough. At least you aint attacking me for having a different opinion. lol

It's not an opinion if it is just plain wrong, so..............what opinion of yours exactly did I attack>?

 

[CariocaSean]

Why wouldn't they go with Tolzien? I mean Flynn might be the worst QB in the NFL.

McCarthy feels Flynn knows the offense better and can run the check downs...though, it seemed he either did not check into different plays or McCarthy wasn't letting him this past week.

The problem with Flynn is he can't stretch the field! His noodle arm is beyond awful.

I agree with you and don't see the logic in it.

Can we at least agree that Flynn came in and gave the team a spark during the Vikings game after Tolzien struggled badly?

Sure...he did that game. So it made sense to go with him the next game. They moved the ball with him against Minnesota and not well with Tolzien.

Just don't know at this point if Flynn really gives them the chance to win...or at least open things up.

If they want to play a "play it close...run the ball and take time off the clock" type game...why not do it with a QB that can stretch the field to try and open up some things for Lacy.

Tolzien may have a stronger arm, but he looked like a deer in the headlights against Minnesota. Minnesota's defense has been historically bad this season. I just don't think Tolzien has the poise to handle an NFL game right now.

Flynn may not have a great arm but in the Minnesota game he led them to a 2nd half comeback - really the opposite of the bolded above. The thing that I think Flynn can do better is get through his reads in this offense. I would chalk up the Detroit game to having a short week of preparation, playing at Detroit, against what can be a dominating defensive front. Against Atlanta, I believe Flynn gives them the best chance to win. As far as seeing whether Tolzien could be our backup QB for the future, not that worried about that. If I am them I am looking to draft a QB in the 3rd or later who can be developed into a backup. I don't think Tolzien is that guy. He went undrafted and has been kicked around the league on practice squads for a reason.