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**Official ACC/Big Ten Challenge Thread** (1 Viewer)

Tar Heel Boy said:
oso diablo said:
Tar Heel Boy said:
Duke vs Wisconsin - Duke - Seriously, how did they end up playing the Badgers???
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as opposed to whom?
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MSU/Purdue/ heck even Ohio State.
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Yeah, that Duke had to play Wisconsin just wasn't fair...to Duke. Man, that feels good after that game two years ago. I would say I liked Duke before then, but that game made me pretty angry. Going to be fun to see where the Badgers are ranked next week.
 
Capella said:
Is it the second-round of the NCAA tournament already?
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:lol:As a fan of a Big 10 team this means nothing to me. Obviously I want them to win as many of the games as possible to boost RPI, but it really does nothing to show which conference is better, especially when it is within a game or two either way. Swap out a couple of matchups and sites and you could easily swing it the other direction. So I'm glad Purdue won, I'm glad Duke lost, iu sucks, and let's move on..
 
Drunken Cowboy said:
Ramblin Wreck said:
Capella said:
Tar Heel Boy said:
Clemson pulling a major choke job.
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Wow. I spoke a little too soon.How does the ACC determine which team sits out each year? I figured they simply rotate, but I sort of doubt ESPN is ever going to let UNC or Duke miss this event.
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Team that finished in last place last season sits out.
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This is one of the reasons why the ACC always wins.
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Wanna try again? Most of these series were played when the ACC had 9 teams and the Big Ten was sitting out 2 teams.
 
Captain Quinoa said:
Capella said:
Is it the second-round of the NCAA tournament already?
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:scared:As a fan of a Big 10 team this means nothing to me. Obviously I want them to win as many of the games as possible to boost RPI, but it really does nothing to show which conference is better, especially when it is within a game or two either way. Swap out a couple of matchups and sites and you could easily swing it the other direction. So I'm glad Purdue won, I'm glad Duke lost, iu sucks, and let's move on..
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snorlax said:
Tar Heel Boy said:
oso diablo said:
Tar Heel Boy said:
Duke vs Wisconsin - Duke - Seriously, how did they end up playing the Badgers???
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as opposed to whom?
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MSU/Purdue/ heck even Ohio State.
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Yeah, that Duke had to play Wisconsin just wasn't fair...to Duke. Man, that feels good after that game two years ago. I would say I liked Duke before then, but that game made me pretty angry. Going to be fun to see where the Badgers are ranked next week.
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Yeah...some nice wins for Bucky already...Duke, Maryland, Arizona...but got beat pretty bad by Gonzaga. Nice start to the season for the Badgers.
 
sho nuff said:
snorlax said:
Tar Heel Boy said:
oso diablo said:
Tar Heel Boy said:
Duke vs Wisconsin - Duke - Seriously, how did they end up playing the Badgers???
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as opposed to whom?
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MSU/Purdue/ heck even Ohio State.
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Yeah, that Duke had to play Wisconsin just wasn't fair...to Duke. Man, that feels good after that game two years ago. I would say I liked Duke before then, but that game made me pretty angry. Going to be fun to see where the Badgers are ranked next week.
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Yeah...some nice wins for Bucky already...Duke, Maryland, Arizona...but got beat pretty bad by Gonzaga. Nice start to the season for the Badgers.
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Indeed. Wisconsin is much better than everyone thinks. Quite frankly,they looked more athletic than Duke at several positions.
 
Tar Heel Boy said:
Clemson pulling a major choke job.
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Yes they did.I was at the game last night. :lol: :excited: Nice arena....but small. Not sure why it wasn't a sellout. There were about 2K empty seats. Why can't Clemson, ranked in the top 20, sellout their arena for a basketball game against a quality nonconference opponent? Now I know football is big at Clemson, but come on.Clemson basically didn't show up for about 12 minutes in the 2nd half, right when they got up 51-28. Then Illinois went on a 35-10 run to take the lead. Then it was a great game for the last 7 minutes.Not sure why Clemson stopped pressing Illinois......the Illini were having major problems with it.
 
Captain Quinoa said:
Capella said:
Is it the second-round of the NCAA tournament already?
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:lol:As a fan of a Big 10 team this means nothing to me. Obviously I want them to win as many of the games as possible to boost RPI, but it really does nothing to show which conference is better, especially when it is within a game or two either way. Swap out a couple of matchups and sites and you could easily swing it the other direction. So I'm glad Purdue won, I'm glad Duke lost, iu sucks, and let's move on..
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The win over Duke means more to me as a UW fan than the Big 10 win...but, after all the crap the ACC fans have given to fans of Big 10 teams over the year...its nice to get the win for once.
 
GreatLakesMike said:
Man in the yellow hat said:
Indeed. Wisconsin is much better than everyone thinks. Quite frankly,they looked more athletic than Duke at several positions.
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That's not saying much.
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I hear you, it just surprised me. In Wisconsin's loss to Gonzaga, I thought the Badgers were 'out athleted'. I was fearful of a similar game against Duke, just based on the fact that they get just about any McDonald's All American in the land.However, Wisconsin out quicked them at Guard, and the the Wisconsin big men dominated the post. Plus, they threw an athletic swing freshman (Ryan Evans) on Singler the second half, which made a huge difference.

 
Man in the yellow hat said:
GreatLakesMike said:
Man in the yellow hat said:
Indeed. Wisconsin is much better than everyone thinks. Quite frankly,they looked more athletic than Duke at several positions.
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That's not saying much.
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I hear you, it just surprised me. In Wisconsin's loss to Gonzaga, I thought the Badgers were 'out athleted'. I was fearful of a similar game against Duke, just based on the fact that they get just about any McDonald's All American in the land.
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Let's not perpetuate the myth...that mantle has been passed back to UNC now.
 
oso diablo said:
saintfool said:
where is panther/ripley to explain away this craptacular performance?
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you really thought that was craptacular? maybe i don't know what the word means.
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I think the question was more where is PP after running his hole that Duke was undefeated in the Challenge, was clearly a top five team, and that UNC was overrated all based off Duke beating a couple of pansies to death in November (before the weekend in NY) and UNC struggling on the scoreboard against similar pansies instead of letting some more games be played. PP hasn't been around for a week. Hopefully it's permanent and the ACC Basketball thread will have good discussions.
 
'I appreciate all the congratulatory posts from fans of other Big Ten schools (which I hate, and I know it's mutual).

The Tarheel fans almost make me wish we'd lost.'

This was said on a Badger board after some tarheel fans came and congratulated them in a backhanded way. Basically saying congrats but Duke is over rated so don't pat yourself too much.

 
Hack Attack said:
'I appreciate all the congratulatory posts from fans of other Big Ten schools (which I hate, and I know it's mutual).The Tarheel fans almost make me wish we'd lost.'This was said on a Badger board after some tarheel fans came and congratulated them in a backhanded way. Basically saying congrats but Duke is over rated so don't pat yourself too much.
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Well, this Tar Heel fan won't say that. I think Wisconsin is better than what I thought they'd be. I think Duke and Carolina are borderline top 10 teams right now, which isn't shabby, but at this point in the season neither team is going to win the national title or even make it to the Final Four. I do think Carolina will improve over the season and the game in Lexington this Saturday is going to be fun to watch. I did watch the Duke/Wisconsin game last night and agree with what many others have said. They are big, but they aren't that quick and aren't athletic. Physical and/or athletic teams will give them fits all year long. Carolina is big, but they need to seriously cut down on turnovers and continue improving from beyond the arc. I hope the confidence the freshmen gained the other night carries them the rest of the season.
 
fightingillini said:
Tar Heel Boy said:
Clemson pulling a major choke job.
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Yes they did.I was at the game last night. :thumbup: :lmao: Nice arena....but small. Not sure why it wasn't a sellout. There were about 2K empty seats. Why can't Clemson, ranked in the top 20, sellout their arena for a basketball game against a quality nonconference opponent? Now I know football is big at Clemson, but come on.Clemson basically didn't show up for about 12 minutes in the 2nd half, right when they got up 51-28. Then Illinois went on a 35-10 run to take the lead. Then it was a great game for the last 7 minutes.Not sure why Clemson stopped pressing Illinois......the Illini were having major problems with it.
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Hard to press when you aren't scoring. Obviously any big comeback has a lot of choking involved. However, the Illini defense stepped up in the 2nd half and when you can prevent a pressing team from scoring for long stretches, it prevents the press from getting any rhythm and creating momentum. There would have been no chance for a comeback if the press could have been maintained.The Illini needed this win bad after losing to Utah and Bradley. A road win against what one would think will be a quality opponent could make up for those losses come tournament time. With Purdue, Wisconsin, Ohio State, you know Michigan State will rebound, Northwestern playing well, plus Penn State and Minnesota, their won't be many easy nights in the Big Ten.
 
Tar Heel Boy said:
Hack Attack said:
'I appreciate all the congratulatory posts from fans of other Big Ten schools (which I hate, and I know it's mutual).The Tarheel fans almost make me wish we'd lost.'This was said on a Badger board after some tarheel fans came and congratulated them in a backhanded way. Basically saying congrats but Duke is over rated so don't pat yourself too much.
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Well, this Tar Heel fan won't say that. I think Wisconsin is better than what I thought they'd be. I think Duke and Carolina are borderline top 10 teams right now, which isn't shabby, but at this point in the season neither team is going to win the national title or even make it to the Final Four. I do think Carolina will improve over the season and the game in Lexington this Saturday is going to be fun to watch. I did watch the Duke/Wisconsin game last night and agree with what many others have said. They are big, but they aren't that quick and aren't athletic. Physical and/or athletic teams will give them fits all year long. Carolina is big, but they need to seriously cut down on turnovers and continue improving from beyond the arc. I hope the confidence the freshmen gained the other night carries them the rest of the season.
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Yeah, you were just the tarheel fan here who said you were glad Wisky didn't make the Maui Championship game because it would be dreadful or something like that. Guessing a comment like that would not help the board dislike of Roy and UNC there.
 
Hack Attack said:
Tar Heel Boy said:
Hack Attack said:
'I appreciate all the congratulatory posts from fans of other Big Ten schools (which I hate, and I know it's mutual).The Tarheel fans almost make me wish we'd lost.'This was said on a Badger board after some tarheel fans came and congratulated them in a backhanded way. Basically saying congrats but Duke is over rated so don't pat yourself too much.
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Well, this Tar Heel fan won't say that. I think Wisconsin is better than what I thought they'd be. I think Duke and Carolina are borderline top 10 teams right now, which isn't shabby, but at this point in the season neither team is going to win the national title or even make it to the Final Four. I do think Carolina will improve over the season and the game in Lexington this Saturday is going to be fun to watch. I did watch the Duke/Wisconsin game last night and agree with what many others have said. They are big, but they aren't that quick and aren't athletic. Physical and/or athletic teams will give them fits all year long. Carolina is big, but they need to seriously cut down on turnovers and continue improving from beyond the arc. I hope the confidence the freshmen gained the other night carries them the rest of the season.
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Yeah, you were just the tarheel fan here who said you were glad Wisky didn't make the Maui Championship game because it would be dreadful or something like that. Guessing a comment like that would not help the board dislike of Roy and UNC there.
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Wow, can you be a little more sensitive, dude? You're right, I didn't want to see Wisconsin in the Maui final because I don't really like their style of ball. What's wrong with that? People can't stand to watch the Spurs way of playing hoops but they give them credit for being a great franchise. I ate my crow and said there better than I thought they'd be and tried to give them a compliment, yet you get defensive and cry about it. :thumbup: And what Roy Williams has to do with my comments about not liking the style of play from Wisconsin is beyond me, but whatever dude.
 
It amazes me how many people don't seem to realize that **** Bennett hasn't coached the Badgers for a decade now.

 
snorlax said:
It amazes me how many people don't seem to realize that **** Bennett hasn't coached the Badgers for a decade now.
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I realize that, but Wisconsin's style of play still isn't up tempo. They're a physical grind it out team that plays a slower style than what I prefer. I'm not saying they suck, they're just a boring kind of team to watch for me. I remember watching them play Ohio State a few years ago when Oden was there and I believe it was the Big Ten Championship where the final score was a total of maybe 100 or 110 total points. Just wasn't something I was interested in seeing. That wasn't the only game like that either from Wisconsin. Again, I'm not saying it made Wisconsin a bad team, just not one that was fun to watch.
 
boubucarow said:
fightingillini said:
Tar Heel Boy said:
Clemson pulling a major choke job.
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Yes they did.I was at the game last night. :goodposting: :bow:

Nice arena....but small. Not sure why it wasn't a sellout. There were about 2K empty seats. Why can't Clemson, ranked in the top 20, sellout their arena for a basketball game against a quality nonconference opponent? Now I know football is big at Clemson, but come on.

Clemson basically didn't show up for about 12 minutes in the 2nd half, right when they got up 51-28. Then Illinois went on a 35-10 run to take the lead. Then it was a great game for the last 7 minutes.

Not sure why Clemson stopped pressing Illinois......the Illini were having major problems with it.
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Hard to press when you aren't scoring. Obviously any big comeback has a lot of choking involved. However, the Illini defense stepped up in the 2nd half and when you can prevent a pressing team from scoring for long stretches, it prevents the press from getting any rhythm and creating momentum. There would have been no chance for a comeback if the press could have been maintained.The Illini needed this win bad after losing to Utah and Bradley. A road win against what one would think will be a quality opponent could make up for those losses come tournament time. With Purdue, Wisconsin, Ohio State, you know Michigan State will rebound, Northwestern playing well, plus Penn State and Minnesota, their won't be many easy nights in the Big Ten.
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The Big Ten is going to be an absolute dog fight this year.
 
Tar Heel Boy said:
snorlax said:
It amazes me how many people don't seem to realize that **** Bennett hasn't coached the Badgers for a decade now.
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I realize that, but Wisconsin's style of play still isn't up tempo. They're a physical grind it out team that plays a slower style than what I prefer. I'm not saying they suck, they're just a boring kind of team to watch for me. I remember watching them play Ohio State a few years ago when Oden was there and I believe it was the Big Ten Championship where the final score was a total of maybe 100 or 110 total points. Just wasn't something I was interested in seeing. That wasn't the only game like that either from Wisconsin. Again, I'm not saying it made Wisconsin a bad team, just not one that was fun to watch.
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THB, I don't think snorlax was puttin the wood to you. He was merely stating the unfair bias about Bucky that has been the common misconception for a while now. Bucky, while not flashy nor up-tempo, still has their share of draft picks.I for one appreciate your candor, and am glad you put yourself out there with your calls. Yet I think that Bucky, while never a consistent top 5-10 program, will always be a top 25 program under Bo Ryan. Quite possibly one of the most underrated coaches in the NCAA given what he has to work with year in and year out.Think about it. Wisconsin of all places is not a hotbed for basketball talent. When's the last time they missed the NCAA tournament? (1998 BTW) Thats not necessarily a bad loss for Duke. Bo has a .767 career winning percentage. Among coaches with 500 career wins his percentage ranks second only to Roy Williams. Under Bo, they are 113-8 at the Kohl Center. Big win for Bucky, not a huge loss for Dukie...Its December, a lot of games to be played
 
strykerpks said:
Tar Heel Boy said:
snorlax said:
It amazes me how many people don't seem to realize that **** Bennett hasn't coached the Badgers for a decade now.
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I realize that, but Wisconsin's style of play still isn't up tempo. They're a physical grind it out team that plays a slower style than what I prefer. I'm not saying they suck, they're just a boring kind of team to watch for me. I remember watching them play Ohio State a few years ago when Oden was there and I believe it was the Big Ten Championship where the final score was a total of maybe 100 or 110 total points. Just wasn't something I was interested in seeing. That wasn't the only game like that either from Wisconsin. Again, I'm not saying it made Wisconsin a bad team, just not one that was fun to watch.
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THB, I don't think snorlax was puttin the wood to you. He was merely stating the unfair bias about Bucky that has been the common misconception for a while now. Bucky, while not flashy nor up-tempo, still has their share of draft picks.I for one appreciate your candor, and am glad you put yourself out there with your calls. Yet I think that Bucky, while never a consistent top 5-10 program, will always be a top 25 program under Bo Ryan. Quite possibly one of the most underrated coaches in the NCAA given what he has to work with year in and year out.Think about it. Wisconsin of all places is not a hotbed for basketball talent. When's the last time they missed the NCAA tournament? (1998 BTW) Thats not necessarily a bad loss for Duke. Bo has a .767 career winning percentage. Among coaches with 500 career wins his percentage ranks second only to Roy Williams. Under Bo, they are 113-8 at the Kohl Center. Big win for Bucky, not a huge loss for Dukie...Its December, a lot of games to be played
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Cool. I'm glad you understand. I honestly thought Duke would beat them by double digits. Wasn't the first and certainly won't be the last time I'm wrong. And I have a lot of respect for what Ryan has done at Wisconsin and their home record under him is awesome. Only 8 losses at home during his tenure is amazing. He probably is one of the most underrated coaches in America.
 
Tar Heel Boy said:
snorlax said:
It amazes me how many people don't seem to realize that **** Bennett hasn't coached the Badgers for a decade now.
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I realize that, but Wisconsin's style of play still isn't up tempo. They're a physical grind it out team that plays a slower style than what I prefer. I'm not saying they suck, they're just a boring kind of team to watch for me. I remember watching them play Ohio State a few years ago when Oden was there and I believe it was the Big Ten Championship where the final score was a total of maybe 100 or 110 total points. Just wasn't something I was interested in seeing. That wasn't the only game like that either from Wisconsin. Again, I'm not saying it made Wisconsin a bad team, just not one that was fun to watch.
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Bo Ryan's game is definitely an acquired taste that takes time to get used to. His motion offense is a complex system that obviously values every possession and works for high percentage shots. I think it took me at least a season of watching the team before I started to get it. But I think any basketball fan that appreciates good defense can enjoy watching Wisconsin play. When they put five guys on the court who have totally bought into his system (which is far from all the time), it can be a beautiful game.
 
Wisconsin has actually been better offensively than defensively so far this year:

When Wisconsin dropped from a 30-win team in 2007-08 to an NCAA Tournament bubble team in 2008-09, its slide on the defensive end was one of the reasons why. According to Ken Pomeroy’s web site, the Badgers haven’t changed much on the defensive end this year. They still rank among the nation’s Top 50 or 60 teams in points allowed per possession, but their big surge has come at the offensive end. After the 73-69 win over No. 6 Duke on Dec. 2, the Badgers ranked 20th nationally (and No. 2 in the Big Ten) with 1.15 points per possession. Maybe this knowledge will put the notion to rest that Wisconsin doesn’t play well offensively.
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/ne...ype=team_report
 
Wow - surprising start to 2014 challenge. Rutgers upsets Clemson at Clemson. The same Rutgers that scored 26 points - in the entire game - vs Virginia the other night.

 
My normal trusty sources for Badgers tickets are laughing in my face re: Duke in Madison tomorrow night. Its a very tough ticket, especially for a seat-snob who doesn't expect to pay.

 
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