Bamboo Bill
Footballguy
Matt Thornton?
Mike Stanton?
Delmon Young?
others???
Mike Stanton?
Delmon Young?
others???
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***official*** Buy Low Thread (1 Viewer)
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Man In The Box
Footballguy
Jay Bruce
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Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Josh Hamilton
Bamboo Bill
Footballguy
i'm officially taking him off this list.
RnR
Footballguy
I like this one as well.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
I'm staying far away from him.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Andrew McCutchen - everybody knows he'll get better but his owners are still frustrated.
Aaron Hill - guy will hurt your batting average but should still hit 20+ homeruns from the second base position. That's huge. He can even be snagged off the ww in some leagues.
Carl Crawford - about as obvious name as you can get. I'm not in love with this guy but he's going to be much better.
Aaron Hill - guy will hurt your batting average but should still hit 20+ homeruns from the second base position. That's huge. He can even be snagged off the ww in some leagues.
Carl Crawford - about as obvious name as you can get. I'm not in love with this guy but he's going to be much better.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Hanley.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Jesus. Hope some of you guys bought.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
So who's chasing after Timmy?
Reginald Cornsilks
Footballguy
I wish - the owner in my league has a yard on for the guy.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
I passed on a Bruce offer about a month ago (I think the full offer was Bruce, Gaby Sanchez and Kyle Farnsworth for Konerko, Ethier and Santos).
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
Dont look now, but Uggla is starting to heat up.
Reginald Cornsilks
Footballguy
Maybe one last change to get Cargo kinda low? he really hasn't performed up to expectations in the HR category.
I own him and was looking to dump him off for .80 cents on the dollar just last week/
I own him and was looking to dump him off for .80 cents on the dollar just last week/
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Delmon Young also heating up. Finally.
Reginald Cornsilks
Footballguy
Bobby Digital - I don't think Delmon is capable of putting together a full season - never proven it.Abreu is and has proven it for a long time now.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Last year?
Rejected without a response.
RnR
Footballguy
Did it require response?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Do you know the other team's 2B and closer situation?
RnR
Footballguy
Does it matter? Lince has a bad start or two, and he offers an oft-injured 2B hitting .230 and a scrub closer rocking a 1.61 WHIP. Color me shocked this was turned down. You can't "buy low" with players that other owners would consider trying to buying low from you. HTH.
Wrigley
Footballguy
he forgot the "sell high" part of the trade
RnR
Footballguy
Also, FWIW, I really don't think Lincecum is at a point that you "buy low" in the traditional sense. He's still over 9 K/9, over 3 K/BB, and still south of 3.50 and 1.20 even after this beating. Sure, his owners are probably a little frustrated with his June so far, but I seriously doubt they're ready to bail at a discounted price.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Of course it doesn't matter. You're never wrong.At the time the trade was offered, if they guy had the likes of Prado / Uggla at 2B and Santos / Capps at closer he should be taking a look at it.And while I don't like the Gregg part of it, and better closer could get it done and prompt a counter offer.Also, let's not minimize Timmy's struggles to just a game or two, because that's simply not true.One outing in his last 6 have been good (shutout vs a pathetic OAK team), that's it. The other 5 are below average starts (only one QS) when it comes to what you expect out of Lincecum. 4 of those 5 were complete crap.His last month (6 starts)2-25.35 ERA1.43 WHIPHis K/9 Rate is down under 7 over that timeThe velcoity on his change and slider has also fallen 2-3 MPHs. He went through a similar lull last year and rebounded. Keeping him is a gamble that he'll rebound again. If someone had glaring needs at other postions, and depth at SP to make that deal, I wouldn't blink at it when I saw it come over my transaction reports
FWIW, the guy is starting Uggla @ 2B. Don't remember his closers, but he has the third fewest in our league number wise. I didn't think he would accept it, but I figured he would at least counter asking for Verlander, Hanrahan, or Mariano instead of Gregg or possibly asking for Phillips instead of Kinsler.
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the moops
Footballguy
You are making no sense.Prado is having a slightly better year than Kinsler. Not sure why that owner would want Kinsler at the expense of Lincecum.And I wouldnt trade Sergio Santos straight up for Kevin Gregg.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Are you aware that Prado's on the DL with a staph infection? His timetable for return is completely unknown at this time.Early reports are 2-3 weeks to heal alone.
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the moops
Footballguy
I am aware. You are still way off in your values of players
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
It's irrelevant since the other owner has Uggla. I'm sure he wouldn't want to improve upon that
But, back to Prado. You really can't be aware.Again, 2-3 weeks to heal and that's just the wound, with no complications. Staph infections suck. People have lost significant time over them. You have no idea what kind of strength he's going to need to rebuild or what kind of rehab assignment he's going to go on. I wouldn't be surpired if the guy missed through the ASB, which would be about 4 weeks.Alex Rios missing about 30 games with one in 2006. You ready to go with the WW replacement at 2B for 5 weeks? I'm not if I can fix it from a position I have depth at, which is what I said all along. I'd be looking into dealing and probably would have countered on this deal to upgrade the Gregg pieceYou also come out of the other end of this with Prado and Kinsler and can move one of those pieces as needed to get back some of what you lost in pitching.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
And for the record. Owners in 2 of my leagues have Lincecum on the block. One of them is because Prado's on the DL, along with Russell Martin eyeing the DL too. He needs help and shallow positions.
Timmy's value is dropping and rightfully so. A good owner is assessing whether it's time to jump ship or not. Its pretty obvious that the numbers started to delince last year (not sure how some of you are blind to this, but it's obvious that you are) and there's no reason to think it can't continue.
The kid's had a blessed career, but the decline already started in 2010 and he's coming off an unprecedented workload. It's quite possible that the wear and tear is starting to show.
Timmy's value is dropping and rightfully so. A good owner is assessing whether it's time to jump ship or not. Its pretty obvious that the numbers started to delince last year (not sure how some of you are blind to this, but it's obvious that you are) and there's no reason to think it can't continue.
The kid's had a blessed career, but the decline already started in 2010 and he's coming off an unprecedented workload. It's quite possible that the wear and tear is starting to show.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Look. You're the one that said the offer flat out didn't warrant a response. You talk in absolutes and that's simply wrong. I stated my case as to how and why it should warrant a response, and you know what, I'm 100% right as to why it does. The idiot in this whole thing is the owner that didn't respond / counter.Remember everyone, I'm the one that is never wrong.
I mean, be honest with me. Would you, as an owner, immediately shake the offer off if you had Dan Uggla as your 2B? I'd be finding a counter offer ASAP. Lesser arm from him or a better closer from rascal.
RnR
Footballguy
I just asked because it seemed he was surprised that he didn't get a response to the offer. Not speaking in any absolutes, I'm just not surprised that offer didn't get a bite or a counter. If I were that owner, we'd be so far apart that I wouldn't bother with a counter.As for Dan Uggla, I actually own him in my "big boy" league. (See, I'm not always rightLook. You're the one that said the offer flat out didn't warrant a response. You talk in absolutes and that's simply wrong. I stated my case as to how and why it should warrant a response, and you know what, I'm 100% right as to why it does. The idiot in this whole thing is the owner that didn't respond / counter.Remember everyone, I'm the one that is never wrong.
I mean, be honest with me. Would you, as an owner, immediately shake the offer off if you had Dan Uggla as your 2B? I'd be finding a counter offer ASAP. Lesser arm from him or a better closer from rascal.
)It is not a trade league, but if it were, I wouldn't be giving up my #1 pitcher to replace him with Kinsler. I'd be banking on Uggla's normal 2nd half success to bring his numbers somewhere near respectability. But I'm stubborn and feel like Uggla's flaw is mechanical. His track record indicates the problem can be corrected, and if it is he should produce in the middle of the Atlanta line-up.
I'm not sure why you hate me, but I guess I should be flattered that I stir such strong emotion.
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the moops
Footballguy
RnR
Footballguy
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
To each their own. But hey! I respond to every trade offer I get.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
6 for 19 (.316) with two homers and three RBI in his last five games... the time to buy low is passing quickly... all aboard!
the moops
Footballguy
Even ridiculous ones that involve a top pitcher in the game for an oft-injured middle infielder and a train wreck of a reliever?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
As a matter of fact I do. It's called courtesy. Don't like being the league ########, it gets you nowhere. Around here, I don't mind douching it up and getting people riled. When I might need to make a deal with a person in the future, I like to keep the lines of communication open. It's a pretty wise practice, I suggest trying it sometime. And like I said... I'm sure Gregg isn't the only RP rascal was sitting on. A better RP would get me to strongly consider moving Lincecum in that deal right now as long as I have SP depth and the need. And from what rascal has told us about the other owner, with Uggla and 3rd worst Save total, the need is there.In my 3 money leagues, Lince finished 18th, 11th, 11th last yearCurrently, he's 28th, 21st, 25th in those leaguesI see a trend, and his numbers from 2008, 2009 are top tier. His numbers since aren't. If you want to think he's still a top 2-3 SP, that's fine. I don't think he is right now.Even ridiculous ones that involve a top pitcher in the game for an oft-injured middle infielder and a train wreck of a reliever?
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SuperAwesomeDude
Footballguy
so what is the suggested amount of time to leave a pending trade offer on the table? in a keeper league, i have 2 offers out to a guy for a week+
Captain Hook
Footballguy
If you are looking for a player to buy low on I suggest Choo - one of these days he will start to turn in around and in the meantime is stealing a few bags.
Wrigley
Footballguy
taken care of
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Since rascal's offer......
Timmy - With the 4 teams he faced, I'd expect dominance against all 4 of these teams from Timmy. It didn't happen. Flashes of why he's great, flashes of why someone would be willing to move him because the name carries value.
1-2 in 4 starts, 3 of them QS. 32Ks in 25 innings. 2.16 ERA / 1.20 WHIP. Feasted on Cubs and Twins and had stinkers against SD and OAK.
Kinsler - Filled up all 5 cats about as well as a leadoff hitter could
.285 / .402 / .558
5HR / 8RBI / 18R / 7 SB
Gregg - Not a lot of save ops, but was a perfect 3-3 and didn't kill you anywhere else
7 innings / 5K / 1 BB / 2.57 ERA / 0.71 WHIP
Timmy - With the 4 teams he faced, I'd expect dominance against all 4 of these teams from Timmy. It didn't happen. Flashes of why he's great, flashes of why someone would be willing to move him because the name carries value.
1-2 in 4 starts, 3 of them QS. 32Ks in 25 innings. 2.16 ERA / 1.20 WHIP. Feasted on Cubs and Twins and had stinkers against SD and OAK.
Kinsler - Filled up all 5 cats about as well as a leadoff hitter could
.285 / .402 / .558
5HR / 8RBI / 18R / 7 SB
Gregg - Not a lot of save ops, but was a perfect 3-3 and didn't kill you anywhere else
7 innings / 5K / 1 BB / 2.57 ERA / 0.71 WHIP
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
And since Dan Uggla was the 2B the Timmy owner had, let's see what he's done....
.143 / .205 / .325
4 HR / 11 RBI / 10 R / 0 SB
OOF
.143 / .205 / .325
4 HR / 11 RBI / 10 R / 0 SB
OOF
RnR
Footballguy
I know you're trying to make an argument for your point, but come on. You're expecting too much from a SP if you are disappointed with that in a four-start stint from ANY starter against ANY set of major league opponents. Those numbers are still #1 SP numbers. Hardly anything that would make an owner wish he'd moved his best pitcher in a trade.Kinsler has lit it up as of late, and that's great. It's about time he did something for the people that spent an early round pick on him. Uggla, on the other hand....
