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*** Official Chargers 2008 Offseason Thread *** (1 Viewer)

Maurile Tremblay

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We've already got the support group thread, but I figure we should start a new thread for a new season.

Chargers won't be changers

With core players in place, don't look for much rebuilding over offseason

By Kevin Acee

January 23, 2008

Shawne Merriman can't help but think this is just the beginning.

“Being around some of the guys who have been in the game for a while, you know it's a short window,” Merriman said. “I'm a young guy, but you know you might not have many opportunities. But I feel like with the team we have, we do have a lot more opportunities. Talking with Jamal (Williams), Lo Neal, guys who have been around so long, they say you only have a few chances. I feel we have a lot of chances.”

That's the feeling the Chargers take into the offseason, which for them began Sunday night with their 21-12 loss to the New England Patriots in the AFC Championship Game.

While the hours since that loss have been spent debating Philip Rivers' playing and LaDainian Tomlinson's not playing, the Chargers have turned their attention to pending free agency, the draft and other personnel matters.

And they do so as an organization brimming with optimism.

“I believe the future is bright with great hope that we are definitely on track for a championship,” General Manager A.J. Smith said this week.

It will likely be another spring and summer in which fans are disappointed that Smith does not dive into the free-agent market, a chorus that was as loud as ever last year as the Patriots bulked up in free agency.

“We're going to be a player,” Smith said, his standard line about free agency. “Always a player, not a major player.”

All he feels he needs to do is pad the roster, because the Chargers will lose one or two starters, even fewer than last year.

“This is an odd year where we're pretty much loaded,” Smith said.

It is all but certain free safety Marlon McCree will be released with three years left on the contract he signed in 2006. Eric Weddle will replace McCree.

The other starter who could be gone soon is fullback Lorenzo Neal. While he signed a three-year extension that gave him $2 million up front back in March, Neal turned 37 last month. And he is not the valued commodity in Norv Turner's offense that he was under Cam Cameron and Marty Schottenheimer.

A handful of vital role players are also about to leave, losses that could prove as significant as the starters who depart.

Backup running back Michael Turner is about to be very rich, as he will finally be free to become a team's starter.

Cornerback Drayton Florence also will become a free agent and get a big contract with another team after spending his first five seasons in San Diego.

The Chargers are interested in keeping another key backup, quarterback Billy Volek, but he will want to test the free-agent market and see where he might be able to get more money and compete to become a starter.

Smith will look to replace that trio in varying ways.

The Chargers will almost certainly draft a running back in April, both as Turner's replacement and to groom for the future. The Chargers also have Darren Sproles, likely just a situational back, and Andrew Pinnock, more likely to be the fullback if Neal leaves.

Paul Oliver was selected in the supplemental draft in preparation for Florence's departure. But it appears the Chargers will need to somehow acquire another cornerback in the draft, because it appears Oliver's future is probably at safety. Cletis Gordon could step in as that third corner but would need a good spring and summer.

To replace Volek, the Chargers could promote No. 3 quarterback Charlie Whitehurst or seek to sign a veteran.

Smith declined to discuss his offseason plans, because he prefers to wait until February to address the media with specifics.

But he left yesterday for the Senior Bowl and has begun to immerse himself in the draft, his preferred tool for building a team.

The Chargers have only a first-round pick (27th) on the first day of the draft, having traded their second-round pick to Miami for Chris Chambers and third-rounder to Chicago as part of the Weddle deal during last year's draft.

With that first pick, they will likely look at a cornerback.

They also do not have a fourth-rounder, having used that pick to take Oliver.

That leaves a fifth, sixth and seventh, though they will also get a third-or fourth-round compensatory pick for losing Donnie Edwards in free agency last year.

One of those picks could be spent on a No. 3 QB, if Whitehurst moves up the depth chart. The Chargers will also be looking at offensive-line depth.

Regardless of how the offseason goes, making it through a coaching change and the early-season turmoil all the way to the conference title game and returning almost everyone has the Chargers looking forward to '08.

“Obviously, with what we did this year,” Tomlinson said, “we're expecting to be back in this spot next year.”

Offseason doings

Safety Marlon McCree will be released. Fullback Lorenzo Neal could be let go, too.

Running back Michael Turner and cornerback Drayton Florence will become free agents. Backup quarterback Billy Volek will also test the free-agent market.

The Chargers will be minor players in free agency, as always.

With only a first-round pick on the first day of April's draft, the Chargers probably will select a cornerback.

The rest of the draft picks (a supplemental third-or fourth-rounder and fifth-, sixth-and seventh-rounders) could be used on a running back, two offensive linemen and a safety.
 
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I don't see anything unexpected. They are basically losing a good bunch of backups, but they can be replaced. The players they gave up draft spots to had big impacts this season. Definitely looks good for next season.

What happened to McCree? He and Hart were the weak links in that D. Hart everyone knew about, but McCree was supposed to strengthen the secondary.

 
Next year is our year

and lets hope everyone is healthy at the end when we need them the most

Little surprised about Lofton getting the boot though

 
Does anyone else really expect Rivers to struggle early (if not all) next season. Seems like QB's coming back from knee problems have really stuggled as of late (even pocket passers like Rivers). I'd be suprised if any roster moves are made other than retaining Volek and Whitey, but I think those 2 are really going to get a lot of snaps in the camps and preseason. From a FF perspective, I'm really NOT counting on Rives for anything next season.

 
Does anyone else really expect Rivers to struggle early (if not all) next season. Seems like QB's coming back from knee problems have really stuggled as of late (even pocket passers like Rivers). I'd be suprised if any roster moves are made other than retaining Volek and Whitey, but I think those 2 are really going to get a lot of snaps in the camps and preseason. From a FF perspective, I'm really NOT counting on Rives for anything next season.
FFL != NFLFFL wise Rivers is only a backup. NFL wise he is becoming excellent
 
Absolutely, positively HAVE to go get a veteran Safety in the FA market. I love moving Weddle to FS, but we need someone with significant experience back there at SS to complete with Hart.

 
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I didn't expect McCree to start next year, but I'm a bit surprised to already see Acee say that he'll be released.

He played well in 2006, but was out of position a lot in 2007.

The starting corners have become a real strength of the defense. I think Weddle will be very good at SS. If the team can get an effective FS in there, the whole secondary will be terrific.

Interesting to see Paul Oliver mentioned as a future safety. If that's the case, the team really does need a third corner. I've had enough of Drayton Florence, but I don't think Cletis Gordon is the answer either. D-Flo has potential; he's a great athlete; but he can't cover or tackle consistently.

 
I didn't expect McCree to start next year, but I'm a bit surprised to already see Acee say that he'll be released.

He played well in 2006, but was out of position a lot in 2007.

The starting corners have become a real strength of the defense. I think Weddle will be very good at SS. If the team can get an effective FS in there, the whole secondary will be terrific.

Interesting to see Paul Oliver mentioned as a future safety. If that's the case, the team really does need a third corner. I've had enough of Drayton Florence, but I don't think Cletis Gordon is the answer either. D-Flo has potential; he's a great athlete; but he can't cover or tackle consistently.
Until this most recent playoff run I thought DFlo>>JammerI would try to re-sign Dflo

 
I'm also a bit surprised not to see Acee mention NT as a priority. Jamal is old, and wasn't effective over the second half of the season. Maybe he'll be healthy next year, but the team needs both a current backup and a future guy there (a single player, I mean, who can be both).

 
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Interesting to see Paul Oliver mentioned as a future safety. If that's the case, the team really does need a third corner.
Yea, this is the first I've heard of Oliver's move. I loved AJ grabbing him in the supplemental last year as DFlo's 2008 replacement. Obviously Oliver showed lots more potential as a safety than a corner this year in practice. Either that or Acee is way off. :excited:
 
I didn't expect McCree to start next year, but I'm a bit surprised to already see Acee say that he'll be released.

He played well in 2006, but was out of position a lot in 2007.

The starting corners have become a real strength of the defense. I think Weddle will be very good at SS. If the team can get an effective FS in there, the whole secondary will be terrific.

Interesting to see Paul Oliver mentioned as a future safety. If that's the case, the team really does need a third corner. I've had enough of Drayton Florence, but I don't think Cletis Gordon is the answer either. D-Flo has potential; he's a great athlete; but he can't cover or tackle consistently.
Until this most recent playoff run I thought DFlo>>JammerI would try to re-sign Dflo
I think you're letting Jammer's draft position influence your opinion. I thought Jammer was fantastic all year, and has been much better than he's given credit for the past couple of years.Jammer's a stud, and the perfect compliment to Cromartie. I can't think of a better corner combo in the NFL.

 
Until this most recent playoff run I thought DFlo>>JammerI would try to re-sign Dflo
I never thought anything close to that. Jammer has been good (and very underrated in some circles) for that past few years, and improves every year. D-Flo has always looked good in one-on-one drills in training camp, but has major lapses in games. I'm not a big fan of ESPN's statistical analysis on corners, but Jaws pointed out that opposing QBs had a 75% completion percentage this year when throwing to Florence's guy. Stats aside, Florence's guy does often seem wide open, doesn't he?
 
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Jammer's a stud, and the perfect compliment to Cromartie. I can't think of a better corner combo in the NFL.
I agree. And while Cromartie is the big play guy, and was considered for defensive league MVP, I think Jammer is better in coverage right now. (Although Cromartie has outstanding potential.)
 
Jammer won me over in the playoffs.

DFlo continued to underwhelm/anger me...

I am scared of Volek and Whitehurst from what I have seen....any thoughts on if they bring in a back up QB?

If MT goes, wonder if they use their #1 on a RB given the depth this year.

Kaeding goes I think.....

 
Jammer won me over in the playoffs.
:hey:
DFlo continued to underwhelm/anger me...
:yes:
I am scared of Volek and Whitehurst from what I have seen....any thoughts on if they bring in a back up QB?
:hifive: I think Volek is fine as a back up. I still don't know enough about what Whitehurst can do on the field to have an opinion. If Volek goes they'll have to bring in a vet from somewhere, but I think Phil will be fine.
If When MT goes, wonder if they use their #1 on a RB given the depth this year.
I don't think they'll use a first rounder on an RB. They've had good success (post LaDainian) getting quality RBs later in the draft. Given their paucity of picks this year, and depending on how Tyrone Gross's recovery is going, I wouldn't be surprised to see them not address RB with an actual draft pick and wait to obtain depth via unsigned rookie FAs, or just regular FAs. Maybe they can lure Jesse Chatman back? ;)
Kaeding goes I think.....
:no: Replacing Kaeding isn't even on the radar.Acee says they'll go CB in the 1st. My money says AJ will have a few guys targeted at varying positions and the BPA out of those will be who he takes throughout the draft, and fills in any remaining gaps with mid/low priced FA.

Bottom line is, I trust A.J. A.J. knows stuff .

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
I'm also a bit surprised not to see Acee mention NT as a priority. Jamal is old, and wasn't effective over the second half of the season. Maybe he'll be healthy next year, but the team needs both a current backup and a future guy there (a single player, I mean, who can be both).
I agree, I think this is a huge need and what they need is a HUGE player to come in and backup Williams and groom for the futureAlso for you west coasters, is Eric Parker supposed to come back healthy, if so where does he fit in?
 
Also for you west coasters, is Eric Parker supposed to come back healthy, if so where does he fit in?
Good question. With Chambers, V.Jackson, C.Davis and L.Naanee all playing pretty well, it's hard to say where Parker would fit in. He is supposed to come back healthy, and I imagine he'd compete with Davis for the WR3 spot; if he doesn't win that, he'd compete with Naanee for the WR4 spot.
 
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Also for you west coasters, is Eric Parker supposed to come back healthy, if so where does he fit in?
Good question. With Chambers, V.Jackson, C.Davis and L.Naanee all playing pretty well, it's hard to say where Parker would fit in. He is supposed to come back healthy, and I imagine he'd compete with Davis for the WR3 spot; if he doesn't win that, he'd compete with Naanee for the WR4 spot.
I don't know how well Parker is going to fit Norv's offensive scheme. Parker has been mostly a possession type of receiver so far in his career, and there's not a large role for that type of player in a Norv offense. Maybe we just haven't seen the whole Parker skill set yet, but I don't think he'll be a key element of the Charger offense going forward.
 
Also for you west coasters, is Eric Parker supposed to come back healthy, if so where does he fit in?
Good question. With Chambers, V.Jackson, C.Davis and L.Naanee all playing pretty well, it's hard to say where Parker would fit in. He is supposed to come back healthy, and I imagine he'd compete with Davis for the WR3 spot; if he doesn't win that, he'd compete with Naanee for the WR4 spot.
I don't know how well Parker is going to fit Norv's offensive scheme. Parker has been mostly a possession type of receiver so far in his career, and there's not a large role for that type of player in a Norv offense. Maybe we just haven't seen the whole Parker skill set yet, but I don't think he'll be a key element of the Charger offense going forward.
I think Eric Parker is generally very underrated. Last year he caught 69% of the passes thrown his way. Chambers (51%), Jackson (51%) and Davis (59%) were considerably less efficient this year. He's the Charger's version of Wes Welker and I would be surprised if he didn't have a significant role with the team next year.
 
More on Paul Oliver from Acee's Mailbag:

I read today that you think Paul Oliver's future is at safety. Why would that be? He played corner in a fast league (SEC) and did fairly well. I think he will assume Florence's role as the nickel back next year. What do you think? Also, would it be a "reach" for the Chargers to go RB with their first pick as Felix Jones might be available? He would be an excellent change of pace back for years to come and could eventually take over for LT towards the end of LT's career. After the selection of Jones, the Chargers could go for a safety in round 4 (possibly Boston College's Jaime Silva or LSU's Craig Steltz) , DL round 5, LB in 6 and OL in the 7th.

Ray / San Diego

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SEC is fastm, but it isn't the NFL.

It's about his burst, and he might not have it to be a corner in the NFL.

I like the idea of getting a RB with the 27th pick. But they might need a corner more, and a good RB can be had in the middle rounds.
Even if this proves itself out, and Oliver has to move to safety, I still have a hard time seeing the Chargers picking a CB in the first this year. OT, DT or RB. Or maybe they can get someone to jump up for one of the QB's that slips.
 
More on Paul Oliver from Acee's Mailbag:

I read today that you think Paul Oliver's future is at safety. Why would that be? He played corner in a fast league (SEC) and did fairly well. I think he will assume Florence's role as the nickel back next year. What do you think? Also, would it be a "reach" for the Chargers to go RB with their first pick as Felix Jones might be available? He would be an excellent change of pace back for years to come and could eventually take over for LT towards the end of LT's career. After the selection of Jones, the Chargers could go for a safety in round 4 (possibly Boston College's Jaime Silva or LSU's Craig Steltz) , DL round 5, LB in 6 and OL in the 7th.

Ray / San Diego

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SEC is fastm, but it isn't the NFL.

It's about his burst, and he might not have it to be a corner in the NFL.

I like the idea of getting a RB with the 27th pick. But they might need a corner more, and a good RB can be had in the middle rounds.
Even if this proves itself out, and Oliver has to move to safety, I still have a hard time seeing the Chargers picking a CB in the first this year. OT, DT or RB. Or maybe they can get someone to jump up for one of the QB's that slips.
Felix Jones would be nice!
 
I like Joiner, but his track record as a WR COACH is mediocre at best, judging strictly on the results. Maybe he got more out of the guys he's coached so far than they would have achieved with someone else, but the numbers aren't that impressive. I guess his strength is route running. :pickle:
I think he did a pretty good job developing Eric Moulds. Andre Reed had some good years under him. And Dwayne Bowe was pretty decent this year.I think it has more to do with his familiarity with the offense Norv wants to run than anything else. We will see. They really need to get Crosby and Ramsdale resigned, IMO.

 
More on Paul Oliver from Acee's Mailbag:

I read today that you think Paul Oliver's future is at safety. Why would that be? He played corner in a fast league (SEC) and did fairly well. I think he will assume Florence's role as the nickel back next year. What do you think? Also, would it be a "reach" for the Chargers to go RB with their first pick as Felix Jones might be available? He would be an excellent change of pace back for years to come and could eventually take over for LT towards the end of LT's career. After the selection of Jones, the Chargers could go for a safety in round 4 (possibly Boston College's Jaime Silva or LSU's Craig Steltz) , DL round 5, LB in 6 and OL in the 7th.

Ray / San Diego

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SEC is fastm, but it isn't the NFL.

It's about his burst, and he might not have it to be a corner in the NFL.

I like the idea of getting a RB with the 27th pick. But they might need a corner more, and a good RB can be had in the middle rounds.
Even if this proves itself out, and Oliver has to move to safety, I still have a hard time seeing the Chargers picking a CB in the first this year. OT, DT or RB. Or maybe they can get someone to jump up for one of the QB's that slips.
I'm not so sure.You'd have to think SD is building their '08 roster with the possibility of facing NE(and to a lesser extent IND) in mind. Against both those teams you're going to need a very good #3 CB. There are so many old/mediocre CB's starting around the NFL I think they may have to overpay by quite a bit if they expect to upgrade from Florence(never was a huge fan as a starter but thought he took his demotion VERY WELL for a guy in a contract year). AJ typically won't overpay to acquire vets and with another big bump in the salary cap I think you'll have to overpay to get a quality CB in FA.

 
No chance we take a corner in the first rd. Acee throws out the smoke screen for AJ with that interview. There are a few positions where a first rd pick could come in right away and start on this team. One of them in ILB, no mention of that.

As for Eric Parker, he is good as gone in my mind. They arent going to pay Parker $2 Mill to be a 4th WR. Just wont happen, if he cant beat out Buster, he is gone.

 
They really need to get Crosby and Ramsdale resigned, IMO.
Ramsdell re-signed, and they're close on Crosby.
Funny. The WashPost states that the Redksins has wanted to hire Fassel, but he wanted to hire a certain staff....Rex Ryan, Jim Zorn, and Ramsdell. When some of it fell apart, so is Fassell's offer.....I don't know much about Ramsdell, but sounds like he was a hot commodity before he re-signed....

 
No chance we take a corner in the first rd. Acee throws out the smoke screen for AJ with that interview. There are a few positions where a first rd pick could come in right away and start on this team. One of them in ILB, no mention of that.As for Eric Parker, he is good as gone in my mind. They arent going to pay Parker $2 Mill to be a 4th WR. Just wont happen, if he cant beat out Buster, he is gone.
I've been as critical of anyone with regard to the ILB's but they are all young. IMO this team doesn't need to develop yet another ILB, they need someone that can step in and push for a starting job, hopefully raising the level of play of all three of them. I felt Cooper showed flashes the first half of the season and played steady(above the average level for an ILB) in the second half of the season. Wilhelm showed flashes in the second half of the season but in my opinion was never steady. They need another signing like Steve Foley a few years back. A solid veteran that can be signed for a reasonable price and won't require investing a huge signing bonus. Just an ILB version of Foley.At WR Chambers/Jackson/Buster are the locks at WR and it may come down to Parker vs Naane for a roster spot. I'm willing to bet Parker and/or Floyd will be playing in BAL next season. Nobody thought Cam would give Chatman much work at RB in MIA with Brown and having just drafted Booker. The winning TD came from... Greg Camarillo for the lone win last season. If either Parker/Floyd does find themselves on the BAL roster next season it wouldn't shock me if they put up better #'s than anyone expected. Cam likes to go with guys he knows and know his system.
 
They really need to get Crosby and Ramsdale resigned, IMO.
Ramsdell re-signed, and they're close on Crosby.
Funny. The WashPost states that the Redksins has wanted to hire Fassel, but he wanted to hire a certain staff....Rex Ryan, Jim Zorn, and Ramsdell. When some of it fell apart, so is Fassell's offer.....I don't know much about Ramsdell, but sounds like he was a hot commodity before he re-signed....
All coaches signedThe Chargers have completed their coaching staff maneuvers.

Ollie Wilson has agreed on a two-year deal to become running backs coach, and special teams coach Steve Crosby, offensive line coach Hal Hunter and quarterbacks coach John Ramsdell all re-upped with two-year deals.

Wilson spent the past six seasons coaching running backs in Atlanta. He replaces Matt Simon, who was fired after one season.

On Wednesday, the team hired Charlie Joiner to replace the fired James Lofton as receivers coach.

The contracts of Crosby, Hunter and Ramsdell were expired after this season.

Joiner and Wilson will coach with the rest of the staff in the Pro Bowl.

Posted by Kevin Acee on January 24, 2008 02:16 PM |

 
They really need to get Crosby and Ramsdale resigned, IMO.
Ramsdell re-signed, and they're close on Crosby.
Funny. The WashPost states that the Redksins has wanted to hire Fassel, but he wanted to hire a certain staff....Rex Ryan, Jim Zorn, and Ramsdell. When some of it fell apart, so is Fassell's offer.....I don't know much about Ramsdell, but sounds like he was a hot commodity before he re-signed....
All coaches signedThe Chargers have completed their coaching staff maneuvers.

Ollie Wilson has agreed on a two-year deal to become running backs coach, and special teams coach Steve Crosby, offensive line coach Hal Hunter and quarterbacks coach John Ramsdell all re-upped with two-year deals.

Wilson spent the past six seasons coaching running backs in Atlanta. He replaces Matt Simon, who was fired after one season.

On Wednesday, the team hired Charlie Joiner to replace the fired James Lofton as receivers coach.

The contracts of Crosby, Hunter and Ramsdell were expired after this season.

Joiner and Wilson will coach with the rest of the staff in the Pro Bowl.

Posted by Kevin Acee on January 24, 2008 02:16 PM |
Yet another positive contrast between the end of last season and the end of this one. At this time last year we were all sitting around watching the coaches get stolen away. This year they're all locked up within 5 days of the season ending.I'm intrigued by the Wilson signing. He was in SD for LaDainian's first year or so, and obviously was part of a successful running game in Atlanta.

I hope Hunter can get the offensive line back on track.

 
pipe dream:sign Alan Faneca
That would be sweet, but I don't think there's much chance of it happening. That guy is going to get serious :moneybag: somewhere.
I think we have it to spend.The draft also seems deep at the Oline spot this year, sign him, draft the best oline available and let the rookie/cleary/shane battle it out for the T spot opposite McNeil
I think they have it to spend too, it just hasn't been A.J.'s style to spend big money in the FA market (you could make a case for Chambers being a counter example I suppose). I don't know which link is weakest, RG or RT. Seemed like it was RT, but Clary did o.k. at the end of the year. Still it would be nice to be able to depend on either side of the line when running the ball, instead of going left 80% of the time.
 
Gr00vus said:
pipe dream:sign Alan Faneca
That would be sweet, but I don't think there's much chance of it happening. That guy is going to get serious :confused: somewhere.
I think we have it to spend.The draft also seems deep at the Oline spot this year, sign him, draft the best oline available and let the rookie/cleary/shane battle it out for the T spot opposite McNeil
I think they have it to spend too, it just hasn't been A.J.'s style to spend big money in the FA market (you could make a case for Chambers being a counter example I suppose). I don't know which link is weakest, RG or RT. Seemed like it was RT, but Clary did o.k. at the end of the year. Still it would be nice to be able to depend on either side of the line when running the ball, instead of going left 80% of the time.
He hasn't spent much FA money in the past and I don't think he's likely to do it, but if there was ever a time to do so it's right now. He's done a great job putting all the pieces in place but now the team is just a couple upgrades from being dominant. A guy like Faneca puts them over the top.
 
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Gr00vus said:
pipe dream:

sign Alan Faneca
That would be sweet, but I don't think there's much chance of it happening. That guy is going to get serious :popcorn: somewhere.
I think we have it to spend.The draft also seems deep at the Oline spot this year, sign him, draft the best oline available and let the rookie/cleary/shane battle it out for the T spot opposite McNeil
I think they have it to spend too, it just hasn't been A.J.'s style to spend big money in the FA market (you could make a case for Chambers being a counter example I suppose). I don't know which link is weakest, RG or RT. Seemed like it was RT, but Clary did o.k. at the end of the year. Still it would be nice to be able to depend on either side of the line when running the ball, instead of going left 80% of the time.
He hasn't spent much FA money in the past and I don't think he's likely to do it, but if there was ever a time to do so it's right now. He's done a great job putting all the pieces in place but now the team is just a couple upgrades from being dominant. A guy like Faneca puts them over the top.
I disagree, although Faneca in particular would help. Not because he's a talent, but because he's a solid veteran.I believe the Chargers are the most talented team in football. The passing game has turned into something that can win them games, even on the incredibly rare occasions that LT2 isn't setting the world on fire. What they really need is some players, or coaches, that understand that using your brain, even in football, is not a bad thing! More to the point, I believe they need a great coach. We can argue whether Turner is horrible or not, but I don't think anybody can claim the guy is great, the way Walsh or .... <cough>Belichick<cough> is great. They need to get a really, truly great coach, and sign a couple of free agents that have a head on their shoulders, even if the ability is no longer there.

I'm a Pats fan - sorry, I know, I know - but I honestly hope the Chargers can pull something together before their window closes. Again, strictly form a talent perspective, I don't think even New England tops them (and this year's New England team is being considered one of the greatest of all time).

 
Gr00vus said:
pipe dream:

sign Alan Faneca
That would be sweet, but I don't think there's much chance of it happening. That guy is going to get serious :lmao: somewhere.
I think we have it to spend.The draft also seems deep at the Oline spot this year, sign him, draft the best oline available and let the rookie/cleary/shane battle it out for the T spot opposite McNeil
I think they have it to spend too, it just hasn't been A.J.'s style to spend big money in the FA market (you could make a case for Chambers being a counter example I suppose). I don't know which link is weakest, RG or RT. Seemed like it was RT, but Clary did o.k. at the end of the year. Still it would be nice to be able to depend on either side of the line when running the ball, instead of going left 80% of the time.
He hasn't spent much FA money in the past and I don't think he's likely to do it, but if there was ever a time to do so it's right now. He's done a great job putting all the pieces in place but now the team is just a couple upgrades from being dominant. A guy like Faneca puts them over the top.
I disagree, although Faneca in particular would help. Not because he's a talent, but because he's a solid veteran.I believe the Chargers are the most talented team in football. The passing game has turned into something that can win them games, even on the incredibly rare occasions that LT2 isn't setting the world on fire. What they really need is some players, or coaches, that understand that using your brain, even in football, is not a bad thing! More to the point, I believe they need a great coach. We can argue whether Turner is horrible or not, but I don't think anybody can claim the guy is great, the way Walsh or .... <cough>Belichick<cough> is great. They need to get a really, truly great coach, and sign a couple of free agents that have a head on their shoulders, even if the ability is no longer there.

I'm a Pats fan - sorry, I know, I know - but I honestly hope the Chargers can pull something together before their window closes. Again, strictly form a talent perspective, I don't think even New England tops them (and this year's New England team is being considered one of the greatest of all time).
Alright, let's get Cowher signed up.
 
Unit-by-unit Analysis of the Chargers

QUARTERBACK: Starter - Philip Rivers. Backups - Billy Volek, Charlie Whitehurst.

Rivers had a bit of a sophomore slump early in the year but really came on toward the season's end and especially during the playoffs. He also grew as a leader when playing with two bum knees. Question here is if Whitehurst is ready to assume the backup role in this third year as Volek is expected to flee as a free agent. Whitehurst has the confidence of the organization; that said, they could bring in a veteran backup.

RUNNING BACKS: Starters -- RB LaDainian Tomlinson, FB Lorenzo Neal. Backups -- RB Michael Turner, RB Darren Sproles, FB Andrew Pinnock. Injured reserve -- Tyronne Gross, Germaine Race.

Tomlinson didn't quite have the same year he did the previous season when he was named the MVP. Still, he had a fabulous year in leading the NFL in rushing (1,472 yards and 15 TDs) for the second straight year and remains the heart and soul of this team. He took some hits for not playing in the AFC title game after aggravating a sprained MCL and that is frankly hogwash. Tomlinson has proven his durability by playing through other injuries but he just didn't have a burst against the Pats. Neal had another Pro Bowl season but missed the last month with a broken leg; at 37, the Chargers could let him go and turn the job over to Pinnock. Turner is about to flee as a free agent and Sproles is seen more as a third-down specialist. So the Chargers could draft or acquire a backup to play behind Tomlinson.

TIGHT END: Starter - Antonio Gates. Backups - Brandon Manumaleuna, Scott Chandler.

Gates continues to prove he's among the best in the game at his position as he again led the Chargers in touchdown receptions (nine) while catching a team-best 75 passes for 984 yards. He suffered a dislocated toe in the opening playoff game that restricted him to four catches in the next postseason contests. Manumaleuna is a blocker first and foremost and does a good job in the role when the Chargers are in two tight end sets. Chandler never did see the field but the Chargers aren't down on him.

WIDE RECEIVERS: Starters -- Chris Chambers, Vincent Jackson. Backups - Craig Davis, Malcom Floyd, Legedu Naanee, Kassim Osgood. Injured reserve -- Eric Parker.

Chambers came at a steep price - a second-round pick to Miami - in a midseason trade but he was what was needed to stretch defenses and open up running room for Tomlinson and the intermediate routes for Gates. Chambers was stellar during the playoffs and ended up - when including his Miami totals - with 66 catches for 970 yards and four touchdowns, just missing the second 1,000-yard season of his career. Jackson blossomed this season, especially late when he had some clutch catches in the playoffs. He seems to have turned the corner with better consistency and running routes with more precision. Davis was OK, but needs to show more toughness. Floyd's time has come and gone and he might not be back next year. Naanee is coming on fast and should continue to see the field more next year, especially with the creative Norv Turner orchestrating plays for him. Osgood remains a special-teams demon. Parker might have to fight for playing time when he returns next year.

OFFENSIVE LINE: Starters -- LT Marcus McNeill, LG Kris Dielman, C Nick Hardwick, RG Mike Goff, RT Jeromey Clary. Backups -- T Shane Olivea, G Scott Mruczkowski, C Cory Withrow.

Among the Chargers' troubles early in the year was the spotty play of the front five. But as the season progressed - especially when Hardwick returned after missing four games with a foot injury - this unit played as well as any other. McNeill, though, had some struggles in pass protection against the elite pass rushers. Dielman had a Pro Bowl year and Hardwick was a steadying force when he returned. Goff was solid, not spectacular and Clary did well in filling in for Olivea after he lost his starting job. Withrow was decent when filling in for Hardwick although there was a considerable drop-off.

DEFENSIVE LINE: Starters -- DLE Igor Olshansky, DT Jamal Williams, DRE Luis Castillo. Backups - DE Jacques Cesaire, DT Brandon McKinney, DT/DE Ryon Bingham.

Williams was a force in the middle, the reason why the linebackers - especially the inside guys - enjoyed such success. But Williams is wearing down and probably has but a couple more years left at the most. Castillo had another good year, but again, it was interrupted by injury. Still, he is good against the run and the pass. Olshansky is a run-stuffer by trade but found himself on the field more on passing downs and collected 3.5 sacks. Cesaire (2.5 sacks) has proven his worth as a backup the past two years when Castillo has been sidelined. Bingham and McKinney saw more time this year with Williams fighting hip and ankle injuries, although it's unlikely either is the answer as a starter once Williams steps aside.

LINEBACKERS: Starters -- OLB Shawne Merriman, ILB Stephen Cooper, ILB Matt Wilhelm, OLB Shaun Phillips. Backups - OLB Marques Harris, OLB Jyles Tucker, ILB Anthony Waters, ILB Tim Dobbins, ILB Brandon Siler. Injured reserve -- ILB Carlos Polk.

Merriman and Phillips were solid; Merriman is headed to another Pro Bowl. Merriman led the team with 12.5 sacks and supplied the energy which his teammates fed off of. Phillips is underrated as he again was a force with 8.5 sacks. Cooper is the first guy not named Donnie Edwards to lead the team in tackles in the past six seasons - he had 109. Wilhelm started slow because of a calf injury but came on strong and was second on the team with 97 tackles. The inside pair played well considering it was the first year for both as starters. Dobbins' stock might have went down a tad as he was exposed somewhat when filling in for Wilhelm early in the year. The team remains high on Waters and Siler. Also keep an eye on Tucker who had 3.5 sacks in limited play.

DEFENSIVE BACKS: Starters - RCB Antonio Cromartie, LCB Quentin Jammer, SS Clinton Hart, FS Marlon McCree. Backups - CB Drayton Florence, CB Cletis Gordon, CG Steve Gregory, CB Paul Oliver, S Eric Weddle.

Cromartie was sensational as he started the year as a nickel back and finished the year as a starter and leading the NFL with 10 interceptions. His athletic skills are such he might someday get a look on offense - he's that good. Jammer had but one interception but he was a force in run defense and possibly had the best year of his career. McCree probably has played his last game with the Chargers as Weddle is set to take over a starting role. Hart had a career year with 82 tackles and five interceptions. Florence is gone as a free agent, so Gordon or Gregory will get the first crack at his nickel spot.

SPECIAL TEAMS: K Nate Kaeding, P Mike Scifres, KOR Darren Sproles, PR Darren Sproles.

Kaeding gave the Chargers all the offense they could muster in the loss to the Patriots when he was good on all four field-goal attempts. He was solid all year, although his kickoffs were short in the last game as he tried to kick through a leg injury. Scifres averaged 46.1 yards a kick and consistency pinned teams back deep in their own territory which helped the defense greatly. Sproles, at one point, was a long shot to make the roster in camp. But he solidified his spot on the roster for the future with a great year as a returner as he brought back a punt and a kickoff for touchdowns in the regular-season win over the Colts. He averaged 27.2 yards on kickoffs and 9.5 on punts.

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Chargers pick up two-year option on Rivers' contract

Before the playoffs began, the Chargers quietly picked up the option on the final two years of [Philip Rivers'] contract in a long-expected move.

That will cost them $17.125 million and secure the services of their franchise quarterback through 2009.

General Manager A.J. Smith had long said the team would buy back those seasons, and yesterday he was incredulous it was even being brought up.

“It's Philip Rivers,” he said. “You know how I feel about Philip Rivers.

“He's the quarterback of the future. I don't see anything the past two years that would warrant not continuing with him as our quarterback.”

Rivers forced the buyback of 2008 and 2009 by meeting playing-time incentives in 2006. The 2010 season was voided (and cannot be bought back) by his meeting those incentives.

The Chargers had until Feb. 29 to exercise the buyback but chose to do it early.

They are required to pay Rivers a $4.875 million bonus. Plus, his $1.265 million base salary next year was upped to $5.75 million, and his '09 salary was increased from $1.59 million to $6.5 million.

Rivers has won 27 of his 36 career starts, including two of his four playoff games.

While there were struggles during the regular season, Rivers finished strong. And in three playoff games this month, he had an 85.8 passer rating. Moreover, he further entrenched himself as the Chargers' emotional leader by playing the AFC Championship Game with a torn ACL.
 
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Kaeding goes I think.....
I thought I read somewhere that over the last 3 years Kaeding has been the most accurate kicker in the NFL. Do you really want to get rid of him because of a couple of misses when he was banged up?
Reading that he was playing with a broken plant foot has changed my mind! These guys are some motivated dudes!
:towelwave: Playing 5 weeks on a broken leg as a kicker - that's amazing. Plus he converted all his chances against the Pats. I'm fine with him kicking field goals, I don't think there's anyone notably better. Kickoffs do need an improvement.
 
Chargers Team Report

Posted: January 28, 2008

Kevin Acee

For Sporting News

PERSONNEL ANALYSIS: QB Philip Rivers already had the respect of his teammates on offense, but after playing through a severe knee injury in the AFC Championship game, he stands at the threshold of being the Chargers' unquestioned emotional leader for years to come. Management is committed to keeping him long-term (he is currently signed through 2009) and coach Norv Turner's trust and respect for him keeps rising. Rivers played his best football at the end of the regular season and in the postseason. He tore his ACL during the divisional-round win over the Colts, had arthroscopic surgery to clean out the knee and then played in the title game against the Patriots. Despite wearing a gigantic brace that limited his range of motion to 20 degrees, he played well -- and in the process, he left his teammates awed. On this young team, which has a number of players who value hard work and toughness, Rivers has ascended to the role of leader over the past two seasons. He had reconstructive surgery last week 23 and is expected to recover in time for training camp. ...

The shuffling on the coaching staff will not bring a huge shift in philosophy so much as it brings greater solidarity under Turner; the two departed coaches were hires under previous coach Marty Schottenheimer. Although the firing of wide receivers coach James Lofton was met with shock, the move had actually been in the works for a while. Lofton was popular and respected among his players, but he and Turner clashed at times. Also, Turner has long admired Charlie Joiner, whom he officially hired to fill the vacancy the day after he axed Lofton. One thing Joiner brings is experience in the "Air Coryell" offense Turner has long emulated. Turner also replaced running backs coach Matt Simon with Ollie Wilson, who got along well with RB LaDainian Tomlinson when he coached San Diego's running backs during L.T.'s rookie season in 2001.

SCOUTING REPORT: CB Paul Oliver was drafted in the fourth round of the 2007 supplemental draft as a project. He was behind in training camp and was never considered a possibility to play in 2007. In 2008, though, he will get plenty of action, either as a nickel back or a safety in the dime defense. The Chargers are considering moving Oliver (5-10, 195) from corner to safety because he may lack the burst to play corner in the NFL. The team will spend the offseason evaluating where to play him, and then implementing the change if there is one. The Chargers still see him as a steal for a fourth-rounder and were impressed by his work ethic and ball skills in practice.

HARD TRUTH: The Chargers need to get a little bit better (and more consistent) on the offensive line to take the next step and reach the Super Bowl. There are times this group imposes its will and times it makes life difficult for Rivers and Tomlinson. Injuries hurt them this season, and it didn't help that the team had to break in inexperienced RT Jeromey Clary at midseason. One of the most intriguing developments between now and opening day will be how OT Shane Olivea reacts to his demotion and whether he reclaims his job from Clary. There were times the Chargers were crippled by their inability to run to the right, which made them somewhat predictable.

 
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San Diego Chargers

Sitting Pretty

Much virtual ink was spilled on the merits of replacing Marty Schottenheimer with Norv Turner. I’ll spare you a rehashing of those arguments here, but one thing is entirely clear: If A.J. Smith and Schottenheimer were not capable of working together, the Chargers are lucky to still have Smith on board.

As general manager, Smith has done a remarkable job amassing talent without sacrificing San Diego’s financial situation. The Chargers are fresh off a trip to the AFC Championship game, have almost no free agents of note, and feature gobs of cap space.

In addition, this is a relatively young football team. Most of their best and most important players are still comfortably in their prime. The one notable exception is Jamal Williams, the venerable nose tackle who started to show a little bit of age this year. Williams is not even very old, only 32 next season. A research project FO did for ESPN Magazine last year suggested that defensive tackles decline at a later age than any position except for quarterback, punter, and kicker.

The Chargers are actually at a point where free agency is somewhat anticlimactic. They have better players at most positions than many of the available free agents. This off-season should be spent converting the cap space into front-loaded contracts for those players who will be approaching free agency in the coming seasons. Smith needs to identify which of his core players are truly irreplaceable and start locking them up to long-term deals. A good place to start would be star outside linebacker Shawne Merriman or left tackle Marcus McNeill.

Who Could Leave?

The Chargers could afford to keep everyone, but that does not mean that they will. The Chargers are likely to let Michael Turner leave in free agency. The talented backup to LaDainian Tomlinson will command starter’s money in the free agent market.

More interesting is the question about whether or not they will part ways with fullback Lorenzo Neal. The Chargers de-emphasized the fullback position in their first year under Norv. Tomlinson was slightly less effective last season, but that may not be solely the result of Neal’s decreased role. Neal is definitely old; he blocked for somebody named Mario Bates in his first full season as a fullback all the way back in 1994. Neal is no longer the player he was, but if the Chargers do let him go, he will likely find a seventh home with a contending team that will be happy to watch him lead a high-profile running back through the hole.

(Ed. note: Mario Bates is also known as “The guy in the early years of our PBP database who is not Michael Bates.”)

The only other free agent of note is cornerback Drayton Florence. The Chargers defense improved dramatically when Florence was moved out of the starting lineup for Antonio Cromartie. Florence is a decent nickelback, but he likely will command too big a salary on the free market to be retained for that role.

Whom Should They Sign?

(Current Cap Room $40.9 million)

The Chargers are really a team without any major needs. Their safeties are not the best tandem in the NFL, but they are serviceable. Every other position on defense is at least above-average. The trade for Chris Chambers and the potential return from injury of Eric Parker means they have no holes on offense either. Any improvement would therefore require a massive investment for some of the very best players in free agency. That simply seems unlikely. If they do add a free agent, it will be for depth, perhaps a middle-tier cornerback such as Jacques “The Human Target” Reeves or Terry Cousin.

One question is what the Chargers will do about their backup quarterback situation. Philip Rivers’ knee injury makes a backup an important part of next year’s team. They may hold on to Billy Volek, or they could let Charlie Whitehurst assume the second-string duties. They could get involved in grabbing someone at the Daunte Culpepper/Cleo Lemon/Josh McCown level if they are too concerned about Rivers’ prognosis.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2008/02/1...our-downs/6114/

 
I wonder if Zach Thomas has any gas left in the tank, and if so what it would cost to get him in a Charger uni. I think he could do for them what Godfrey had been doing up until last year. Do you guys think he'd be an upgrade over Wilhelm, or are we just stuck with Wilhelm as a starter?

 
I wonder if Zach Thomas has any gas left in the tank, and if so what it would cost to get him in a Charger uni. I think he could do for them what Godfrey had been doing up until last year. Do you guys think he'd be an upgrade over Wilhelm, or are we just stuck with Wilhelm as a starter?
He's the type of guy I'd like them to add, I just don't think Thomas has anything left in the tank. I'd rather have a guy like Derek Smith(SF) to push Wilhelm for a starting position.
 
I wonder if Zach Thomas has any gas left in the tank, and if so what it would cost to get him in a Charger uni. I think he could do for them what Godfrey had been doing up until last year. Do you guys think he'd be an upgrade over Wilhelm, or are we just stuck with Wilhelm as a starter?
I think Zach Thomas fits better in a 4-3 defense where he does not have to take on inside linemen as often. Although, I still think it would be an upgrade. I would love it if we spent some of that cap room on another lineman. I know it is against AJs style, but Faneca would be a great addition to the line.
 

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