*** OFFICIAL Cubs vs. Mets NLCS thread: Is it 2018 already? *** (1 Viewer)

[glock]

Crazy.

 

[RnR]

Curses aren't real.

Murphy the Goat disagrees.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Mets in 6

Oops. I bet the Mets in each of the first three games and for the series though, so I'm good. Congrats to every Mets fan but Gilda. Happy for you Koya, make sure you get to a World Series game.

 

[tjnc09]

Now that the Mets are the opponent, it's hard not to think about how special this series can be.

We're looking at two teams that are on the same upward arc, both of which are ahead of schedule, but going about it in completely different ways.

Cubs have built their organization around bats and added necessary arms to the arsenal

Mets have built their organization around arms and added bats as needed

With the player control these teams are looking at, it's likely that we're witnessing the beginning of a great rivalry that could last for the next 4-5 years.

Over the long haul, I'll always favor bats to arms, so for the next 4-5 years, I'll say the advantage is lies with the Cubs.

I'll also say advantage Cubs for this series. Outside of Gildz and RBM being awful human beings, The young Met arms have passed, or are approaching unprecedented levels of innings pitched. While most of the Cubs arms are too, they have experience on their side.

I will take arms over bats in the postseason all day, every day. Cubs aren't going to be hitting in Wrigley with the wind blowing out at 25 MPH every night.

Lol Cubs have pitching and hitting.

You found it necessary to laugh at my post. Can you provide me an update so far?

The notion that the Cubs didn't have any pitching was laughable. They had one of the best pitching staffs in the league this season, outperforming the Mets in several categories knowledgable people use to measure pitching success.The results of two playoff games don't change any of that.

lol, anyone who uses regular season pitching stats to compare the Cubs rotation to the Mets is not very bright. What exactly does a Jon Niese 8/22 start in Colorado or Bartolo Colon 6/12 start vs. Atlanta have to do with this series? Absolutely nothing. Why would you even bring up regular season stats? People might as well bring up some Doc Gooden stats while they are at it. DeGrom, Syndergaard, Harvey, and Matz is one of the sickest four man postseason starting rotations I have seen in some time. Plus the Mets have a high leverage man in Familia who has no problem coming into relief for 1-2 innings. He has dominated this post season so far. I definitely can see how that is the same as bringing in Fernando Rodney when a critical out is needed.

Anybody watching this Mets rotation pitch should realize it is not some fluke because of two games. It will be bad luck if they don't win the series.

This is a sport where playing .571 ball is considered an excellent season, 92-93 wins. That's a rate of four wins every seven games. The differential between any two playoff games is certainly less than one win every seven games. Not saying every playoff win is good luck and every playoff loss is bad luck. I'm saying any two playoff teams are close enough together to find valid arguments for either team winning a seven-game playoff series.

Saying the Cubs have good pitchers is not the same thing as saying the Mets have bad pitchers. It's possible to think both the Mets and Cubs have good pitchers. Just about every available quantitative and qualitative measure knowledgeable people use would say both teams have strong pitching, even if they a have a preference one way or the other.

No one was arguing the Mets' strong pitching performance this weekend was a fluke. If anything was outside expectations, it was Arrieta giving up three runs after the first three hitters tonight after pretty much shutting down the entire league since the All-Star Break.

What are these "quantitative and qualitative measures" knowledgeable people are using? In a seven game series, give me the team who has an extremely deep starting rotation and the best relief player available. Even if all four Mets starters don't start, they have the flexibility to use one in relief such as Thor in game 5 vs. LA. The Cubs pitching depth is nowhere near what the Mets have available. The number of innings possibly pitched by a "very good" pitcher for the Mets far outweighs that of the Cubs. No regular season is going to accurately quantify that.

I really don't believe this either: I'm saying any two playoff teams are close enough together to find valid arguments for either team winning a seven-game playoff series.

The Cardinals, for example, were really bad heading into the postseason. I'm not sure how anyone could have honestly given them a chance.

Excellent work in here Bruce. You are definitely justified in saying everything I post uses flawed logic. Cubs pitching staff = Mets pitching staff

 

[tjnc09]

Congrats Mets fans. to four more wins.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Yeah this is their year IMO. Hopefully they beat either of those dirty AL teams.

 

[hagmania]

Tough series to stomach.

gg

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Excellent work in here Bruce.

I notice you bumped that post without addressing my real response to it, instead deciding to make up some stuff.

You are definitely justified in saying everything I post uses flawed logic.

I never said that. You're doing an excellent job proving me right about stuff I've actually said about you, though.

Cubs pitching staff = Mets pitching staff

I never said that. Over this four-game sample size the Mets pitching staff had a lot more success than the Cubs pitching staff.

 

[comfortably numb]

I'm shocked this was a sweep.

Mets never trailed in the entire series.

A disappointing end to a great season by the Cubs.

This surely isn't the last we have heard from the Cubs. Theo has some tweaking to do (some help on defense? ?) but you Cubs are in a very good position for the future.

Good series and I get the sense the Mets just took part 1 in what looks to be a several part series in the near future.