Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
still wont say obama born in the united states. #### this guy.
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Eligoesdeep
Footballguy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I'm waiting for the debate question about it when he pivots and the media lauds his reasonableness.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
What? He is a racist piece of garbage and so is anybody else still clinging to this birther crap.
Riversco
Footballguy
Whats wrong wih my track record? Ive been consistent from the start. Whoever got the big convention bounce historically is the overwhelming favorite. Trump was a serious threat until hillary got that bounce. As i said after the bounce occurred, historically the candidate that does not get the bounce closes the gap every fall (often closing that gap in a big way) but they never actually WIN except 1980. This race is trending as expected. Trump has closed the gap but he odds of him SWEEPING all battleground states and winning a blue state are miserable. Hillary will get some positive coverage and the blue states will kick out to unreachable again.
quickhands
Footballguy
Who cares if he was born in the USA. His mom is an American citizen, so he is. Can we stop caring what Trump says about this.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Call Fox what you will, Faux News, Fix News, in the bag, unreliable, an arm of the RNC, Ailes' Army, whatever, I have never seen anything as ridiculous as Hannity and his team of experts going over Trump's BMI tonight (I was able to take maybe 20 seconds of it). Insane.
bigbottom
Footballguy
We've been over this a bunch. If Obama was born in another country, he wouldn't have been a U.S. citizen under the law in place at the time.
Eligoesdeep
Footballguy
CNN MSNBC = Sean Hannity on steroids for Shillary, but I bet that doesn't bother you.
Bucky86
Footballguy
I see why you like Trump so much.
baymen
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
On July 30, just after the Democratic Convention, Trump actually had the lead for one day: 50.1% to 49.9%. I think a lot of independents, never-Trump and never-Hillary voters are having trouble making up their minds.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Nope, I'm doing just fine. I try and just skim over posts in this thread for entertainment. Every once in awhile when I see such a ridiculous post such as yours above I can't help myself and respond against my better judgment.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
i have the glorious honor for babysitting elderly grandparents in law so hopefully that explains that. No. 1 likely channel to be on when I walk in the door, no. 2 is "the western channel". It's been a fun year.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
I hope you got to catch Andy Dean try to share the screen with Don Lemon, Van Jones, Bakari Sellers, and Paris Dennard tonight. It was glorious.
The General
Footballguy
Eligoesdeep
Footballguy
3C's
Footballguy
Birther flip-flop
the Republican nominee still can't bring himself to say it out loud and in public.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwkU8-d1gIk
the Republican nominee still can't bring himself to say it out loud and in public.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwkU8-d1gIk
bagger
Footballguy
Cruz will be the nominee in 2020. Just like in 2012 the Republicans will have learned nothing, or have forgotten the lesson by 2018.
cstu
Footballguy
Birther flip-flop
the Republican nominee still can't bring himself to say it out loud and in public.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwkU8-d1gIk
This is beyond all comprehension. The VP candidate says Obama was born in America, Trump's advisor is saying he believes Obama was born in America, but Trump himself will not.
W. T. F.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
I think Trump's resistance to this plan goes a bit farther.
The message the campaign wanted to put out was that Hillary started the birther movement, and Trump ended it by getting Obama to release his birth certificate. Since Hillary is weak and crooked, she couldn't finish what she started, but Trump is a closer and closed the deal.
Any observation of the Trump voting bloc over the last year and a half suggests this is a great plan and an easy sell to Trump voters. And by ending the birther issue, it gives white women one more reason to think Trump might be a smidge less racist than they think he is, and can vote for him now.
The problem, though, is Trump is proud to have kicked off the birther movement. He's bragged about it many times. And even after Obama released his birth certificate, Trump kept trying to reopen the issue. In 2012, he said he heard from a reliable source that Obama's birth certificate was a fake. In 2013 when the civil servant who verified the certificate died in a plane crash, Trump suggested the death was suspicious, with intent to silence the person before they could retract their story. He can't let this go, even though there's nothing more to gain from it.
If he does admit Obama was born here, what are all who hopped on the Trump bandwagon over the birther issue going to do? Vote for the woman? Not vote for the most racist candidate, and most welcoming of racist voters? There's no downside to letting it go now. But he couldn't.
chauncey
Footballguy
These guys in here are still talking about birther stuff.
Nobody in America gives a #### about that issue anymore.
Hillary started it, Trump pushed it after she made her deal to shut up in exchange for SoS, they both are guilty of trying to smear a candidate they were opposed to, STOP THE PRESSES!
The only reason you guys are rehashing it is because Trump has been destroying Hillary over the past few weeks and you have nothing else to throw at him. Next thing you guys are going to argue is that he is literally Hitler.
Moving on.......
Nobody in America gives a #### about that issue anymore.
Hillary started it, Trump pushed it after she made her deal to shut up in exchange for SoS, they both are guilty of trying to smear a candidate they were opposed to, STOP THE PRESSES!
The only reason you guys are rehashing it is because Trump has been destroying Hillary over the past few weeks and you have nothing else to throw at him. Next thing you guys are going to argue is that he is literally Hitler.
Moving on.......
chauncey
Footballguy
Video removed by user. Google trying to censor positive Trump stories again?
Here is the clip of Fallon tussling Trump's hair: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0BYqzdiuJc
I guess that destroys the theory that he is wearing a hairpiece. I am a little disappointed they didn't have Trump open an unopened pickle jar so we could hear the pop.
The comments are gold. Almost all pro-Trump. I guess the CTR shills and bots don't have the energy or intelligence to comment, only to give it a thumbs down.
chauncey
Footballguy
Korean Southern California, 63% candidates Trump support.
http://radiokorea.com/news/article.php?uid=237032
As deplorable Koreans would say:
538 kek!
http://radiokorea.com/news/article.php?uid=237032
As deplorable Koreans would say:
538 kek!
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
The Trump campaign spent a lot of time on the birther issue today. That's why we were talking about it. I get that you have to set truth aside to be able to support Trump and you're not smart enough to handle honest debate so you don't give a ####. I was just explaining why we were talking about it.These guys in here are still talking about birther stuff.
Nobody in America gives a #### about that issue anymore.
Hillary started it, Trump pushed it after she made her deal to shut up in exchange for SoS, they both are guilty of trying to smear a candidate they were opposed to, STOP THE PRESSES!
The only reason you guys are rehashing it is because Trump has been destroying Hillary over the past few weeks and you have nothing else to throw at him. Next thing you guys are going to argue is that he is literally Hitler.
Moving on.......
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Eligoesdeep
Footballguy
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/trump-campaign-statement
Trump Campaign Statement
"Hillary Clinton’s campaign first raised this issue to smear then-candidate Barack Obama in her very nasty, failed 2008 campaign for President. This type of vicious and conniving behavior is straight from the Clinton Playbook. As usual, however, Hillary Clinton was too weak to get an answer. Even the MSNBC show Morning Joe admits that it was Clinton’s henchmen who first raised this issue, not Donald J. Trump.
In 2011, Mr. Trump was finally able to bring this ugly incident to its conclusion by successfully compelling President Obama to release his birth certificate. Mr. Trump did a great service to the President and the country by bringing closure to the issue that Hillary Clinton and her team first raised. Inarguably, Donald J. Trump is a closer. Having successfully obtained President Obama’s birth certificate when others could not, Mr. Trump believes that President Obama was born in the United States.
Mr. Trump is now totally focused on bringing jobs back to America, defeating radical Islamic terrorism, taking care of our veterans, introducing school choice opportunities and rebuilding and making our inner cities safe again." – Jason Miller, Senior Communications Advisor
Trump Campaign Statement
"Hillary Clinton’s campaign first raised this issue to smear then-candidate Barack Obama in her very nasty, failed 2008 campaign for President. This type of vicious and conniving behavior is straight from the Clinton Playbook. As usual, however, Hillary Clinton was too weak to get an answer. Even the MSNBC show Morning Joe admits that it was Clinton’s henchmen who first raised this issue, not Donald J. Trump.
In 2011, Mr. Trump was finally able to bring this ugly incident to its conclusion by successfully compelling President Obama to release his birth certificate. Mr. Trump did a great service to the President and the country by bringing closure to the issue that Hillary Clinton and her team first raised. Inarguably, Donald J. Trump is a closer. Having successfully obtained President Obama’s birth certificate when others could not, Mr. Trump believes that President Obama was born in the United States.
Mr. Trump is now totally focused on bringing jobs back to America, defeating radical Islamic terrorism, taking care of our veterans, introducing school choice opportunities and rebuilding and making our inner cities safe again." – Jason Miller, Senior Communications Advisor
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Yeah, that doesn't make sense.
The Trump campaign is addressing something that nobody cares about - WHY?
The actual reason is he is scrambling for votes from the same group that would tend to be most offended by the nonsense in the first place. It is far from the only one, but it is yet another reason to make his seriousness seem less credible and more tenuous. Fringe, wack, Infowars/Breitbart-type gibberish and lunacy, embarrassingly gullible and delusional to have ever believed it, let alone allow himself to become the most prominent spokesperson of. The stink isn't going to come off as easily as a sudden surrogate backpedal/reversal/retraction, glib, facile glossings over it notwithstanding.
A brief history of Trump's Birther revisionism
Was Hillary Clinton the Original ‘Birther’?
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/
Two Republican presidential candidates claim the so-called “birther” movement originated with the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2008. While it’s true that some of her ardent supporters pushed the theory, there is no evidence that Clinton or her campaign had anything to do with it.
In an interview on June 29, Sen. Ted Cruz said “the whole birther thing was started by the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2008,” and earlier this year, Donald Trump claimed “Hillary Clinton wanted [Obama’s] birth certificate. Hillary is a birther.”
Neither Cruz nor Trump presented any evidence that Clinton or anyone on her campaign ever questioned Obama’s birthplace, demanded to see his birth certificate, or otherwise suggested that Obama was not a “natural born citizen” eligible to serve as president.
For those unfamiliar with the controversy over Obama’s birthplace, it refers to those who contend that Obama was born in Kenya and ineligible to be president.
At FactCheck.org, we have written about the issue of Obama’s birthplace on multiple occasions — indeed we were the first media organization to hold his birth certificate in our hot little hands and vouch for the authenticity of it. But facts have done little to squelch the conspiracy theories that continue to bounce around online.
The issue arose again this week in an interview with Cruz, who was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father. Yahoo News’ Katie Couric asked Cruz if he thought that was going to be an issue for voters.
“It’s interesting, the whole birther thing was started by the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2008 against Barack Obama,” Cruz said (at about the 25:25 mark). Cruz then went on to say that he believes he clearly meets the constitutional requirement for a president to be a “natural born citizen.”
The claim about Clinton’s tie to “birthers” was made earlier by Donald Trump in February at the CPAC event (at 24:20 mark). Trump — who has a history of pushing bogus theories about Obama’s birth — said, “Hillary Clinton wanted [Obama’s] birth certificate. Hillary is a birther. She wanted … but she was unable to get it.”
We asked the Cruz campaign for backup, and it pointed us to two articles. The first ran in Politico on April 22, 2011, under the headline, “Birtherism: Where it all began.”
Politico, April 22, 2011: The answer lies in Democratic, not Republican politics, and in the bitter, exhausting spring of 2008. At the time, the Democratic presidential primary was slipping away from Hillary Clinton and some of her most passionate supporters grasped for something, anything that would deal a final reversal to Barack Obama.
According to the article, the theory that Obama was born in Kenya “first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.”
The second article, which ran several days after the Politico piece, was published by the Telegraph, a British paper, which stated: “An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii.”
Both of those stories comport with what we here at FactCheck.org wrote two-and-a-half years earlier, on Nov. 8, 2008: “This claim was first advanced by diehard Hillary Clinton supporters as her campaign for the party’s nomination faded, and has enjoyed a revival among John McCain’s partisans as he fell substantially behind Obama in public opinion polls.”
Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.
But none of those stories suggests any link between the Clinton campaign, let alone Clinton herself, and the advocacy of theories questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
One of the authors of the Politico story, Byron Tau, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told FactCheck.org via email that “we never found any links between the Clinton campaign and the rumors in 2008.”
The other coauthor of the Politico story, Ben Smith, now the editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed, said in a May 2013 interview on MSNBC that the conspiracy theories traced back to “some of [Hillary Clinton’s] passionate supporters,” during the final throes of Clinton’s 2008 campaign. But he said they did not come from “Clinton herself or her staff.”
Josh Schwerin, a spokesman for the Clinton campaign, said Cruz’s claim is false. “The Clinton campaign never suggested that President Obama was not born here,” Schwerin wrote to us in an email.
It is certainly interesting, and perhaps historically and politically relevant, that “birther” advocacy may have originated with supporters of Hillary Clinton — especially since many view it as an exclusively right-wing movement. But whether those theories were advocated by Clinton and/or her campaign or simply by Clinton “supporters” is an important distinction. Candidates are expected to be held accountable for the actions of their campaigns. Neither Cruz nor Trump, whose campaign did not respond to our request for backup material, provides any compelling evidence that either Clinton or her campaign had anything to do with starting the so-called birther movement.
— Robert Farley
Donald Trump’s ridiculous claim that Hillary Clinton started the birther movement
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/06/donald-trumps-ridiculous-claim-that-hillary-clinton-started-the-birther-movement/
“You know who started the birther movement? You know who started it? Do you know who questioned his birth certificate, one of the first? Hillary Clinton. She’s the one that started it. She brought it up years before it was brought up by me.”
— Donald Trump, interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, May 4, 2016
Zombie claims are stubborn things. No matter how many times you debunk them, they keep rising from the dead — even eight years later.
Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement? {MASSIVE FAIL}
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/
Republicans are blaming Hillary Clinton for the ‘birther’ movement. That’s wishful thinking.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/23/republicans-are-blaming-hillary-clinton-for-the-birther-movement-thats-wishful-thinking/?tid=a_inl
The Trump campaign is addressing something that nobody cares about - WHY?
The actual reason is he is scrambling for votes from the same group that would tend to be most offended by the nonsense in the first place. It is far from the only one, but it is yet another reason to make his seriousness seem less credible and more tenuous. Fringe, wack, Infowars/Breitbart-type gibberish and lunacy, embarrassingly gullible and delusional to have ever believed it, let alone allow himself to become the most prominent spokesperson of. The stink isn't going to come off as easily as a sudden surrogate backpedal/reversal/retraction, glib, facile glossings over it notwithstanding.
A brief history of Trump's Birther revisionism
Was Hillary Clinton the Original ‘Birther’?
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/
Two Republican presidential candidates claim the so-called “birther” movement originated with the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2008. While it’s true that some of her ardent supporters pushed the theory, there is no evidence that Clinton or her campaign had anything to do with it.
In an interview on June 29, Sen. Ted Cruz said “the whole birther thing was started by the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2008,” and earlier this year, Donald Trump claimed “Hillary Clinton wanted [Obama’s] birth certificate. Hillary is a birther.”
Neither Cruz nor Trump presented any evidence that Clinton or anyone on her campaign ever questioned Obama’s birthplace, demanded to see his birth certificate, or otherwise suggested that Obama was not a “natural born citizen” eligible to serve as president.
For those unfamiliar with the controversy over Obama’s birthplace, it refers to those who contend that Obama was born in Kenya and ineligible to be president.
At FactCheck.org, we have written about the issue of Obama’s birthplace on multiple occasions — indeed we were the first media organization to hold his birth certificate in our hot little hands and vouch for the authenticity of it. But facts have done little to squelch the conspiracy theories that continue to bounce around online.
The issue arose again this week in an interview with Cruz, who was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father. Yahoo News’ Katie Couric asked Cruz if he thought that was going to be an issue for voters.
“It’s interesting, the whole birther thing was started by the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2008 against Barack Obama,” Cruz said (at about the 25:25 mark). Cruz then went on to say that he believes he clearly meets the constitutional requirement for a president to be a “natural born citizen.”
The claim about Clinton’s tie to “birthers” was made earlier by Donald Trump in February at the CPAC event (at 24:20 mark). Trump — who has a history of pushing bogus theories about Obama’s birth — said, “Hillary Clinton wanted [Obama’s] birth certificate. Hillary is a birther. She wanted … but she was unable to get it.”
We asked the Cruz campaign for backup, and it pointed us to two articles. The first ran in Politico on April 22, 2011, under the headline, “Birtherism: Where it all began.”
Politico, April 22, 2011: The answer lies in Democratic, not Republican politics, and in the bitter, exhausting spring of 2008. At the time, the Democratic presidential primary was slipping away from Hillary Clinton and some of her most passionate supporters grasped for something, anything that would deal a final reversal to Barack Obama.
According to the article, the theory that Obama was born in Kenya “first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.”
The second article, which ran several days after the Politico piece, was published by the Telegraph, a British paper, which stated: “An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii.”
Both of those stories comport with what we here at FactCheck.org wrote two-and-a-half years earlier, on Nov. 8, 2008: “This claim was first advanced by diehard Hillary Clinton supporters as her campaign for the party’s nomination faded, and has enjoyed a revival among John McCain’s partisans as he fell substantially behind Obama in public opinion polls.”
Claims about Obama’s birthplace appeared in chain emails bouncing around the Web, and one of the first lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate was filed by Philip Berg, a former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general and a self-described “moderate to liberal” who supported Clinton.
But none of those stories suggests any link between the Clinton campaign, let alone Clinton herself, and the advocacy of theories questioning Obama’s birth in Hawaii.
One of the authors of the Politico story, Byron Tau, now a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told FactCheck.org via email that “we never found any links between the Clinton campaign and the rumors in 2008.”
The other coauthor of the Politico story, Ben Smith, now the editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed, said in a May 2013 interview on MSNBC that the conspiracy theories traced back to “some of [Hillary Clinton’s] passionate supporters,” during the final throes of Clinton’s 2008 campaign. But he said they did not come from “Clinton herself or her staff.”
Josh Schwerin, a spokesman for the Clinton campaign, said Cruz’s claim is false. “The Clinton campaign never suggested that President Obama was not born here,” Schwerin wrote to us in an email.
It is certainly interesting, and perhaps historically and politically relevant, that “birther” advocacy may have originated with supporters of Hillary Clinton — especially since many view it as an exclusively right-wing movement. But whether those theories were advocated by Clinton and/or her campaign or simply by Clinton “supporters” is an important distinction. Candidates are expected to be held accountable for the actions of their campaigns. Neither Cruz nor Trump, whose campaign did not respond to our request for backup material, provides any compelling evidence that either Clinton or her campaign had anything to do with starting the so-called birther movement.
— Robert Farley
Donald Trump’s ridiculous claim that Hillary Clinton started the birther movement
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/06/donald-trumps-ridiculous-claim-that-hillary-clinton-started-the-birther-movement/
“You know who started the birther movement? You know who started it? Do you know who questioned his birth certificate, one of the first? Hillary Clinton. She’s the one that started it. She brought it up years before it was brought up by me.”
— Donald Trump, interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, May 4, 2016
Zombie claims are stubborn things. No matter how many times you debunk them, they keep rising from the dead — even eight years later.
Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement? {MASSIVE FAIL}
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/hillary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check/
Republicans are blaming Hillary Clinton for the ‘birther’ movement. That’s wishful thinking.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/23/republicans-are-blaming-hillary-clinton-for-the-birther-movement-thats-wishful-thinking/?tid=a_inl
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Hilarious that Trump coopted the nutter idea, and now that it is a hot potato, he clumsily, ham-handedly has his surrogates try and throw it back. But it won't work. There is no connection to Clinton (does look traceable to rogue, renegade elements of one time supporters), she has been asked and unlike Trump instantly and categorically distanced herself from, denounced and repudiated the idea and whoever conceived it. Trump, OTOH, has gleefully been the front man and played point for an extended period of time.
His flacks and flunkies goofily crafting a statement in which he takes credit for "closing the deal" because of his "strength" is, if possible, even sillier and more cornball, as no sane person doubted the veracity of Obama's stated origin in the first place. It's tantamount to Trump patting himself on the back for "strongly" "closing the deal" securing a letter from NASA authenticating that the moon isn't made of green cheese (BREAKING NEWS!!!). Or the National Geographic Society that the Earth really isn't flat. Or the American Psychiatric Association that 19th century Phrenology doesn't map on very well to contemporary cognitive science. Etc. Etc. Etc. (I'll take stuff every sane person knows already and didn't need "proof" of for a $1,000, Alex).
His flacks and flunkies goofily crafting a statement in which he takes credit for "closing the deal" because of his "strength" is, if possible, even sillier and more cornball, as no sane person doubted the veracity of Obama's stated origin in the first place. It's tantamount to Trump patting himself on the back for "strongly" "closing the deal" securing a letter from NASA authenticating that the moon isn't made of green cheese (BREAKING NEWS!!!). Or the National Geographic Society that the Earth really isn't flat. Or the American Psychiatric Association that 19th century Phrenology doesn't map on very well to contemporary cognitive science. Etc. Etc. Etc. (I'll take stuff every sane person knows already and didn't need "proof" of for a $1,000, Alex).
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Riversco
Footballguy
Trump is trying to assemble a patchwork quilt of like 11 battleground states and a blue state. He needs to sweep them all. Its very likely the only way to do it is for Trump to contradict himself a lot. That's why the odds of him pulling it off are so low.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Exactly. People are being told it sucks out there. They are believing it. It makes sense because in the microcosm their lives do suck. But that's not because of Obama. It's because they are too dumb to take responsibility for their own happiness.It's already better than everyone else by a mile.
Somehow I live in the most liberal state in the union and I have to deal with Trump supporter's galore where I live. Tonight I was talking to what I thought was a completely reasonable guy who told me "Obama ruined this country so bad, that we'll never recover." I asked him for examples and he said, "you'll see." What will I see?
This country is doing great, it really is. We have our problems, we have always had problems and I can name them during every year since Seventeen Seventy ####### Six. It's not the end of the world, things that happen in months and years are not what is happening over decades.
He said that more police officer's were being killed in the line of duty than any other time in our country. Any other time since 1800? Since 1870? Since 1970? I work in LE, every death of a sworn officer makes me sick but don't Hannity me up. Get your facts straight and stop being brainwashed by the alt right agenda and maybe, just maybe you'll live a less paranoid delusional life.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Trump on replacing Obamacare:
"We have to come up, and we can come up with many different plans. In fact, plans you don't even know about will be devised because we're going to come up with plans - health care plans- that will be so good."
I mean, who can argue with that?
"We have to come up, and we can come up with many different plans. In fact, plans you don't even know about will be devised because we're going to come up with plans - health care plans- that will be so good."
I mean, who can argue with that?
Riversco
Footballguy
The reasons I've heard for the ruinination of the country are:
1. loss of respect for our military worldwide
2. workforce participation rate at record lows
3. obamacare not living up to the promise
4. the obamacare tax on people who dont have insurance
5. illegal immigrants and the political class that actually defend them.
6. bailing out the banks instead of breaking them up or reforming them which is just pushing the problem down the road.
7. lack of affordable housing
8. not doing anything about escalating college costs
9. not doing anything about the ridiculous amount of student debt.
10. invasion of privacy by government in the name of fighting terrorism.
11. deteriorating police-public relations.
12. deteriorating race relations.
Other than that, I guess the nation is doing great and Obama is the best ever.
1. loss of respect for our military worldwide
2. workforce participation rate at record lows
3. obamacare not living up to the promise
4. the obamacare tax on people who dont have insurance
5. illegal immigrants and the political class that actually defend them.
6. bailing out the banks instead of breaking them up or reforming them which is just pushing the problem down the road.
7. lack of affordable housing
8. not doing anything about escalating college costs
9. not doing anything about the ridiculous amount of student debt.
10. invasion of privacy by government in the name of fighting terrorism.
11. deteriorating police-public relations.
12. deteriorating race relations.
Other than that, I guess the nation is doing great and Obama is the best ever.
apalmer
Footballguy
You've heard those? Yeah, a lot of people are saying that. But, you left out #13 that a lot of people are also saying: those rich guys making big contributions to NAMBLA.The reasons I've heard for the ruinination of the country are:
1. loss of respect for our military worldwide
2. workforce participation rate at record lows
3. obamacare not living up to the promise
4. the obamacare tax on people who dont have insurance
5. illegal immigrants and the political class that actually defend them.
6. bailing out the banks instead of breaking them up or reforming them which is just pushing the problem down the road.
7. lack of affordable housing
8. not doing anything about escalating college costs
9. not doing anything about the ridiculous amount of student debt.
10. invasion of privacy by government in the name of fighting terrorism.
11. deteriorating police-public relations.
12. deteriorating race relations.
Other than that, I guess the nation is doing great and Obama is the best ever.
3C's
Footballguy
I'm surprised he left off "it will make your head spin." He really has the best words.
kwille
Footballguy
I'm not a big Obama fan boy but it's kinda difficult for a Pres to do anything when the primary focus of the the legislative branch is to shut him down for 8 years. The blame for your entire list lies mainly with our representatives, not O.The reasons I've heard for the ruinination of the country are:
1. loss of respect for our military worldwide
2. workforce participation rate at record lows
3. obamacare not living up to the promise
4. the obamacare tax on people who dont have insurance
5. illegal immigrants and the political class that actually defend them.
6. bailing out the banks instead of breaking them up or reforming them which is just pushing the problem down the road.
7. lack of affordable housing
8. not doing anything about escalating college costs
9. not doing anything about the ridiculous amount of student debt.
10. invasion of privacy by government in the name of fighting terrorism.
11. deteriorating police-public relations.
12. deteriorating race relations.
Other than that, I guess the nation is doing great and Obama is the best ever.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Birtherism had to come back. The campaign is supposed to be a vetting for the most important job in the world; failing to hold one of the candidates responsible for spending years (and rising to conservative prominence based on) pushing a racist conspiracy theory is mandatory. Letting it slide would have been journalistic malpractice. Letting Trump off based on a lie-filled statement from his campaign people instead of the man himself would be as well. Thankfully after the Lauer fiasco I'm at least sort of hopeful that won't happen. He needs to answer for every bit of this, including the lie-filled statement accusing Clinton of starting birtherism and falsely claiming that he stopped peddling it in 2011.
Good take from Olivia Nuzzi at Daily Beast:
Good take from Olivia Nuzzi at Daily Beast:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ha he is obsessed with the birther thing, he almost has a tick, can't let it go. It is easy to press his buttons on it.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Even if he never wanted to utter another word about it again it shouldn't matter. He needs to answer for it. It's ugly, pretty obviously racist, has negative ramifications for the future (allowing people to get away with putting the burden for disproving ludicrous conspiracy theories on the accused is a recipe for total mayhem), and also shows him to be a complete hypocrite given his failure to release even the most basic information about himself as all politicians have done. He needs to answer for it, not in a speech but in a setting where he can be challenged on it like a debate or press conference or interview.
Harry Manback
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Hey I agree but first the press has to do it (see your prior discussions on them, and personally I think they've been repeatedly exposed as incompetent during this campaign) and also I think he does want to answer these questions, he can't help himself. On second thought, I think you're right, it's not just mental, he's got a personal hate, jealousy or resentment of Obama, he can't let it go. I have no other explanation. However he is firmly planted in InfoWars land, that's where his mind lives. If the press does push him on it he will just dig and dig.
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TobiasFunke
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Let's hope so. I've sensed a shift in tone in the press the last couple days, more of a willingness to hold him accountable for his lies. And after the Lauer bit people are going nuts on anyone who takes it easy on him- even poor Jimmy Fallon is getting caught up in it today.
Last weekend was a disaster for Clinton and I expected bad polls Wednesday-today as a consequence (since those mostly were taken at the peak of pneumonia and deplorables frenzy). I actually expected them to be a bit worse than they've been so far. But if she doesn't get a bit of a bounceback in the polls that come out next Monday-Wednesday, hopefully showing her up 2-4 points, she's in trouble.
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SaintsInDome2006
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What would probably drive Trump over the edge is if an interviewer asked him to compare Obama's heritage with his own or Melania's or Judge Curiel's. Trump's mother was foreign, so was Obama's father. Melania and Ivana were foreign born, so were Judge Curiel's parents, so what does that make his children? He'd flip out.
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Sammy3469
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Wait, wait, wait...you actually think the media will hold his feet to the fire over this. They're going to do what the morons on Morning Joe did this morning. Take the PR statement, say Clinton's supporters started it, show the 60 Minutes tape where she thought he wasn't a Muslim as "proof" she was non-committal, and give him credit for finally denouncing it today. This is big fat stinky bait for the media and they'll take it...hook, line, and sinker and play the false equivalence thing again.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Bringing back the birther stuff also brought back that the guy who started the "Obama is a closeted Muslim" garbage once ran for Congress on the platform of "exterminating Jew power in America". An unpleasant, yet important, reminder of the class of person we're dealing with here.
3C's
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Maybe I'm naive but I have faith that somebody will do it. He'll certainly be pressed to utter the words himself, especially given this little nugget:
And then hopefully someone who gets a sitdown or one of the moderators will press him on it, and also the double standard he seems to have adopted w/r/t his own personal information. We'll see I guess, but I think there's been a bit of an ebb and flow on the coverage of Trump. When he trails they give him soft coverage, when he gets close they give him real coverage, the kind they've given candidates from both parties in recent elections.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So he's obese. Maybe it's the taco bowls and Big Macs. Meanwhile Melania is on green tea pills and seeds most likely. Can't wait to see the presidential fitness program for kids.
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