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Ramblin Wreck said:
Give me some straight facts of what the D's have actually done in the numerous inner cities that house many from the black community that they control to make those communities better.  Baltimore, Detroit, South Chicago, etc... are still the same ####holes they've been for decades.
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Well,  Democrats don't refer to them as "the blacks. "  That's a start. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Wait for what?  I'm not here to teach you how to read.  Literally less than 5 posts up I said "I'm not saying Trump cares either but this line about Democratic party cares about minorities and the Republicans don't is total nonsense."  We know Dem. policies have done nothing to help those communities.  We don't know if R policies would work or not because Dem's have controlled those cities for decades.
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No we don't know if R policies focused on helping disadvantaged blacks would work because those policies are not advanced.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
What D policies are "advanced" that are helping disadvantaged blacks?
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For starters, the ones where they fight through the laws and court system to help keep them with the ability to vote.  :grad:

When discussing the 2 big political parties, only one side is doing that.  *and that's the one that includes the progressives.

 
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BigSteelThrill said:
For starters, the ones where they fight through the laws and court system to help keep them with the ability to vote.  :grad:

When discussing the 2 big political parties, only one side is doing that.
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So keeping them in poverty, for example, is cool as long as they can vote?   And your claim that Republicans don't want the black community to vote is proven where?

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
So keeping them in poverty, for example, is cool as long as they can vote?   And your claim that Republicans don't want the black community to vote is proven where?
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you aren't even trying now.

Now your narrative is that "being able to vote" doesnt help anyone.  :lol:

You are flatly scared to actually answer the question with any honesty.   oof

 
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BigSteelThrill said:
you aren't even trying now.

Now your narrative is that "being able to vote" doesnt help anyone.  :lol:

You are flatly scared to actually answer the question with any honesty.   oof
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Wait, what?  You made a claim that R's don't want black community to vote.  That's total and pure nonsense that's not worth responding to but I asked for some proof anyway.   You also have said the only thing the D's do for the black community is allow them to vote.  These are your words not mine.  Again, I've never claimed the R policies would be better than the D policies like you keep wanting me to claim.  I just said the D policies don't work because people like HRC are only interested in their vote; not actually helping them.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Give me some straight facts of what the D's have actually done in the numerous inner cities that house many from the black community that they control to make those communities better.  Baltimore, Detroit, South Chicago, etc... are still the same ####holes they've been for decades.
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isn't this by and large because good jobs were outsourced overseas so that corporations could pay pennies per hour to have cars built, etc.? 

and white people fleeing the cities when immigrants and southern blacks appeared?

the R idea is that if we could just remove any and all regulation on business practices, roll back labor laws/power and reduce wages across the board we could restore America to greatness..

i mean, it goes much deeper than that but that's a really sizable reason. 

 
what it all boils down to me is the idea that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

people who lean left believe that all people should be treated equally, supported and assisted to make the whole stronger.

people who lean right tend to believe god will sort it out but favor falls on "certain" people and everyone who isn't in favor deserves whatever fate befalls them. 

i believe in lending a helping hand, making sure my friends and family can eat and are well. 

right leaning people tend to believe it's every man for himself and #### you if you can't make it.. it's your fault anyhow.

we see it in the policies that are the central tenet of each "party" platform. it's pretty clear that R's don't practice what they literally preach.

 
mr. furley said:
isn't this by and large because good jobs were outsourced overseas so that corporations could pay pennies per hour to have cars built, etc.? 

and white people fleeing the cities when immigrants and southern blacks appeared?

the R idea is that if we could just remove any and all regulation on business practices, roll back labor laws/power and reduce wages across the board we could restore America to greatness..

i mean, it goes much deeper than that but that's a really sizable reason. 
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So that's why the R policies would not work, in your opinion, but what have the D's actually done to help those communities?

 
The most recent Sam Harris podcast is well worth a listen, IMO. The guest is Andrew Sullivan. They spend half the podcast talking about how horrible Hillary Clinton is as a presidential candidate -- with concrete examples from reality, not from unsupported conspiracy theories. She is selfish, corrupt, greedy, manipulative, spiteful, condescending, opportunistic, power-hungry, calculating, deceitful ... and those are her good points.

They spend the other half of the podcast explaining why they will enthusiastically vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump because she's the superior candidate in pretty much every way, and it's not close.

https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/the-lesser-evil

 
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Ramblin Wreck said:
So that's why the R policies would not work, in your opinion, but what have the D's actually done to help those communities?
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Tried to expand Medicaid.  Tried to make sure that families have food . Tried to ensure that inner city schools have funding .  Tried to give free breakfast and lunch to all students. 

It's not the Democrats that are voting against these things .  

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
The most recent Sam Harris podcast is well worth a listen, IMO. The guest is Andrew Sullivan. They spend half the podcast talking about how horrible Hillary Clinton is as a presidential candidate -- with concrete examples from reality, not from unsupported conspiracy theories. She is selfish, corrupt, greedy, manipulative, spiteful, condescending, power-hungry, calculating ... and those are her good points.

They spend the other half of the podcast explaining why they will enthusiastically vote for Hillary Clinton over Trump because she's far superior to him in pretty much every way, and it's not close.

https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/the-lesser-evil
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we have b.i.n.g.o.

 
mr. furley said:
what it all boils down to me is the idea that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
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That exactly not how the conservative R's think. Particularly the social conservative Rs.

They want to go to bed at night thinking they are better then some huge segments of the world. That makes 'em happy.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
That exactly not how the conservative R's think. Particularly the social conservative Rs.

They want to go to bed at night thinking they are better then some huge segments of the world. That makes 'em happy.
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Yep.  "I got mine,  screw you. "

Or,  more cordially ,  " I got mine ,  now I want to change the rules to ensure that you don't get yours and I will continue to get more. "

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
So that's why the R policies would not work, in your opinion, but what have the D's actually done to help those communities?
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I take it you don't actually live in a city with "those communities". If you did you would know the ongoing efforts to fight crime, gang violence, and provide economic opportunities to the impoverished. I can only imagine you have no experience in this area and you are just aping the Trump rhetoric that "those communities" are war zones and more dangerous than war torn countries in the Middle East. You probably also don't realize how offensive your viewpoint is to people that live in "those communities". This is probably why you also are oblivious as to why people from "those communities" don't vote for Republicans.

 
MikeIke said:
Yeah,  I know . You're a useless troll,  just like all the other trumpettes . 
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You support the party of tolerance and inclusion yet everytime someone disagrees with you out come the trolls and trumpettes line.  So many hypocrites on your side.

Oh, and I know Squis can only read 140 characters but damn dude how many freaking times do I have to say I am not on Trump's side nor did I once claim tonight that R policy could fix the issues being discussed?  All I've claimed is the D policies aren't doing much good either.   But keep on attacking personally because you can't read or comprehend things and fly off the handle.  Nice work.

 
TheMagus said:
I take it you don't actually live in a city with "those communities". If you did you would know the ongoing efforts to fight crime, gang violence, and provide economic opportunities to the impoverished. I can only imagine you have no experience in this area and you are just aping the Trump rhetoric that "those communities" are war zones and more dangerous than war torn countries in the Middle East. You probably also don't realize how offensive your viewpoint is to people that live in "those communities". This is probably why you also are oblivious as to why people from "those communities" don't vote for Republicans.
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My viewpoint is offensive?  My viewpoint is these communities have the same problems and issues they have had for decades.  These D run communities aren't better.  Crime, gangs, and the economy aren't better in these communities.

 
Rambling Wreck, your criticism of Democratic control over the inner cities is, IMO, absolutely valid. The problem is that the modern day Republican, and particularly Mr. Trump, offer no alternative.

Now 20 years ago they did. Jack Kemp pushed for empowerment zones- basically tax write-offs for businesses that chose to operate in the inner city. It was a bold idea based on a free enterprise approach, but it was never seriously adopted, never given a chance to work. And ever since then Republicans have done nothing but criticize Democrats on this issue while at the same time trying to repress voting in black areas.

 
timschochet said:
Rambling Wreck, your criticism of Democratic control over the inner cities is, IMO, absolutely valid. The problem is that the modern day Republican, and particularly Mr. Trump, offer no alternative.

Now 20 years ago they did. Jack Kemp pushed for empowerment zones- basically tax write-offs for businesses that chose to operate in the inner city. It was a bold idea based on a free enterprise approach, but it was never seriously adopted, never given a chance to work. And ever since then Republicans have done nothing but criticize Democrats on this issue while at the same time trying to repress voting in black areas.
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At the local level there are a plethora of tax incentives for urban development. That's what we are talking about. The federal government has little to no control over the day to day operations in a city. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
So that's why the R policies would not work, in your opinion, but what have the D's actually done to help those communities?
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Hey RW,

If you are sincere about this, maybe you should list the ideas the Democrat party supports and your critiques of them.  Are you anti-food stamp?  Social Security?  EITC?  HUD programs?  Then maybe you could list what the Republican ideas are that would be better.  I understand you might say "just get rid of them", and I guess that might be an idea to some but just being anti-whatever is spurious at best.  There are plenty of people that just think you are trolling or whatever, but I think you have a good shot at sharing your ideas here.  I look forward to your thoughts.

 
cosjobs said:
Wonder if it has anything to do with their policies?
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Abraham Lincoln to a group of Young Republicans circa 1863:  "Look, fellas.  We are the political party that freed the slaves.  Not only have we done the morally right thing in the name of justice, but we've locked up the black voters for eternity!  There is literally no way we can screw this up." 

 
Dedfin said:
Hey RW,

If you are sincere about this, maybe you should list the ideas the Democrat party supports and your critiques of them.  Are you anti-food stamp?  Social Security?  EITC?  HUD programs?  Then maybe you could list what the Republican ideas are that would be better.  I understand you might say "just get rid of them", and I guess that might be an idea to some but just being anti-whatever is spurious at best.  There are plenty of people that just think you are trolling or whatever, but I think you have a good shot at sharing your ideas here.  I look forward to your thoughts.
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Why would I list R ideas that would be better when I've clearly said multiple times last night I don't know if they would work any better.  All I said is I know there are many cities that are controlled by D that have done next to nothing to help the Black Community because many of those communities are the same ####holes they've been for decades.

I'm just stating a fact (or what I view as fact) about those cities and their governments and asking what I'm missing here.  I was hoping for a chance to be educated about what I'm missing but as usual, the loonies here instantly launch into troll attacks mostly because they are incapable of answering the question.  I would be glad to answer your question if I had an answer. But I never claimed to have an answer nor am I sure why you, or others, keep trying to attribute political sides to me that aren't there.  

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Why would I list R ideas that would be better when I've clearly said multiple times last night I don't know if they would work any better.  All I said is I know there are many cities that are controlled by D that have done next to nothing to help the Black Community because many of those communities are the same ####holes they've been for decades.

I'm just stating a fact (or what I view as fact) about those cities and their governments and asking what I'm missing here.  I was hoping for a chance to be educated about what I'm missing but as usual, the loonies here instantly launch into troll attacks mostly because they are incapable of answering the question.  I would be glad to answer your question if I had an answer. But I never claimed to have an answer nor am I sure why you, or others, keep trying to attribute political sides to me that aren't there.  
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OK, forget about the Republican ideas.  I'm not trying to argue with you here, I'm trying to understand your points better.  Could you just list the Democrat ideas you think are failing specifically?  Or are you just looking at the final performance of a city and say "yeah, it's not doing good, so all the ideas here are failing"?  Do you think there is a chance that without them, our poverty/crime/other quality of life rates would be worse?  Why/why not?

 
Dedfin said:
OK, forget about the Republican ideas.  I'm not trying to argue with you here, I'm trying to understand your points better.  Could you just list the Democrat ideas you think are failing specifically?  Or are you just looking at the final performance of a city and say "yeah, it's not doing good, so all the ideas here are failing"?  Do you think there is a chance that without them, our poverty/crime/other quality of life rates would be worse?  Why/why not?
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I'm not even sure what metric he is looking at when he says "the same ####holes they've always been." Statistically crime is down in all the large cities from where it was several decades ago. I'm assuming Chicago is one of the ####holes (the Rs seem to love to rag on Chicago ), and even though there is still way too much violence there, there are almost half the number of murders there per year than there were in the early 90s. You'll see similar statistics for pretty much all the major cities in the country. There may be an outlier or two. But I don't know if we are talking about crime.

If we are talking about poverty levels, I don't feel like looking it up, but if I did I'm sure I would find they have been decreasing as well. 

Maybe he's just talking about litter and the cities being dirty in general. If he is I can point to various programs I am personally aware of that help make them cleaner.

But given that he's just making blanket statements and using subjective terms with no specifics, it's pretty hard to have a conversation about it. And I'll stand by the fact that declaring someone's home city a "####hole" is pretty offensive. I certainly wouldn't want to vote for someone telling me I lived in a ####hole that they needed to fix for me, while simultaneously knowing virtually nothing about it.  :shrug:

 
Trump has no shot, but polls are breaking in his favor this past week.  Maybe he rallies into election day from here.  

If you wanted to entertain the idea that Trump wins it at the very end, you might as well just watch New Hampshire and Pennsylvania.  Because you'd have to assume Trump sweeps FL, AZ, NV, NC, and OH.  All of that still wouldn't be enough.  Colorado is a lost cause for Trump.  He'd need either NH or PA.  But he's never led a poll in either state.  So you'd be watching to see if he can take a lead even once.

 
Dedfin said:
Do you think there is a chance that without them, our poverty/crime/other quality of life rates would be worse?  Why/why not?
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I don't think this argument ever works.  In fact, its abundantly clear that voters are actually more willing to vote for an unknown outsider over a known quantity that isn't working out.  See:  Carter over Ford, Reagan over Carter, Clinton over Bush, Bush over Gore.  Obama was a huge unknown outsider and won big.

 
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