Official Donald Trump for President thread (4 Viewers)

[Hooper31]

Will be very close to where I live this Saturday (Lynden, WA). It borders the school district where I teach. Interesting choice of towns to target. 

Lynden has so many churches it borders on ridiculous. They claim they once held the world record for the ratio of churches to population (about 13,000). Making it weirder, there's not a single bar in the city limits. Yes, they still have a no dancing law on the books. Actually, its just a no dancing is allowed in the same place where there's any alcohol. To their credit, the law they had against selling alcohol on Sundays was repealed about 10 years ago.

Pandering to the bible crowd. Good move or no? I'm thinking a waste. He's already got that vote. Well, that is if they choose to show up at the polls. 

 

[Rick James]

No problema amigo!

http://www.pewhispanic.org/fact-sheets/2016-state-election-fact-sheets/latinos-in-the-2016-election-california/

• California’s population is 39% Hispanic, the second highest Hispanic statewide population share nationally.
  
• There are 6.9 million Hispanic eligible voters in California—the largest Hispanic statewide eligible voter population nationally. Texas ranks second with 4.8 million.
  
• Some 28% of California eligible voters are Hispanic, the third largest Hispanic statewide eligible voter share nationally. New Mexico ranks first with 40%.
  
• Some 46% of Hispanics in California are eligible to vote, ranking California 24th nationwide in the share of the Hispanic population that is eligible to vote. By contrast, 81% of the state’s white population is eligible to vote.
  

I'm sure the Reds were banking on California going their way in the big election.

 

[Slapdash]

.... Like what issue specifically will Trump oppose Ryan on, I mean which you agree with Trump on and oppose Ryan? Aside from immigration?

I can see why you wouldn't want to have a GOP presidential candidate follow a GOP Congressional agenda, I mean they have been really unpopular recently.

IIRC, Trump has always been very pro-SS and Medicare.  Ryan very much against him

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

IIRC, Trump has always been very pro-SS and Medicare.  Ryan very much against him

Thanks actual information.

Trump is against raising the SS age and taxing benefits? Did not know that.

What is Trump's stance on Medicare? - ETA - I take it he's against cutting it if Ryan is for curtain it.

 

[Slapdash]

Thanks actual information.

Trump is against raising the SS age and taxing benefits? Did not know that.

What is Trump's stance on Medicare?

Of course, there are little/no specifics for what he plans to do.  But this quote seems to encapsulate his views: 

" Social Security faces a problem: 77 million baby boomers set to retire. Now I know there are some Republicans who would be just fine with allowing these programs to wither and die on the vine. The way they see it, Social Security and Medicare are wasteful "entitlement programs." But people who think this way need to rethink their position. It's not unreasonable for people who paid into a system for decades to expect to get their money's worth--that's not an "entitlement," that's honoring a deal. We as a society must also make an ironclad commitment to providing a safety net for those who can't make one for themselves."

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Of course, there are little/no specifics for what he plans to do.  But this quote seems to encapsulate his views: 

" Social Security faces a problem: 77 million baby boomers set to retire. Now I know there are some Republicans who would be just fine with allowing these programs to wither and die on the vine. The way they see it, Social Security and Medicare are wasteful "entitlement programs." But people who think this way need to rethink their position. It's not unreasonable for people who paid into a system for decades to expect to get their money's worth--that's not an "entitlement," that's honoring a deal. We as a society must also make an ironclad commitment to providing a safety net for those who can't make one for themselves."

I happen to agree with that sentiment, thanks for the info.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Bill Kristol discusses a draft movement for a possible 3rd party run by a gopper as being underway.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jvW4EaDmMZs&ebc=ANyPxKrTyT5thEKFfiHYkzHsQQC-48ZypBu0vteYWqmlC1Y-RY6i6ALiBRLhm4XuexuQAReQgg_xu9ZnzGfiAoRlOieIBSycUA

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

I happen to agree with that sentiment, thanks for the info.

I think we will look back at this being the start of you coming around on The Donald

 

[flapgreen]

Newt has to be vp.  Right? 

 

[Slapdash]

Newt has to be vp.  Right? 

Has to be.  Can't wait to hear about how many billions the government is going to save with Six Sigma.  Get Christie in as Attorney General.  Bring back Herman Cain to be Treasury secretary.  Fun times.

 

[elbowrm]

This article is a week old, but relevant nonetheless...

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/04/here-comes-ted-cruzs-third-party-candidacy

 

[bagger]

I never said it was segregated by race. But there is social media devoted to certain ethnic groups. For example, Black Twitter:
 

And there is a distinct Latino/Hispanic social media:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jose-aristimuno/when-it-comes-to-social-m_b_2832257.html

When It Comes to Social Media, Latinos Can’t Be Ignored

When discussing the power of social media and how it can be used to impact communities in positive ways, Latinos simply cannot be ignored.
Latinos, who have been recorded as the group with the highest rate of early adopters are continuously embracing technology faster than any other demographic in the United States.
According to a report by Pew Internet and American Life Project, 18 percent of Latinos online are Twitter users, a greater percentage than their counterparts in every other category.
On Facebook, Latinos are also using the social media platform at a higher rate than their counterparts, with 54.2 percent of Latinos online regularly using Facebook, just above non-Latino blacks at 47.7 percent and non-Latino whites at 43 percent, according to marketing company Big Research.
Successful organizations such as United We Dream and Latism have been able to implement positive change within their communities because they not only understand Latinos, they also know how to successfully engage them. To give you an idea of their reach, United We Dream has 4,911 Twitter followers and over 13,000 “Likes” on Facebook, and Latism has over 23,000 Twitter followers and over 150,000 “Likes” on Facebook.

Yeah this isn't a real thing.

 

[joffer]

Of course, there are little/no specifics for what he plans to do.  But this quote seems to encapsulate his views: 

" Social Security faces a problem: 77 million baby boomers set to retire. Now I know there are some Republicans who would be just fine with allowing these programs to wither and die on the vine. The way they see it, Social Security and Medicare are wasteful "entitlement programs." But people who think this way need to rethink their position. It's not unreasonable for people who paid into a system for decades to expect to get their money's worth--that's not an "entitlement," that's honoring a deal. We as a society must also make an ironclad commitment to providing a safety net for those who can't make one for themselves."

holy crap.  that's almost coherent.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

This article is a week old, but relevant nonetheless...

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/04/here-comes-ted-cruzs-third-party-candidacy

Interesting and it does make a lot of sense.

 

[bagger]

holy crap.  that's almost coherent.

There must have been some follow up caveat that in order to get the benefits Gertrude and Matilda need to face off in a gladiators ring and fight to the death to get them.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

It's obviously the "I love Hispanics" part of the post that makes it borderline racist, pandering, and tone deaf.  

 

[TobiasFunke]

holy crap.  that's almost coherent.

That's because it's five years old and was taken from a book (i.e. reviewed by editors and probably written by someone else).

Here's a quote from him on the campaign trail this year, with the incoherence we know and love:

I'm going to save Social Security. You have tremendous waste, fraud and abuse. We have in Social Security thousands of people over 106 years old. You know they don't exist. There's tremendous waste, fraud and abuse, and we're going to get it. But we're not going to hurt the people who have been paying into Social Security their whole life and then all of a sudden they're supposed to get less. We're bringing jobs back.

 

[joffer]

That's because it's five years old and was taken from a book (i.e. reviewed by editors and probably written by someone else).

Here's a quote from him on the campaign trail this year, with the incoherence we know and love:

 

[Coeur de Lion]

 

[LittlePhatty]

The GOP is going to punt on 3rd down and refuse to go back onto the field unless the QB is replaced.

 

[flapgreen]

It's obviously the "I love Hispanics" part of the post that makes it borderline racist, pandering, and tone deaf.  

OK crazy guy 

 

[TripItUp]

I think Trump easily brushes the party elders aside.   He's a media star, and they're a bunch of has beens.  This will only acerbate the situation.

Correct

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

But we're not going to hurt the people who have been paying into Social Security their whole life and then all of a sudden they're supposed to get less.

To be fair, I'm going to agree it's obviously less coherent but the promised policy is actually the same, and no less 5 years later and frankly I would not have expected that, or even that Donald had a policy 5 years ago.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This article is a week old, but relevant nonetheless...

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/04/here-comes-ted-cruzs-third-party-candidacy

Well that would at least make picking a VP when on the precipice of losing somewhat sensible.

 

[massraider]

http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/trump-at-war/

So worth the read.  Some selections:

At times, his remarks on veterans and military service have veered into outright mockery. In a 1997 interview with Howard Stern, Trump likened his determination to avoid sexually transmitted infections to serving in combat. His sex life in the 1980s was “my personal Vietnam,” he said. “I feel like a great and very brave soldier.” Last summer, he declared that Senator John McCain—a former Navy pilot who was held prisoner for five and a half years and tortured by the North Vietnamese—was “not a war hero.” His reasoning: “I like people that weren’t captured.”

This perfunctory effort was perhaps to be expected, since Trump has a long and colorful history of showing disrespect toward men and women in uniform. He did not serve himself, avoiding the Vietnam War via four education deferments, followed by a medical deferment for bone spurs in his feet.

Does anyone know if the bone spurs have healed??  Are they still a problem?  Is he going to be OK?  

Meanwhile, when Trump has weighed in on national security questions, his remarks often reveal either ignorance or disdain for military expertise and the codes of conduct that govern the armed forces. “I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me,” he boasted in one speech, adding, "I’ve had a lot of wars of my own. I’m really good at war." 

Trump’s chosen foreign policy advisers—which include a 2009 college graduate who touted his experience in the Model U.N. on his online résumé and another who used Kanye West lyrics to make arguments on his foreign policy blog—have only stoked these anxieties. “Weirdo nobodies,” was how one military historian characterized them to me. “They’re probably the least qualified group of foreign policy and national security advisers I’ve ever seen or even heard of,” said Richard Kohn, an expert in civil-military relations and retired professor at the University of North Carolina. 

 

[joffer]

Is Alzheimer's a possibility?  hard to believe he went from a somewhat intelligent guy a few years ago to this babbling fool so fast.

 

[Two Deep]

Is Alzheimer's a possibility?  hard to believe he went from a somewhat intelligent guy a few years ago to this babbling fool so fast.

Mr. President babbling fool.. to you...

 

[bagger]

Is Alzheimer's a possibility?  hard to believe he went from a somewhat intelligent guy a few years ago to this babbling fool so fast.

Actually you do have to wonder if some mental illness is at work here.

 

[Joe Summer]

"I'm really good at war"

 

[TobiasFunke]

Actually you do have to wonder if some mental illness is at work here.

Yup.

The Mayo Clinic website, on Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
 

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and disappointed when you're not given the special favors or admiration you believe you deserve. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling.

...

If you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may feel a sense of entitlement — and when you don't receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — for instance, the best car, athletic club or medical care.

At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior. Or you may feel depressed and moody because you fall short of perfection.

Many experts use the criteria in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), published by the American Psychiatric Association, to diagnose mental conditions. This manual is also used by insurance companies to reimburse for treatment.

DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include these features:

• Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
  
• Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
  
• Exaggerating your achievements and talents
  
• Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
  
• Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
  
• Requiring constant admiration
  
• Having a sense of entitlement
  
• Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
  
• Taking advantage of others to get what you want
  
• Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
  
• Being envious of others and believing others envy you
  
• Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner
  

Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal and value yourself more than you value others.

Sound familiar?

 

[elbowrm]

It's not him who has changed - it's us - this is a presidential campaign in 140 character increments.

 

[Bucky86]

Yup.

The Mayo Clinic website, on Narcissistic Personality Disorder:
 

Sound familiar?

Now do Trumpkins!!

 

[TobiasFunke]

Now do Trumpkins!!

Sure.

"There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase most likely spoken by David Hannum, in criticism of both P. T. Barnum, an American showman of the mid 1800s, and his customers. The phrase is often credited to Barnum himself. It means "Many people are gullible, and we can expect this to continue."

 

[TobiasFunke]

For the life of me I don't know why Trump opponents haven't rolled out that Narcissistic Personality Disorder stuff yet.  Not only does it pretty strongly suggest that a frontrunner for president of the United States is mentally ill, it would also neuter him somewhat because the narrative about his juvenile boasts and insults would change. Instead of being amusing sound bites employed by a master manipulator to get media attention, each one would become evidence of mental illness.

Maybe the Clinton folks are saving it in their back pocket or something.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Practically Obama's entire MO

From Urban Dictionary:

 

I know you are, but what am I?
 
It's quite simply the most ******** comeback someone makes when they've completely lost the argument. This statement signifies that the argument has gone to a completely immature level.
 
...
 
An amateur insult comeback. It is often regarded as one of the worst possible insult comebacks, being criticized for its lack of creativity, low versatility, and manipulation of English grammar in the word "you."

The comeback was popularized by a scene from the 1985 film 'Pee-Wee's Big Adventure,' in which Pee-Wee Herman repeatedly says the comeback after being told a string of insults by someone else.

 

 

[Sammy3469]

For the life of me I don't know why Trump opponents haven't rolled out that Narcissistic Personality Disorder stuff yet.  Not only does it pretty strongly suggest that a frontrunner for president of the United States is mentally ill, it would also neuter him somewhat because the narrative about his juvenile boasts and insults would change. Instead of being amusing sound bites employed by a master manipulator to get media attention, each one would become evidence of mental illness.

Maybe the Clinton folks are saving it in their back pocket or something.

The Obama guys that do the Ringer 1600 political podcast seem to think portraying him this way is going to be front and center.  Hillary won't be the one attacking, but everyone of her surrogates will portray him as unfit for the presidency. 

 

[TobiasFunke]

The Obama guys that do the Ringer 1600 political podcast seem to think portraying him this way is going to be front and center.  Hillary won't be the one attacking, but everyone of her surrogates will portray him as unfit for the presidency. 

Yeah that's my thinking too, but they shouldn't be generic with the "unfit" stuff, they should focus on this specific diagnosis.  You don't need Clinton or even her close circle bringing it up.  You just disseminate it to supporters and whatnot and let them take it to social media. The description and list of symptoms is an incredible match; hard to imagine it not making the rounds on Facebook.  And once it becomes viral you have media types bringing it up and it goes from there. if they execute it well it's pretty much foolproof.  If they screw it up (like yesterday's moronic "Dangerous Donald" trial balloon), not so much.

 

[lod01]

Romney will not back Trump, won't support him, vote for him, endorse him or go to the convention.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/mitt-romney-donald-trump-222881

When is the last time this happened where the last nominee didn't support the current one, 1912?

Great news. The Bush clan is staying away as well. We don't want these low energy losers infecting the building.

 

[dutch]

Great news. The Bush clan is staying away as well. We don't want these low energy losers infecting the building.

But do you(Trump and the Trumpkins) want/need their low energy loser votes come November?

 

[dutch]

Guess we'll watch and see if Angry White Guy vote is enough to win a Presidential election.  Been hearing how the majority was turning minority for a few years so this is a good snapshot election, imo.

 

[lod01]

But do you(Trump and the Trumpkins) want/need their low energy loser votes come November?

That's what is great about clowns like the Bush's and Romney. They will sneak into the voting booth in November and vote for the R candidate even after saying they won't.

 

[dutch]

That's what is great about clowns like the Bush's and Romney. They will sneak into the voting booth in November and vote for the R candidate even after saying they won't.

Okay.  Glad you are so  confident but I'm slightly more optimistic that Trump is going to get smoked.  I'm really hopeful he brings down the whole congressional ship with him so I do have that to look forward too.

 

[lod01]

Okay.  Glad you are so  confident but I'm slightly more optimistic that Trump is going to get smoked.  I'm really hopeful he brings down the whole congressional ship with him so I do have that to look forward too.

I'm with you on that. If he can successfully splinter the Rs permanently and we get 3 parties, I will consider it a victory. I'd like to see the same thing with the Ds.  And yeah, He's probably going to get smoked bad.

 

[cstu]

Great news. The Bush clan is staying away as well. We don't want these low energy losers infecting the building.

McCain is afraid of losing re-election because of Trump:

“If Donald Trump is at the top of the ticket, here in Arizona, with over 30 percent of the vote being the Hispanic vote, no doubt that this may be the race of my life,” McCain said, according to a recording of the event obtained by POLITICO. “If you listen or watch Hispanic media in the state and in the country, you will see that it is all anti-Trump. The Hispanic community is roused and angry in a way that I've never seen in 30 years.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-latinos-mccain-222810#ixzz47tV2sP4u
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

 

[cstu]

From Urban Dictionary:

 
 

It was the "you mad, bro?" of the 80's.

 

[cstu]

Practically Obama's entire MO

How on earth does this sound anything like Obama?

But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

The guy has been criticized non-stop since he entered national politics and has handled it with class and a sense of humor.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

How on earth does this sound anything like Obama?

The guy has been criticized non-stop since he entered national politics and has handled it with class and a sense of humor.

Obama has his faults, but being thin skinned doesn't appear to be one of them. Maybe as his presidency continues this flaw will gradually appear. Oh wait, he's only got 6 more months in office? Guess not.

Point on Obama: if he was vulnerable, we'd be hearing anti-Obama attacks all day long. I find the general absence of these attacks to be telling.

 

[apalmer]

I have to say that I'm stunned the Trumpeters haven't been screaming about the script from last night's "Scandal" episode. I was sure it would instantly become an issue.

 

[elbowrm]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.  What a complete ####### idiot:

One day after assuring Americans he is not running for president “to make things unstable for the country,” the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald J. Trump, said in a television interview Thursday that he might seek to reduce the national debt by persuading creditors to accept something less than full payment.

Asked whether the United States needed to pay its debts in full, or whether he could negotiate a partial repayment, Mr. Trump told the cable network CNBC, “I would borrow, knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal.”

He added, “And if the economy was good, it was good. So, therefore, you can’t lose.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/07/us/politics/donald-trumps-idea-to-cut-national-debt-get-creditors-to-accept-less.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

 

[TobiasFunke]

How on earth does this sound anything like Obama?

The guy has been criticized non-stop since he entered national politics and has handled it with class and a sense of humor.

In Walking Boot's defense, when someone presents irrefutable evidence that your hero is mentally ill there's really not a whole lot you can say in response. Deflection is about the best you can hope for.  Notice none of the other Trumpkins has even bothered to challenge it.